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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:08:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Phantom Slave wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Phantom Slave wrote:I'm in favor of this, but only for 1 thing. ISK Faucet is getting turned off. Now it might not be a huge amount, since its generally cheap ships being used, but it's just that much less ISK being created out of thin air.
I do feel bad for the suicide gankers who will have to work harder to find good targets of opportunity though. Best of luck to you all. You wanna turn off the isk faucet? Get rid of missions, incirsuions, Ice and minerals oh and PVP Ice and minerals aren't ISK faucets, as they don't create isk out of thin air. they dont? How you figure? Then Incursions and missions arent either. ISK faucet - any activity which results in a transfer of ISK from a NPC wallet to yours ISK sink - any activity which results in a transfer of ISK out of your wallet and into a NPC's Ice / Minerals do neither of the above. Nor do mission drops. Bounties paid out when you kill a NPC rat do result in ISK being transfered from the NPC's wallet to yours (therefore they are a faucet).
so... turn all high sec rats into drones then yer good
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Banechild
The New Knighthood The Polaris Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:11:00 -
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So how does losing an insurance payout changes anything ? Well it doesn't just because you get 40-60mils less per gank mean nothing, it only means you have to gank some more targets or get more picky with your targets.
And people who cry that this is somehow making high sec more safe. Well it won't, you can still gank all the ships you like but now you have to make isk to replace those ships (like the rest of us) for your "PvP" habits.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:16:00 -
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Banechild wrote:So how does losing an insurance payout changes anything ? Well it doesn't just because you get 40-60mils less per gank mean nothing, it only means you have to gank some more targets or get more picky with your targets.
And people who cry that this is somehow making high sec more safe. Well it won't, you can still gank all the ships you like but now you have to make isk to replace those ships (like the rest of us) for your "PvP" habits.
well like was said earlier. Those gankers that have said tat its not about the insurance for years will be put to he test lol They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
983
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:27:00 -
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Banechild wrote:
And people who cry that this is somehow making high sec more safe.
It certainly won't make hi-sec safer for miners.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Smidsy Honest
They never saw me coming
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:28:00 -
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I'm kinda expecting an increase in suicide ganks when the winter patch hits down. At least short term. I know a few people that are starting to stack up ready for a bit of "you thought this would stop it?" action.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're thinking. Fresh alt, trying to get in quick before insurance is removed. Or maybe it's just a case of brushing up on some ganking? |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:35:00 -
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This change will magically stop groups of arty thrashers. I Support the Goons! |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:39:00 -
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Note to self: drop more isk into the corp wallet this year to fund our yearly Christmas suicide ganking campaign.
Won't change much, just shows CCP's consistent desire to protect carebears more and more and make highsec safer and safer. A shame to see them drifting away from the original intent of the game, but you can't really expect differently when they're trying to expand their player base and bring in the WoW types.
The carebear elation in the thread is kinda funny though. Think I'm gonna take some time off to gank miners in highsec just for the tears after this change goes through and ask miners think they're safer. :D |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:45:00 -
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Don't need the bs's now, we got the tier 3 bc's coming. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Selinate wrote:If you find someone floating around in space with a ton of expensive stuff in their cargo hold and want to suicide gank them, fine, but you really shouldn't get the majority of the isk loss from your lost ship back also... It's rather one-sided in favor of the suicide gankers in that case. It's only one-sided if the victim chooses to make it one-sided by not equipping his ship properly, by not flying it properly, and by not enforcing the consequences on the aggressor.
Yeah, learn to fit your freighters properly noobs! What idiot flies an unfit billion ISK ship??
(That was irony)
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:57:00 -
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GJ CCP A good step in the right direction.
Better would be to remove 'default' insurance payout as well.
Better still would be to remove insurance for self-destruct as well.
Best of all would be to remove insurance for all ships flown by toons> 1 year old. Insurance is stupid and should only benefit noobs in t1's (and you could even create a good RP explanation for that.) |
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Hyacinthous
Sibyl Cadre
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:58:00 -
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You know sometimes people are in the process of picking up fittings or moving between markets and by saying generalizations it just makes you look incredibly stupid.
On topic, they should punish gankers and they should fix the rest of the game as well because honestly this could be a lot better than it is now. If this is broken eve, imagine what a Functional and Good Eve would be like.
This game has much potential, but it is being robbed by greedy people and lowlife scum. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:58:00 -
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what I dont get is theyre putting new ships in the game that are in essence designed to be suicide gankers and then take away insurance... give with one hand take with the other? They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
20
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:03:00 -
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Changes the Charon cargo vally to +1 billion I guess. Hulks are still worth ganking cause a shield boosting one dies to two thrashers before concord kills them and tbh, who pays for insurance on anything smaller then a BS? Whats the ******* point? waste of good ammo money. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
574
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:18:00 -
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"Hey man, could you rep me real quick?"
"Sure!"
*shoots a can*
i am going to have so much ~fun~ |
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:20:00 -
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Wow. All I ever see in these threads are "pvpers" whining about carebears, over and over again. Have a problem with corps escaping wardecs? Try deccing a pvp corp for once instead of a corp full of n00b miners. Have problem with getting insurance taken away for being concorded? Suicide gank anyways. It's not like it got any harder to do. If anything, it will be even easier due to the carebears feeling "safer" now.
Seriously listen to yourselves. A group that is always first to spout "adapt or die" should take their own advice for once. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
574
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:22:00 -
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Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:Wow. All I ever see in these threads are "pvpers" whining about carebears, over and over again. Have a problem with corps escaping wardecs? Try deccing a pvp corp for once instead of a corp full of n00b miners. Have problem with getting insurance taken away for being concorded? Suicide gank anyways. It's not like it got any harder to do. If anything, it will be even easier due to the carebears feeling "safer" now.
Seriously listen to yourselves. A group that is always first to spout "adapt or die" should take their own advice for once.
only the idiots are whining, the rest of us can't wait |
Shade Millith
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
8
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:23:00 -
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Nalia White wrote: CONCORD will act the same,
And this is the problem. CONCORD is still massively buffed.
Suicide ganking has been nerfed over and over and over. This is just another in a long line of nerf intending to make highsec glorious carebear land.
Increase CONCORD's arrival timer by double, that should make up for it. |
Belloche
The Dark Tribe Checkmate.
11
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:24:00 -
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Andski wrote:"Hey man, could you rep me real quick?"
"Sure!"
*shoots a can*
i am going to have so much ~fun~
If I remember correctly, this was fixed in a previous patch. If you are repping someone who then gets a GCC the remote repps automatically shuts down.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:27:00 -
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Bacchanalian wrote:Note to self: drop more isk into the corp wallet this year to fund our yearly Christmas suicide ganking campaign.
Won't change much, just shows CCP's consistent desire to protect carebears more and more and make highsec safer and safer. A shame to see them drifting away from the original intent of the game, but you can't really expect differently when they're trying to expand their player base and bring in the WoW types.
The carebear elation in the thread is kinda funny though. Think I'm gonna take some time off to gank miners in highsec just for the tears after this change goes through and ask miners think they're safer. :D
I think its funny how divisional you are thinking there is carebears in here claiming they will now be safe. No one has said that. It is also amusing to watch you spout off with intentions to try and harvest tears after the change. You say it will change nothing, but say it is a step closer to WoW. I'm confused. One thing for sure that is that suicide banking will no longer produce ISK out of thin air.
In the mean time...
/fills another cup of suicide gankers tears
mmmmmmmm.... |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:32:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tippia wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:So it finally happened. Oh well.
I am not afraid of this change as much as I am afraid of the precedent this change sets. I shudder to think what the bears will clamor for next, when they realize that their massive gamble did not affect the overall volume of suicide-ganking.
The removal of empire wars and the addition of a pvp flag can't be far behind. That already happened with the policy change allowing dec shields and wardec shedding. Wardecs are 100% consensual these days. So yes, if this turns out not to be a bug, it is indeed heading further down the wrong roadGǪ Well, wars are still chugging along, but CCP is definitely treading the razor's edge. One more little nudge, and it will all come crashing down. Here, a little snippet from a mail I received very recently from one of our targets: A Recent War Target wrote:I would ask you to have your corp remove the dec as you will be wasting your money. I'd like you to look at this thread right here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22792&p=4CCP stated no longer an exploit. So yeah. You can dec every 24 hours, and we jump into alliance and out every 24. Your call. Makes no matter to me. We are still recruiting noobs, and industrial types. I get it that your guy's idea of pvp is to station camp, and blow up noobs with 3 weeks in game and such but I am not feeding you kills to pad your battleclinic stat's. This isn't some learning experience and your not trying to help us. Balls in your court. Drop the dec and you only lose the money once and can likely find some easy target who doesn't know a damn thing about metagmaing or how game mechanics work presently. Or keep the decs rolling and we just keep losing them. Your isk, your choice. I can't help but wonder how this forest would fare if all the predators disappeared...
My 2 isk - Empire wars and most empire pvp has largely been a consenusal affair for a considerable period of time. If wars are to be made viable, the target of the war has to feel that they have some stake in the fight. As long as the target of the war has nothing to lose then there is simply no reason for them to want to stay and fight. Pos are not the answer in this respect because they are too easy to take down before the war even begins. Personally, to make wars viable I think ccp needs to add a little piece of null sov to empire space. People need to be able to own stuff that they can lose during a war. Otherwise wars are going to be fail because the targets will not participate, i.e. switch, corps, dock up for the duration, etc...
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Aggressive Nutmeg
24
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:51:00 -
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I think most of us define a 'carebear' as someone who engages in activity within EVE that has little or no risk attached to it. By that definition you'd have to say suicide ganking is probably the ultimate carebear activity. Removal of insurance helps, but suicide ganking is still pretty cheap.
Miners take a huge risk every time they undock their Hulks. Hisec is crawling with carebear suicide gankers.
But I'd be happy to see CONCORD removed. The idea that CONCORD can magically appear anywhere in empire and instantly catch and kill the 'baddies' is a bit far-fetched.
But it is also far-fetched that any 'baddy' can suicide gank an innocent ship quite cheaply and then magically get re-born, without suspension or gaol time, to go ahead and kill the next innocent ship.
Empire can be just as safe if we fix the above stupid game mechanics. Very few players are going to REGULARLY gank innocents if it means their character will be suspended (in some way) for a period of time - and then perhaps be 'shadowed' by the faction police when they're released on parole. :) |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:54:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tippia wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:So it finally happened. Oh well.
I am not afraid of this change as much as I am afraid of the precedent this change sets. I shudder to think what the bears will clamor for next, when they realize that their massive gamble did not affect the overall volume of suicide-ganking.
The removal of empire wars and the addition of a pvp flag can't be far behind. That already happened with the policy change allowing dec shields and wardec shedding. Wardecs are 100% consensual these days. So yes, if this turns out not to be a bug, it is indeed heading further down the wrong roadGǪ Well, wars are still chugging along, but CCP is definitely treading the razor's edge. One more little nudge, and it will all come crashing down. Here, a little snippet from a mail I received very recently from one of our targets: A Recent War Target wrote:I would ask you to have your corp remove the dec as you will be wasting your money. I'd like you to look at this thread right here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22792&p=4CCP stated no longer an exploit. So yeah. You can dec every 24 hours, and we jump into alliance and out every 24. Your call. Makes no matter to me. We are still recruiting noobs, and industrial types. I get it that your guy's idea of pvp is to station camp, and blow up noobs with 3 weeks in game and such but I am not feeding you kills to pad your battleclinic stat's. This isn't some learning experience and your not trying to help us. Balls in your court. Drop the dec and you only lose the money once and can likely find some easy target who doesn't know a damn thing about metagmaing or how game mechanics work presently. Or keep the decs rolling and we just keep losing them. Your isk, your choice. I can't help but wonder how this forest would fare if all the predators disappeared... My 2 isk - Empire wars and most empire pvp has largely been a consenusal affair for a considerable period of time. If wars are to be made viable, the target of the war has to feel that they have some stake in the fight. As long as the target of the war has nothing to lose then there is simply no reason for them to want to stay and fight. Pos are not the answer in this respect because they are too easy to take down before the war even begins. Personally, to make wars viable I think ccp needs to add a little piece of null sov to empire space. People need to be able to own stuff that they can lose during a war. Otherwise wars are going to be fail because the targets will not participate, i.e. switch, corps, dock up for the duration, etc... This. Precisely. The reason HiSeccers do not war is there is nothing to fight over. Changes in the mechanics of insurance or Concord (and tarded attempts to change their minds through ganking) do not affect this dynamic. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
575
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:55:00 -
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Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:I think most of us define a 'carebear' as someone who engages in activity within EVE that has little or no risk attached to it. By that definition you'd have to say suicide ganking is probably the ultimate carebear activity. Removal of insurance helps, but suicide ganking is still pretty cheap.
Miners take a huge risk every time they undock their Hulks. Hisec is crawling with carebear suicide gankers.
But I'd be happy to see CONCORD removed. The idea that CONCORD can magically appear anywhere in empire and instantly catch and kill the 'baddies' is a bit far-fetched.
But it is also far-fetched that any 'baddy' can suicide gank an innocent ship quite cheaply and then magically get re-born, without suspension or gaol time, to go ahead and kill the next innocent ship.
Empire can be just as safe if we fix the above stupid game mechanics. Very few players are going to REGULARLY gank innocents if it means their character will be suspended (in some way) for a period of time - and then perhaps be 'shadowed' by the faction police when they're released on parole. :)
"high-sec is not intended to be safe" |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2011.11.07 00:10:00 -
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Smidsy Honest wrote:I'm kinda expecting an increase in suicide ganks when the winter patch hits down. At least short term. I know a few people that are starting to stack up ready for a bit of "you thought this would stop it?" action. I suspect this will be more a case of idiots having to prove they can still cause misery and grief to players so they can saciate their own sadistic desires. I am certain they'll ramp up their suicide ganks because they have some macho stuff to prove.
This is a small symbolic victory for miners (ie carebears) which means it's a huge kick in the nuts to the Schadenfreude bunch. In a sense their "tear-collecting" flow has been slightly reduced and they will make noise and cry lots of tears to make themselves heard and attention be paid. So yes, I expect misery to beget company. |
baltec1
178
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Posted - 2011.11.07 00:17:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Smidsy Honest wrote:I'm kinda expecting an increase in suicide ganks when the winter patch hits down. At least short term. I know a few people that are starting to stack up ready for a bit of "you thought this would stop it?" action. I suspect this will be more a case of idiots having to prove they can still cause misery and grief to players so they can saciate their own sadistic desires. I am certain they'll ramp up their suicide ganks because they have some macho stuff to prove. This is a small symbolic victory for miners (ie carebears) which means it's a huge kick in the nuts to the Schadenfreude bunch. In a sense their "tear-collecting" flow has been slightly reduced and they will make noise and cry lots of tears to make themselves heard and attention be paid. So yes, I expect misery to beget company.
wow...
man are you a bitter one. |
baltec1
178
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Posted - 2011.11.07 00:44:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Silly goon. You gank for the "lulz" dontcha? Grief play and misery make you happy. And you are planning to ramp up suicides, aren't you? Nothing bitter about these truths. But I see what you are trying to do .
Nah I gank for isk, the tears are just a bonus. If ganks are going to go up them my investment in more thrasher and med neutron blaster BPOs will bring me even more profits. I may even get a retriever BPO in time for hulkageddon |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2011.11.07 00:50:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
My 2 isk - Empire wars and most empire pvp has largely been a consenusal affair for a considerable period of time.
Yeah, all you had to do was dock up a while, if that got TOO long, you put on a long skill an played world of tanks or something for a few days. Not like wardecs ever were the end all be all of empire nonconsentual pvp lol. I never saw ppl qq about making docking up a exploit like they do about decshield
Andski wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:I think most of us define a 'carebear' as someone who engages in activity within EVE that has little or no risk attached to it. By that definition you'd have to say suicide ganking is probably the ultimate carebear activity. Removal of insurance helps, but suicide ganking is still pretty cheap.
Miners take a huge risk every time they undock their Hulks. Hisec is crawling with carebear suicide gankers.
But I'd be happy to see CONCORD removed. The idea that CONCORD can magically appear anywhere in empire and instantly catch and kill the 'baddies' is a bit far-fetched.
But it is also far-fetched that any 'baddy' can suicide gank an innocent ship quite cheaply and then magically get re-born, without suspension or gaol time, to go ahead and kill the next innocent ship.
Empire can be just as safe if we fix the above stupid game mechanics. Very few players are going to REGULARLY gank innocents if it means their character will be suspended (in some way) for a period of time - and then perhaps be 'shadowed' by the faction police when they're released on parole. :) "high-sec is not intended to be safe"
apparently CCP disagrees now
Plus, you guys should be happy as hell, youre getting CCP to break the game FOR you like Goons have been trying to do like forever
"Grief play and misery make you happy."
lol find any definition of this in EVE
It basically doesnt exist
Unless you can flip in a starter system oooo then watch out. They put it in the EULA (or somesuch) an everything lol They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
26
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Posted - 2011.11.07 00:53:00 -
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Wow, holy threadnaught batman!
There one thing people seem to have forgotten though. Firstly, it's on the test server, ok. All that means is that they know they can do it. Secondly, CCP hasn't mentioned this at all. Not one word. So even though it's unlikely, this change may not go live.
Even so, I think it's pure irony that Ankhesentapemkah isn't here to see this. Have you noticed how some ships are actually blue? Weird isn't it? |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2011.11.07 00:58:00 -
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Fille Balle wrote:Wow, holy threadnaught batman! .
wow THAT definition has fallen
18 pages is not a TN lol
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Gealla
Capital Storm. Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.07 01:05:00 -
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Cpt Fina wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:Cpt Fina wrote:Terrible change.
CCPs dogma "No space is safe" is only true aslong as nobody is complaining about it on the forums. High sec isn't completely safe. Point is that CCP is willingly bending over and taking it in the rear when they constantly give in to the preassure from the playerbase and changes what is seen as truisms of the game. What are principles good for if you abandom them when things get rough? Eve online is a special, unique MMORPG to the enxtent that we the playerbase allows it to be... and that's bullshit. What's next GÇô instanced missions or PvP arenas. PvP flags maybe?
Probably, if CCP's goal is to increase the eve playerbase numbers to the point where it once again afford to diversify into other title production, so all of thier eggs aren't in the same proverbial basket, then catering to the casual masses is the only way to go.
Wow may not be hard core sandbox like eve, but it has over 11million paying subs....something ccp is sure to have noticed. The cold hard business facts are, cater to the majority if you want to make money, the minority will either adapt or find something else.
Having there business direction dictated to them by a bunch of online gamers who suddenly decided to unsub etc due to incarna will have, if nothing else, opened their eyes to the pitfalls of catering to the minority..
tldr - Eve will go casual, so ccp can grow. |
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