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Valkazm	Posted - 2006.03.20 02:54:00 - [331] OMG .. file a petition and close the topic as the Devs stated in vegas not all people even read the forums or even post here .. There not gonna change anything .. but go aheed and cry about it .. Feel sorry for anyone that is new to the game to go to general and see this useless topic about bickering back and forth and saying the same things in a diffrent content thats all your doing .. here is a recap goonfleet and maya think sniping is bad .. some others dont .. Rabble Rabble .. or make a chatt and you can chatt about it all day .. seriously how long are you gonna go on about it your points are made both ways .. and in the meanwhile im gonna work on a sniper since im right next to jericho fraction lets see if its removed by the time i have everything set
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.20 02:56:00 - [332] "It was - with 25% tracking you will have a lot of misses if you would try sniping yourself." Oh heck, because am bored: 425 mm rail II, megathron bonus, 2x tracking computers. * loaded with high damage tech.2 ammo optimal: 47610, falloff: 30 km, tracking: 0.019062 best chance to hit a 125 m large target moving at 250 m/sec transversal (a cruiser) is: 64% at 56 km range. * loaded with long range tech.2 ammo optimal: 190440, falloff: 30 km, tracking: 0.006354 best chance to hit a 125 m large target moving at 250 m/sec transversal is: 74% at 192 km plugging in the raw damage values for Javelin and Spike ammo you get: 14.06 dps for high damage ammo, and 9.74 dps for long range ammo. Meaning, long range ammo does 69% of damage you can do with high damage ammo... which is actually more than the base damage difference (36/60 = 60%) thanks to lesser damage loss caused by tracking issues, that happen to benefit the long range ammo. (for battleship sized targets neither gun has problem with tracking, chance to hit for both at their optimal is practically 95-100% and even then it favours the long range ammo) So no, there is no damage reduction to 30% of high damage ammo due to tracking issues, because these issues affect both ammo types in the same way. QED or whatever...
Lifewire	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:07:00 - [333] Quote: Yes versus ONE sniper, you actually have to bring twice the numbers AND are restricted to one special ship type and setup. This ratio even becomes worse when you fight more snipers, as one stealth bomber wont be enough then. No no and no! I said there are 1000 and 1 ways to kill a sniper. Am i your personal teacher??? Do i have to explain everything to you??? If there are 7 snipers camping a gate then you could simply jump in with 7 TANKED snipers! Then you instapop one of them while the target they chose will not pop! You could get a destroyer cloaked to them (using an off-grid-spot) that nails them just before you jump in with your 7 tanked snipers. There are much more ways to kills snipers. It really makes me sad how uncreative people in EVE are. Why do you need advisors? And then you arent even able to aquire a good militaric advisor - i told you i¦ll do the job for 150, now 200 mil. I clean your territory of snipers with my corp if you pay it. You dont have the ISK??? Then stfu and do it yourself and let me extract some ISK out of people that fly away in a straight line from my sniper ship. They deserve to die because they did not think. Not thinking in EVE leads to being ganked. That¦s absolutly ok. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:08:00 - [334] Originally by: Lifewire Untrue: stealth bomber and Thorax is absolutly enough to kill a sniper. I saw snipers die to 2 frigates! There are 1000 and 1 ways to kill a sniper! Yes, there are thousands of ways to kill a sniper if you live in the perfect world where you can magically get ships to any point in the galaxy instantly. Any halfway competent sniper cannot be killed by a stealth bomber or covert ops. I've been over this a half dozen times.
Calenth	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:28:00 - [335] Originally by: Jacinto Naysmith Yes, there are thousands of ways to kill a sniper if you live in the perfect world where you can magically get ships to any point in the galaxy instantly. Any halfway competent sniper cannot be killed by a stealth bomber or covert ops. I've been over this a half dozen times. But wait. .lifewire gets killed by covert ops and stealth bombers all the time when he snipes! Apparently, all these tactics work against him. .
Lifewire	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:30:00 - [336] Edited by: Lifewire on 20/03/2006 03:33:33 Quote: Yes, there are thousands of ways to kill a sniper if you live in the perfect world where you can magically get ships to any point in the galaxy instantly. Any halfway competent sniper cannot be killed by a stealth bomber or covert ops. I've been over this a half dozen times. Read, use brain, kill snipers. Snipers are really no big deal. I tell you what really is hard: snipers that have EW-support. Killing those guys is hard Quote: But wait. .lifewire gets killed by covert ops and stealth bombers all the time when he snipes! Apparently, all these tactics work against him. . Hmyes i am a sniper n00b Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Illiya	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:33:00 - [337] Originally by: Lifewire Compare to RL - 1 sniper can easily attack a group of enemy soldiers on 600 m. But in close combat he will suck. Or compare to modern naval warfare. Cruise missiles like the Tomahawk can be launched on thousands of miles distance - and why? Because they can! If you come with some destroyer with normal guns to attack such a ship that is fitted with Tomahawks you will not win this battle, quite simple. Actually, you have no idea what you're talking about. Since snipers in real life most often work in pairs. A spotter and a Shooter. The spotter will normally carry atleast an Assault Rifle, and often the shooter will too. Both of these soldiers are trained marksman and are significantly better shooters at close range than your random patrol of enemy soldiers. There are, in fact, historical instances that back this up as well. A well trained Sniper and his spotter are both just as dangerous close in as they are at distance. Secondly, you apparently have no idea how a Tomahawk missile works yet you continually refer to it, especially in this absolutely HORRIBLE and inaccurate analogy you gave about naval ships. The Tomahawk cruise missile, whether being fired from air or sea, is not an actively guided missile. It relies on terrain sampling from satellite imaging (among a couple of other tricks) to know where it is over land. A tomahawk can be redirected midflight to a secondary target, but it won't be able to attack a ship at sea. It would be just about impossible. The missile's guidance and tracking systems just aren't designed to do it. A ship fitted with only tomahawks will be deicmated by a fleet of "normal guns." As soon as they get within a couple miles. Until that point, your tomahawk vessel will be bobbing in the water, waiting for them to come in range so it can open up with its normal weaponry as well. Now, please, shut up. Please?
Spacemann Spliff	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:43:00 - [338] OK i have to say for the record that Goonfleet complaining about sniper gangs is THE FUNNIEST **** I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. I wish there was a way to "comedy goldmine" this thread. ABP is recruiting! ABP is now for hire!
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:45:00 - [339] "You compare damage output on medium and long range. You should compare a blasterthron DPS to a sniper DPS - then you know how much less damage snipers deal!" Err what the heck, the wrong team won so we are moving the goal post? o.O You said that a sniper ship (using tech.2 ammo) is limited to 30% tops of damage output it could do using the high damage tech.2 ammo. Which was proven a bull. There was no word until now that we are supposed to compare a blaster boat with sniping ship, because why exactly should we be doing this sort of comparison when it involves two drastically different gun types is beyond me. Heck, for that matter you specifically mentioned Javelin as the base to compare against in response to my original point the long range tech.2 ammo does 75% damage of antimatter... while last i checked the blaster charges were called Null and Void. :/
Lifewire	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:46:00 - [340] Quote: Actually, you have no idea what you're talking about. Since snipers in real life most often work in pairs. A spotter and a Shooter. The spotter will normally carry atleast an Assault Rifle, and often the shooter will too. Both of these soldiers are trained marksman and are significantly better shooters at close range than your random patrol of enemy soldiers. There are, in fact, historical instances that back this up as well. A well trained Sniper and his spotter are both just as dangerous close in as they are at distance. Secondly, you apparently have no idea how a Tomahawk missile works yet you continually refer to it, especially in this absolutely HORRIBLE and inaccurate analogy you gave about naval ships. The Tomahawk cruise missile, whether being fired from air or sea, is not an actively guided missile. It relies on terrain sampling from satellite imaging (among a couple of other tricks) to know where it is over land. A tomahawk can be redirected midflight to a secondary target, but it won't be able to attack a ship at sea. It would be just about impossible. The missile's guidance and tracking systems just aren't designed to do it. A ship fitted with only tomahawks will be deicmated by a fleet of "normal guns." As soon as they get within a couple miles. Until that point, your tomahawk vessel will be bobbing in the water, waiting for them to come in range so it can open up with its normal weaponry as well. Now, please, shut up. Cruise missiles can be guided by radar, GPS or even cable- or radioguided manual. They can hit your nose if needed. Guns are pretty useless since missiles changed naval warfare. That¦s why battleships have no role in modern naval warfare. See link to learn: cruise missiles in naval warfare Snipers have some problems fighting some other soldiers with M249 Saws and M16 on 20 meters distance. On 600 meters things are different. And exactly this can be seen in EVE too. It does not mather if the snipers work as pair or not. In close combat their gun is pretty useless compared to a machine gun. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:47:00 - [341] Originally by: Spacemann Spliff OK i have to say for the record that Goonfleet complaining about sniper gangs is THE FUNNIEST **** I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. I wish there was a way to "comedy goldmine" this thread. Except that this topic has nothing to do with our corp and everything to do about an imbalance in the game mechanic and many other people agree. Go back to your cave if you have nothing worthwhile to add to the discussion.
Spacemann Spliff	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:53:00 - [342] Edited by: Spacemann Spliff on 20/03/2006 03:54:12 You wouln't know a game mechanic if it bit you in the face. Of course it has everything to do with your corp. EVERYTHING. Yeh im sure theres a few other t1 frig pilots that agree with you but really this entire discussion is "nothing worthwhile" but for the fact that its 100% comedy gold why can't you let me appretiate it for what it is. Lol this made my DAY. Cmon goonfleet crying about snipers? Its such an obvious counter to your playstyle that the reaons you are complaining are UNMISTAKABLE and have nothing to do with game balance. COMEDY GOLD!!! This had NOTHING to do with eve it has to do with Goonfleet. ABP is recruiting! ABP is now for hire!
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:54:00 - [343] Originally by: Lifewire Cruise missiles can be guided by radar, GPS or even cable- or radioguided manual. They can hit your nose if needed. Guns are pretty useless since missiles changed naval warfare. That¦s why battleships have no role in modern naval warfare. See link to learn: cruise missiles in naval warfare Cruise missiles are a specific type of missile, and are NEVER wire guided. You also referred to a specific type of missile in your post, which he corrected your mistakes on. You said a destroyer with conventional guns would get blown up by a ship fitted with Tomahawks, he proved you incorrect in this. This is also completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, unless you can some how tie this into the discussion about sniping ships in EVE being balanced or not.
Lifewire	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:56:00 - [344] Quote: You said that a sniper ship (using tech.2 ammo) is limited to 30% tops of damage output it could do using the high damage tech.2 ammo Did i exclude tech II blaster ammo??? And still you calculate on the paper, i use experience to get a view on things. I know for sure that i would do much more damage on short range, roundabout 3x more damage. Blobs or in empire sentry guns force me to use long range ammo - so yes: i am nerfed! Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Spacemann Spliff	Posted - 2006.03.20 04:01:00 - [345] Originally by: Jacinto Naysmith If you think everyone in goonfleet flies T1 frigs, I'm afraid you're going to be sorely disappointed. Nor are we asking for T1 frigates to be able to kill sniping battleships, we are asking for SOME METHOD of killing them. Currently there does not exist such a method, and they are there for unbalanced. OMg you have crusier and battlehsips too! its amazing. This has nothing to do with an imbalance in eve it has to do with you not knowing how to play the game and im not going to help you or your lame corp unless you pay me a ** ton of money. I know youre a corp of fourm ***s by definition but that doesnt make you right or anything you said to be valid nor does it mean anyone cares. If you think this is off topic your wrong because this thread has no vailid topic. :) Just nubs whining and it fills my heart with joy. ABP is recruiting! ABP is now for hire!
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.03.20 04:03:00 - [346] Originally by: Lifewire Quote: This is also completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand No, it shows that naval warfare also has long range weapons: missiles! And if a destroyer of world war II would attack a ship that is equiped with missiles it would not even see the enemy. What is completly irrelevant? That some cruise missiles are specialized on ground, some on mobile and some on ship targets. Your post is irrelevant - everybody unerstands here that long range weapons are a part of warfare. This is still irrelevant to the discussion at hand. 60 year old ships fighting modern ships has nothing to do with this topic.
Razie	Posted - 2006.03.20 04:04:00 - [347] Problems with sniper gangs? Recruit more CovOps/Stealth pilots, OR get electronics V and some cloaking levels and lets have massive cloaked frig fleets Vengence will be swift and violent.
Spacemann Spliff	Posted - 2006.03.20 04:06:00 - [348] Originally by: Razie Problems with sniper gangs? Recruit more CovOps/Stealth pilots, OR get electronics V and some cloaking levels and lets have massive cloaked frig fleets LOL yeh OMG WE CANT COMPETE WITHOUT EXPERIENCED PLAYERS!!! THATS NOT WHAT THEY SAID IN THE GOONFLEET RECRUITMENT MEGATHREAD, NERF NERF NERF!!! really really good stuff ABP is recruiting! ABP is now for hire!
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.03.20 04:07:00 - [349] Originally by: Razie Problems with sniper gangs? Recruit more CovOps/Stealth pilots, OR get electronics V and some cloaking levels and lets have massive cloaked frig fleets I have stated half a dozen times why this does not work, unless the sniper is incompetent.
Calenth	Posted - 2006.03.20 04:17:00 - [350] Originally by: Spacemann Spliff This has nothing to do with an imbalance in eve it has to do with you not knowing how to play the game and im not going to help you or your lame corp unless you pay me a **** ton of money. I. I love how the people saying sniping is just fine, keep asking for people to give them money to reveal their SEKRIT STRATEGERIES. Really shows the level they're operating on.
Na'Kota	Posted - 2006.03.20 04:18:00 - [351] Goonfleet only uses T1 Frigs If you guys could actually contribute to the discussion instead of thinking you're zinging us with your original comments about T1 frigs this thread would be a lot better, it isn't an issue that only affects us as evidenced by Maya and Josephines posts.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.20 04:31:00 - [352] "Did i exclude tech II blaster ammo???" By specifically telling me to compare to high damage railgun ammo? Yes. But if you want me to include tech.2 blaster ammo? Here goes: * neutron blaster ii with high damage tech.2 blaster ammo. still with 2x tracking computers. optimal: 4165. falloff: 12.5 km, tracking: 0.0571695 best chance to hit the 125m large cruiser moving with 250 m/sec transversal is: 32% at 14 km. relative amount of damage done with sniping tech.2 railgun ammo in comparison to this: 88% That's correct, close range blasterboat is actually worse at killing this kind of ships than the railgun ship with high damage ammo. Of course, this is strawman setup because a blasterthron will want to web and scramble its target, and doesn't have room to fit neutron blasters. Which is why i said this sort of comparison is idiotic in the first place. But hey, lets use a sensible setup for a change, drop these tracking comps, fit a web instead along with smaller blasters and check again. * ion blaster ii, x5 web, same ammo optimal: 2625, falloff: 10 km, tracking: 0.0359375 best chance to hit the 125m large cruiser moving with 34 m/sec transversal is: 77% at 6.5 km. relative amount of damage done with sniping tech.2 railgun ammo in comparison to this: 40% "And still you calculate on the paper, i use experience to get a view on things. I know for sure that i would do much more damage on short range, roundabout 3x more damage. Blobs or in empire sentry guns force me to use long range ammo - so yes: i am nerfed!" Sorry, this game calculates the hits and damage using math not your personal experience. Which means your personal impression of how much damage you do ... means squat. Because it's just that, impression. 40% of blaster damage done with railgun over 3000% as large distance. Yes, you are so terribly nerfed here.
Spacemann Spliff	Posted - 2006.03.20 05:06:00 - [353] Originally by: Calenth Originally by: Spacemann Spliff This has nothing to do with an imbalance in eve it has to do with you not knowing how to play the game and im not going to help you or your lame corp unless you pay me a **** ton of money. I. I love how the people saying sniping is just fine, keep asking for people to give them money to reveal their SEKRIT STRATEGERIES. Really shows the level they're operating on. I get payed to help noobs fight vets. I would never ever ever ever ever ever ever help your corp. Unless you payed a very very very large sum of money of course. ABP is recruiting! ABP is now for hire!
Calenth	Posted - 2006.03.20 05:08:00 - [354] Originally by: Spacemann Spliff I get payed to help noobs fight vets. I would never ever ever ever ever ever ever help your corp. Unless you payed a very very very large sum of money of course. Next time I'm in nigeria I'll give you and Lifewire both a call.
0bsession	Posted - 2006.03.20 05:24:00 - [355] I don't understand why people think a solution to a gangs low risk gank snipe fest is just as easy as recruiting a bunch of tanked sniper poppers like they are available at every station ready and willing to go in an instant. Lifewire is pretty naive when it comes to this... I'm assuming he's usually on the sniping end and has rarely dealt with defending against snipers. Bottom line, if defending against another opponents acts has lessened to the point where the only counter is more troops and bigger ships, then we're in for more blobs, and more lag. Simple solution... make a long range target jammer or damper mod. Something that goes beyond your target range and uses a ton of cap.
ZoSoZodiac	Posted - 2006.03.20 05:30:00 - [356] Shame this thread turned into a steaming pile of ass. This thread wasn't about goonfleet or the tactics we use. Anyone implying that is does really has no idea what we are about or what we do. Getting killed doesn't matter to us, we are out to have fun first and foremost. To say this thread was posted as a whine because we can't find a way for T1 frigates to beat sniping BS is so patently stupid I'm surprised anyone would post it. My opinion, like others in this thread, is that there is no viable counter to sniping BS at extereme range. I don't pretend to know what could be suggested or done to fix the problem as I see it. Goonfleet in particular doesn't care if anyone brings a group sniping BS, 100 HACs, or a newbie frigate and slaughter half of our gang. However there is a difference between "They were prepared for that situation and we were not." and "Sniping BS and T2 ammo, nothing we can do." I've read this entire thread and I did not see any real counter suggested, just a lot of idiotic posts from a few people and a lot of whining about things getting nerfed. A sad reflection on the eve community imho. A few people have actually attempted a real discussion, but they have been forced to respond to the unending trolls.
Spacemann Spliff	Posted - 2006.03.20 05:36:00 - [357] Originally by: Calenth Next time I'm in nigeria I'll give you and Lifewire both a call. gives calenth a wink and the thumbs up in his best buddy-christ impression ABP is recruiting! ABP is now for hire!
Spacemann Spliff	Posted - 2006.03.20 05:40:00 - [358] Edited by: Spacemann Spliff on 20/03/2006 05:41:48 Edited by: Spacemann Spliff on 20/03/2006 05:41:27 Originally by: ZoSoZodiac Shame this thread turned into a steaming pile of ass. This thread wasn't about goonfleet or the tactics we use. Anyone implying that is does really has no idea what we are about or what we do. Getting killed doesn't matter to us, we are out to have fun first and foremost. To say this thread was posted as a whine because we can't find a way for T1 frigates to beat sniping BS is so patently stupid I'm surprised anyone would post it. My opinion, like others in this thread, is that there is no viable counter to sniping BS at extereme range. I don't pretend to know what could be suggested or done to fix the problem as I see it. Goonfleet in particular doesn't care if anyone brings a group sniping BS, 100 HACs, or a newbie frigate and slaughter half of our gang. However there is a difference between "They were prepared for that situation and we were not." and "Sniping BS and T2 ammo, nothing we can do." I've read this entire thread and I did not see any real counter suggested, just a lot of idiotic posts from a few people and a lot of whining about things getting nerfed. A sad reflection on the eve community imho. A few people have actually attempted a real discussion, but they have been forced to respond to the unending trolls. OMG HAVING SKILL POINTS GIVES VETS AN ADVANTAGE OMFG nerf skill points!!!! lolololololololol so theres times when you cant do JACK **** vs a good fleet. pls go to empire and mine you wouldnt have this problem. ABP is recruiting! ABP is now for hire!
ZoSoZodiac	Posted - 2006.03.20 05:46:00 - [359] Originally by: Spacemann Spliff Edited by: Spacemann Spliff on 20/03/2006 05:41:48 Edited by: Spacemann Spliff on 20/03/2006 05:41:27 OMG HAVING SKILL POINTS GIVES VETS AN ADVANTAGE OMFG nerf skill points!!!! lolololololololol so theres times when you cant do JACK **** vs a good fleet. pls go to empire and mine you wouldnt have this problem. Wow, just wow.
Spacemann Spliff	Posted - 2006.03.20 05:47:00 - [360] Edited by: Spacemann Spliff on 20/03/2006 05:48:30 Edited by: Spacemann Spliff on 20/03/2006 05:48:15 Originally by: ZoSoZodiac Originally by: Spacemann Spliff Edited by: Spacemann Spliff on 20/03/2006 05:41:48 Edited by: Spacemann Spliff on 20/03/2006 05:41:27 OMG HAVING SKILL POINTS GIVES VETS AN ADVANTAGE OMFG nerf skill points!!!! lolololololololol so theres times when you cant do JACK **** vs a good fleet. pls go to empire and mine you wouldnt have this problem. Wow, just wow. it really is what youre saying even if youre too stupid to know it lol omg we get beat by a superior fleet BOO HOO HOO NERF SNIPING WoW indeed! Why dont you go play it? ABP is recruiting! ABP is now for hire!

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