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DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
229
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Posted - 2011.11.06 00:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DarkAegix wrote:So you agree, then, that you must be in tears right now? I'm being trolled so hard right now, and am not even realising it.
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Lord Mandelor
Consolidated Holdings War Ensemble.
22
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Posted - 2011.11.06 00:57:00 -
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The age of the stealth bomber is upon us. ConHo Daily: http://conhodaily.blogspot.com Stories ranging from midgets inside your Damage Control to drones becoming self-aware. |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2011.11.06 00:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:well... for ppl that are in jail for mass murder... its very like that... Only until they get a book deal.
ok... but they cant drive that car anymore anywhere... thats the point... |

Zions Child
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 00:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:well... for ppl that are in jail for mass murder... its very like that... Only until they get a book deal.
QFT |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1206
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:01:00 -
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So you still think it's a bad idea, then. WellGǪ thanks again for your unwavering support, I suppose.
Are your really sure you want to call attention to the fact that you're trolling like that, though?
Anyway, why would I be in tears? You never managed to answer that, but keep insinuating that I should be and I don't quite see why. It would probably be a better troll if I did, don't you think? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
182
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:03:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote:Hmm.
I wonder if this is a "two birds with one stone" affair and this is the first step.
First up being that getting Concordokened gave you full insurance never sat well as a concept. So, it now makes more logical sense.
But I wonder if it's tied into the Smuggling that CCP were planning on introducing.
For those not remembering the small details, CCP were going to overhaul the smuggling contraband system for illegal goods and put policing in the hands of the players. I think it was to help players RP the police role and make bounter hunters have a bigger role.
I wonder if CCP are indeed planning on removing Concord or at least, limiting its ability and response times.
They could change it so that what would normally trigger a Concord response gets the killer(s) flagged with a new semi-permanent criminal flag, which can only being lifed on ship destruction (or a pod kill), coupled with having what's left of Concord place bounties on the crims so that the players who partake in policing get a payout for their work.
Could be an interesting mechanic if it's not exploitable.
It would also be a rather excellent bit of game design and restore a lot of faith for me that CCP aren't afraid of rocking the boat and have still got balls.
i doubt concord will be completely removed.......... its necessary to protect noobs from being perma griefed. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
132
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:05:00 -
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Eh... Really? All this rage and tears because you don't get the bloody insurance money for a suicide ship?
I think it makes sense that you don't get insurance for it, but I don't think it makes much of a difference because such ships are cheap to replace anyway.
Unless your usual kind of brand for a suicide rush is a Tengu of course.  |

DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
230
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:So, I'm still assuming terrible ideas, then. WellGǪ That means I need emotional support, I suppose. You are an excellent, handsome troll and your posts are extremely effective at riling me up Anyway, I'm in tears. They're streaming down onto my keyboard, and all of your insinuations are entirely correct. It would probably be a good idea if I stopped posting, don't you think?
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Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:08:00 -
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Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:Singularity has some wonderful new ships and textures and nebulae... yes yes, well and good, but did you notice the new policy that appears to be in effect? Namely:
If you get concorded, you get no insurance payout, period.
for better or for worse it looks like CCP is taking a stand on Suicide ganking, hulk-a-geddon, or market manipulation via proxy war on items, or all of the above.
What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious?
FWIW: i have no horse in this race, but if nothing else it may push those looking for PvP into more desparate measures and might incite some violence in 0.0, and thats always a good thing.
GANKing for ISK is impure!!! GANKING For the sheer joy should be worth that pesky little ISK you lose... come one now... Ganking is not for the money it's for the KM and the happy, happy tears!.... it has to have a cost also or too many people would be enjoying this wonderful sport and that cannot be allowed...
10/10 I support a No Insurance for CONCORDED ships - this works for me!!!!... seperates the wannabies from the TRUE GANKERS... be a man and take it on the wallet for your profession... oh the sweet tears in local... WHAAAAA.... that RAVEN killed my WALLET!!!!... oooh carebears do love the sound of the tears!!!       |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1212
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:08:00 -
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Aidan Brooder wrote:Eh... Really? All this rage and tears because you don't get the bloody insurance money for a suicide ship? No, not really. Largely because there's no rage or tears. Rather, it's just some kind of sigh and eye-roll at CCP ruining the game further for miners and needlessly making highsec safer when it would be served well by a decent increase in danger. Why would I be in tears? I honestly don't get it. If you want to troll me, you need to at least explain that part, or I won't be able to be angry with you GÇö just confused.  Are you trying to rile me up by agreeing with me? Is that it? If so, it's a very weird tacticGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
50
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:09:00 -
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pfft, i forget to insure all the time, this hardly effects me and when I occassionally find a mack to gank ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
132
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Eh... Really? All this rage and tears because you don't get the bloody insurance money for a suicide ship? No, not really. Largely because there's no rage or tears. Rather, it's just some kind of sigh and eye-roll at CCP ruining the game further for miners and needlessly making highsec safer when it would be served well by a decent increase in danger. Why would I be in tears? I honestly don't get it. If you want to troll me, you need to at least explain that part, or I won't be able to be angry with you GÇö just confused. 
They should fix corp wars then, as in: You can't just jump corp. But suicide ganking en masse is lame. Anyone can do it with an alt. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1212
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:15:00 -
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Aidan Brooder wrote:They should fix corp wars then, as in: You can't just jump corp. But suicide ganking en masse is lame. Anyone can do it with an alt. That's the problem: they just did the opposite. The rendered corp wars completely obsolete since you don't even need to jump corp any more to get rid of them.
This leaves ganking as the only available means of attacking people, for whatever reason, and if this change is intentional, they're breaking the balance of that tactic as well. 
Oh wellGǪ with a bit of luck, it's just a bug (and with a bit more luck, they'll reverse that policy change once it gets abused enough). GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
232
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Why am I in tears? I can't control them. You're trolling me into an endless spiral of confusion  You're succeeding in riling me up by leaving me utterly flabbergasted. Is that it? If so, it's a very effective tacticGǪ You're finally starting to see it. I'm leaving now. Hopefully we've all learned something today. I know I have. |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
132
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:They should fix corp wars then, as in: You can't just jump corp. But suicide ganking en masse is lame. Anyone can do it with an alt. That's the problem: they just did the opposite. The rendered corp wars completely obsolete since you don't even need to jump corp any more to get rid of them. This leaves ganking as the only available means of attacking people, for whatever reason, and if this change is intentional, they're breaking the balance of that tactic as well.  Oh wellGǪ with a bit of luck, it's just a bug (and with a bit more luck, they'll reverse that policy change once it gets abused enough).
The suicide tactic is stupid, you have to admit that. And yes, there are human crews on the bigger ships, too. Who cares? And losing the few ISK for a BC ain't the world anyway.
But: Instead they should make better (programatic) rules for corp warfare. And make NPC corp players targets if they hang around for too long. (FW? ) |

Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
2
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:25:00 -
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Before all these furries and mad bot owners get too carried away:
A catalyst can gank a mackinaw RIGHT NOW, before patch boost and who the hell insures destroyers as it is. Trashers will still hunt yo tard bombers and cov ops.
Hauler targets of around 100-ish mil will still be viable with hurricanes even uninsured.
Alpha Battleships are rarely used for less than 200-300 mil but the tier 3 BCs will offset the no insurance cost to the ganker since they be cheaper 
And guess what, Smartbomb ganks are often used for LOLS and you can't put a price on the LOLS.
I do give you one though, hulk ganking with a BC might wear on the wallet but on the positive side, that's why there's dessies and friends or alts.
Now that is placed in perspective... U MAD? |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
1891
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:29:00 -
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I hope this is true. It's something I actually wanted for some time ago, mostly because of the shock when suiciding doesn't actually stop. Oh there will be tears.  
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Handsome Hussein
93
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:32:00 -
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Mag's wrote:I hope this is true. It's something I actually wanted for some time ago, mostly because of the shock when suiciding doesn't actually stop. Oh there will be tears.   This, really. And the complacency of high-seccers will make it even easier. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1212
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:33:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:You're finally starting to see it. Am I? I'm just getting more confused with your trollsGǪ that is what they are, right? You said so before, but maybe that was the trollGǪ
GǪin which case, that's probably the first paradox-meta-troll I've ever seen. Impressive (of a sort). I'm still more confused than riled up, though, and I still don't get what the tears are supposed to be about. 
Aidan Brooder wrote:The suicide tactic is stupid, you have to admit that. And yes, there are human crews on the bigger ships, too. Who cares? And losing the few ISK for a BC ain't the world anyway. I agree that replacing wardecs with mandatory suicide ganks (and then disincentivising those ganks) is pretty stupid. There should definitely be some way of deal with your opponents/enemies/competitors that is more formalised than that.
At the same time, ganks most definitely need to remain as a constant threat for the careless and inattentive.
Quote:But: Instead they should make better (programatic) rules for corp warfare. And make NPC corp players targets if they hang around for too long. (FW? ) WeeeellGǪ I'm not entirely convinced that pushing NPC corpers into some FW-like arrangement is a good way to go. They already pay a hefty price for that membership in terms of what they are allowed to do, and there are were still ways of getting to them. It's not as horrid a solution as forcing them into player corps, but it just seems a bit heavy-handed. I'd rather move in the direction of more restrictions and/or higher costs for a wider range of activities. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Selinate
85
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:38:00 -
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Mag's wrote:I hope this is true. It's something I actually wanted for some time ago, mostly because of the shock when suiciding doesn't actually stop. Oh there will be tears.  
I think most people realize that suicide ganking won't stop because of this, but the world WILL make a little more sense after this change. |
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LuminousAxle
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:41:00 -
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Would this change also act as an isk sink? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1212
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:42:00 -
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LuminousAxle wrote:Would this change also act as an isk sink? Nope. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
1892
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:48:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Mag's wrote:I hope this is true. It's something I actually wanted for some time ago, mostly because of the shock when suiciding doesn't actually stop. Oh there will be tears.   I think most people realize that suicide ganking won't stop because of this, but the world WILL make a little more sense after this change. Please don't try to bring sense into this. We are talking about a game mechanic, not a RL one. Many things in Eve don't make sense, but they are there because it aids the game.
I do actually like this change if true, but not for some ridiculous makes sense argument.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

LuminousAxle
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:LuminousAxle wrote:Would this change also act as an isk sink? Nope.
Ok. But wouldn't this change at least stop new Isk being created by the insurance company after a gank. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1212
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:58:00 -
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LuminousAxle wrote:Ok. But wouldn't this change at least stop new Isk being created by the insurance company after a gank. Yes. It makes a faucet activate ever so slightly less often.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2011.11.06 02:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious? It had better not be, or they'll need to massively nerf CONCORD to make ganking much easier than it is right now.
The only way they could make ganking much easier than it is right now is to have every Thrasher group or Brutix have a big red button on their dashboard that says "press this to asplode a hulk". |

Jenshae Chiroptera
107
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Posted - 2011.11.06 02:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Yes. There's a difference. Griefers get banned. How so?
Tippia wrote:People who punish other players for not fitting their ships properly or for being drunk at the wheel should be rewarded.  How so?
Tippia wrote:It's only one-sided if the victim chooses to make it one-sided by not equipping his ship properly, by not flying it properly, and by not enforcing the consequences on the aggressor. How so?
How so?
How so? CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |

Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
65
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Posted - 2011.11.06 02:05:00 -
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I dont understand the issue? You can still get ganked...you just wont be paid insurance for doing a criminal act. Whats the issue again? |

Hamster Too
No Name Corporation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.06 02:06:00 -
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Anyone claiming that high-sec is safe is talking out of his (or hers) a**...
There is absolutely nothing to stop you from killing anybody, anytime in high-sec. You just have to be prepared to either [a] accept the consequences of engaging in non-consensual combat or [b] spending your time and effort in tricking the target to give you the right to fire without Concord showing up and rudely interrupting you the fun you are having with him.
You don't like people feeling safe? You are free to dispel that feeling at any time. Your unwillingness to pay the price in ISK or effort is not the reason to change the high-sec.
The insurance was a crutch. A thick layer of bubble wrap making sure that the ganker did not get hurt by a failed gank. Its removal will not stop the professionals that are adept at judging the value of potential payout, nor will it stop people ganking for the LOLs. The only people who will be butthurt by it will be the inept ones who were in effect playing EVE in a very easy mode. |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
142
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Posted - 2011.11.06 02:09:00 -
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I'd support removing concord if you could no longer biomass negative sec status and neg sec status wasn't allowed in high sec and trials were weapons locked in HS against players. Then suicide all you want, but farm back up your rep. Imagine playing Donkey Kong where every barrel looks like it hits you. Would you rather I fix the barrels or Kong's shadow?
Welcome to Eve Online where lasers are dumber than barrels! |
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