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Daikatana00
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Daikatana00 on 01/03/2006 15:00:41
 How did I know spacerats was going to show up in this topic when I read the title?
Off-subject: Oh no! Spacerats is going down!? What will happen to the carebears like me who mine AFK in .6sec systems? Though I never ran into you, I could almost guarantee you wouldnt get a ransom (unless you want to hold me in scramble for 3-4 minutes until I come back) or even decent modules from me...civilian shields and basic cargo expaders all the way!! My miner IIs might be worth something though.
Back on Subject: Empire space is not supposed to be, and will never become, perfect 100% security. It is intended to stop the majority of griefing by making sure you WILL lose your ship if you attack someone. Empire is an effective deterrant, not an indestructable shield to hide behind.
In conclusion: If you can't afford to lose it, don't buy it, don't haul it, and definately don't undock it.
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Gray Carmicheal
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:00:00 -
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 Originally by: SengH
its a different system all the stuff is shrink wrapped into one container so you can complete the mission to ensure that isnt tampered with. Its not the same as secure containers so im guessing the cargo scanning module has problems parsing it.
Damn that bubblewrap! 
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:12:00 -
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I got empire ganked the other day and lost the contents of my wallet.
BOO HOO. This is a game ffs, who really cares. If you lost it you lost it to your own bad planning and stupidity. I dont care what anyone says about 1.0 systems should be safe..... NO WHERE in eve is safe unless docked in a station  If you undock you are in a PvP game  simple as that really.
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:13:00 -
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For those of you saying get an escort, if they passive scan you and nobody is the wiser, your escort wouldnt know anything itll the first volly was in the air...and by then you are basically dead in an indy.
that being said...transport ships 4tw especially when dealing with that kind of crap (bpo's take up 0 volume anyway dont they O.o)
Empire gankings have been in the game since the beginning...i am aware of that. But they seem to be a lot more popular these days than they used to be which is why there will be more whine threads in the future. I guess its people making a living out of it vs just doing it to **** people off or something.
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David Sinclair
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:40:00 -
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As I say every time this topic comes up: The problem is not the suicide-ganking, but that Concord let's someone loot the corpse right under their noses.
Someone mentioned an armored car. Well, what if someone comes up with an RPG, blows up the armored car. Police, drawn to the noise, gun him down and hang about the area, presumably doing paperwork or collecting evidence or eating donuts or something. Someone else comes along and scoops up all the money. Do you honestly think the police would just let some supposedly random passerby loot the truck?
Concord should not allow theft to occur under their noses. I don't think theft should "summon" concord, like when you attack another ship, but if Concord is already on site, they should not allow theft.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:41:00 -
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Quote:
Empire never was safe and it was you who did the ignoring part.
QFT
You could invest in a dedicated Transport ship, y'know those heavily armoured, large capacity ships DESIGNED to get through hell and back with your delivery safely. I thought people had stopped flying afk in cardboard Iterons full of Zydrine by now.
I have the utmost respect for people willing to lose BSes in empire, as long as they're not doing it with alts they are paying the penalties associated with their profession. And I have the utmost jealousy to those who gained valuable T2 BPOs from doing it 
By the way, you know you can transport BPOs in a frigate right? Covert Ops is ideal
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Khalii
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:42:00 -
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Hmm... I wonder if the OP's got the message yet?
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Khalii
Hmm... I wonder if the OP's got the message yet?
not even close
Offensive content - Laqum
even more offensive content removed - Sherkaner
Yet again offensive content - Laqum
how was that offensive?
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:50:00 -
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wow, tool
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:51:00 -
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I'm sorry..
But I have to..
Seriously, I'm sorry...
CRY MORE NOOB!!!
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:54:00 -
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it's more like a miscalculation. it it is allowed that pirates make more money in empire than low sec, than it means both pirates and carebears will eventually live in empire. what in the world is low sec suppose to be used for than? a bunch of pirates doing their work in front of hundreds of miners, carebears and police and that is suppose to make sense?
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Sixtyniner
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nimie
it's more like a miscalculation. it it is allowed that pirates make more money in empire than low sec, than it means both pirates and carebears will eventually live in empire. what in the world is low sec suppose to be used for than? a bunch of pirates doing their work in front of hundreds of miners, carebears and police and that is suppose to make sense?
You still need to ores from lowsec, wich means people in lowsec, wich then leads to pirating in lowsec. Plus, not everyone will pirate in highsec anyways.
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Haks'he Lirky
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 01/03/2006 16:01:11
Originally by: BoinKlasik
Empire gankings have been in the game since the beginning...i am aware of that. But they seem to be a lot more popular these days than they used to be which is why there will be more whine threads in the future. I guess its people making a living out of it vs just doing it to **** people off or something.
When the kestrel was no longer able to take down indies in one volley it slowed down, however today people are hauling much more iskies than they should be doing in a indie, this means that it can be profitable to loose a raven and it's fit expecially since it's not that expensive to loose T1 fitting and the insurance covers most of the ship loss.
If CCP were to balance this out somehow they should at the most stop paying insurance to ships that are concorded, even that might be uncalled for.
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robacz
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: robacz on 01/03/2006 16:12:03
Originally by: turnschuh
this is just plain stupid, you cannot transport stuff in empire worth more then 200mil since you just get blown up buy a lame suicide BS.
make passive scanning an aggression.
make cargo scanning an aggression.
fix concord.
this is not risk vs reward, empire is not save anymore and CCP is just ignoring it.
Imho its ok that someone can kill you if he is willing to lose his ship, but it is not ok that Concord watch how someone steals cargo from killed ship - Concord should collect it and send to legal owner. Its like policeman witnessed a murder, arrested murderer and let his friend to steal victim's car. Makes no sense.
I also agree that scanning should be an act of aggression though. Actually I thought it used to be.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: robacz
Imho its ok that someone can kill you if he are willing to lose his ship, but it is not ok that Concord watch how someone steals cargo from killed ship - Concord should collect it and send to legal owner. Its like policeman witnessed a murder, arrested murderer and let his friend to steal victim's car. Makes no sense.
I also agree that scanning should be an act of aggression though. Actually I thought it used to be.
Not needed.
The guy who picks up your stuff is flagged to your corp - your escorts can blow him up.
Oh, wait, you didn't bring an escort?
Oh dear.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sixtyniner
Originally by: Nimie
it's more like a miscalculation. it it is allowed that pirates make more money in empire than low sec, than it means both pirates and carebears will eventually live in empire. what in the world is low sec suppose to be used for than? a bunch of pirates doing their work in front of hundreds of miners, carebears and police and that is suppose to make sense?
You still need to ores from lowsec, wich means people in lowsec, wich then leads to pirating in lowsec. Plus, not everyone will pirate in highsec anyways.
this has always been true, but with pirates now becoming more and more aware that empire ganking is much more profitable, more and more pirates will leave low sec and move to empire. when this information is widespread, the majority of pirates will be in empire. there's nothing wrong with making it so nowhere in eve is safe, but the current rules puts too much in favor of pirates.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nimie
this has always been true, but with pirates now becoming more and more aware that empire ganking is much more profitable, more and more pirates will leave low sec and move to empire. when this information is widespread, the majority of pirates will be in empire. there's nothing wrong with making it so nowhere in eve is safe, but the current rules puts too much in favor of pirates.
Empire can only be too profitable for pirates if Empire is too profitable for carebears (grr, said it).
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:13:00 -
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a lot of the point in the escort is to go "hang on a second, maybe those 5 caracals around the gate aren't having a teaparty - might be best not to jump the hauler in right now"
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
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Grash Freedom
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:15:00 -
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What? Thats why this game rules!!
You are on fire every minute,
Anyway ganking in empire is not an exploit, it's part of the game, somebody in RL can put a bullet in your head( extreme expample) and then he will go behind bars. i am an industrialist and move in my hauler all the time, i wanted to play fearless i would have bought a single player game, not eve
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robacz
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Not needed.
The guy who picks up your stuff is flagged to your corp - your escorts can blow him up.
Oh, wait, you didn't bring an escort?
Oh dear.
That makes sense for low security space, not for highsec.
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bumcheekcity
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:15:00 -
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Want to move stuff round safely? Use something with a lot of HP? YOu lose a bil worth of stuff ythat you're AFK flying round in an unprotected badger? Good. Makes me amused, and it'll teach you to protect your stuff.
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:20:00 -
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On a more serious note -
if you carry something worth more than what a pirate can lose,
there won't be any safe place.
And if cargo scanning was made an aggro action - noone will use it, so what use will it be for having it in-game?
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:22:00 -
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OP you needed a transport, those things have real high resistance to all. One multi resistance (faction) one good 800mm armor plate. And some compensation skills. I never seen a 85% resistance before I fitted my transport out. But I can out-last most gank attempts in 1.0 to 0.5 space.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: robacz
Originally by: Avon
Not needed.
The guy who picks up your stuff is flagged to your corp - your escorts can blow him up.
Oh, wait, you didn't bring an escort?
Oh dear.
That makes sense for low security space, not for highsec.
I think this thread proves otherwise, don't you?
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:25:00 -
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Heh, some ppl will never learn.
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: turnschuh
seams you all need to loose 10bil t2 BPOs first before you get a clue how stupid this "empire security" is at the moment.
Why would you ever transport 10bil worth of items in a t1 indy? You do know that this game requires you to use your brain from time to time, right?
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:36:00 -
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You wouldn't walk around with a billion pounds/(currency of choice) in a thin paper bag in real life would you? No matter how safe a street was.
Suicide piracy has been around for ages now and most people know that when you want to move somthing extremely valuable you do it in somthing that can tank like a mofo.
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: robacz
Originally by: Avon
Not needed.
The guy who picks up your stuff is flagged to your corp - your escorts can blow him up.
Oh, wait, you didn't bring an escort?
Oh dear.
That makes sense for low security space, not for highsec.
I think this thread proves otherwise, don't you?
no, not really. this thread started off with 200m. when you need an escort to carry 200m, you know empire is pirate infested.
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Teles666
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:43:00 -
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It'll take more than one suicide BS to take down an occator - if you want to haul high value goods train the skills, your one day old alt isn't good enough :)
If your moving a T2 BPO for gods sake use a covert ops! If I saw you with a good BPO I'd gank you myself :)
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nimie
Originally by: Avon
I think this thread proves otherwise, don't you?
no, not really. this thread started off with 200m. when you need an escort to carry 200m, you know empire is pirate infested.
You don't need an escort to transport 200mil in an appropriate ship.
Putting your stuff in a ship worth only 0.2% of the value of the cargo, and expecting that to protect your investment is, frankly, insane.
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