1) Selectable damage type is the ONLY saving grace for todays missile user. however CCP refuse to change the damn kinetic bonus to an universal one so we are forced to use kinetic if we want high damage..... however......

2) Gallente FOTM. T2 gallente have near 90% kinetic resists base.... freaking stupid. Missile boats now have to change damage type to either EM or Exp to do any sort of damage to them...... but wait......

3) RLML and RHML .... okay deimos on field switching to em damage.... 40 seconds later, you're either dead or ran away, cause you CANT change ammo types to be effective in 40 seconds. Or you can continue to shoot kinetic at the diemos as it laughs at you until you die.

4) CNR has more applicable damage to frigs and cruisers with cruise missiles than with RHML. This is stupid. Yes the ROF is faster on the RHML but how the heck is a BS sized weapon doing more per hit on a frig than a cruiser sized weapon!? WTF.

5) The Phoenix...... nuff said what a joke.

6) Torps even with a Vindi buddy webbing a hac you do jack all damage to it. Maybe we need to take a look at the size factor of ships and eliminating it as factor for missile damage, leaving speed and resistances the factors to missile damage. This would bring them in line with turrets and still be a little nerfed compared to them since a turret can still hit a ship for full effect based on transverse reguardless speed, while a missile would still be based on the speed. If a vindi can do full damage with neutrons to a frig sitting at zero why cant torps? Also doesnt it make sense that a larger explosion radius would in essence do more damage to an area than a smaller one?

I have a lot of other examples and references, I could go on for days. I just wish you guys would start taking some more outside input again. Your view on certain things are way to narrowed and focused to be able to see everything.

WildCat

4+6) Explosion velocity+explosion radius, I made a nice post about this, let me find the link.

Missiles need a looking at, that's just the bottom line. Rapids need fixed, Heavies need fixed, HAMs need a slight adjustment, defneders need changed to a flare type defense (like planes use in todays wars) FoF well just suck. Torp not sure if need fixed or not. Cruise, Lights, and rockets are good to go.

Whats your take on that?

Btw while we're talking missiles : I want my tracking disruptor to mess with missile guidance.

I want to discuss this more.

Are you saying that, lets take all variables out of here and get down to the most basic of maslow's hierarchy of needs here, a ship sitting still no matter the size can be hit by a turret of any size for FULL damage and thats okay? However a torp / cruise missile hitting a cruiser that is sitting at zero m/sec, or a HAM / HM hitting a destroyer / frig sized targets only does half or less of it FULL dps is okay?

Now lets get the target moving. Perfect transverse no matter the weapon "other than domis with sentries" will miss a smaller target. That is fair. However an 800 auto cannon tempest will wreck a cruiser with zero transverse no matter the speed..... but a cruise raven will still do crap dps to a cruiser even with a zero transverse factor. Not even.


*Now it would be silly of me to not put forward a possible solution.... I purpose the damage done by missiles are based solely on the resistances and speed of the target ships. Based on this...... "Typical detonation velocities in gases range from 1800 m/s to 3000 m/s. Typical velocities in solid explosives often range beyond 4000 m/s to 10300 m/s." So lets use the gas numbers for arguement sakes. anything over 3km/sec would take zero damage from missiles. Anything slower would take the percentage of damage based on the speed. So obviously a webbed target would take more damage than a non webbed one. A frig sitting at 0m/sec against a torp would evaporate. On this as well we need a mod like a tracking disruptor that can mess with the guidance system and slow the speed of the missile.


Whats your take on that?

I like this thread.

I fully support changing kinetic bonuses on all Caldari ships to universal bonuses for all damage types!

I will withhold my negative comments about the current kinetic bonuses because I love EvE.

Small missile systems are fine, I think. For all other missile systems, I think they could become a lot more unique and interesting if they have their general overall DPS nerfed by a large percentage, enough to cause a lot of people to become upset and then buff the explosion velocity and explosion radius of those missile systems to make them more specialised as a weapon system to be used for combat against ships a class below them. In other words, HML could become like the old RLML while cruise might become more like the old HML. Right now, missiles are just pretty crap and I think a change like this might make them more useful or it might just make a lot of mission runners mad idk.

[Cruise missiles are actually pretty good with the right set ups.

Yeah, they're decent. It's mainly the HMLs that need the most attention. The two options I see for them is either to give them a makeover similar to the medium turrets or to just resurrect the old RLML as HMLs.

It kinda feels like CCP has been looking at missiles for a year now.

Btw while we're talking missiles : I want my tracking disruptor to mess with missile guidance.

No...

If they want to make a "Missile Guidance Distributor" I'm fine with that but just on principle a module that affects gun turrets shouldn't do anything with missiles. That would be like having Gyrostabilizers boost missile damage and ROF.

1) Selectable damage type is the ONLY saving grace for todays missile user. however CCP refuse to change the damn kinetic bonus to an universal one so we are forced to use kinetic if we want high damage..... however......

2) Gallente FOTM. T2 gallente have near 90% kinetic resists base.... freaking stupid. Missile boats now have to change damage type to either EM or Exp to do any sort of damage to them...... but wait......

3) RLML and RHML .... okay deimos on field switching to em damage.... 40 seconds later, you're either dead or ran away, cause you CANT change ammo types to be effective in 40 seconds. Or you can continue to shoot kinetic at the diemos as it laughs at you until you die.

4) CNR has more applicable damage to frigs and cruisers with cruise missiles than with RHML. This is stupid. Yes the ROF is faster on the RHML but how the heck is a BS sized weapon doing more per hit on a frig than a cruiser sized weapon!? WTF.

5) The Phoenix...... nuff said what a joke.

6) Torps even with a Vindi buddy webbing a hac you do jack all damage to it. Maybe we need to take a look at the size factor of ships and eliminating it as factor for missile damage, leaving speed and resistances the factors to missile damage. This would bring them in line with turrets and still be a little nerfed compared to them since a turret can still hit a ship for full effect based on transverse reguardless speed, while a missile would still be based on the speed. If a vindi can do full damage with neutrons to a frig sitting at zero why cant torps? Also doesnt it make sense that a larger explosion radius would in essence do more damage to an area than a smaller one?

I have a lot of other examples and references, I could go on for days. I just wish you guys would start taking some more outside input again. Your view on certain things are way to narrowed and focused to be able to see everything.

WildCat

Just putting this out there, but why are there modules that give bonuses to specific weapon systems. There is one Tracking Enhancer that affects all turrets, so why not one mod?

3) RLML and RHML .... okay deimos on field switching to em damage.... 40 seconds later, you're either dead or ran away, cause you CANT change ammo types to be effective in 40 seconds. Or you can continue to shoot kinetic at the diemos as it laughs at you until you die.

so eerrm you have both thermal and kinetic resists, and the diemos isn't killing you quick, and the pilot of a diemos can't change damage type.

With a droneboat its literally see whats on the field, go back to pos, get appropriate drones, hope he's continuing to ignore d-scan.

I sense Chessur incoming..

No...

If they want to make a "Missile Guidance Distributor" I'm fine with that but just on principle a module that affects gun turrets shouldn't do anything with missiles. That would be like having Gyrostabilizers boost missile damage and ROF.