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Abvrasious	Posted - 2006.03.01 18:50:00 - [91] Quote: seams you all need to loose 10bil t2 BPOs first before you get a clue how stupid this "empire security" is at the moment. 1. You can't get a ship to fly 3,500 m/s if you are flying a cargo that takes up .001 m3? Use instats, or fly something fast, you will never get killed. 2. Secure can, passworded. ------------- www.eve-files.com/media/corp/20thb/Abra-Banner.jpg[/img] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.03.01 18:51:00 - [92] No.
Nimie	Posted - 2006.03.01 18:52:00 - [93] Edited by: Nimie on 01/03/2006 18:55:20 let's remove the clone system than. eve is suppose to be brutal. and that would actually make me happy. mind you that only carebears have brought up finer mechanices of the game. instead of refuting things that don't make sense like pirates in front of hunderds of police, miners and such ganking at a gate over and over or looting a corpse when hundreds of police are around, pirates have only been saying things like "eve is suppose to be brutal" and "no space is safe", as if it's ok that the game doesn't make sense as long as it's brutal or not safe. other than the example with the armored escort, which doesn't apply to low amounts of goods(ever seen an armored escort carrying 60 buck(200m isk)), pirates have offered nothing. it's even more funny when a bunch of pirates tells you you should just meekly follow the rules, when a carebear is trying to change the rules, or in another part of these forums, pirates acting like carebears when it comes to t2 pricing.
inSpirAcy	Posted - 2006.03.01 18:54:00 - [94] Originally by: Nimie it's not the money for a t2 transport that keeps most people away from using them. it's the fact that you need 2 lvl 5 skills to use them. if you're only a small time hauler, it may be hard for you to coff up that much skill time when you rarely haul. It stopped being small time the moment you picked up 200 mil of cargo. Really, that amount of money is not small time. One of those L5 skills is a rank 1, so that's 5 days (a week tops) of your precious time. The other's a rank 4; but that's still only a few weeks and it's (clearly) essential if you want to play with the big boys.
Gonada	Posted - 2006.03.01 18:57:00 - [95] Couldn't have said it better myself. If you're moving a T2 BPO that takes up no cargo room in a ship that can be killed before CONCORD/Sentry intervention in highsec, you are an idiot. ---------------------------------------------------- amen, when god gave out brains, apperantly he forgot to give em to those that transport mega value items, in worthless ships, with no protection. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Malena Panic	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:03:00 - [96] Originally by: robacz it is not ok that Concord watch how someone steals cargo from killed ship - Concord should collect it and send to legal owner. Its like policeman witnessed a murder, arrested murderer and let his friend to steal victim's car. Makes no sense. Concord isn't like a state police force, but more like a peacekeeping organization, with a limited mandate and even more restricted rules of engagement.
Nimie	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:08:00 - [97] Originally by: Gonada Couldn't have said it better myself. If you're moving a T2 BPO that takes up no cargo room in a ship that can be killed before CONCORD/Sentry intervention in highsec, you are an idiot. ---------------------------------------------------- amen, when god gave out brains, apperantly he forgot to give em to those that transport mega value items, in worthless ships, with no protection. the only thing carebears have brought up so far is the insurance system, which will do nothing for those carrying t2 bpo. the insurance system will only help those with lower amount value of carge, but is still getting resistance. mind you even though i use 200m, the current system allows you to profit even with 100m.
Asane	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:09:00 - [98] Edited by: Asane on 01/03/2006 19:11:13 Let's put it in a questing back at you then: How are the Concord going to stop a suicider from suiciding? Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes -- The image IS 400 x 120 and 64kbs
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:29:00 - [99] Ok lets see, Eve has 1) no sec space which is 0.0 2) low sec space which is 0.4-0.1 3) high sec space which is 0.5 + nowere in that list do i see perfect sec space, no matter where you are in eve there is a chance you will be killed, now if you are attacked by gates/ stations in low sec..sentry guns help if you are attacked in high sec then concord come to your aid...now the confusion here is people belive that concord should be an inviunrible shild which stops you dying..wrong if the pirate is willing to loose his ship in the proces..he will kill you, now as for the pirates buddy taking the loot, it is not within concords mandate to stop it...their job is to kill the aggressor. pirates are not limited to low sec they can go anywere in the game..the only limit is their sec status..the differnce between the secs for the pirates is how easy it is for them to kill. in low they can get away with it,....in high they have to die. it is YOUR job to protect yourself not concords, if you cant grasp the simple concept that your detiny is in your hands and not the npc police..then eve is not the game for you _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
Jaddor	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:33:00 - [100] Whats stupid is that Concord blows up the attacker in a suicide ship and then lets the alt/friend loot the cans without interfearance.

Azuriel Talloth	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:38:00 - [101] Originally by: Jaddor Whats stupid is that Concord blows up the attacker in a suicide ship and then lets the alt/friend loot the cans without interfearance. Originally by: Malena Panic Concord isn't like a state police force, but more like a peacekeeping organization, with a limited mandate and even more restricted rules of engagement. I don't think the game is the one being "stupid" here
Jonis Sinmaker	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:43:00 - [102] Originally by: Asane Edited by: Asane on 01/03/2006 19:11:13 Let's put it in a questing back at you then: How are the Concord going to stop a suicider from suiciding? They are not going to stop it. Concord is there as a deterant not as a WTFPWND every pirate in sight service. They are there to keep people from GRIEFING new players and taking control of high sec systems not to protect those who are inept at keeping their goods safe due to lack of planning. Quote: Nothing what you said refutes my point: Police shouldn't just stand around while someone loots someone else's body. Your point about escorts also has two holes: 1) If I understand the patch notes listed above, a member of an NPC corp can loot the cans without getting flagged. 2) What if the looters have more firepower? If you shoot the looter, as I understand it, his whole gang can shoot back at you. Since this would be considered a "legitimate" disagreement, Concord wouldn't interfere. What constitutes a good enough escort for high-sec transportation? Let's say the camp involves four people. Three Battleships and a Transport Ship to loot. The Battleships rotate ganking. If any escorts take a shot at the looter, the BS's open up from long range. My problem is less with the idea of piracy in empire space and more the fact that there are a dozen large concord vessels just floating around completely oblivious. It just doesn't make sense. I don't think I'll ever have to worry about it personally. When I move something valuable, I use the smallest fastest ship I can find. I am more irritated with the Op then you m8. I quoted you because you, like the Op, seem to think Concord is there to hold everyones hand in "almost safe" space. The sec rating of systems has you fooled and the fact everyone that gets ganked in high sec seems to think that this hasn't happend before. High sec ganking has been going on since beta testing and I know....I've watched me do it while in beta testing and during caster so it's nothing new and has actually becaome very hard to do considering how easy it was back in the day. What gets me the most is everyone seems to think that high sec ganking has gotten worse...well it hasn't. It has just gotten more public attention in the past few months then it ever did. Before when it happened everyone knew that it could happen and we just DELT with it. We didn't try to change the game to make it easier...IT'S A PvP BASED GAME! Ask a dev they'll tell you the same. As far as NPC corp members being allowed to gank cans and not get flagged I agree that is bull and should be changed, but I haven't seen anywhere it says that so I would like to know of a reference that you speak of for this. <-- That was actually your only good point by the way, if it is true. Now as far as your other comment. "What if the looters have more firepower?" Well bro I hate to say it, but your screwed. I can honestly say that no pirate is going to get into a huge fleet battle in high sec unless they are at war with you. If you bring an escort crew of 3 or 4 ships and your hauler does get ganked I can pretty much bet the other ships will not try to become another concord statistic for aggroing the escorts....just no profit in that. If the looters have a hauler there scooping your loot, that hauler is then aggroed to your corp and in turn is now a legal target. It all boils down to planning. If you plan right and keep your wits about you then you will be fine. Use some common sence...you see some guys following you and you warp into a gate and see a raven shield tanking on the gate....get your arse out of there...don't try to truck it to the gate....also use instas in heavy trafic areas like....hmmmm....JITA! Use a scout to see how the route is and make sure there is no shady people lurking around the gates in in your route....just use some freakin street smarts. ------- Semper Fi Jonis Sinmaker Bring back Mines [green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120,
Nimie	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:46:00 - [103] Originally by: dantes inferno Ok lets see, Eve has 1) no sec space which is 0.0 2) low sec space which is 0.4-0.1 3) high sec space which is 0.5 + nowere in that list do i see perfect sec space, no matter where you are in eve there is a chance you will be killed, now if you are attacked by gates/ stations in low sec..sentry guns help if you are attacked in high sec then concord come to your aid...now the confusion here is people belive that concord should be an inviunrible shild which stops you dying..wrong if the pirate is willing to loose his ship in the proces..he will kill you, now as for the pirates buddy taking the loot, it is not within concords mandate to stop it...their job is to kill the aggressor. pirates are not limited to low sec they can go anywere in the game..the only limit is their sec status..the differnce between the secs for the pirates is how easy it is for them to kill. in low they can get away with it,....in high they have to die. it is YOUR job to protect yourself not concords, if you cant grasp the simple concept that your detiny is in your hands and not the npc police..then eve is not the game for you nooone here so far is trying to say empire should be compeltly safe or is saying that concord should be invulnerable shield which stops you from dying. the only thing said so for is 1) the insurance system change, which does not make concord an invulnerable shield that protects your billion+ goods in any way nor turn empire space into a completly safe happy happy carebear zone, and 2) that pirates ganking and looting at the gate over and over again in front of hundreds of police, miners and such does not make sense. in case one, someone wants a change to the insurance system. in case 2, i want someone to say that it's weird.
Wee Dave	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:47:00 - [104] I've found the following to be useful for transporting expensive bpos: CovOps Transport ships Interceptors Assault Frigates Battleships Fast frigates with an mwd. Even if you end up in a fast frigate, your mwd should allow you to hit a gate in about six seconds. Nobody will scan you, figure out you have worthwhile cargo, and gank you in that time. Especially if you keep it in a small container.
Asane	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:50:00 - [105] Insure cargo..? As in being able to insure, go out, get a friend to kill you and get both the items and money? Second, what are the miners gonna do? Third, if they kill people infront of "hundreds" (Where are these hundreds of concord?) of police: They. Get. Killed. Over and over again. As for looting that's not Concords issue Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes -- The image IS 400 x 120 and 64kbs
Professor McFly	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:56:00 - [106] All the whining in this thread makes me want to give up my honourable ways and take up piracy and griefing. Is this normal? __________________ Retard's handbook
Ardent Rellik	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:57:00 - [107] Threads like this are croping up every few weeks. What bugs me is that some people who are screaming and yelling to high heaven are supposed Veterans, who been playing this game forever now. Makes one wonder as to where have they been all these years.... .... I actually read through the entire thread... Man, some people really have no clue. Anyway, there are bunch of good ways of protecting yourself in Empire. Ganking People in High Sec. Space is a "LEGITIMATE TACTIC" & it works. Chill out! And next time be prepared to be ganked, take precautions.
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:02:00 - [108] Originally by: turnschuh seams you all need to loose 10bil t2 BPOs first before you get a clue how stupid this "empire security" is at the moment. What kind of fool puts 10bil in BPO in a indy? You deserve what you get. Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
Asane	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:04:00 - [109] Originally by: Ardent Rellik Threads like this are croping up every few weeks. What bugs me is that some people who are screaming and yelling to high heaven are supposed Veterans, who been playing this game forever now. Makes one wonder as to where have they been all these years.... Shouldn't you have learned by now, that the veterans that get into a situation where they were the underdog, in 40% of the cases run to the forums to cry because the game is "Broken". Veteran + Being at the recieving end = Whiner Much in the way WoW player + Forum access = Whiner Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes -- The image IS 400 x 120 and 64kbs
Nimie	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:15:00 - [110] it's more like eve hardcore players=wow players in disguise. you say you want it brutal and hardcore, yet you cry when someone wants to take away your cheap disposable ships.

Asane	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:17:00 - [111] Originally by: Nimie it's more like eve hardcore players=wow players in disguise. you say you want it brutal and hardcore, yet you cry when someone wants to take away your cheap disposable ships. It's the other way around... We want it player driven, not NPC driven Please resize your forum signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques -Stop missleading me!!
Nimie	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:24:00 - [112] Originally by: Asane Originally by: Nimie it's more like eve hardcore players=wow players in disguise. you say you want it brutal and hardcore, yet you cry when someone wants to take away your cheap disposable ships. It's the other way around... We want it player driven, not NPC driven insurance is npc. so you're saying you guys want the insurance system removed?
Karash Amerius	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:30:00 - [113] It is just more popular now because of the huge influx of newbs we have ever since the JunkieXL video came out (note to ccp: make another promo vid). Empire ganking has been in the game since day one...there is just a misconception about "safe space" out there and no one is cluing the newbs in.
Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:30:00 - [114] Originally by: Nimie Originally by: Asane Originally by: Nimie it's more like eve hardcore players=wow players in disguise. you say you want it brutal and hardcore, yet you cry when someone wants to take away your cheap disposable ships. It's the other way around... We want it player driven, not NPC driven insurance is npc. so you're saying you guys want the insurance system removed? Or driven by Player Corps. I could see Progressive Insurance in Eve My sig was CONCORDOKKENED. I blame Wrangler H4x.
Xelios	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:33:00 - [115] Edited by: Xelios on 01/03/2006 20:34:15 Buy a Transport. Keep all your cargo in secure cans, that way they can't scan them. CCP has already given you the tools to sa***uard your cargo in empire, it's not their fault you aren't using them. You're never 100% safe in EVE, that's been the idea since day 1. /edit CCP you have GOT to be kidding me, what the hell is profane about the word "s-a-f-e-g-u-a-r-d"? Get this forum filter under control, we're all adults here this isn't a preschool Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
Haks'he Lirky	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:34:00 - [116] Originally by: Nimie in case 2, i want someone to agree that it's weird. It's a frigging computer game, you want to draw up a list of things that dont make sense? It will take you a lifetime to sort through it and then you have the prime fiction nuts yelling at you that it has all been "explained" in the articles of EVE, wich is btw the religous manuscript to many. EvE is what it is, most people enjoy it. Some only enjoy it while their precious ships stay intact (they dont last long though). But comeon, if you loose something because you were being less than religous concerning your own safety and your cargo then you just have to suck it up and try better next time. And if your loss seems to be larger than you can grasp at the moment then just take a deep breath and chant "this is a game, im playing for fun and I like playing EVE." and continue with your gaming session. It's like sending a letter to nintendo because Mario lost your shooting thing because the turtle thing got your shooting thing while you were trying to use the shooting thing to get the other turtle thing. Fly a ship that pirates cant kill, or dont fly around with cargo they want.
Nimie	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:46:00 - [117] Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Originally by: Nimie in case 2, i want someone to agree that it's weird. It's a frigging computer game, you want to draw up a list of things that dont make sense? It will take you a lifetime to sort through it and then you have the prime fiction nuts yelling at you that it has all been "explained" in the articles of EVE, wich is btw the religous manuscript to many. EvE is what it is, most people enjoy it. Some only enjoy it while their precious ships stay intact (they dont last long though). But comeon, if you loose something because you were being less than religous concerning your own safety and your cargo then you just have to suck it up and try better next time. And if your loss seems to be larger than you can grasp at the moment then just take a deep breath and chant "this is a game, im playing for fun and I like playing EVE." and continue with your gaming session. It's like sending a letter to nintendo because Mario lost your shooting thing because the turtle thing got your shooting thing while you were trying to use the shooting thing to get the other turtle thing. Fly a ship that pirates cant kill, or dont fly around with cargo they want. i enjoy this aspect of the game though. i enjoy arguing and "balancing." side note: can't cargo scans go through cargo containers? i've heard stories that go both ways.
Greenbolt	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:54:00 - [118] Edited by: Greenbolt on 01/03/2006 20:55:35 While I see nothing wrong with the tactic of suicide bombing a industrial (heck it happens in real life all the time..even in front of police or military stations) and grabbing the loot I dont understand why insurance pays out when your ganked by concord. You would think that being found guilty of a capital crime by Concord (and therefore getting blown to pieces) would be the perfect excuse for the insurance companies not to pay and therefore maximize more of their profit. I also vote that you should not get your ship insurance payout if your Concord killed or Custom Agent killed (black market smuggling). Edited cuzz i cant speeel
Dray	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:59:00 - [119] 2 days ago i lost a shuttle to a high sec gank, it was carrying a machariel bpc. I lived with it, ive played this game since beta and i know the risks, all the blame lies with me, it was my fault and noone elses, not concord, not the guy who popped me, and certainly not ccp's. I lost a 450M bpc but got a prompt reminder of why you should not take anything for granted in eve, eve dosent take care of idiots, infact it does quite the opposite, it punishes them and does it serverely in some cases, this is why i play and this is why i love the game. Bottom line, deal with it, live with it, but dont come here and cry about it, you will get no more than you deserve.
Jerick Ludhowe	Posted - 2006.03.01 21:06:00 - [120] You complain about balance yet there are things ALREADY IMPLEMENTED in EVE that allow you or anyone else to get around high sec suicide pirates. If you are unwilling to take the propper actions to protect yourself then you deserve the loss of that cargo in your hold. This is a PVP GAME afterall...



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