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Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:24:00 - [181] Originally by: MachZERO Originally by: turnschuh this is just plain stupid, you cannot transport stuff in empire worth more then 200mil since you just get blown up buy a lame suicide BS. make passive scanning an aggression. make cargo scanning an aggression. fix concord. this is not risk vs reward, empire is not save anymore and CCP is just ignoring it. You are not completely acurate... I've traveled from jita to rens to amarr then back to my home system with over 8 billion isk worth of fun in the back of my mastodon. You just have to know WHEN to do it and WHO to look out for. Beyond that, you are minmatar get a mastodon and fit invul fields and shield boosters to it. Problem pretty much solved for 98% of the suicide BS's in eve. For everything else, use a freighter. It's not an issue of it being unfair. It's a matter of you not having the right tools for the job. Can you tell me the next time you're passing through Ours, please? I'll be gentle. I promise. My sig was CONCORDOKKENED. I blame Wrangler H4x.
Nosferatu Zodd	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:25:00 - [182] Cache cleared.
Carter Burke	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:30:00 - [183] Originally by: Alpha Centauri Makes sense now, sounds like an expensive occupation Not when insurance pays back the cost of your ship, and particularly not when you drive a set of caracals. 15M and a non-agro'd alt? There's no risk there. Period. CB
FXSlacker	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:31:00 - [184] Why not have Concord cover my can for say 15 minutes? If the I got robbed and the rat was caught/blown away I would expect to recover my goods in RL from the police. Anyone other than corp, gang, or the original carrier gets shot at. The catch is the rat still might be able to take the abuse and recover the can. That sounds fair doesn't it? Slacker
Avon	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:33:00 - [185] Originally by: Carter Burke There's no risk there. Period. CB You don't know what will drop. You might get nothing. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
MrMorph	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:35:00 - [186] Ok, heres the solution. [Please insert 1 million isk to my wallet before reading on] CCP: Make a string of 1.1 systems. In these systems the following rules apply: - You cannot have a gun fitted, or you will be unable to enter the system. - You cannot agress in any way, no ew, no nothing. - Haulers will have 9000000 armor hp. - There will be no markets, no research or production facility All OMGIGOTKILLEDCCPBANTHEMNOWIAMLEETANDCANNOTDIE people can roam frely around in their haulers with a tech2 bpo in, without worrying, braging bout their cool load. OMFGJIZUZKTHNXGOSTFUANDTAKEACACKE for gods sake...... ---------------------------------------------- No sig due to the 1byte 1 pixel limit.
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:38:00 - [187] Quote: Why not have Concord cover my can for say 15 minutes? If the I got robbed and the rat was caught/blown away I would expect to recover my goods in RL from the police. Anyone other than corp, gang, or the original carrier gets shot at. The catch is the rat still might be able to take the abuse and recover the can. That sounds fair doesn't it? nope it dosent...unles the pirates can have a npc hauler to pick up any loot..why should you on your own have the benefits that the pirate gets by using team work,...bring an escort ganged with you..if you die they can the kill the person taking your loot. teamwprk is always > than solo play in eve. try using it. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist
Carter Burke	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:44:00 - [188] Originally by: robacz Imho its ok that someone can kill you if he is willing to lose his ship, but it is not ok that Concord watch how someone steals cargo from killed ship - Concord should collect it and send to legal owner. Its like policeman witnessed a murder, arrested murderer and let his friend to steal victim's car. Makes no sense. I'd even go so far as to have the "evidence seized" and poofed. Either way, this would make a lot more sense, and would eliminate the exploit of having a non-ganged alt who didn't draw Concord agro picking up loot. As it is, it's like the cops just don't give two ****s about the bagman. CB
Carter Burke	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:47:00 - [189] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Carter Burke There's no risk there. Period. CB You don't know what will drop. You might get nothing. Pfft. That's bull***. I can do math, and when you see critical mass in a hauler, you know what's worth hitting and what's not. Attacker loses nothing - he's got a pack of cruisers and a stack of launchers back in station that might* have cost him 25m. CB
Iberi	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:50:00 - [190] Originally by: Carter Burke Originally by: Alpha Centauri Makes sense now, sounds like an expensive occupation Not when insurance pays back the cost of your ship, and particularly not when you drive a set of caracals. 15M and a non-agro'd alt? There's no risk there. Period. CB Dude! Try a bit PvP, You will understand meaning of "no risk there".

tbow10	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:53:00 - [191] Haha learn to run. They lose there isk on there suicide gank. And if you new how to run you could probly live and watch them die.
J3ST3R	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:59:00 - [192] As some of the guys have said Investing in freighters and transport ships are ideal ways to increase your chances of surviving suicide attack squads. Both of these methods are quite expensive and intensive interms of skill training but anyone moving 200m in 1 trip should have the income for the T2 hauler. A simple, cheap, and relatively short training time solution would be shield extenders. I fly an Iteron Mk V and can get 3100 shields whith the extenders fitted and have 5 nanofibres in the low slots decreasing time for warp alignment and increasing overall maximum velocity. Putting all your eggs in one basket makes for a large omlette.
Waldo Barnstormer	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:59:00 - [193] learn to run through a warp scrambler? actually i agree with the op's suggestion of making cargo scanning an act of aggression.. thats like someone coming up to you on the street and goin through your pockets so they can decide whether they should mug you or not. but also, no.. empire space isn't meant to be completely safe, we know.. im sure there's 7 pages of ppl saying that (i didn't bother to read all 7 pages) doesn't make it any easier to bear when someone can use an alt in an indy to nick ya stuff. (no it hasn't happened to me, ever, seriously - ppl always assume it has when i support nerfing empire ganking) loose = "not rigidly fastened or securely attached" \| lose = "fail to win"
Durvaul	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:59:00 - [194] Originally by: hired goon Owned. Your an ass, don't rise above yourself nublet Empire should be unsafe to travllers and yes scanning should be agression, u are locking and doing sumthing PVPers in this thread shut up This Sig May Contain Voilent Messages that Only A Trained Spy Of Assassin Can See, mmkay?
Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:05:00 - [195] Originally by: Durvaul Originally by: hired goon Owned. Your an ass, don't rise above yourself nublet Empire should be unsafe to travllers and yes scanning should be agression, u are locking and doing sumthing PVPers in this thread shut up Best post in here, hands down. Sir, your level of intellegence amazes me. Thank you for gracing this already hilarious thread with such an excellent post. And thank you for making me laugh until I wet myself. My sig was CONCORDOKKENED. I blame Wrangler H4x.
Maltrox	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:08:00 - [196] I can empathize with the OP. I remember losing my first ever industrial crammed to the gills with all my stuff. I remember losing my first fitted BC, packed "safely" in a Iteron V. Or so I thought. Yep, it got smoked to pieces. And yes, Ill admit I did petition. I received a rather rude reply which, by forum rules, I won't repeat here. However the senior GM that answered my customer service complaint and the initial petition itself did a lot more than anyone has ever done for me in Eve. He made me think of how to fly smarter. Not safer, smarter. With any battle knowledge is half the fight, sometimes more. No, I cannot put a microwarpdrive on my hauler. No, the 15km run from warp in point to the gate is any means short and most prone to getting nailed. This is what I did, in order: 1) Throw a fit and scream my Minmatar butt off for almost three hours. 2) Sucked back a good few bottles of water 3) Made a game plan - Mining gives me minerals. I can sell the ore, the minerals, or use the minerals to rebuild my own ship, somewhat "free" of charge. - Ratting gives me loot and bounties. I can save up my new iskies, melt the loot down and return to 3A. - My corpmates, when approached calmly and with good offers will on occassion donate iskies, needed fittings or the whole kit. 4) Educate myself about the game some more. I realized I can fit ECM jammers. That didn't work out as a hauler takes a long time to lock back it's target for these to be effective. Then I found out about cans, armor tanking and shield tanking. Yep, it's doable in a hauler. The fractions of seconds of difference between a Tech I Mammoth versus a Tech I Mammoth with what I call "smart fittings" can save your butt. If you get that extra HP or velocity bonus... Concord might just smoke your agressor before he smokes you... Or... You might hit the gate first. I learned the same way as the OP did. Trial and error. But you know what? I ganked that pirate back five hours later. And I felt good.
Kyozoku	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:10:00 - [197] What was up with all the suiciders yesterday? All the hub systems where red on map.
zincol	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:12:00 - [198] Originally by: turnschuh seams you all need to loose 10bil t2 BPOs first before you get a clue how stupid this "empire security" is at the moment. Your a spanner if u transport T2 bpos in an Hauler. Shuttle ftw?
Morbid AngelLust	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:12:00 - [199] Edited by: Morbid AngelLust on 02/03/2006 20:17:44 Learn how to accually play the game right....then complain. Did you have bms? no? well then its your own damn fault. By the way what the hell are you doing with 10bil in BPOs in and inty?? Did you have an escort? You are at fault here no one else, quit whining.
Princess Crook	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:17:00 - [200] Too much to read in this thread - so didn't read it all. One point in here I agree with though. If you're ship was killed by Concord because you violated the law - insuranse money should not be paid. Stupid RL analogy: You try to outrun the police, you crash your car AND expect a fat insurance payout??? Just won't happen.

Imran	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:20:00 - [201] Dont cry on the forums, do something constructive and adapt. Have a escort present, buy a tech II hauler, whatever just adapt and maybe you wont get pwnt? Just a thought. EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:20:00 - [202] As a pirate, I suggest the following: Make can flagging expose you to fire from everyone for 15 minutes. Of course, should anyone choose to engage a flagged person, they should be able to return fire as they do now. Normal confusing gang/corp mechanics on concord-allowed engagement will still apply. This will make the looting assistant a little lighter on their toes. If an unrelated player spots a group scanning folks, he can just settle back and park his caracal near the waiting industrial and smile. Anyone with can flagging on their head that jettisons or drops a can is not entitled to further can-flagging protection during that period. Any pirate that takes offense to this or the idea that he might get OMG fired upon is simply a coward. You know how I know this is good? Because anything that results in more missile flying through the air is a good thing by default.
Morbid AngelLust	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:59:00 - [203]
Arshes Nei	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:06:00 - [204] Actually i couldnt stand reading the whole thread so sorry if it has already been said, but what would be the point in suicide killing someone in empire if your buddys couldnt loot his stuff without concord intervention. Wouldnt that mean the only reason left would then be griefing, and let me guess ... people then would say: lets completly forbid it, cause its only used for griefing. Btw just remember zombie corp and how they camped gates in 1.0? I wouldnt say high sec got any more dangerous the last years, quite the reverse . Please never ever transport anything valuable in a indy, what do you think those dudes are up to who sit at stations or gates in hub systems and scan passerbys? And i really really have trouble understanding why people dont atleast use instas when transporting highly valuable stuff in a ship that has paper for armor. So lets get this straight: You did not use instas You didnt have escorts You choose about the worst ship that you could find for the job You didnt think about shrinkwrapping your valuable cargo or atleast putting it in a secure container You got unlucky It really takes a combination of the above points to manage loosing stuff in high sec ... P.S. On the other hand it might be very funny if concord would retaliate against people trying to take stuff out of your containers. But i wouldnt get anything done if i spent my whole time in n00b corp systems spawning "free stuff welcome to eve"-containers .
Corp Mule	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:11:00 - [205] Edited by: Corp Mule on 02/03/2006 21:12:55 Originally by: Waldo Barnstormer learn to run through a warp scrambler? actually i agree with the op's suggestion of making cargo scanning an act of aggression.. thats like someone coming up to you on the street and goin through your pockets so they can decide whether they should mug you or not. but also, no.. empire space isn't meant to be completely safe, we know.. im sure there's 7 pages of ppl saying that (i didn't bother to read all 7 pages) doesn't make it any easier to bear when someone can use an alt in an indy to nick ya stuff. (no it hasn't happened to me, ever, seriously - ppl always assume it has when i support nerfing empire ganking) most intelligent post i have read in this thread, this would = your fix. I think it would be fair if you use some reality in it. Could hurt pirating in concord though ;)
Arshes Nei	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:20:00 - [206] Edited by: Arshes Nei on 02/03/2006 21:24:03 Originally by: Corp Mule Edited by: Corp Mule on 02/03/2006 21:12:55 Originally by: Waldo Barnstormer learn to run through a warp scrambler? actually i agree with the op's suggestion of making cargo scanning an act of aggression.. thats like someone coming up to you on the street and goin through your pockets so they can decide whether they should mug you or not. but also, no.. empire space isn't meant to be completely safe, we know.. im sure there's 7 pages of ppl saying that (i didn't bother to read all 7 pages) doesn't make it any easier to bear when someone can use an alt in an indy to nick ya stuff. (no it hasn't happened to me, ever, seriously - ppl always assume it has when i support nerfing empire ganking) most intelligent post i have read in this thread, this would = your fix. I think it would be fair if you use some reality in it. Could hurt pirating in concord though ;) Hm actually i would say its more like someone uses some x-ray device to check on you. Why the police doesnt get him? Well they cant see the x-rays I dont want to sound geeky, but the whole point of a passive scanner is ... umh ... well its passive, you dont notice it being used on you. And how about stopping to give advice on how to make highsec carebearland, its not that hard to implement that ccp needs your advice if they wanted it . Edit: To clarify, if it would be impossible to scan people in high sec how would you know which ship to shoot? And if your not supposed to know which ship to shoot you might aswell ask to restrict pvp to war and <0.5, cause all thats left without that would be pointless killing with huge drawbacks.
Essence Girl	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:37:00 - [207] Concord is not your babysitter. Grow up or go back to WoW.
Carter Burke	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:39:00 - [208] Originally by: Iberi Originally by: Carter Burke Originally by: Alpha Centauri Makes sense now, sounds like an expensive occupation Not when insurance pays back the cost of your ship, and particularly not when you drive a set of caracals. 15M and a non-agro'd alt? There's no risk there. Period. CB Dude! Try a bit PvP, You will understand meaning of "no risk there". Dude! I have a 35M skill point combat char! I've done PvP. There is no risk in gate-ganking haulers in empire. Period. CB
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:40:00 - [209] Originally by: Gray Carmicheal Originally by: Durvaul Originally by: hired goon Owned. Your an ass, don't rise above yourself nublet Empire should be unsafe to travllers and yes scanning should be agression, u are locking and doing sumthing PVPers in this thread shut up Best post in here, hands down. Sir, your level of intellegence amazes me. Thank you for gracing this already hilarious thread with such an excellent post. And thank you for making me laugh until I wet myself. Just to clarify, we're laughing AT you. Not with you.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:42:00 - [210] Originally by: MrMorph Ok, heres the solution. [Please insert 1 million isk to my wallet before reading on] CCP: Make a string of 1.1 systems. In these systems the following rules apply: - You cannot have a gun fitted, or you will be unable to enter the system. - You cannot agress in any way, no ew, no nothing. - Haulers will have 9000000 armor hp. - There will be no markets, no research or production facility All OMGIGOTKILLEDCCPBANTHEMNOWIAMLEETANDCANNOTDIE people can roam frely around in their haulers with a tech2 bpo in, without worrying, braging bout their cool load. OMFGJIZUZKTHNXGOSTFUANDTAKEACACKE for gods sake...... that already exists press alt-q, then go talk to yourself in the mirror sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin



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