The plan is to rework the turret colours before we finish the V3 project for all ships.

I just took a look at the Crow and yes we'll get those boosters fixed.

V3? I like!

Logos on ships are awesome!
Incursus
Enyo
Ishkur

So why were the Tech 2 models changed to Tech 1?

Or is this related to the same bug?

Stations and stargates will be V3'd aswell?

And what about rogue drone rats?

This is part of the same issue, we just couldnt get around to fixing it for this Sisi update. I have just finished going over all of the ships with one of the senior artists and all ships should have the correct skins and tech variant for the next Sisi update.

V3 killed the happytar :( no more smily face on the ishtar, makes me sad :(

uhhh but now it looks like a death machine from hell out for blood

If we are pointing out wrong textures, what you did to the navy comet is unspeakable.

The old police-car texture was well known and loved, and now we get another space camo texture :-(

while youre at it, can u please get rid of space camo on the Lachesis and Deimos? navy mega and domi? nobody, and i mean nobody, wants it. or at least give some sign that we'll be able to customize the skins in the near future.

If we are pointing out wrong textures, what you did to the navy comet is unspeakable.

The old police-car texture was well known and loved, and now we get another space camo texture :-(

+1 to this. The loss of the flashy blue light on the comet will be the new 'engine trails/old cyno' bittervet rant if you remove it, i have forseen it

bring it back please

Gosh, you people are so damn whiney. Can't you just be happy for once?

Waaaaaah I hate space camo!
Waaaaaah bring back my police car!
Waaaaaah!

+1 as well. I understand the "Navy" ship logic with the paintjob and all, but the loss of the blinky blue light... nope...

Now if you had a separate "Police" issue Comet, OK fine... but if it will only be the Navy Comet... at least keep the blinky blue :(

They asked for feedback, we're giving it.

+1 to this. The loss of the flashy blue light on the comet will be the new 'engine trails/old cyno' bittervet rant if you remove it, i have forseen it

bring it back please

Gosh, you people are so damn whiney. Can't you just be happy for once?

Waaaaaah I hate space camo!
Waaaaaah bring back my police car!
Waaaaaah!

Occator also has the wrong skin

the "duvolle labs" written on the side of the astarte or the kronos? it's jsut gross. nobody cares, and it just looks ugly.

also, now that I look at it, the shiny, reflective gold on the new DL gal ships looks way worse than the old gold. Mute it a bit maybe? and then maybe the decals wouldn't clash so horribly.

Noooooooooooooooo. I like the decals, and I love the new gold. Get the Duvolle colours on the Deimos, stat.

Hell, put them on everything. I could look at that blue and gold all day.

you seriously like having "duvolle labs" written on the side of your ship? A DL could look cool. But you really think that, for example, what is happening on the front of the viator looks cool? a whole bunch of the gallente ships have branding on like 6 separate locations. look at the new eris. it must say "roden shipyards" on that thing in five goddamn different places.

Welcome to the Federation, where advertisement and media are king!

Seriously though, even though there are those of you who hate the color schemes, there are a lot of us who love it. The Art director is on our side, thankfully.

I think it would be a tremendous waste of resources to have to go back and undo all the changes they've made. That time could be better spent on game mechanics, rather than pandering to the whims of an unsatisfiable minority.

If the art director didn't make so many dumbass decisions, we wouldn't be so unsatisfiable. I feel like we're back to trying to babysit CCP again.

you seriously like having "duvolle labs" written on the side of your ship?

A DL could look cool. But you really think that, for example, what is happening on the front of the viator looks cool?

a whole bunch of the gallente ships have branding on like 6 separate locations. look at the new eris. it must say "roden shipyards" on that thing in five goddamn different places.

If the art director didn't make so many dumbass decisions, we wouldn't be so unsatisfiable. I feel like we're back to trying to babysit CCP again.

in addition to what mkint said, @katrina: stop being some ****** fanboy who jsut tries to find an argument against all complaints, just cause you can. I have been paying sub happily for over three goddamn years, but that doesn't mean that everything they do is perfect. "where advertisment and media are king" oh go suck a ****.

frankly, it's a pathetic excuse to say "let's ignore mistakes that are still only on TEST SERVER and let them hit live server" and then try to excuse the mistakes later with crappy logic. *****, if they didn't make mistakes then we wouldn't be in this position. and then every time they drop the ball we forgive them and let them stick us with things we don't like for like 3-5 ******* years because you just want them to keep moving onto more half-backed content? Go Diaf.

nah bro i just love flaming. it's ******* great. that's not to say that you aren't ******* annoying/stupid, just saying that flaming/trolling is excellent fun.

also, i know it's already too late for a change... i guess i could learn to live with it... particularly because when they add decal customization those will be where the customs ones go and so we actually probs WON'T have to get stick with the adds for forever. I don't remember where they said that part of getting everything onto V3 was so that they could add decal functionality.

Alright fine, you're too addictive to quit. I'll reply again!

Yes, you're correct. That's where you'll be able to add corp logos, maybe alliance logos (doubtful) later. This whole V3 project should allow us to reskin any ship we want to something different, I think. I'm not entirely sure how they will work it, but I bet everything except T2 ships can get reskins, maybe even custom colors.

the maelstrom still "features" the light cone glitch with one of the light cones of the bigger windows in the middle and the big thruster is still "unused".
most of the minmatar t1 ships do not seem v3'ed at all.
i like the new pirate themes though :D

this patch is V3 for all gallente and caldari ships, an no minmatar or amarr ships. thank god tbh, i won't have to look at gaudy logos on my fav ships :P

although i flew a minnie shuttle earlier tonight and it seemed V3'd

I haven't tested the Occator out yet, but the Viator is invisible on my computer and I can't zoom in to it while in space or in station.
System info upon request. Other than that,


SWEET JESUS I LIKE MOST OF THE GALLENTE SHIP SKINS


Especially the Ishtar and Proteus. Both are subtly, but significantly improved, and look a bit less campy and a bit more dangerous.

I haven't tested the Occator out yet, but the Viator is invisible on my computer and I can't zoom in to it while in space or in station.
System info upon request. Other than that,


SWEET JESUS I LIKE MOST OF THE GALLENTE SHIP SKINS


Especially the Ishtar and Proteus. Both are subtly, but significantly improved, and look a bit less campy and a bit more dangerous.

It is the strangest thing but now that they are nicely textured I actually like most of the Caldari ships. I don't mind the logos on the Tier 2 ships though I should say I don't fly any of them in game. If it was a case of my favorite ship suddenly getting a big logo on it I might feel differently.

I am a bit concerned about what they might do to Amarr ships which is what I mostly fly. Just looking over most of the Gallente and Caldari sub caps it just seems as if they have finally been brought to Amarr level of quality. I hope they don't mess up Amarr ships (ie change them too much).

Just looking at the camouflaged ships in the ship viewer (since I don't own any of them) I am surprised to say that now that the quality is better the camo doesn't look so bad. Though I still hope that we will have the option to change that skin out eventually. Not a fan of the camo on the Gallente Navy Comet though. And the Hookbill looks horrible (and was formerly one of my favorite ships). It actually looks like that is a bugged texture because the Caldari Camo on the Vulture Command ship is really nice looking now.

My one (BIG) concern is that dark parts of space (systems with Nebulae far off in the distance) are a bit too dark. I don't the sky being black but a lot of the ships were basically invisible. Not sure if it is just my sucky system or if anyone else feels the same.

Please just don't give ships camouflage paintjobs. Just stop it. There is absolutely no reason for it and it looks awful.

CCP, was wondering if this means that none of the ships with new skins are getting redesigned in the near future?

I know that there is a new (same) Raven model in the works. However, I am holding out hope that just because the V3 textures have been applied that there is still a chance that ships like the Moa and Imicus will be redesigned. Obviously not expecting any other new hulls (aside from the new BCs) for winter, but please tell me that there is some hope for a new Imicus/helios hull.

Eh, I am abivalent. I like decals in general; they add detail and verisimilitude.

WTF

Look at the Phobos! They gave her a modified Thorax model. one word:

AWESOME !!!


http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=2011.11.04.22.03.5303ufd.jpg
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=2011.11.04.22.03.387du2d.jpg
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=2011.11.04.22.03.299vusf.jpg
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=2011.11.04.22.03.24wgu0f.jpg

Also the Whole Gallente race looks now much more darker and creepier! Especialy CreoDron. Look like Black Assasin Ships now Oo

i love it!

you seriously like having "duvolle labs" written on the side of your ship? A DL could look cool. But you really think that, for example, what is happening on the front of the viator looks cool? a whole bunch of the gallente ships have branding on like 6 separate locations. look at the new eris. it must say "roden shipyards" on that thing in five goddamn different places.

It has a blinky green light!

Are the Lai Dai Caldari ships supposed to have the Guristas logo? The manticore at least has the proper Lai Dai logo even if its upside down.

Looks like "Lachesis" now have federation navy texture.

Also new phobos is AWESOME!!

OK so here is a comparison shot of V2 and V3 ships undocking from the same station. It becomes clear that Nebulae and environment dont seem to influence the ship's V3 texture with reflections as much as it used to with V2. Both redeemer and moros pick a wild red color when the kronos and sin stay almost exactly the same as inside the station. Is this a bug? or inteded?

IT also shows that the new shadows and the new texture quality are awesome (especially when comparing the sin to the moros)

Flickr Link to comparison shot

great comparison shots but id like to suggest you put a V2 and V3 shot of the same ship next to each other to really see the difference.

great comparison shots but id like to suggest you put a V2 and V3 shot of the same ship next to each other to really see the difference.

Is it really? I only looked at it in the ship viewer from the market. It looked improved to me. I'll have to buy one today to check it out.

It's shinier and a little darker. But still the same low-rez.

Glowing engine grills add a lot though.

It is green. But, it is NOT blinky. Unless you're somehow seeing something I'm not, and I have all textures and graphics turned to Max settings for my game.

Also, there used to be a blinking blue light on either side of the hull on the front, toward the bottom. They are now no longer there.

Old
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/Davidshky/20111106204010.jpg

New
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/Davidshky/20111106204013.jpg

Old
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/Davidshky/20111106204010.jpg

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http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/Davidshky/20111106204013.jpg

I think they've done a good job retexturing the ships so far. But I'm a litlle concerned as whether that will be it for v3ing those ships. Will these retextured ships be remodelled in future similarly to what's happening to the Raven i.e. not changing the basic design but enhancing the detail in the structure? Or is a retexture simply all that they will be getting?

Another thing is, Im a little confused as to why some of the t2 gallente ships have the Navy colour scheme now instead of the respective corps scheme and logo, like the Deimos, Lachesis and viator/occator (not sure which one). Is this a bug? (Yea Im aware this was brought up earlier and answered but I dont feel this was specifically answered lol)

CCP stated somewhere that remodeling one ship (and all variants) takes almost two months. To remodel every ship in the game would take a tremendous amount of art resources. Years of work involved.

Instead, they will V3 all the ships and objects in space (stations, LCOs, drones, stargates, etc), and remodel a ship or two here and there. Eventually they'll rework all the ships, but that is a long long ways down the road.

As for the mismatched color schemes. Yes, it's a bug. Yes, they've already fixed it. It just hasn't been updated on SiSi yet, but it looks correct on the private Dev servers.

Yes except they aren't remodeling them, they are changing the shadows and changing textures.

I myself can change a texture using photoshop/gimp in 20 seconds. I don't know about improving shadows though.

Seeing all the new textures really is quite nice. (Although I lament the loss of my favorite smiley faced derp cruisers).

I did see a "new" raven model in the dev blog and while having more pointy things and engines that no longer look like angled toilet seats...it's still funky looking :( Oh well that's caldari. Really excited for the minmatar upgrades (and secretly hoping the Naga doesn't blow with torpedoes.)

@Katrina: Thanks for the info, I didnt realise the v3 project and remodelling were seperate.

Still about the camo'd Roden and Duvolle ships Im a little worried. The Deimos has had the Navy colours for ages for some reason and Im wondering whether thats intended. I cant see the dev server so who knows.

The smile is still there, it's just creepier now.

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/Davidshky/20111105141433.jpg

@Katrina: Thanks for the info, I didnt realise the v3 project and remodelling were seperate.

Still about the camo'd Roden and Duvolle ships Im a little worried. The Deimos has had the Navy colours for ages for some reason and Im wondering whether thats intended. I cant see the dev server so who knows.

id love it if the deimos wasnt camo'd. cuz the phobos looks fuckin badass son.

i think v3ing is a good initiative to get ahead with those design wrecks but can't be an excuse to not remodel the ships - it's the vast part that needs a makeover badly;

please revert the exhaust color for amarr and gallente - it now has a hue towards violet which is just not pretty;

the 'water' effect on caldari engines is great though - especially close up;

Yeah I am not such a fan of the violet hue the Amarr and Gallente engine fire seems to have taken on. I'm hoping it is still a work in progress for engine trails.

On a similar note I would love it if Caldari got fiery red engine fire instead of the rather tepid orange/blue glow. I think the contrast with bright orange/red engine trails and the new graphite color of the ships would be hot.

I also wish the engine fires of some of the larger ships with little piddly ones would be strengthened. Ships like the Dominix, Megathron and Orca are sort of like a gas range on the lowest setting while the Apoc and Providence have big bursts of blue fire.

Yes except they aren't remodeling them, they are changing the shadows and changing textures.

I myself can change a texture using photoshop/gimp in 20 seconds. I don't know about improving shadows though.

Crane is still missing it's TII hul (or is intended?) Looks awesome btw

Because of the lighting and nebula change. You cant really separate the changes of light or the skin and the effect on one or the other.
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/brux.jpg

So, before these ships are reskinned, can the SIZE of them be fixed? I'm looking at the Rokh for example.

adding a little bit more to the previous post. PATCH 312067

Deimos now has the proper skin. (awesome!)

Crane is still missing it's TII hul (or is intended?) Looks awesome btw

Switching to recently V3d and re-V3d (ishukone , deimos etc...) ships in hangar can make any ship disappear both from space mainview, hangar view , balcony view and fitting screen. Preview works fine. Warping and jumping and redocking and relogging dont fix it. Waiting a bit and siwtching ships does...?

Switching to recently reV3d ships from the balcony also makes it disapear. And the hologram will remain stuck on the previous selected ship.

Navy scorp radar still doesn't spin.

New nebulae still don't influence V3 textures significantly (if at all) especially gallente ones See here for comparison shot (flickr)

Ishukone ships have varying skins (from pitchblack on the buzzard to snow camo on the vulture and faded gold on the harpy)

The buzzard seems to display the proper reflection of the nebulae but the engine heatmap doesnt vary according to it's speed. ITs the only recently reV3d ship that i could set foot in.

Entering CQ seems to take significantly more time than on TQ and will occasionally crash / try my patience.

That's all i can test for now

It was mentioned before, not sure if fixed yet, that the Rokh's turrets slightly sink inside the hull.

* Cerberus incorrectly uses Guristas theme.

No it doesn't. It uses the gold/orange Lai Dai theme as it should.

Basilisk, on the other hand, incorrectly uses Gurista.

Excellent feedback, I am looking into most of these issues now. Thanks for report concise helpful information.

All the new skins look great.

* Gallente ships, specially T2, look less "dirty" and "alien", and more like paladins in shinny armor.
* Caldari boats aren't so bright and blinky-blinky anymore, they blend more into the dark space.
* Overall, they look more realistic, even when the models don't help (Moa, Raven, etc).

* The consistency for all navy textures is welcome.
* Green camo on Gallente Federation looks hot.
* Digital camo on Caldari fits the theme well.
* Hookbill, Comet, Firetail aren't the black sheep anymore.

* The developer corporation logo on hull is a great idea
* Am I right to think this is a first step towards putting player corporation logos on ships?

Overall, well done to the art department. Now it's second round with Amarr and Minmatar (although many Amarr ships already look amazing with the new shaders).

Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this but...

Does anyone else have trouble with the new Minmatar BC Tornado's skin? I logged into SiSi just now, and the ship was completely silvery for me? Is this intended, do I have a driver issue or is there a bug?

I think it's not supposed to look like something Caldari straight from the washing machine :D

All the new skins look great.

* Gallente ships, specially T2, look less "dirty" and "alien", and more like paladins in shinny armor.
* Caldari boats aren't so bright and blinky-blinky anymore, they blend more into the dark space.
* Overall, they look more realistic, even when the models don't help (Moa, Raven, etc).

* The consistency for all navy textures is welcome.
* Green camo on Gallente Federation looks hot.
* Digital camo on Caldari fits the theme well.
* Hookbill, Comet, Firetail aren't the black sheep anymore.

* The developer corporation logo on hull is a great idea
* Am I right to think this is a first step towards putting player corporation logos on ships?

Overall, well done to the art department. Now it's second round with Amarr and Minmatar (although many Amarr ships already look amazing with the new shaders).

Apoc has been V3'd. It is OK. I don't fully hate it. Checking other ships now. (the noobship looks nice in station but was WAY too dark in Everyshore in a high sec but a dark system).


ETA: Abaddon looks incomplete. At least I HOPE it is incomplete because it looks very rough right now. Armageddon wasn't much better. Coercer looks OK but again probably incomplete. Seems to be missing some details. I don't have access to Navy ships but the Armageddon in ship preview looked like the same colors (black and white) but the black was shinier. Not sure about that though. Checked my Anathema and it is really hard to tell if there is a difference. The new nebulae make it look different in every system (that is what I used to check out all the nebulae).

Checking cruisers and frigates now.


ETA: Proph looks the same. Harbinger looks like it has had a few gold plates added but looks incomplete the way the Abaddon does. It looks kind of like someone has taken an eraser and blurred details of the hull. It is kind of hard to be certain of changes because some of the old Amarr hulls reflect the nebulae differently than they do on live so they are a bit different than what I am used to but I am 100% sure the Apoc has been fully revamped.

ETA: Frigates and Cruisers seem to be unchanged from live. I'll post a pic of the new Apoc.

The Amarr noobship has been V3'ed.

The only way to see it right now however is to pod yourself with an Amarr character.

No more blinky police light on Navycomet, no more Ishtar smileyface...

Y U DO DIS?

It doesn't have to be giant so it engulfs the entire back of the ship like the Rifter. I just think it would look better if it wasn't so pitifully small and weak looking. But I don't expect anyone to agree. My ideas are ahead of their time.

You even went in and changed the Gallente Shuttle to the blue instead of the orange after V3ing it, but you still leave the Comet puked on.

Why is your Art Department so enamored with that crap!?

Opinions.

So which would you prefer? Massive increase in memory requirements to improve ship textures?

I still think the V3 textures are of vastly lower quality than is needed to retain parity with the turret graphics. Observe:

Example 1
Example 2
Example 3

The textures - even on the newest ships in the game - are of a vastly inferior quality to the turret textures. There's a very clear texture fidelity difference between the turret and the surroudning ship. The textures for the ships need to be at the same resolution as the turrets, or everything just looks murky and disjointed.

Seriously, those texture fidelity differences look awful.

New textures look ugly and thats it. Caldari ships got painted in black and in some systems you only see black blob cause of dark space with lightbulbs on it and thats at maxed details lol what do you see at medium and low. Also light dosent reflect on them anymore . Same thing happened to galente ships like the ishkur now tis ugly grey monster. Been wondering what was the reason behind this are they making ships ugly to compensate for lagg or somethin ? Looking at the old 2006 screenshots ships look as bad as they look atm !
Pls repaint the caldari fleet in the old colors and for god sake get rid of the new text aswell lol cause atm its like for someone with eye problems .

Quit Trolling.

The turrets and ships both use the same size textures. Same quality.

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Quit Trolling.

Stopped reading here.

while youre at it, can u please get rid of space camo on the Lachesis and Deimos? navy mega and domi? nobody, and i mean nobody, wants it. or at least give some sign that we'll be able to customize the skins in the near future.

I still think the V3 textures are of vastly lower quality than is needed to retain parity with the turret graphics. Observe:

Example 1
Example 2
Example 3

The textures - even on the newest ships in the game - are of a vastly inferior quality to the turret textures. There's a very clear texture fidelity difference between the turret and the surroudning ship. The textures for the ships need to be at the same resolution as the turrets, or everything just looks murky and disjointed.

I think you've missunderstood the v3. V3 is updating the colour , giving it a better feel, nicer look.
About the picture you've showned its about the amount of polygons. Take scorpion for an example, they've improved the polygons.