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Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.20 14:25:00 - [151] Originally by: Oberon Oblique Drum roll pls.... Change harpoints to 5/5 insted of 4/4 Bonus: 5% missiles and projetile ROF per lvl 5% velocity bonus per lvl QFT. if 5/5 becomes too uber then nerf it later. Typh0on deserves its time in the sun. 7.5% missiles and projetile ROF per lvl Target Painters: Signature and velocity are part of the same equation. A cheap Stasis Webbifier I has DOUBLE (75%) the effect of a maxed T2 TP. Basic BS is not a support ship and should not have supporting styled bonuses anyway ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.20 14:32:00 - [152] Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 20/03/2006 14:35:05 Originally by: Alupigus1 The most logical change will be dropping turrets optimal for some speed and agility and maybe one more turret slot.. plus switching armor with shields. Any missiles rof (7.5% minimum per level) will be useless without at least 4/5 layout, still crappy though. As a message for CCP, if you do change it make it worth.. or let it be. Phoon doesn't need any bonus to projectiles. It isn't that good of a gun ship to begin with. ACs do not need a RoF bonus with only 4 guns unless its enough to compete with 6 guns on the tempest. Speed increases on a 4/4 ship have to make sure it will help BOTH weapon systems and thier bonus. Right now a RoF bonus to projectiles + a speed bonus would imho suck. It would have to be a missile bonus. To drop the gun bonus for a complete 1 weapon system bonus you would have to have 10% as the speed wouldn't be 'that' great if a cyclone could come close you your damage profile from your high slots. Going to a 5/5 or 5/4 or 4/5 is retardedly asking too much. It is obvious by them only looking into a missile bonus. So, by giving us a 10% bonus to cruise and siege on a 5% bonus to speed, which benefits missiles much, much more than ACs, they could give us something that wouldn't out perform a raven, yet is well defined in its own right as a missile ship. We can use ACs at their stock numbers wich will cut back on ammo use and add secondary DoT. It makes d.425mm IIs manageable, afterall fitting ammo and missiles is askign a super model to eat a whole newyork cheesecake. The phoon would stand out on its own and have a worth while damage profile. It would seriously shine as a versatile ship no other ship could clame in EVE without being grossly imbalanced the moment a Jim Raynor stepped into it. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.03.20 14:40:00 - [153] Edited by: KilROCK on 20/03/2006 14:41:08 Lame. Turn typhoon into a missile boat without any projectile bonuses left and you're one hell of a fool.. And to top it off, you use a typhoon for npcing, so no wonder you want to change it into a poor, raven. Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.20 14:49:00 - [154] Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 20/03/2006 14:41:08 Lame. Turn typhoon into a missile boat without any projectile bonuses left and you're one hell of a fool.. And to top it off, you use a typhoon for npcing, so no wonder you want to change it into a poor, raven. excuse me? My Typhoon has seen more pvp then NPC in its lifetime. I've NPC'ed with it 2,3 times and just got lvl 4 missions last month... after 2 years of having it. I have sat in missions with other people for maybe 20 missions at most and they were with jide when lvl 4s were brand spanking new. Stop trying to tell others their career history. You are not the definitive of minmatar fighting. You didn't give any numbers to back up your rebuttle. It was a personal attack. I NPC IN A PROPHECY!!! Anyone that knows me will raise their hand to that. I have done 2 lvl 4 missions of my own agent with my Typhoon. Sir, don't label me. If I want to use projectiles, which 1/3 of my SP investment belong too... I will fly a tempest. If I want to fly a Raven... sir... I will fly a raven. Moreover, I think missiles for NPC is a waste of isk. That is what lasers are for. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Leandro Salazar	Posted - 2006.03.20 16:02:00 - [155] I admit to using the Typhoon for PvE (Even though only for those missions that put me at serious risk of being PvPed). That does not make my wish for a missile and drone bonus rather than proj any less valid, does it? Just because you are a high and mighty oh so important PvPer does not mean CCP does not have to consider the other avenues this game offers. Hate to burst your bubble, but this game revolves neither only around you nor only around PvP combat. ___________________________________ Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?
Tulthix	Posted - 2006.03.20 16:07:00 - [156] I don't get the point of the Typhoon. Its the "hey i spent 2 years skilling for this ship and now its up to par with the 6month skilled other battleships" ship.
cy4n1d3	Posted - 2006.03.20 16:34:00 - [157] Edited by: cy4n1d3 on 20/03/2006 16:35:11 you guys are retarded. the phoon already holds its own, has plenty of grid, and the missile rof bonus will make it insane. you just need good skills. try 4xdual 425 2's and 4xarb sieges and 5x t2 heavy drones. you have plenty of room for a cap injector and a great armor tank and a couple BCS 2's. how about a faction version of it with an extra mid slot and more armor?
Wizie	Posted - 2006.03.20 16:49:00 - [158] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 20/03/2006 14:41:08 Lame. Turn typhoon into a missile boat without any projectile bonuses left and you're one hell of a fool.. And to top it off, you use a typhoon for npcing, so no wonder you want to change it into a poor, raven. excuse me? My Typhoon has seen more pvp then NPC in its lifetime. I've NPC'ed with it 2,3 times and just got lvl 4 missions last month... after 2 years of having it. I have sat in missions with other people for maybe 20 missions at most and they were with jide when lvl 4s were brand spanking new. Stop trying to tell others their career history. You are not the definitive of minmatar fighting. You didn't give any numbers to back up your rebuttle. It was a personal attack. I NPC IN A PROPHECY!!! Anyone that knows me will raise their hand to that. I have done 2 lvl 4 missions of my own agent with my Typhoon. Sir, don't label me. If I want to use projectiles, which 1/3 of my SP investment belong too... I will fly a tempest. If I want to fly a Raven... sir... I will fly a raven. Moreover, I think missiles for NPC is a waste of isk. That is what lasers are for. I remember your response on my thread regarding tech II ammo type.. it was a 1 liner that did nothing to rebutt the points I had made... "sir"... Pfft pot meet kettle. I agree with KR.
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.03.20 16:58:00 - [159] Originally by: cy4n1d3 Edited by: cy4n1d3 on 20/03/2006 16:35:11 you guys are retarded. the phoon already holds its own, has plenty of grid, and the missile rof bonus will make it insane. you just need good skills. try 4xdual 425 2's and 4xarb sieges and 5x t2 heavy drones. you have plenty of room for a cap injector and a great armor tank and a couple BCS 2's. how about a faction version of it with an extra mid slot and more armor? You have power grid to fit that all in??
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.03.20 16:59:00 - [160] Originally by: cy4n1d3 Edited by: cy4n1d3 on 20/03/2006 16:35:11 you guys are retarded. the phoon already holds its own, has plenty of grid, and the missile rof bonus will make it insane. you just need good skills. try 4xdual 425 2's and 4xarb sieges and 5x t2 heavy drones. you have plenty of room for a cap injector and a great armor tank and a couple BCS 2's. how about a faction version of it with an extra mid slot and more armor? In which world is this, where you can fit that and still have a 'great' armour tank and a 'couple' of BCUs? 2x BCU and 1x RCU (to fit anything in your armour tank after you fit your mids) leaves you with a 4 slot armour tank. Hardly great.... Yes, it does hold its own, but then so does any ship in the game that's considered 'bad'. Just because they can kill people, doesn't mean they dont need looking at. There used to be a sig here, but I got bored of it.

Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.03.20 16:59:00 - [161] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: cy4n1d3 Edited by: cy4n1d3 on 20/03/2006 16:35:11 you guys are retarded. the phoon already holds its own, has plenty of grid, and the missile rof bonus will make it insane. you just need good skills. try 4xdual 425 2's and 4xarb sieges and 5x t2 heavy drones. you have plenty of room for a cap injector and a great armor tank and a couple BCS 2's. how about a faction version of it with an extra mid slot and more armor? You have power grid to fit that all in?? Someone else noticed, then :P As I keep saying. This new 'improved' Phoon will be a fine ship, as long as it gets another 2k grid. There used to be a sig here, but I got bored of it.
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.03.20 17:01:00 - [162] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: cy4n1d3 Edited by: cy4n1d3 on 20/03/2006 16:35:11 you guys are retarded. the phoon already holds its own, has plenty of grid, and the missile rof bonus will make it insane. you just need good skills. try 4xdual 425 2's and 4xarb sieges and 5x t2 heavy drones. you have plenty of room for a cap injector and a great armor tank and a couple BCS 2's. how about a faction version of it with an extra mid slot and more armor? You have power grid to fit that all in?? Someone else noticed, then :P As I keep saying. This new 'improved' Phoon will be a fine ship, as long as it gets another 2k grid. QFT. I'm sick of using up my wonderful 7 low slots to increase powergrid. sgb
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.20 18:15:00 - [163] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 20/03/2006 14:41:08 Lame. Turn typhoon into a missile boat without any projectile bonuses left and you're one hell of a fool.. And to top it off, you use a typhoon for npcing, so no wonder you want to change it into a poor, raven. excuse me? My Typhoon has seen more pvp then NPC in its lifetime. I've NPC'ed with it 2,3 times and just got lvl 4 missions last month... after 2 years of having it. I have sat in missions with other people for maybe 20 missions at most and they were with jide when lvl 4s were brand spanking new. Stop trying to tell others their career history. You are not the definitive of minmatar fighting. You didn't give any numbers to back up your rebuttle. It was a personal attack. I NPC IN A PROPHECY!!! Anyone that knows me will raise their hand to that. I have done 2 lvl 4 missions of my own agent with my Typhoon. Sir, don't label me. If I want to use projectiles, which 1/3 of my SP investment belong too... I will fly a tempest. If I want to fly a Raven... sir... I will fly a raven. Moreover, I think missiles for NPC is a waste of isk. That is what lasers are for. I remember your response on my thread regarding tech II ammo type.. it was a 1 liner that did nothing to rebutt the points I had made... "sir"... Pfft pot meet kettle. I agree with KR. You agree with him about me, or about the ship? Because if you agree with him about me... you are the fool as he is. You spend 1 week and a half doing missions in Gulfonodi trying to score a lvl 4 agent and you get labeled a mission runner... sir you don't know me nor do you know what accounts I run. Some posts come off funny, and over the top... you feel that way about something I post then laugh at it, do a 1 liner, get your knuckle punch in. But KR has been doing it over and over to me the last months because he saw a fellow forum wh@re in the system he was in in a ship that she don't fly often. Both of you can kiss it. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.20 18:17:00 - [164] Originally by: cy4n1d3 Edited by: cy4n1d3 on 20/03/2006 16:35:11 you guys are retarded. the phoon already holds its own, has plenty of grid, and the missile rof bonus will make it insane. you just need good skills. try 4xdual 425 2's and 4xarb sieges and 5x t2 heavy drones. you have plenty of room for a cap injector and a great armor tank and a couple BCS 2's. how about a faction version of it with an extra mid slot and more armor? Since when do you have enough cargo space to fit torpedos, L Proj Ammo, and spare cap injectors? That ship lives in a logistic word's nightmare. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.03.20 18:47:00 - [165] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 20/03/2006 14:41:08 Lame. Turn typhoon into a missile boat without any projectile bonuses left and you're one hell of a fool.. And to top it off, you use a typhoon for npcing, so no wonder you want to change it into a poor, raven. excuse me? My Typhoon has seen more pvp then NPC in its lifetime. I've NPC'ed with it 2,3 times and just got lvl 4 missions last month... after 2 years of having it. I have sat in missions with other people for maybe 20 missions at most and they were with jide when lvl 4s were brand spanking new. Stop trying to tell others their career history. You are not the definitive of minmatar fighting. You didn't give any numbers to back up your rebuttle. It was a personal attack. I NPC IN A PROPHECY!!! Anyone that knows me will raise their hand to that. I have done 2 lvl 4 missions of my own agent with my Typhoon. Sir, don't label me. If I want to use projectiles, which 1/3 of my SP investment belong too... I will fly a tempest. If I want to fly a Raven... sir... I will fly a raven. Moreover, I think missiles for NPC is a waste of isk. That is what lasers are for. I remember your response on my thread regarding tech II ammo type.. it was a 1 liner that did nothing to rebutt the points I had made... "sir"... Pfft pot meet kettle. I agree with KR. You agree with him about me, or about the ship? Because if you agree with him about me... you are the fool as he is. You spend 1 week and a half doing missions in Gulfonodi trying to score a lvl 4 agent and you get labeled a mission runner... sir you don't know me nor do you know what accounts I run. Some posts come off funny, and over the top... you feel that way about something I post then laugh at it, do a 1 liner, get your knuckle punch in. But KR has been doing it over and over to me the last months because he saw a fellow forum wh@re in the system he was in in a ship that she don't fly often. Both of you can kiss it. Lol, Paranoid mumbling right there. It isn't all about you Originally by: Ithildin Q: Will the Gallente ship have lots of missiles? I think it's time. A: Die. You are not
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.20 18:55:00 - [166] now now children
Wizie	Posted - 2006.03.20 19:10:00 - [167] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 20/03/2006 14:41:08 Lame. Turn typhoon into a missile boat without any projectile bonuses left and you're one hell of a fool.. And to top it off, you use a typhoon for npcing, so no wonder you want to change it into a poor, raven. excuse me? My Typhoon has seen more pvp then NPC in its lifetime. I've NPC'ed with it 2,3 times and just got lvl 4 missions last month... after 2 years of having it. I have sat in missions with other people for maybe 20 missions at most and they were with jide when lvl 4s were brand spanking new. Stop trying to tell others their career history. You are not the definitive of minmatar fighting. You didn't give any numbers to back up your rebuttle. It was a personal attack. I NPC IN A PROPHECY!!! Anyone that knows me will raise their hand to that. I have done 2 lvl 4 missions of my own agent with my Typhoon. Sir, don't label me. If I want to use projectiles, which 1/3 of my SP investment belong too... I will fly a tempest. If I want to fly a Raven... sir... I will fly a raven. Moreover, I think missiles for NPC is a waste of isk. That is what lasers are for. I remember your response on my thread regarding tech II ammo type.. it was a 1 liner that did nothing to rebutt the points I had made... "sir"... Pfft pot meet kettle. I agree with KR. You agree with him about me, or about the ship? Because if you agree with him about me... you are the fool as he is. You spend 1 week and a half doing missions in Gulfonodi trying to score a lvl 4 agent and you get labeled a mission runner... sir you don't know me nor do you know what accounts I run. Some posts come off funny, and over the top... you feel that way about something I post then laugh at it, do a 1 liner, get your knuckle punch in. But KR has been doing it over and over to me the last months because he saw a fellow forum wh@re in the system he was in in a ship that she don't fly often. Both of you can kiss it. Personal insults.. thats brilliant. Anyhow, my opinion about you was formed on your 1 liner response to my request to have autocannon ammo get looked at. But this last post has only helped solidify that. I agree with KRs ideas on the Phoon.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.20 20:50:00 - [168] Well when you go from pvp to NPC as Minmatar typically you swap your nosferatus for siege launchers. So when folks hear 4xguns 4xsiege, naturally they think NPC because if you point that setup at any respectable pilot you may as well be making plans for your insurance payout. Truth: Most of the people that bother to pvp in Typhoon would not benefit at all from a missile bonus. My missiles skills are poor and I only briefly entertained them to bring use to the useless Hound. I'll train missiles when i get done with armor/shields/mw/cpu/speed/cap/guns/etc... all of which make more difference to minmatar than missiles. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Severa Crest	Posted - 2006.03.20 22:04:00 - [169] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: cy4n1d3 Edited by: cy4n1d3 on 20/03/2006 16:35:11 you guys are retarded. the phoon already holds its own, has plenty of grid, and the missile rof bonus will make it insane. you just need good skills. try 4xdual 425 2's and 4xarb sieges and 5x t2 heavy drones. you have plenty of room for a cap injector and a great armor tank and a couple BCS 2's. how about a faction version of it with an extra mid slot and more armor? You have power grid to fit that all in?? Someone else noticed, then :P As I keep saying. This new 'improved' Phoon will be a fine ship, as long as it gets another 2k grid. Correct, tried fitting one with a dual rep tank, cap injector, and an AB and after that theres not enough PG for 4 cruise and and 4 425s.
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.03.20 23:00:00 - [170] Edited by: Pesadel0 on 20/03/2006 23:01:34 Originally by: Oberon Oblique Drum roll pls.... Change harpoints to 5/5 insted of 4/4 Bonus: 5% missiles and projetile ROF per lvl 5% velocity bonus per lvl Its still a flying trashcan, but you can get your funk on! Say you want it.. Seems cool to me the phoon keeps its funkinest and becomes a wildcard on the battle field ;)

Kashre	Posted - 2006.03.21 05:57:00 - [171] Originally by: Imhotep Khem Truth: Most of the people that bother to pvp in Typhoon would not benefit at all from a missile bonus. My missiles skills are poor and I only briefly entertained them to bring use to the useless Hound. I'll train missiles when i get done with armor/shields/mw/cpu/speed/cap/guns/etc... all of which make more difference to minmatar than missiles. Originally by: Imhotep Khem Well when you go from pvp to NPC as Minmatar typically you swap your nosferatus for siege launchers. So when folks hear 4xguns 4xsiege, naturally they think NPC because if you point that setup at any respectable pilot you may as well be making plans for your insurance payout. Truth: Most of the people that bother to pvp in Typhoon would not benefit at all from a missile bonus. My missiles skills are poor and I only briefly entertained them to bring use to the useless Hound. I'll train missiles when i get done with armor/shields/mw/cpu/speed/cap/guns/etc... all of which make more difference to minmatar than missiles. Thats probably not as true as you might think. Now a days, minmatar PvP revolvs around the tempest and it is deffinately a gunship, but long long ago projectiles were so crappy no one ever used them... back then all the "good" setups I had for a tempest even had 4 siege cause torps outdamaged 1400s even with good skills in gunnery (for the time), and they were the uber anti-frigate weapon. Id be willing to bet that a large number of the older minmatar pilots have as many missile SP as I do. +++ It's called "low security space" for a reason.
Valdor Hag	Posted - 2006.03.21 11:02:00 - [172] If you want a raven go fly a Raven, leave the Typhoon alone. Minmatar is about guns, if missiles are your thing go play with Caldari ships by all means. However, leave the Typhoon alone. If I wanted to do missiles, I would have gone with a missile race! Why is it that most of the people in here propagating these missile skills for the Typhoon arenÆt even Minmataar? What is it to you whether we have an ac ship in the Tempest or long range ship for that matter? If I wanted to make the typhoon an AC ship what is it to you? Are trying to convince me that I have to get large projectiles purely for one ship? Why do I, now have to go and get my missile skills up as well, to fly my favourite ship? This is like telling all the Raven pilots they need large artillery to fly their Ravens even though they don't want it or need it!! May I suggest we add Large artily bonus to the Raven? Moreover, while were at it letÆs split it 4/4 as well I donÆt think you Caldari would like that now would you? So leave the Minmitar ships alone. Let the DevÆs give it the bonuses that they want but for heavens sake stop propagating missiles. Every time the Minmatar hear that word we get shafted so stop it please.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.21 11:03:00 - [173] Originally by: Kashre Originally by: Imhotep Khem Truth: Most of the people that bother to pvp in Typhoon would not benefit at all from a missile bonus. My missiles skills are poor and I only briefly entertained them to bring use to the useless Hound. I'll train missiles when i get done with armor/shields/mw/cpu/speed/cap/guns/etc... all of which make more difference to minmatar than missiles. Originally by: Imhotep Khem Well when you go from pvp to NPC as Minmatar typically you swap your nosferatus for siege launchers. So when folks hear 4xguns 4xsiege, naturally they think NPC because if you point that setup at any respectable pilot you may as well be making plans for your insurance payout. Truth: Most of the people that bother to pvp in Typhoon would not benefit at all from a missile bonus. My missiles skills are poor and I only briefly entertained them to bring use to the useless Hound. I'll train missiles when i get done with armor/shields/mw/cpu/speed/cap/guns/etc... all of which make more difference to minmatar than missiles. Thats probably not as true as you might think. Now a days, minmatar PvP revolvs around the tempest and it is deffinately a gunship, but long long ago projectiles were so crappy no one ever used them... back then all the "good" setups I had for a tempest even had 4 siege cause torps outdamaged 1400s even with good skills in gunnery (for the time), and they were the uber anti-frigate weapon. Id be willing to bet that a large number of the older minmatar pilots have as many missile SP as I do. but back then my 1million SP in missles were more than enough
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.03.21 11:08:00 - [174] missile ROF is fine. thanks Tux! i agree there are some fitting issues, but bonuses are fine now for a tier 1 BS, it got a very nice dps bonus now. cant wait to test it --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.21 11:12:00 - [175] Originally by: MissileRus missile ROF is fine. thanks Tux! i agree there are some fitting issues, but bonuses are fine now for a tier 1 BS, it got a very nice dps bonus now. cant wait to test it it has a single damage bonus, really great
Veriane	Posted - 2006.03.21 11:13:00 - [176] poor Nafri, going to have to hold off on Large projectile spec 5 then ?
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.03.21 11:29:00 - [177] Originally by: Nafri but back then my 1million SP in missles were more than enough So fricking true. /me stops training gunnery skills and goes to find some missiles ones. sgb P.S. i actually quite like that 4/4 setup for the new phoon, should give out a decent dps since it uses all 8 slots, unlike many of the other bs out there. sgb
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:29:00 - [178] Originally by: smallgreenblur Originally by: Nafri but back then my 1million SP in missles were more than enough So fricking true. /me stops training gunnery skills and goes to find some missiles ones. sgb P.S. i actually quite like that 4/4 setup for the new phoon, should give out a decent dps since it uses all 8 slots, unlike many of the other bs out there. sgb Back in the days of the 1400 apocs? Or when we had to whine a 20 page tempest thread, to receive the boost to 1400 ? I know the devs have alot of work but some things take so long it ,seems its eternal .. Make the typhhon the last hope,when last hope is activated ,phoon has 20 seconds then it selfdestructs doing massive damage in a 15Km radius. BOnus: 5% to afterburner velocity 5% to armor repairer velocity.
Bob ThePlumber	Posted - 2006.03.21 15:00:00 - [179] since im training torpedos lvl5 for the naglfar (another lousy split weapon systems ship) i figured i'd take another look at the typhoon with T2 siege and T2 autos...it doesnt work, to fit the guns and a reasonable armor tank, i have to put on atleast 1 co-procesor and RCU II, making the tank NOT reasonable, 5 slot tanks dont work for BSs, its the reason the tempest cant shield tank for ****. if you want the typhoon to be worth using, you have to do more the change the bonus, that is only 1 part of the whole mess...but since the minmatar race is the laughing stock at CCP, i wouldnt expect any such changes to make it a useable ship.
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.03.21 15:18:00 - [180] 6 Hislots, only turrets, half dronebay 10% falloff, 5% proj. damage switch armor with shield -------------------------------- I am G and i am IRON - as we all are brothers in arms and times of need.



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