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Meatbag Pussrocket
Root.
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:20:00 -
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Singularity has some wonderful new ships and textures and nebulae... yes yes, well and good, but did you notice the new policy that appears to be in effect? Namely:
If you get concorded, you get no insurance payout, period.
for better or for worse it looks like CCP is taking a stand on Suicide ganking, hulk-a-geddon, or market manipulation via proxy war on items, or all of the above.
What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious?
FWIW: i have no horse in this race, but if nothing else it may push those looking for PvP into more desparate measures and might incite some violence in 0.0, and thats always a good thing. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:28:00 -
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It will slightly alter what targets people select when they suicide for profit. The affect it will have on suiciding done for LOLs or for strategic reasons is propably even more negligible. |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:37:00 -
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Confirmed.
Thankfully, destroyers are cheap as **** and going to be win after patch, so hulks and **** get no love. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1201
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:37:00 -
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Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious? It had better not be, or they'll need to massively nerf CONCORD to make ganking much easier than it is right now. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:40:00 -
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Wait, you mean Poetic Stanzeil was right? Score one for the tinfoil hatters.
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:41:00 -
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I'm somewhat ambivalent on the issue - it will render highsec botters paradise (not that I though the occasional gank would have discouraged them thus far), but from a gameplay perspective it makes sense - which insurance would pay if you go on an amok-drive and the police wrecks your car? morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
Gazmin VanBurin
Go Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:42:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:It will slightly alter what targets people select when they suicide for profit. The affect it will have on suiciding done for LOLs or for strategic reasons is propably even more negligible.
Conferming that I will still suicide gank expensive targets using SB gangs |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:45:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:from a gameplay perspective it makes sense - which insurance would pay if you go on an amok-drive and the police wrecks your car? From a gameplay perspective, it would also make sense to remove CONCORD and leave that stuff to the faction police forces. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:from a gameplay perspective it makes sense - which insurance would pay if you go on an amok-drive and the police wrecks your car? From a gameplay perspective, it would also make sense to remove CONCORD and leave that stuff to the faction police forces.
Agreed.
Unlikely it's going to happen I'm afraid.
A sad day for eve. morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:49:00 -
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IMHO the removal of insureance payout for conocord related deaths is a logical change and why it wasnt in place at the start i have no idea apart from that i dont think its aimed directly at suicide ganking i can only see a slight decrease in overall ganking and gankers will just be alot more picky at what they go after. |
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:50:00 -
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This is a nice move. Not because it will reduce ganks, but because it wont effect them at all, and it does reduce an isk faucet.
Goon are gonna love this change heh, and the new tears will be epic
SH |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1201
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:51:00 -
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ITTigerClawIK wrote:IMHO the removal of insureance payout for conocord related deaths is a logical change How so?
Quote:i can only see a slight decrease in overall ganking and gankers will just be alot more picky at what they go after. And the question, as always, is why on earth that is needed. If anything, highsec could use an increase in ganks at the moment, because they've become so ridiculously rare over the years.
Stealing Honest wrote:This is a nice move. Not because it will reduce ganks, but because it wont effect them at all, and it does reduce an isk faucet. If they want to reduce the ISK faucets, it would be far better to adjust one of the bigger ones and do a very minute adjustment to it instead GÇö same total effect, but far less impact on those affected. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
110
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:52:00 -
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Right-click - selfdestruct - wait 1:55 - gank - collect insurance.
As of yesterday you did get insurance payout for self-destructing.
If that "loophole" is patched, the change would mainly effect people ganking freighters for profit, therefore increase the maximum "safe" value of cargo to move around in a freighter. |
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:54:00 -
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If this is true, all of 0.0 and lowsec should form the donut and collectively turn on highsec. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:54:00 -
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This is a step in the right direction, AND it does not mean the end of suicide ganking.
If you take out a ship filled with 1 bil worth of faction fits, you should have the risk of losing it in a suicide gank.
If you want to use a ship to suicide gank someone in, you have the consequence of completely losing your ship, and getting no isk back at all. It just doesn't make sense otherwise... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1201
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:54:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Right-click - selfdestruct - wait 1:55 - gank - collect insurance.
As of yesterday you did get insurance payout for self-destructing. That, or make sure you do it on stations or gates in a ship that gets vaporised by the sentry guns before the doughnut boys get there GÇö sentries still leave your insurance intact.
Selinate wrote:This is a step in the right direction What direction is that, and why is it the right one?
Quote:If you want to use a ship to suicide gank someone in, you have the consequence of completely losing your ship, and getting no isk back at all. It just doesn't make sense otherwise... How so? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors
5
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:56:00 -
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It's not going to stop suicide ganking. t1 fit battlecruiser is still only about 30m which really isnt a lot of money. Destroyers and cruisers are even less. my opinion anyway. |
Sadayiel
Inner Conflict
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:56:00 -
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Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:Singularity has some wonderful new ships and textures and nebulae... yes yes, well and good, but did you notice the new policy that appears to be in effect? Namely:
If you get concorded, you get no insurance payout, period.
for better or for worse it looks like CCP is taking a stand on Suicide ganking, hulk-a-geddon, or market manipulation via proxy war on items, or all of the above.
What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious?
FWIW: i have no horse in this race, but if nothing else it may push those looking for PvP into more desparate measures and might incite some violence in 0.0, and thats always a good thing.
Do you really consider suicide gankers are looking for PvP experience?
I think there is a difference with PvP and Grief/Punish other players weak tanked ships in *relatively* safe space |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:58:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:It's not going to stop suicide ganking. t1 fit battlecruiser is still only about 30m which really isnt a lot of money. Destroyers and cruisers are even less. my opinion anyway.
My guess would be that stealthbombers will become far more common in suicide ganks... morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:59:00 -
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Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:If you get concorded, you get no insurance payout, period.
What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious?
I think it won't make a lot of difference really. Gankers will just pick slightly fatter prey and well for ganking Macks you don't need expensive ships anyway.
Still, I'm happy insurance at last starts to make some sense.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1201
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:00:00 -
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Sadayiel wrote:I think there is a difference with PvP and Grief/Punish other players weak tanked ships in *relatively* safe space Yes. There's a difference. Griefers get banned.
People who punish other players for not fitting their ships properly or for being drunk at the wheel should be rewarded. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:from a gameplay perspective it makes sense - which insurance would pay if you go on an amok-drive and the police wrecks your car? From a gameplay perspective, it would also make sense to remove CONCORD and leave that stuff to the faction police forces. Which police force teleports to the scene of the crime, automatically knows who did it, and then instantly kills almost everyone involved?
Must be the same kind of police that won't chase you all over the universe until they permanently remove you from the game for as much as blowing a single ship once.
Anyway if that gets eventually implemented, I will have a drink to CCP. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Selinate
79
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:01:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:It's not going to stop suicide ganking. t1 fit battlecruiser is still only about 30m which really isnt a lot of money. Destroyers and cruisers are even less. my opinion anyway.
Some people do this in a t1 BS though, and can gain the majority of their isk back from that BS through insurance payout. That isn't right. If you find someone floating around in space with a ton of expensive stuff in their cargo hold and want to suicide gank them, fine, but you really shouldn't get the majority of the isk loss from your lost ship back also... It's rather one-sided in favor of the suicide gankers in that case. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1201
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:03:00 -
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Selinate wrote:If you find someone floating around in space with a ton of expensive stuff in their cargo hold and want to suicide gank them, fine, but you really shouldn't get the majority of the isk loss from your lost ship back also... It's rather one-sided in favor of the suicide gankers in that case. It's only one-sided if the victim chooses to make it one-sided by not equipping his ship properly, by not flying it properly, and by not enforcing the consequences on the aggressor. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:14:00 -
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So it finally happened. Oh well.
I am not afraid of this change as much as I am afraid of the precedent this change sets. I shudder to think what the bears will clamor for next, when they realize that their massive gamble did not affect the overall volume of suicide-ganking.
The removal of empire wars and the addition of a pvp flag can't be far behind. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Selinate wrote:If you find someone floating around in space with a ton of expensive stuff in their cargo hold and want to suicide gank them, fine, but you really shouldn't get the majority of the isk loss from your lost ship back also... It's rather one-sided in favor of the suicide gankers in that case. It's only one-sided if the victim chooses to make it one-sided by not equipping his ship properly, by not flying it properly, and by not enforcing the consequences on the aggressor.
Disagree.
If you gank an indy ships that has no kind of defense but they have nothing of any value in their cargo hold then it was your own fault for ganking him in the first place.
If however this person had something of great value then congrats on you for ganking him as it will be worth it.
Hopefully this change will make people choose their targets more carefully and gank those that do travel with valuable cargo and no defense instead of just ganking anybody at random.
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Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Selinate wrote:If you find someone floating around in space with a ton of expensive stuff in their cargo hold and want to suicide gank them, fine, but you really shouldn't get the majority of the isk loss from your lost ship back also... It's rather one-sided in favor of the suicide gankers in that case. It's only one-sided if the victim chooses to make it one-sided by not equipping his ship properly, by not flying it properly, and by not enforcing the consequences on the aggressor.
Freighters? Not much you can do except using an alt to web yourself into warp - a support fleet won't really help. So they still will be ganked if they haul anything worthwile
The real problem is that macro-miners are even safer than they used to be.
This game is in a constant decline - and yes - I actually mine myself in highsec occasionally... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1201
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:16:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:So it finally happened. Oh well.
I am not afraid of this change as much as I am afraid of the precedent this change sets. I shudder to think what the bears will clamor for next, when they realize that their massive gamble did not affect the overall volume of suicide-ganking.
The removal of empire wars and the addition of a pvp flag can't be far behind. That already happened with the policy change allowing dec shields and wardec shedding. Wardecs are 100% consensual these days. So yes, if this turns out not to be a bug, it is indeed heading further down the wrong roadGǪ
Name Family Name wrote:Freighters? Not much you can do except using an alt to web yourself into warp - a support fleet won't really help. GǪin other words, a support fleet will help. Not just by making it easy to travel but also by spotting the gank long before it happens. And even if someone manages to get himself ganked in a freighter, the consequences for the ganker still remain in his hands and it's up to him to ensure that they are enforced. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:So it finally happened. Oh well.
I am not afraid of this change as much as I am afraid of the precedent this change sets. I shudder to think what the bears will clamor for next, when they realize that their massive gamble did not affect the overall volume of suicide-ganking.
The removal of empire wars and the addition of a pvp flag can't be far behind. That already happened with the policy change allowing dec shields and wardec shedding. Wardecs are 100% consensual these days. So yes, if this turns out not to be a bug, it is indeed heading further down the wrong roadGǪ Well, wars are still chugging along, but CCP is definitely treading the razor's edge. One more little nudge, and it will all come crashing down. Here, a little snippet from a mail I received very recently from one of our targets:
A Recent War Target wrote:I would ask you to have your corp remove the dec as you will be wasting your money. I'd like you to look at this thread right here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22792&p=4CCP stated no longer an exploit. So yeah. You can dec every 24 hours, and we jump into alliance and out every 24. Your call. Makes no matter to me. We are still recruiting noobs, and industrial types. I get it that your guy's idea of pvp is to station camp, and blow up noobs with 3 weeks in game and such but I am not feeding you kills to pad your battleclinic stat's. This isn't some learning experience and your not trying to help us. Balls in your court. Drop the dec and you only lose the money once and can likely find some easy target who doesn't know a damn thing about metagmaing or how game mechanics work presently. Or keep the decs rolling and we just keep losing them. Your isk, your choice.
I can't help but wonder how this forest would fare if all the predators disappeared... |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
16
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious? It had better not be, or they'll need to massively nerf CONCORD to make ganking much easier than it is right now.
troll. I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg |
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