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Rukkal
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:04:00 -
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Vlad has the best response I've seen so far in this thread: "Learn and move on."
I'm constantly amazed when pirates justify their activites by saying something like: "I enjoy punching you in the mouth! Why don't you, you crybaby?!"
Some of us don't like being punched in the mouth. Perhaps you would garner more sympathy for your theiving ways if you understood this and avoided the tempation to mock.
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Victor Helios
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Max Teranous
A classic case of NBSI everywhere.
You should ask yourself, what did you do to stop them shooting you? Scan the gate before warping there? Check local? Use an insta? Use a small fast ship with MWD to run a blockade?
The skills you need to survive in low sec aren't the ones you train in the game. Read the forums learn strategies. like the one above or before traveling check the map. It will tell you the security statuses of the systems on your planned route and how many pilots are there.
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Za Po
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:14:00 -
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Because, potentially, you could have had a cargo hold full of zydrine, or a few BPOs, or good modules fitted. And no, they didn't cargo scan you before killing you, because they don't want to waste a slot. And yes, if everyone whined on the forums every time they get blown up, the place would be unusable.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:18:00 -
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What is wrong with people?
Why do some people take the world personally? If the government raises taxes, its probably not just to annoy you. And if a pirate kills you at a gate, its because you warped stupidly into their camp, not because they don't like you or are a "sociopath."
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Hait
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Incantus
Originally by: babyblue
You can avoid them however, but you may need some new skills - like how to make and use instas.
you obviously missed the part where you cant use instas for somewhere you've never been before... thank you for playing though
And you my lad have missed the part where you where there - make the insta to the gate from the station when you first jump into the system.
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Shidhe
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Shidhe on 28/03/2006 17:51:23
I have lots of sympathy - what they did was rather pointless... But there are lots of folk in this game doing similar things, so you need to learn. High speed frigates with microwarp drives do very well at getting through. As soon as the autopilot warps you to a gate and your speed starts dropping, press the MWD button and see your speed reach about 3000 m/s. These days the smart campers try to get ships warping from gates, rather than to them. Nanofibers in low slots are good at getting to warp speed as soon as possible - you would have to be really unlucky for someone to scramble a frig with nanofibers before it warps off. For travelling only, you could fit a warp core stabiliser or two - they are usually not necessary for frigates, and really mess up setups for anything else other than travelling. [Unless, of course, you are a brave gate camper in a BS with 6 WCS in lows in case anything your size appears.]
PS - dont try to take on ore thieves unless you know what you are doing. They tend to know what they can get away with better than most new folks.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:57:00 -
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Yeah it sux, vets pwning newbs at gates.. atleast these guys were in BC and not in a sniping tempest 150km from the gate or something. 
But it is what it is.. EVE... sadly people will shoot at u in low sec just cuz they can and prolly cuz it looks nice on their precious killboards, so live and learn and take the advice some people are giving u in this tread. scout the gate, use a fast ship and/or instas and so on and so on.
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
What is wrong with people?
If the government raises taxes, its probably not just to annoy you.
Stupid analogy; if the government was trying to shoot me I would take it personally.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
And if a pirate kills you at a gate, its because you warped stupidly into their camp, not because they don't like you or are a "sociopath."
The guy got killed at the gate because he's relatively new and doesn't yet know all of the "micro-rules" that Eve has - I don't consider him to be stupid at all. You have to read 1,000 posts on the forums AND try it out for yourself before you start to get the hang of it. So give him a break.
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Joza Gulikoza
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:05:00 -
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quakers
They are how they are. Got to learn to live with them. As you know about those people who drag you to their level and beat you with experience, it's pointless arguing. Just my advice - don't get upset it's not worth it 
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Kiran Lee
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:10:00 -
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To the OP
Unfortunatly this is eve. And eve is not the friendliest game. Also There will never be a shortage of people who feel the need to kill players at gates regardless of wether its a noob or vet.
Like someone said before there were 1.0 massacres. 1 person sitting at the entry port of a noob station popping all the poor noobs. No skill involved, and nothing to be gained except personal gratification.
Usually these same guys gate camping or sniping are the first to cry if a covert sneaks up while 6 bombers who were waiting at the gate for the sniper to show all decloak and fire while the cov ops scrams, Its really funny.
Why do Griefer pirates also have all sorts of profanity in their bio and Title?? Does it make them feel cool or something??
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Barak Torginn
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:31:00 -
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People that play EvE are TOTAL JERKS! PvPers are JERKS! That's why you got shot at. JERKS!
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Espen
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
An Executioner with two Internal Nanofibres and an MWD will get you past any gate in the game provided you ain't afking - perfect taxi and perfect for going to buy skill books...
try that with my smart bomb phoon at the gate. 
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Grey Nova
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:40:00 -
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It's never a good Idea to use AP in -4 space, people really dont give a rats arse if you have just started playing and are carrying your entire eve net worth on the ship you saved up for 2 weeks to get.
Make no mistake about it the game Is designed for those griefters that got banned from other mmo's to have a home. At least you'll triple check where the item is your buying next time, often saving a few thousand isk can cost you millions.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 28/03/2006 18:44:39
Whats wrong with random murder and vandalism?
Fighting someone who is stronger then you without you being cornered => stupid => immature
Preying on the weak and the helpless, avoiding the strong => smart => mature
Eve tries to make things matter by using the concept of loss. If you get blown up, you cant just "restart / ressurect", like you can in quake or WoW. If loss happens on your terms, there is no point in loss whatsoever.
Questioning people's motives is ... immature. There is no "why". there is only the fact that they (and me) will harm you whenever possible, unless you prove to be usefull ("friend").
And yep, Eve allows and encourages Griefing. In real world, you call it terrorism or heroism, depending on point of view.
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:43:00 -
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Let's see...i've lost about 200mil in implants going to 0.0 and you lost a Commorant + started a complain post?
Whine more after you lose something more substantial besides your e-dignity (TM).
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if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
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Grey Nova
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Naleb Cilani
Let's see...i've lost about 200mil in implants going to 0.0 and you lost a Commorant + started a complain post?
Whine more after you lose something more substantial besides your e-dignity (TM).
Sorry but if a noob player loses his ship and most of his networth, thats the same if not worst than your 200mill, as you probably have the means to get it back in what a few hours? Where a new player may have to work hard for 2 weeks to get back all he lost. Actully sounds like your the one whining.
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Mike Moss
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:52:00 -
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So you could have avoided it. So you should have expected it. So what?
Because the real question is, why would players want to do this in the first place? I cannot imagine myself blowing away someone who is defenseless just because I can, and I've leveled up on PvP servers in two other games.
Gate camping to shoot newbies? Say what you will about freedom, challenge ... whatever ... the problem is that EVE seems to attract people with this sort of back alley backstabbing hoodlum mentality. I wonder why?
My first day playing EVE, someone asked on Rookie Chat, "What is the point of this game?" The answer they got was "Level up and be a complete [expletive deleted] like everyone else."
But I'm not a "complete [expletive deleted]" so do I belong here? Is there anything to EVE once you level up and get a decent ship other than drive-by shootings of small children?
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:56:00 -
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Well, everyone is right that is EVE, low sec is the last place you wanna hit auto pilot and afk, or fly an expensive ship for a pick up.
But by the same token please all the gate campers stop whining that people who don;t want to be victimized stay in empire. Also stop whining for changes to force people into low sec for your lame gate camps as well. Empire dweller can deal with taking thier lumps and not whining, unfortunately the low sec carebears can't seem to not whine, and grow some balls and fight other low sec carebears.... instead they avoid each othewr to prey on empire types to take peeks into low sec.
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Nova
A Commorant can be easily replaced by a newbie. They get a free +1 implant at the end of those early storyline missions. Plus insurance. And bear in mind, I didn't question the motives of 0.0 players or low-sec pirates. Can the OP say the same?
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if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
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Friedrick Psitalon
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:24:00 -
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Pardon me for entering into this obviously pointless debate, but I do have one thing that I would like to point out.
Everytime someone mercilessly whacks a true noob, we all may lose something. A mercilessly, senselessly whacked noob may simply say, "This game sucks!" and leave. What's the end result there? 1 less player.
1 less "carebear target" for a pirate?
1 less evil pirate for a pirate hunter one day?
1 less miner pulling in ore?
1 less agent runner with a yummy ship to get ganked?
1 less researcher trying to pull in a BPO for your corp one day?
1 less industrialist building a POS/ship for you to buy?
1 less person in EVE, 1 less income for CCP, 1 chunk of cash they won't use to better the game and in turn better their own income.
I sincerely doubt that EVE is intended to be the mad asylum of the gaming world where all the kicked-offs go. I think that CCP - as, in my limited experience, seems to be true - expects the players to solve their problems theirselves, and oftentimes they do. I'm a little surprised that a pirate-hunting, gate-clearing corporation or three haven't sprung up; the opportunity for the work is certainly there. It may be that they exist and I simply haven't seen them yet.
CAN you gank a noob immediately? Certainly. Since we can't even tell true noobs from account alts, there's arguments to be made there. Should you gank a noob instantly?
I would argue that the 1-in-1-million chance of snagging a BPO, or the rookie-ship-load of Zydrine isn't worth the risk of alienating a brand new player to the game. One less person enjoying the game with us is more valuable, IMO.
"Welcome to EVE" aren't the proper words when "Goodbye from EVE" is the action. 1 less player playing the game and we all lose. You want to gatecamp? Pop me in my BC anytime if I come by and I'm too sloppy to check the way. But if you want more corpmates, more high-value targets, more of whatever you want in the game, make a decision to let the noob frigates fly by - one player at a time. If you're that torched about fake noobs, fit the friggin' scanner. Gate campers usually work in packs and are at minimal risk anyhow. :P
Let the real ones pass or we end up losing players - maybe not all; but some...one gank at a time.
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MrTripps
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:54:00 -
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Do they get off on the idea of being so powerful they can whipe someone out whos many levels below them in skills and tech who has no chance of fighting back while hes sitting there typing in the chat "stop moving so you can die!"
Yep. I'm quite sure the three big rats that gate camp my most common route every weekend do. Even with a good insta my cruiser was taken down to hull before I got through the gate. That ships destroyed on the last hour display setting is good for spotting gate camps.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
I think some of it comes from the myths of people transporting T2 bpos in shuttles and getting ganked by someone who was bored but most of it is just plain human nature.
A corpmate blew up a shuttle that was carrying 10 +3 implants they were all destroyed though. 
(This was in 0.0 and the target was in a hostile alliance)
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Mike Moss
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:03:00 -
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Insurance Company! Ah! Of course. The insurance company could be the solution to irresponsible hooliganistic piracy. Piracy is a possible role, but it needs to operate within reasonable guidelines.
For example, some scenario like newb frigate on a datasheet courier mission comes through the gate and gets blown up by battlecruisers who kill him because they can.
Whilst laughing at the poor noob, they note that their Eve Mail icon is flashing. It is a letter from the insurance company!
Which says, "Hi there, you initiated hostilities against a craft beneath your attack privileges that was within the normal operational range of a gate and destroyed it; resulting in inconvenience to the pilot of said craft and the loss of his cargo. Within three days you must remit to us X ISK to cover the value of the craft, its fittings, and the cargo, and a further Y ISK because the pilot got whiplash.
If you do not remit this sum, your insurance coverage on all your ships will be cancelled, and you will be subject to attack on detection by any of our Claims Adjusters who happen to find you! And of course, we would then have to notify the Interstellar Revenue Service as well. You wouldn't want us to do that, would you? Have a nice day."
Er ... we do have an Interstellar Revenue Service don't we?
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Wizerud
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:03:00 -
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Perhaps the original poster didn't appreciate that 0.4 systems can be dangerous. Hopefully, if nothing else, he's learned that, because he's obviously surpised that this happened to him. The fact that he took his slow-ass destroyer there when he could have simply bought a shuttle for 9k is testament to this.
To the OP - you were killed because you were there. Simple as that. Don't think of the people who killed you as bad people. Just because they killed you doesn't make them immature, you don't know them and you're taking it way too personally. If you have it within yourself, give them the benefit of the doubt and think of them as roleplayers It's easier to deal with that way. And perhaps more immersive 
I swear, sometimes it's like some people have never played an online game with other players before. Having played EQ on a PvP server for a long time I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this sort of thing happened. Strange things happen to people when you put them behind a keyboard and tell them to interact with others, anonymously.
Don't take it so personally. They may just be jerks, but you don't know that.
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KOJIKI
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Incantus
And no... I dont expect any sort of Carebear fantacy world from this game, I would however expect some of you to grow a pair and go out and take on people your own size instead of just accepting it as the standard you live by and that is what ****es me off I bet many of you have even done it yourselves.
Many of us have died your death in the beginning and many of us kill peeps like you for breakfast. But while dying we learned how to survive! Try to learn from your enemy as well as older players and hopefully you will became wise and survive. Of course we are accepting pvp as the standard, that is EVE. You don't like you can play something else. But it's filled with real peeps, so you will find all sorts. Many of this thread have skills exceding 25-30 mil, we have grown "many pairs" since we started with EVE 
Originally by: Nova Incantus
but anyway, no im not going to hide in 0.5 space if I got to go to 0.4 or lower then thats a chance I got to take. About the only useful advice on this thread I've seen is someone reminding me to check the local.... while instas are nice you cant use an insta to a gate you haven't been to before. As for typing into local "please stop shooting me" theres not much else you can do when warping to agate then blown away
Look, what blows me away the most are peeps that don't bother to read a few threads and advice before they start playing! This forum has loads and loads of stickies, tutorials and advice regarding low sec, concorde and pirates. READ IT!
You can make instas for a new system on the fly! I do it all the time in deep 0.0 I'm new to. Most systems have more than one way to get in and around to. Use your map for jumps and people in the last 30 minutes, stations and other info that will give a preview what's up ahead. Jump in, read local, INCLUDING character info, and if deemed friendly make an insta TO the gate you just came i via, first thing. This will be your way back out. Do it when you still have an empty hold. If sure you are safe to jump to out-gate, do so... jump in, rinse and re-use!
Once you reach your target you will now have the added bonus of instas all the way back!! Check different times of the day - some routes are almost empty at certain times. Make safespots and log off, relog few hours later to check activity, observe, learn and use your brain!
And try to understand what peeps are telling you in this thread. Fast frigates with MWD and stabs survive camps. Fast frigates with AB and stabs survive bubbles. Speed is your friend, if you can get that baby over 2000m/s you stand a fair chance! It will give you far more satisfaction being shot at and surviving than blaming the rest of the players for your misery! 
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Barak Torginn
People that play EvE are TOTAL JERKS! PvPers are JERKS! That's why you got shot at. JERKS!
Originally by: xsolarisx
eve-online takes money out my credit card each month without my permission
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mike Moss
Insurance Company! Ah! Of course. The insurance company could be the solution to irresponsible hooliganistic piracy. Piracy is a possible role, but it needs to operate within reasonable guidelines.
For example, some scenario like newb frigate on a datasheet courier mission comes through the gate and gets blown up by battlecruisers who kill him because they can.
Whilst laughing at the poor noob, they note that their Eve Mail icon is flashing. It is a letter from the insurance company!
Which says, "Hi there, you initiated hostilities against a craft beneath your attack privileges that was within the normal operational range of a gate and destroyed it; resulting in inconvenience to the pilot of said craft and the loss of his cargo. Within three days you must remit to us X ISK to cover the value of the craft, its fittings, and the cargo, and a further Y ISK because the pilot got whiplash.
If you do not remit this sum, your insurance coverage on all your ships will be cancelled, and you will be subject to attack on detection by any of our Claims Adjusters who happen to find you! And of course, we would then have to notify the Interstellar Revenue Service as well. You wouldn't want us to do that, would you? Have a nice day."
Er ... we do have an Interstellar Revenue Service don't we?
lmao - NPC loss adjusters ftw
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Midori Quin
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:22:00 -
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Sanguine Legion, noobs in frigs ganking noobs, pirates and anti-pirates in low sec just for fun  we love it, we dont care how you feel, thats just how some ppl play the game
 btw we dont camp gates cuz its very boring and we dont have the SP to do it
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Incantus
(first of all let me say, I forgot to pay attention and bought 2 skillbooks 1 8 jumps from me the other 12 jumps from there)
so Im making an 8 jump run from a 0.6-0.4 sec of space to pick up a skill book, I get there in my Cormorant without a scratch. I pick up the book and decide to buy a few more gunnery skills there since they were cheaper at that particular station. I then undock from the station and turn on autopilot to begin my next jump trip for the other book.
I get to the jumpgate 15km from it when I find 2 Battlecrusiers sitting there warpscrabling me and firing all their weapons at me. I know its the way of life out in 0.4 sec or lower but seriously... what possesses 2 guys to sit at a gate and blow away newbies who they know cant even scratch thier shields. Do they get off on the idea of being so powerful they can whipe someone out whos many levels below them in skills and tech who has no chance of fighting back while hes sitting there typing in the chat "stop moving so you can die!"
Major lack of maturity 
atm i use moa to camp gates for newbs its realy funny
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:43:00 -
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Sorry. See above, I edited after I read it back it cos it wasn't meant to infer you as an indvidual but you beat me to it. 
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