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Nova Incantus	Posted - 2006.03.28 15:25:00 - [1] (first of all let me say, I forgot to pay attention and bought 2 skillbooks 1 8 jumps from me the other 12 jumps from there) so Im making an 8 jump run from a 0.6-0.4 sec of space to pick up a skill book, I get there in my Cormorant without a scratch. I pick up the book and decide to buy a few more gunnery skills there since they were cheaper at that particular station. I then undock from the station and turn on autopilot to begin my next jump trip for the other book. I get to the jumpgate 15km from it when I find 2 Battlecrusiers sitting there warpscrabling me and firing all their weapons at me. I know its the way of life out in 0.4 sec or lower but seriously... what possesses 2 guys to sit at a gate and blow away newbies who they know cant even scratch thier shields. Do they get off on the idea of being so powerful they can whipe someone out whos many levels below them in skills and tech who has no chance of fighting back while hes sitting there typing in the chat "stop moving so you can die!" Major lack of maturity ---------------------- If you build it, they will come and attack it. Nova Incantus - [SAK]
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.28 15:28:00 - [2] ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.28 15:29:00 - [3] oh wait, you're being serious In 0.4 and below, people can shoot you, so they will. End of story. Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Max Teranous	Posted - 2006.03.28 15:33:00 - [4] A classic case of NBSI everywhere. You should ask yourself, what did you do to stop them shooting you? Scan the gate before warping there? Check local? Use an insta? Use a small fast ship with MWD to run a blockade? Max
DoctorDanny	Posted - 2006.03.28 15:37:00 - [5] I feel very bad for your loss. It is a very sad thing that people camp gates in empire and actually try to kill people there!
Hardin	Posted - 2006.03.28 15:39:00 - [6] An Executioner with two Internal Nanofibres and an MWD will get you past any gate in the game provided you ain't afking - perfect taxi and perfect for going to buy skill books... --------------------------------- Smiting pirates and terrorists since Sept 2003
Gungankllr	Posted - 2006.03.28 15:48:00 - [7] That, my friend, in a nutshell, is Eve. People that have just joined Eve won't get it whatsoever, as most MMO's spoonfeed you and make things all carebearsy, where if you die... who cares! Eve makes you think. Eve makes you paranoid. Eve makes you 100% of the time pay attention to what you're doing, because if you don't, you'll end up dead faster than the snap of your fingers. Why did they kill you? Because you let them. As a previous poster said, when you jump into a system that has a security rating of less than .5- you can get killed rather easily without concord intervening. Why did they kill a ship that obviously had no chance of defending itself? Because you sat there long enough to get targeted. Also, don't think I'm not a little sympathetic, my first week (about 2.5 years ago, I reckon) I got my brand new Moa smoked in a low sec system by a couple of pirates spamming torpedos from their cruisers (yeah, that long ago...) And I made a post just like this one, because I just didn't get it. Welcome to Eve.
KaraThrace	Posted - 2006.03.28 15:54:00 - [8] Thats why we tell newbies to stay out of .4 and below for the first month or so....
Rellik B00n	Posted - 2006.03.28 15:54:00 - [9] because they could welcome to eve! .
Max Teranous	Posted - 2006.03.28 15:55:00 - [10] Oops, I forgot to add to my post: Yarr ! Max

James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:01:00 - [11] Welcome to EVE. I appreciate that the PvP side can seem a real deterrant at times. However, it's also the best feature EVE has. No, not the fact that people at camps gank you. I can't think of many incidences where that doesn't suck (well, unless you're the one doing the ganking). But the thing that's _good_ is the freedom. The fact that they _can_. It may seem unfair, but realise that you can do exactly the same thing back. There's a certain measure of 'backup' provided by CONCORD and sentry guns, but it won't ever be 100% secure. Only place where that's the case is docked in a station. So yes, it's evil and mean of them. But you are empowered to control your own destiny. Will you hide in 0.5+ evermore, because you fear another player? Or will you take up the gauntlet and strike back? Or even decide that you're filled with bitterness, and take up gate ganking as your hobby as well. The freedom to choose is what makes EVE great. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Niccolado Starwalker	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:07:00 - [12] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/03/2006 16:07:23 Originally by: Gungankllr That, my friend, in a nutshell, is Eve. QFE. Thats EVE allrite But next time you old scurvy vets start to ask yourself/whine why many noobs never leave high sec, ask yourself it this case might have something with it I have now played for 4 months. AND I LOVE THE GAME! Last weekend I felt bold and powerful in my brand new battlecruiser! Lots of great weapons u dig? So I decided to take it out for a voyage. Down to the local .4 sector, for some ratting. And what happend? Entered .4 space and was podded within 5 minutes. Its EVE. I accept it. its the way of the game. But I also understood pretty fast, that until I can get better or to be in a larger group low sec aint for me! So, for the next few months I will hang around in high sec. I dont whine bout it. i dont complain bout it. I just want to explor and have fun. But I understand that I am now ready. So, ill hold my breath a while longer. ...or at least till I can get another Battlecruiser and I have forgot this incident
Teles666	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:12:00 - [13] Is this a new mini profession? Make an alt and troll the forums?
Abraxus	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:13:00 - [14] I have exactly zero sympathy for someone getting blown up in <0.4 Know the risks or don't go there.
Abraxus	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Gungankllr Eve makes you think. Eve makes you paranoid. Eve makes you 100% of the time pay attention to what you're doing, because if you don't, you'll end up dead faster than the snap of your fingers. That reminds me of my first trip to 0.0 OMG it was an amazing experience considering I was still in the same game
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:16:00 - [16] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 28/03/2006 16:16:29 Sorry for the bad time in EvE. EvE is a game that seems to attract would be psychos around the world. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Nova Incantus	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:16:00 - [17] Originally by: James Lyrus Welcome to EVE. There's a certain measure of 'backup' provided by CONCORD and sentry guns, but it won't ever be 100% secure. Only place where that's the case is docked in a station. So yes, it's evil and mean of them. But you are empowered to control your own destiny. Will you hide in 0.5+ evermore, because you fear another player? Or will you take up the gauntlet and strike back? Or even decide that you're filled with bitterness, and take up gate ganking as your hobby as well. The freedom to choose is what makes EVE great. ---------------------- If you build it, they will come and attack it. Nova Incantus - [SAK]
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:21:00 - [18] Originally by: DoctorDanny I feel very bad for your loss. It is a very sad thing that people camp gates in empire and actually try to kill people there! Yes, ppl can be very nasty... ------------------------- Rover Vitesse > Finix, i am not going to go all the way tonight
Nova Incantus	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:24:00 - [19] Concord is useless to me, the 2 times I've had my can popped while mining the other player wasn't flagged then when I shot at them on instinct Concord nuked me. And no... I dont expect any sort of Carebear fantacy world from this game, I would however expect some of you to grow a pair and go out and take on people your own size instead of just accepting it as the standard you live by and that is what **es me off I bet many of you have even done it yourselves. but anyway, no im not going to hide in 0.5 space if I got to go to 0.4 or lower then thats a chance I got to take. About the only useful advice on this thread I've seen is someone reminding me to check the local.... while instas are nice you cant use an insta to a gate you haven't been to before. As for typing into local "please stop shooting me" theres not much else you can do when warping to agate then blown away ---------------------- If you build it, they will come and attack it.** Nova Incantus - [SAK]
babyblue	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:27:00 - [20] Approximately 2% of people are Sociopaths. That is, they don't really do Empathy or Sympathy - these two emotions are important enablers of harmony in group behaviour. Eve obviously being a PvP game will attract a higher proportion of these people than 2%, so you can expect (random guess) maybe 10% of people to behave like this - they are more than likely camping a 0.4 gate near you. You can avoid them however, but you may need some new skills - like how to make and use instas.

Zeonog	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:27:00 - [21] I don't get it? Your saying people should gate camp? Thats how they choose to play the game. Yes its unfair but thats life. Maybe you should grow a pair and stop complaining?
Galk	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 28/03/2006 16:16:29 Sorry for the bad time in EvE. EvE is a game that seems to attract would be psychos around the world. Ofcourse it does, eve is a game where your pretty much free to do as you wish ( trust me iv'e had the full sp on that from those above) Anything goes!!!! (well atleast when it was coming my way anyway) Your allways going to get it here, from day one when people were insta poping newbs undocking from 1.0 stations... from the good ol days of jump in point camping next to newb starter systems, to people camping en mass at low sec mission route choke points. Thats eve, for all it's wonderfull idea of fantasy, there's a harsh reality that gets totaly ignored when these topics come up. ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
Nova Incantus	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:31:00 - [23] Originally by: babyblue You can avoid them however, but you may need some new skills - like how to make and use instas. you obviously missed the part where you cant use instas for somewhere you've never been before... thank you for playing though ---------------------- If you build it, they will come and attack it. Nova Incantus - [SAK]
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:33:00 - [24] Edited by: Nyphur on 28/03/2006 16:34:46 Originally by: Nova Incantus And no... I dont expect any sort of Carebear fantacy world from this game, I would however expect some of you to grow a pair and go out and take on people your own size instead of just accepting it as the standard you live by and that is what ****es me off I bet many of you have even done it yourselves. Hate to say it but you won't get very far with that attitude in eve. Pirates used to let young characters with frigates go past their camps. Then people started abusing their trust by hauling zydrine in from 0.0 in a frigate on a newbie character and saying they were a new player who was lost if they came into a gatecamp. I know this because I used to do it back 1-2 years ago. Also, frigates are used a lot to transport blueprints, soemtimes of very high value, specifically because a frigate has the speed to break through a pirate gatecamp before most larger ships can lock onto them and most often it can get past a sniper at a gate too. But it needs a good microwarpdrive to do so, which will take a new character a few weeks to train for. There's a lot less honour in piracy these days and there's a lot of pointless ganking. I've seen fleets follow my empty shuttle scouts in 0.0 just to have something to blow up. I think some of it comes from the myths of people transporting T2 bpos in shuttles and getting ganked by someone who was bored but most of it is just plain human nature. These guys love to blow us up, that's what they do. They wear that negative security status like a badge of honour and take every opportunity to increase it. There are ways to get around getting killed in low sec and even 0.0, but there's a reason we tell the new guys to stay out of it. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Toros Revoke	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:35:00 - [25] This is why we have shuttles, fast, made of tin foil, disposable. Try not to hold a grudge, you'll find this happens a lot. There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity. Make sure you take your shoes off before you cross it.
babyblue	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Nova Incantus Originally by: babyblue You can avoid them however, but you may need some new skills - like how to make and use instas. you obviously missed the part where you cant use instas for somewhere you've never been before... thank you for playing though No, the important thing is to realise you will be going through from high sec to low sec and that this is probably one of the most dangerous locations in Eve, apart from D7 . In this case, you have to resist the temptation to leg it through with your size 12's and stop for a second to think about it. Solutions: (1) Get an alt to scout the gate for you from a good scanning position. (2) Make insta marks through the system to/from so you don't have to run to the gate. (3) Don't buy stuff in low sec (<0.5) period if you don't want to do (1) or (2). (4) If you have the skills, use covert ops or interceptor with MWD. It isn't always a good idea to grab the Rugby ball and go Pillocking up the field.
Dr Smacktalk	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Nova Incantus (first of all let me say, I forgot to pay attention and bought 2 skillbooks 1 8 jumps from me the other 12 jumps from there) so Im making an 8 jump run from a 0.6-0.4 sec of space to pick up a skill book, I get there in my Cormorant without a scratch. I pick up the book and decide to buy a few more gunnery skills there since they were cheaper at that particular station. I then undock from the station and turn on autopilot to begin my next jump trip for the other book. I get to the jumpgate 15km from it when I find 2 Battlecrusiers sitting there warpscrabling me and firing all their weapons at me. I know its the way of life out in 0.4 sec or lower but seriously... what possesses 2 guys to sit at a gate and blow away newbies who they know cant even scratch thier shields. Do they get off on the idea of being so powerful they can whipe someone out whos many levels below them in skills and tech who has no chance of fighting back while hes sitting there typing in the chat "stop moving so you can die!" Major lack of maturity Poor PVPERS. They are not great pvpers so they cannot engage targets that have loads of skillpoints and actual pvp experience. Have you noticed that they only engage nooblets, and non combat ships? Most of these players come from the world of Counterstrike and Quake III arena or WoW graduates and its all about getitng as many kills in one day as possible. They will camp the gate for hours on end. Usually they camp 150KM from gate, aligned to safespots.
Nova Incantus	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:44:00 - [28] ...size 14s actually ---------------------- If you build it, they will come and attack it. Nova Incantus - [SAK]
Vladimir Ilych	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:54:00 - [29] happen to me too. first destroyer and a -10 sec rating pirate in an apoc camping a gate killed me in 2 seconds flat. now i live in 0.0 and barley fear low sec as I know what precautions to take. learn from your mistakes and dont let it put you off.
Galk	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:56:00 - [30] Edited by: Galk on 28/03/2006 16:57:16 Originally by: Nyphur There's a lot less honour in piracy these days and there's a lot of pointless ganking. Your obviously are not aware that people used to sit outside 1.0 starter system stations back in 03 and gank new players as they undocked for the first time Highsec in the early days was as much a gankzone as lowsec is these days. ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran

Rukkal	Posted - 2006.03.28 17:04:00 - [31] Vlad has the best response I've seen so far in this thread: "Learn and move on." I'm constantly amazed when pirates justify their activites by saying something like: "I enjoy punching you in the mouth! Why don't you, you crybaby?!" Some of us don't like being punched in the mouth. Perhaps you would garner more sympathy for your theiving ways if you understood this and avoided the tempation to mock.
Victor Helios	Posted - 2006.03.28 17:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Max Teranous A classic case of NBSI everywhere. You should ask yourself, what did you do to stop them shooting you? Scan the gate before warping there? Check local? Use an insta? Use a small fast ship with MWD to run a blockade? The skills you need to survive in low sec aren't the ones you train in the game. Read the forums learn strategies. like the one above or before traveling check the map. It will tell you the security statuses of the systems on your planned route and how many pilots are there.
Za Po	Posted - 2006.03.28 17:14:00 - [33] Because, potentially, you could have had a cargo hold full of zydrine, or a few BPOs, or good modules fitted. And no, they didn't cargo scan you before killing you, because they don't want to waste a slot. And yes, if everyone whined on the forums every time they get blown up, the place would be unusable. -------------------- Do you have a solution to the BM and instas problem? Test it against the bookmark requirements.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.28 17:18:00 - [34] What is wrong with people? Why do some people take the world personally? If the government raises taxes, its probably not just to annoy you. And if a pirate kills you at a gate, its because you warped stupidly into their camp, not because they don't like you or are a "sociopath." [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Hait	Posted - 2006.03.28 17:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Nova Incantus Originally by: babyblue You can avoid them however, but you may need some new skills - like how to make and use instas. you obviously missed the part where you cant use instas for somewhere you've never been before... thank you for playing though And you my lad have missed the part where you where there - make the insta to the gate from the station when you first jump into the system.
Shidhe	Posted - 2006.03.28 17:47:00 - [36] Edited by: Shidhe on 28/03/2006 17:51:23 I have lots of sympathy - what they did was rather pointless... But there are lots of folk in this game doing similar things, so you need to learn. High speed frigates with microwarp drives do very well at getting through. As soon as the autopilot warps you to a gate and your speed starts dropping, press the MWD button and see your speed reach about 3000 m/s. These days the smart campers try to get ships warping from gates, rather than to them. Nanofibers in low slots are good at getting to warp speed as soon as possible - you would have to be really unlucky for someone to scramble a frig with nanofibers before it warps off. For travelling only, you could fit a warp core stabiliser or two - they are usually not necessary for frigates, and really mess up setups for anything else other than travelling. [Unless, of course, you are a brave gate camper in a BS with 6 WCS in lows in case anything your size appears.] PS - dont try to take on ore thieves unless you know what you are doing. They tend to know what they can get away with better than most new folks.
000Hunter000	Posted - 2006.03.28 17:57:00 - [37] Yeah it sux, vets pwning newbs at gates.. atleast these guys were in BC and not in a sniping tempest 150km from the gate or something. But it is what it is.. EVE... sadly people will shoot at u in low sec just cuz they can and prolly cuz it looks nice on their precious killboards, so live and learn and take the advice some people are giving u in this tread. scout the gate, use a fast ship and/or instas and so on and so on.
Lustralis	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Dark Shikari What is wrong with people? If the government raises taxes, its probably not just to annoy you. Stupid analogy; if the government was trying to shoot me I would take it personally. Originally by: Dark Shikari And if a pirate kills you at a gate, its because you warped stupidly into their camp, not because they don't like you or are a "sociopath." The guy got killed at the gate because he's relatively new and doesn't yet know all of the "micro-rules" that Eve has - I don't consider him to be stupid at all. You have to read 1,000 posts on the forums AND try it out for yourself before you start to get the hang of it. So give him a break.
Joza Gulikoza	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:05:00 - [39] quakers They are how they are. Got to learn to live with them. As you know about those people who drag you to their level and beat you with experience, it's pointless arguing. Just my advice - don't get upset it's not worth it
Kiran Lee	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:10:00 - [40] To the OP Unfortunatly this is eve. And eve is not the friendliest game. Also There will never be a shortage of people who feel the need to kill players at gates regardless of wether its a noob or vet. Like someone said before there were 1.0 massacres. 1 person sitting at the entry port of a noob station popping all the poor noobs. No skill involved, and nothing to be gained except personal gratification. Usually these same guys gate camping or sniping are the first to cry if a covert sneaks up while 6 bombers who were waiting at the gate for the sniper to show all decloak and fire while the cov ops scrams, Its really funny. Why do Griefer pirates also have all sorts of profanity in their bio and Title?? Does it make them feel cool or something??

Barak Torginn	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:31:00 - [41] People that play EvE are TOTAL JERKS! PvPers are JERKS! That's why you got shot at. JERKS!
Espen	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:34:00 - [42] Originally by: Hardin An Executioner with two Internal Nanofibres and an MWD will get you past any gate in the game provided you ain't afking - perfect taxi and perfect for going to buy skill books... try that with my smart bomb phoon at the gate.
Grey Nova	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:40:00 - [43] It's never a good Idea to use AP in -4 space, people really dont give a rats arse if you have just started playing and are carrying your entire eve net worth on the ship you saved up for 2 weeks to get. Make no mistake about it the game Is designed for those griefters that got banned from other mmo's to have a home. At least you'll triple check where the item is your buying next time, often saving a few thousand isk can cost you millions.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:42:00 - [44] Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 28/03/2006 18:44:39 Whats wrong with random murder and vandalism? Fighting someone who is stronger then you without you being cornered => stupid => immature Preying on the weak and the helpless, avoiding the strong => smart => mature Eve tries to make things matter by using the concept of loss. If you get blown up, you cant just "restart / ressurect", like you can in quake or WoW. If loss happens on your terms, there is no point in loss whatsoever. Questioning people's motives is ... immature. There is no "why". there is only the fact that they (and me) will harm you whenever possible, unless you prove to be usefull ("friend"). And yep, Eve allows and encourages Griefing. In real world, you call it terrorism or heroism, depending on point of view.
Naleb Cilani	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:43:00 - [45] Let's see...i've lost about 200mil in implants going to 0.0 and you lost a Commorant + started a complain post? Whine more after you lose something more substantial besides your e-dignity (TM). Quote: if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
Grey Nova	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Naleb Cilani Let's see...i've lost about 200mil in implants going to 0.0 and you lost a Commorant + started a complain post? Whine more after you lose something more substantial besides your e-dignity (TM). Sorry but if a noob player loses his ship and most of his networth, thats the same if not worst than your 200mill, as you probably have the means to get it back in what a few hours? Where a new player may have to work hard for 2 weeks to get back all he lost. Actully sounds like your the one whining.
Mike Moss	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:52:00 - [47] So you could have avoided it. So you should have expected it. So what? Because the real question is, why would players want to do this in the first place? I cannot imagine myself blowing away someone who is defenseless just because I can, and I've leveled up on PvP servers in two other games. Gate camping to shoot newbies? Say what you will about freedom, challenge ... whatever ... the problem is that EVE seems to attract people with this sort of back alley backstabbing hoodlum mentality. I wonder why? My first day playing EVE, someone asked on Rookie Chat, "What is the point of this game?" The answer they got was "Level up and be a complete [expletive deleted] like everyone else." But I'm not a "complete [expletive deleted]" so do I belong here? Is there anything to EVE once you level up and get a decent ship other than drive-by shootings of small children?
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:56:00 - [48] Well, everyone is right that is EVE, low sec is the last place you wanna hit auto pilot and afk, or fly an expensive ship for a pick up. But by the same token please all the gate campers stop whining that people who don;t want to be victimized stay in empire. Also stop whining for changes to force people into low sec for your lame gate camps as well. Empire dweller can deal with taking thier lumps and not whining, unfortunately the low sec carebears can't seem to not whine, and grow some balls and fight other low sec carebears.... instead they avoid each othewr to prey on empire types to take peeks into low sec.
Naleb Cilani	Posted - 2006.03.28 18:59:00 - [49] Originally by: Grey Nova A Commorant can be easily replaced by a newbie. They get a free +1 implant at the end of those early storyline missions. Plus insurance. And bear in mind, I didn't question the motives of 0.0 players or low-sec pirates. Can the OP say the same? Quote: if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
Friedrick Psitalon	Posted - 2006.03.28 19:24:00 - [50] Pardon me for entering into this obviously pointless debate, but I do have one thing that I would like to point out. Everytime someone mercilessly whacks a true noob, we all may lose something. A mercilessly, senselessly whacked noob may simply say, "This game sucks!" and leave. What's the end result there? 1 less player. 1 less "carebear target" for a pirate? 1 less evil pirate for a pirate hunter one day? 1 less miner pulling in ore? 1 less agent runner with a yummy ship to get ganked? 1 less researcher trying to pull in a BPO for your corp one day? 1 less industrialist building a POS/ship for you to buy? 1 less person in EVE, 1 less income for CCP, 1 chunk of cash they won't use to better the game and in turn better their own income. I sincerely doubt that EVE is intended to be the mad asylum of the gaming world where all the kicked-offs go. I think that CCP - as, in my limited experience, seems to be true - expects the players to solve their problems theirselves, and oftentimes they do. I'm a little surprised that a pirate-hunting, gate-clearing corporation or three haven't sprung up; the opportunity for the work is certainly there. It may be that they exist and I simply haven't seen them yet. CAN you gank a noob immediately? Certainly. Since we can't even tell true noobs from account alts, there's arguments to be made there. Should you gank a noob instantly? I would argue that the 1-in-1-million chance of snagging a BPO, or the rookie-ship-load of Zydrine isn't worth the risk of alienating a brand new player to the game. One less person enjoying the game with us is more valuable, IMO. "Welcome to EVE" aren't the proper words when "Goodbye from EVE" is the action. 1 less player playing the game and we all lose. You want to gatecamp? Pop me in my BC anytime if I come by and I'm too sloppy to check the way. But if you want more corpmates, more high-value targets, more of whatever you want in the game, make a decision to let the noob frigates fly by - one player at a time. If you're that torched about fake noobs, fit the friggin' scanner. Gate campers usually work in packs and are at minimal risk anyhow. :P Let the real ones pass or we end up losing players - maybe not all; but some...one gank at a time. _______________________________________________ Never fear going out on a limb; it is there that you will find the fruit. - Friedrick, resident noob poster

MrTripps	Posted - 2006.03.28 19:54:00 - [51] Quote: Do they get off on the idea of being so powerful they can whipe someone out whos many levels below them in skills and tech who has no chance of fighting back while hes sitting there typing in the chat "stop moving so you can die!" Yep. I'm quite sure the three big rats that gate camp my most common route every weekend do. Even with a good insta my cruiser was taken down to hull before I got through the gate. That ships destroyed on the last hour display setting is good for spotting gate camps.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:00:00 - [52] Originally by: Nyphur I think some of it comes from the myths of people transporting T2 bpos in shuttles and getting ganked by someone who was bored but most of it is just plain human nature. A corpmate blew up a shuttle that was carrying 10 +3 implants they were all destroyed though. (This was in 0.0 and the target was in a hostile alliance) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Mike Moss	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:03:00 - [53] Insurance Company! Ah! Of course. The insurance company could be the solution to irresponsible hooliganistic piracy. Piracy is a possible role, but it needs to operate within reasonable guidelines. For example, some scenario like newb frigate on a datasheet courier mission comes through the gate and gets blown up by battlecruisers who kill him because they can. Whilst laughing at the poor noob, they note that their Eve Mail icon is flashing. It is a letter from the insurance company! Which says, "Hi there, you initiated hostilities against a craft beneath your attack privileges that was within the normal operational range of a gate and destroyed it; resulting in inconvenience to the pilot of said craft and the loss of his cargo. Within three days you must remit to us X ISK to cover the value of the craft, its fittings, and the cargo, and a further Y ISK because the pilot got whiplash. If you do not remit this sum, your insurance coverage on all your ships will be cancelled, and you will be subject to attack on detection by any of our Claims Adjusters who happen to find you! And of course, we would then have to notify the Interstellar Revenue Service as well. You wouldn't want us to do that, would you? Have a nice day." Er ... we do have an Interstellar Revenue Service don't we?
Wizerud	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:03:00 - [54] Perhaps the original poster didn't appreciate that 0.4 systems can be dangerous. Hopefully, if nothing else, he's learned that, because he's obviously surpised that this happened to him. The fact that he took his slow-ass destroyer there when he could have simply bought a shuttle for 9k is testament to this. To the OP - you were killed because you were there. Simple as that. Don't think of the people who killed you as bad people. Just because they killed you doesn't make them immature, you don't know them and you're taking it way too personally. If you have it within yourself, give them the benefit of the doubt and think of them as roleplayers It's easier to deal with that way. And perhaps more immersive I swear, sometimes it's like some people have never played an online game with other players before. Having played EQ on a PvP server for a long time I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this sort of thing happened. Strange things happen to people when you put them behind a keyboard and tell them to interact with others, anonymously. Don't take it so personally. They may just be jerks, but you don't know that.
KOJIKI	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Nova Incantus And no... I dont expect any sort of Carebear fantacy world from this game, I would however expect some of you to grow a pair and go out and take on people your own size instead of just accepting it as the standard you live by and that is what **es me off I bet many of you have even done it yourselves. Many of us have died your death in the beginning and many of us kill peeps like you for breakfast. But while dying we learned how to survive! Try to learn from your enemy as well as older players and hopefully you will became wise and survive. Of course we are accepting pvp as the standard, that is EVE. You don't like you can play something else. But it's filled with real peeps, so you will find all sorts. Many of this thread have skills exceding 25-30 mil, we have grown "many pairs" since we started with EVE Originally by:** Nova Incantus but anyway, no im not going to hide in 0.5 space if I got to go to 0.4 or lower then thats a chance I got to take. About the only useful advice on this thread I've seen is someone reminding me to check the local.... while instas are nice you cant use an insta to a gate you haven't been to before. As for typing into local "please stop shooting me" theres not much else you can do when warping to agate then blown away Look, what blows me away the most are peeps that don't bother to read a few threads and advice before they start playing! This forum has loads and loads of stickies, tutorials and advice regarding low sec, concorde and pirates. READ IT! You can make instas for a new system on the fly! I do it all the time in deep 0.0 I'm new to. Most systems have more than one way to get in and around to. Use your map for jumps and people in the last 30 minutes, stations and other info that will give a preview what's up ahead. Jump in, read local, INCLUDING character info, and if deemed friendly make an insta TO the gate you just came i via, first thing. This will be your way back out. Do it when you still have an empty hold. If sure you are safe to jump to out-gate, do so... jump in, rinse and re-use! Once you reach your target you will now have the added bonus of instas all the way back!! Check different times of the day - some routes are almost empty at certain times. Make safespots and log off, relog few hours later to check activity, observe, learn and use your brain! And try to understand what peeps are telling you in this thread. Fast frigates with MWD and stabs survive camps. Fast frigates with AB and stabs survive bubbles. Speed is your friend, if you can get that baby over 2000m/s you stand a fair chance! It will give you far more satisfaction being shot at and surviving than blaming the rest of the players for your misery!
Ikvar	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Barak Torginn People that play EvE are TOTAL JERKS! PvPers are JERKS! That's why you got shot at. JERKS! Originally by: xsolarisx eve-online takes money out my credit card each month without my permission
babyblue	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:20:00 - [57] Originally by: Mike Moss Insurance Company! Ah! Of course. The insurance company could be the solution to irresponsible hooliganistic piracy. Piracy is a possible role, but it needs to operate within reasonable guidelines. For example, some scenario like newb frigate on a datasheet courier mission comes through the gate and gets blown up by battlecruisers who kill him because they can. Whilst laughing at the poor noob, they note that their Eve Mail icon is flashing. It is a letter from the insurance company! Which says, "Hi there, you initiated hostilities against a craft beneath your attack privileges that was within the normal operational range of a gate and destroyed it; resulting in inconvenience to the pilot of said craft and the loss of his cargo. Within three days you must remit to us X ISK to cover the value of the craft, its fittings, and the cargo, and a further Y ISK because the pilot got whiplash. If you do not remit this sum, your insurance coverage on all your ships will be cancelled, and you will be subject to attack on detection by any of our Claims Adjusters who happen to find you! And of course, we would then have to notify the Interstellar Revenue Service as well. You wouldn't want us to do that, would you? Have a nice day." Er ... we do have an Interstellar Revenue Service don't we? lmao - NPC loss adjusters ftw
Midori Quin	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:22:00 - [58] Sanguine Legion, noobs in frigs ganking noobs, pirates and anti-pirates in low sec just for fun we love it, we dont care how you feel, thats just how some ppl play the game btw we dont camp gates cuz its very boring and we dont have the SP to do it
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Nova Incantus (first of all let me say, I forgot to pay attention and bought 2 skillbooks 1 8 jumps from me the other 12 jumps from there) so Im making an 8 jump run from a 0.6-0.4 sec of space to pick up a skill book, I get there in my Cormorant without a scratch. I pick up the book and decide to buy a few more gunnery skills there since they were cheaper at that particular station. I then undock from the station and turn on autopilot to begin my next jump trip for the other book. I get to the jumpgate 15km from it when I find 2 Battlecrusiers sitting there warpscrabling me and firing all their weapons at me. I know its the way of life out in 0.4 sec or lower but seriously... what possesses 2 guys to sit at a gate and blow away newbies who they know cant even scratch thier shields. Do they get off on the idea of being so powerful they can whipe someone out whos many levels below them in skills and tech who has no chance of fighting back while hes sitting there typing in the chat "stop moving so you can die!" Major lack of maturity atm i use moa to camp gates for newbs its realy funny
Drizit	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:43:00 - [60] Sorry. See above, I edited after I read it back it cos it wasn't meant to infer you as an indvidual but you beat me to it. --

babyblue	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:47:00 - [61] Originally by: Drizit Sorry. See above, I edited after I read it back it cos it wasn't meant to infer you as an indvidual but you beat me to it. TouchT!
Kasak Black	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:51:00 - [62] Mate you got you're scaith ruined in 0.4, here is some advice... Go below 0.5 and prepare for possible PVP combat at every gate, end of story. If you don't think you will get hurt, don't complain on here when you do.
crom ralphfao	Posted - 2006.03.28 21:00:00 - [63] when you go shopping, open up the map browser to see where the hops are going to take you....also, those hops dont neccesarily need to be taken right away. use the map filters to determine when the player ship kills are low. the market can be a tricky thing to get used to, start shopping by station, then system, then region.......you might also be within a few jumps of a completely different region and could have avoided unnecessary jumps. another thing i do is whenever i travel somewhere for a purchase, i take a general look at the market and use the in game note pad to make a notation on particularly good markets hubs. on the gate camping and low sec stuff.....use your map and all its goodies and if you frequent certain low sec systems, spend the time to make some instas with a shuttle.....even if you get a few thousand kms closer, that could make a difference.......have someone walk you through making a safespot between the gate and somewhere, use this to warp and scan, if all is clear, warp out. cheers
Drakus Felborne	Posted - 2006.03.28 21:09:00 - [64] My .02 isk: I hate gankers. I despise them. They are the worst part of any game. They are the 1 percenters of mmo's. They create the worst impression of an online community, resulting in the "only 14-year-old sociopathic parasites whose parents doped them up with ritalin and ignored them are playing these games" image. But, it's better that these ********* are here, rather than outside, slashing people's tires, setting neighbor's pets on fire, etc.. As much as it sucks, it could be worse. These games just tend to accumulate them, due to them being to cowardly to face the consequences of their tendencies in the real world.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.03.28 21:33:00 - [65] Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 28/03/2006 21:33:40 Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 28/03/2006 21:32:46 Some of us (ironicaly some resellers who can lose bilions with one cargo, not just a pathetic t1 ship) actually like to be shot at without any reason when we go to lowsec. We want war, bloodshed, random murder, because that is in our blood. Nothing prevents us from playing singleplayer games, or elfland happy tree hugging online if we want peace and harmony for a change. When we get blown up, we ask "what did i wrong", not "do these sociopaths put pets on fire while living in their mums basements". I want to be hunted whereever i go (even high-sec), so that i have to use wits and cunning to survive in eve, not 5 accounts doing freighterruns while im afk. You dont seem to enjoy random bloodshed. I do. If i win, i want to win by my own strength alone. No mercy, no quarter. Not just some gentleman's agreement: you win once, i win once, then we go drink tea.
babyblue	Posted - 2006.03.28 21:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 28/03/2006 21:33:40 Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 28/03/2006 21:32:46 Some of us (ironicaly some resellers who can lose bilions with one cargo, not just a pathetic t1 ship) actually like to be shot at without any reason when we go to lowsec. We want war, bloodshed, random murder, because that is in our blood. Nothing prevents us from playing singleplayer games, or elfland happy tree hugging online if we want peace and harmony for a change. When we get blown up, we ask "what did i wrong", not "do these sociopaths put pets on fire while living in their mums basements". I want to be hunted whereever i go (even high-sec), so that i have to use wits and cunning to survive in eve, not 5 accounts doing freighterruns while im afk. You dont seem to enjoy random bloodshed. I do. If i win, i want to win by my own strength alone. No mercy, no quarter. Not just some gentleman's agreement: you win once, i win once, then we go drink tea. A totally fair and valid opinion imho. But the point is it can be bewildering for a new player (and some older ones). Please edit your post again: exchange Tea for Jack Daniels .
Viceroy	Posted - 2006.03.28 21:45:00 - [67] Quote: what possesses 2 guys to sit at a gate and blow away newbies who they know cant even scratch thier shields. Do they get off on the idea of being so powerful they can whipe someone out whos many levels below them in skills and tech who has no chance of fighting back while hes sitting there typing in the chat "stop moving so you can die!" Gate ganking griefer here. We get off the fact that people like you cry about how we ganked them. It's awesome to see people trying to shift the responsibility of their own stupidity to other places, not because anyone actually takes them seriously on the issue, but because self-deceit and denial are the two most pathetically amusing characteristics of human beings. So please, continue crying a river about how people are immature and how you had no chance to fight back bla bla bla. Continue to do so, while those twice as smart as you and ten times better at judging themselves fit nanofibers, smack on a mwd and cruise past 2 battlecruiser gatecamps in 0.4 systems with no trouble. I swear, some people would whine that zerg rushing in starcraft is immature and lame if they failed to stop it (Which btw is easy).
Morgana Janan	Posted - 2006.03.28 21:48:00 - [68] General rule for EVE, to quote a show I like: If someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back! That's EVE in a nutshell. At least to me. ______________________________________________ When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.28 21:56:00 - [69] Originally by: Nova Incantus I get to the jumpgate 15km from it when I find 2 Battlecrusiers sitting there warpscrabling me and firing all their weapons at me. It sounds like you werent paying attention or were semi-afk. A lesson learnt at the school of hard knocks.
Alberta	Posted - 2006.03.28 21:56:00 - [70] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 28/03/2006 16:16:29 Sorry for the bad time in EvE. EvE is a game that seems to attract would be psychos around the world. I'll take that as a confession and walk on by pretending I didn't see you standing there with that big axe. My Thoughts on Game Balance

O'Sirius	Posted - 2006.03.28 22:19:00 - [71] blah, blah, blah, I got blown up, blah, blah... blah, blah, blah, live and learn, blah, blah... Now to make something productive out of this post, I've been playing this game for about 8 months now and I don't know how to make these "instas" you guys are talking about, someone care to enlighten me? I assume you're talking about waypoints? But then don't you still only warp to within 15km to them? So then why would just jumping to the gate would be differnt?
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.28 22:21:00 - [72] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/03/2006 22:21:30 Someone killed me in Unreal Tournament the other day. I hate people who kill me while playing Unreal Tournament. ***** sociopaths. ** them. We should all just join hands and be friends For those who are blind, this post is satire. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Toksin	Posted - 2006.03.28 22:30:00 - [73] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/03/2006 22:21:30 Someone killed me in Unreal Tournament the other day. I hate people who kill me while playing Unreal Tournament. ***** sociopaths. ** them. We should all just join hands and be friends For those who are blind, this post is satire. Seriously. Unreal Tournament is a ******* CAREBEAR GAME. Geeez. But, seriously. When I lost my first ship to pirates/people(It was in 0.0, so..), I was angry, confused, angry, and sad, and angered. (Looks pointedly at BoB) I had all of my worth in skillboks in that shuttle. The weird thing is, I HAD INSTAS, but didn't know how to use them..... But, anyway, I didn't understand why 3 HACs(Looks pointedly at BoB) would kill a SHUTTLE. Then I grew a pair. And went and got my revenge, later on. --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views.
Jin Entres	Posted - 2006.03.28 22:48:00 - [74] Originally by: Dark Shikari For those who are blind, this post is satire. You should post that in touch letters because the blind can't see it! Umm, and on topic ... What's wrong with people? First off, drawing conclusions about other people's motivations, intentions and even personality and permanent characteristics (often based on stereotypes) based on insufficient information, and often bias. Secondly, blaming others for one's own mistakes or expecting the world to change to accomodate one's own needs. That's two things, for now. Try not to be so narrow-minded. Live and learn, adapt and move on.
Virvana Sharpur	Posted - 2006.03.28 23:57:00 - [75] The last few days, I am very much suprised at how tame the vast majority of losec space actually is. One could survive for days out there and never meet a threatening player. Its live and let live in many cases. In fact, most of losec is abandoned. Its a different matter entirely in the gates from 0.4 and below, leading to systems 0.5 and above. There one will find some of the most powerful characters and ships in the game who exist for no other reason than to prevent pilots from travelling between hisec and losec. One cannot reason with these people, or bargan with them. They will destroy ships for no other reason than they can. Whether or not the ship is a threat means nothing. Whether or not the ship is carrying valuable cargo means nothing. They'll do it even if it ends up losing them ISK. ____________ "Give me one frigate pilot with faith, over an armada of a thousand battleships." --Virvana mons Sharpur, The Fleet Prayer
gfldex	Posted - 2006.03.29 00:46:00 - [76] Originally by: babyblue Approximately 2% of people are Sociopaths. That is, they don't really do Empathy or Sympathy - these two emotions are important enablers of harmony in group behaviour. Most gates are camped by _groups_. I would say you just proven yourself wrong. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.03.29 00:55:00 - [77] Meh, I love roaming low sec in a rupture and taking on stuff bigger than me :D - You got pwnd by us too :P - Wrangler lol - Imaran
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.03.29 00:58:00 - [78] Gate camping IMO always has been and always will be ghey... I've been the victim, and the killer. They suck when you die from them, and they are boring as hell when you are camping them... It's the way of EVE however as the DEV's seem to like it this way. You'll just have to get used to it... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.03.29 01:02:00 - [79] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 29/03/2006 01:02:56 uhm, this post made me think a lot... You said battlecruisers ? They had to tank the sentry guns, if they were able to scramble you at the gate. I've no clue. Is this possible e.g. in a ferox ? I've never tried to tank sentries and I don't fly ferox. If this works, it's at least .... interesting. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
gfldex	Posted - 2006.03.29 01:14:00 - [80] Originally by: Snake Jankins They had to tank the sentry guns, if they were able to scramble you at the gate. A prophecy can tank 2 sentries until it runs out of cap charges (around 3 minutes). -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'

gfldex	Posted - 2006.03.29 01:25:00 - [81] Some words about piracy and gate camping. I'm watching anything that devs say and write very carefully and I have noticed that one term is used over and over again. It is "player created content". I was wondering why the sec status and bounty system is as it is. Because it actualy is not providing anything like safety. By thinking about player created content and piracy I found an explanation I feel confortable with. In EVE we have regions with better resources but higher risk. At least it's called low sec. But without the help of players low sec would not be risky at all. There are no fat NPC bosses that spawn by random next beside you and pwn you. It's me (some times) how spawns next beside you. When I come and try to hunt you down (there are ppl who know how to run but luckyly they are seldom) I provide content to you and others by giving the term low sec a meaning. The OP used the word immature twice. How can you call players immature while _you_ come to the forum, insult ppl and whine about business as usual? -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Wendat Huron	Posted - 2006.03.29 01:40:00 - [82] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 29/03/2006 01:46:05 Take their names down and make it your business to kill them and their associates every chance you get, with enough people on their backs they'll do little else but run.
Vikram Bedi	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:08:00 - [83] Originally by: gfldex Some words about piracy and gate camping. I'm watching anything that devs say and write very carefully and I have noticed that one term is used over and over again. It is "player created content". I was wondering why the sec status and bounty system is as it is. Because it actualy is not providing anything like safety. By thinking about player created content and piracy I found an explanation I feel confortable with. In EVE we have regions with better resources but higher risk. At least it's called low sec. But without the help of players low sec would not be risky at all. There are no fat NPC bosses that spawn by random next beside you and pwn you. It's me (some times) how spawns next beside you. When I come and try to hunt you down (there are ppl who know how to run but luckyly they are seldom) I provide content to you and others by giving the term low sec a meaning. The OP used the word immature twice. How can you call players immature while _you_ come to the forum, insult ppl and whine about business as usual? I'm a n00b who just got unapologetically ganked for absolutely no reason other than the fact that ganking noobs is what gets the "gankers" pecker hard, and I'd like to echo this posters sentiments. When you're playing a standard single player game you don't ask "why did that goomba kill me?" You just accept that the other characters that aren't YOU in the game may be trying to kill you for whatever reason they have. Now, single player games gradually increase the danger in direct relation to your skill level, that is, you can't get into the "high danger" part of the game until you've beaten the "low danger", "medium danger", and "medium-high" danger, thus proving that you're capable of handling the tough stuff. Eve gives you the same levels of danger, but let's you pick where you want to go. .4 and lower are the last levels of the game. If you (like me) prefer to jump in above your head and play a more difficult game in relative to your skill level, don't complain when it takes more lives to get used to it. You can always stay at level 1 for a while, and if these guys didn't provide danger to the noobs, then there would be no reason to stay in high sec, as there would be no real "risk" to counter the reward that low sec offers. I certainly knew the dangers of taking a poorly outfitted destroyer into .4. That I lasted a little more than a day is a victory in my mind, rather than a loss. The only beating I regret is the one that doesn't teach me something. Even still, I'm gonna level up some and go looking for the zit popper that poached my half shielded, just-got-finished-taking-out-a-cruiser catalyst...
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:25:00 - [84] On teh Flip side it feels great to get past a gate camp thinking "hahahaha up yours mate, worse luck next time" ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:29:00 - [85] oh well best bet is to remember their names and seek revenge someday, but you will need major backup in the tackling end since gate campers probally have all their lows filled with WCS.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:30:00 - [86] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker oh well best bet is to remember their names and seek revenge someday, but you will need major backup in the tackling end since gate campers probally have all their lows filled with WCS. No gatecamper will ever tank sentries with lows full of WCS . I think you're talking about snipers, and even they mostly have damage mods in lows. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Sir Juri	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:34:00 - [87] Originally by: Nova Incantus (first of all let me say, I forgot to pay attention and bought 2 skillbooks 1 8 jumps from me the other 12 jumps from there) so Im making an 8 jump run from a 0.6-0.4 sec of space to pick up a skill book, I get there in my Cormorant without a scratch. I pick up the book and decide to buy a few more gunnery skills there since they were cheaper at that particular station. I then undock from the station and turn on autopilot to begin my next jump trip for the other book. I get to the jumpgate 15km from it when I find 2 Battlecrusiers sitting there warpscrabling me and firing all their weapons at me. I know its the way of life out in 0.4 sec or lower but seriously... what possesses 2 guys to sit at a gate and blow away newbies who they know cant even scratch thier shields. Do they get off on the idea of being so powerful they can whipe someone out whos many levels below them in skills and tech who has no chance of fighting back while hes sitting there typing in the chat "stop moving so you can die!" Major lack of maturity I send my grat's to the BC pilots, nice job we need ppl like you, without you ppl like Nova will never know what he pays for (EVE is about PVP? .) Im a noob, bear with me :P
gfldex	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:41:00 - [88] Originally by: Vikram Bedi .4 and lower are the last levels of the game. You don't need skills to use insta. You don't need skills to use the map. You don't need skills to ask a corp mate to scout befor you. But you have to be willing to learn how to do it. And that's what most ppl lack of. They prefere to come to the forums and insult ppl. Luckyly I can do something about it. You are not save in a frig or shuttle in 1.0 when I'm around. And I give a beep how you call me afterward. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Gah'khaz	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:44:00 - [89] you don't need skills to stay out of low sec until you can handle it either..
Drakus Felborne	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:52:00 - [90] Unfortunatly, studying the map only goes so far. You can't tell if that 1 pilot in space is a shuttle or a carrier that just logged in.

Vikram Bedi	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:54:00 - [91] Originally by: gfldex Originally by: Vikram Bedi .4 and lower are the last levels of the game. You don't need skills to use insta. You don't need skills to use the map. You don't need skills to ask a corp mate to scout befor you. But you have to be willing to learn how to do it. And that's what most ppl lack of. They prefere to come to the forums and insult ppl. Luckyly I can do something about it. You are not save in a frig or shuttle in 1.0 when I'm around. And I give a beep how you call me afterward. You don't need in-game "skill items", but you do need skills, that you build up through practice and learning... hey, I don't even know what an "insta" is. What I'm saying is, if you're a n00b and go into the lower sec levels, don't complain when you get ganked. The other players are the "bad guys" in this game, and they don't neccarily need a profit motive to kill you.
Nova Incantus	Posted - 2006.03.29 03:43:00 - [92] hmmmm wow yall have managed to stretch and skew this post to the point where it sounds like the guys camping the jumpgate were the real victims. oh well, I guess I'll take the blame for this then... -its my fault I had never heard of instas till an hour after I had turned on autopilot and wound up faceing 2 battlecrusiers -I knew 0.4 was dangerous but I chanced it anyway because I had to pick up an item -I should have asked my corp to see how safe the area was. -I should have 2-3 alts to fly all over the map and scout out areas -I should have taken a shuttle and not known it was dangerous and decided to go with something with a larger shield -I should have just known to do all these things cause apprently they are things new players should just know -I really shouldn't post discussion topics in here because very few of you can handle simply giving a few helpful hints you'd rather flame away about how much I suck and that you think im whining. Good Job. And lets put it this way. Im fine with the fact that I got blown up, I may hate the circumstances but I can see its fact of life in eve. About the only thing I've learned out of this entire ordeal is to post here in the forums as little as possible. Very few of you ever seem to have learned the old addage "if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all" nor do you have much to offer in the way of helpful information. But anyway thats all I got to say, I wish you luck in Eve and I wish you safe jumping ---------------------- If you build it, they will come and attack it. Nova Incantus - [SAK]
Gallente Incursus	Posted - 2006.03.29 03:56:00 - [93] By the way: Buy only skills you can start training the instant you buy them. Train each one you buy for about 10 seconds, that way when you get blowed up, your skills dont go bye bye too. Advice: 50isk, kthnx Behold, a pale horse. And the name of he who rode him was death, and hell followed with him.
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.03.29 04:00:00 - [94] Originally by: Nova Incantus hmmmm wow yall have managed to stretch and skew this post to the point where it sounds like the guys camping the jumpgate were the real victims. oh well, I guess I'll take the blame for this then... -its my fault I had never heard of instas till an hour after I had turned on autopilot and wound up faceing 2 battlecrusiers -I knew 0.4 was dangerous but I chanced it anyway because I had to pick up an item -I should have asked my corp to see how safe the area was. -I should have 2-3 alts to fly all over the map and scout out areas -I should have taken a shuttle and not known it was dangerous and decided to go with something with a larger shield -I should have just known to do all these things cause apprently they are things new players should just know -I really shouldn't post discussion topics in here because very few of you can handle simply giving a few helpful hints you'd rather flame away about how much I suck and that you think im whining. Good Job. And lets put it this way. Im fine with the fact that I got blown up, I may hate the circumstances but I can see its fact of life in eve. About the only thing I've learned out of this entire ordeal is to post here in the forums as little as possible. Very few of you ever seem to have learned the old addage "if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all" nor do you have much to offer in the way of helpful information. But anyway thats all I got to say, I wish you luck in Eve and I wish you safe jumping Well the thread name kinda leaves a lot be disaired so does the comments on the maurity of the peeps that blew you up... I bet just about if not everybody that has posted could relate at least one if nota whole lot more incidents where they have lost ships+cargo some of it very expensive due to others. Persanlly mine was a fast locking BS i undocked into in 0.0 from a station that kicks you out at full speed that manged to get me scramed just before I warped out heavy nos, web, drones moving about 15ms...that cost me a deimos...was seconds away from docking when he got the last of my structure... Unfotunaty my insta was almost the other direction from the undock direction. you gotnailed by 2 BCs it was 2 BS that took me down...it happens you get over it, if you don't/can't then eve is not the game for you Oh by the way my resposewas totry and arrange a gang to help nial him but it could not get togher fast enuff to do so ,of course I am not going to dwel on the words I spoke when it happened and I do belive the corp channel left no doubt how I felt about it stright away to my corp mates ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
gfldex	Posted - 2006.03.29 04:18:00 - [95] Originally by: Nova Incantus -I should have just known to do all these things cause apprently they are things new players should just know Wrong! Knowledge will not come to you by itself. Originally by: Nova Incantus -I really shouldn't post discussion topics in here because very few of you can handle simply giving a few helpful hints you'd rather flame away about how much I suck and that you think im whining. Good Job. So you expect us to have friendly words for you after you insult our friends or well respected enemies? If you would have read here in this forum befor you started to complain you would have found a lot usefull information and help. The EVE community is the most mature and helpfull I have ever met. Show respect and ppl will be respectfull in return. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Kira Natel	Posted - 2006.03.29 04:28:00 - [96] Originally by: gfldex Some words about piracy and gate camping. I'm watching anything that devs say and write very carefully and I have noticed that one term is used over and over again. It is "player created content". "Player created content" Imo this is one of the biggest mistakes CCP ever decided upon. In theory it sounds nice but in practice, its less than desirable. Players don't create content no matter how much they think they do. In 0.0 content is alliances and politics. In low sec its ganking and gate-camping. that's not content in my book altho a lot of people do. I think most people just put up with it in 0.0 or low sec and hope for the best. The open-endedness of Eve and its no set path, do pretty much whatever you want is its greatest selling point; also allows it to be its worst point. The root of the problem is that whatever one player thinks of as player content, there is another player that will depsise it. Chaos and anarchy are the immediate result. Hard feelings and the underpopulated 0.0 /low sec is the long-term ongoing result. Just read the Eve general forums on just about any topic. CCP has a bunch a great people with a vision and implemented it fairly well with a few road bumps, but have not really understood a lot of their playerbase. Sometimes I think the Devs are all just gatecamping pirates who didn't bother to try out the other aspects of their own game. Just my 3 cents
crom ralphfao	Posted - 2006.03.29 04:53:00 - [97] i tried to help......but the middle stuff gets lost in threads longer than 2 pages, join a corp.....it will increase your fun and they will help you out. my little corp isnt recruiting atm, your character is relatively new so maybe go kamikaze and some pvper might take pity on you and invite you in. cheerio
Nyabinghi	Posted - 2006.03.29 05:16:00 - [98] The reason piracy in EVE is so pathetic (as oppose to just being an annoyance) is because pirates gloat and slap high fives to each other everytime they pod a newbie in a mining Frig. Paleese. They do it for what? Mount that little piece of a Probe on the wall? Bask in the riches of 100m3 of Veldspar and a Civilian Shield?
Virvana Sharpur	Posted - 2006.03.29 08:19:00 - [99] Edited by: Virvana Sharpur on 29/03/2006 08:21:45 Edited by: Virvana Sharpur on 29/03/2006 08:20:28 Originally by: gfldex So you expect us to have friendly words for you after you insult our friends or well respected enemies? Yes. Seriously people. We need to clean this place up. This is probably the only place I know of where people don't even need a reason to hate someone else. Because the truth of it is, we are not all that helpful around here. I speak for myself as well when I say we all can get better, and have a bit more consideration. We should re-read Friedrick Psitalon's post above. ____________ "Give me one frigate pilot with faith, over an armada of a thousand battleships." --Virvana mons Sharpur, The Fleet Prayer
Kastar	Posted - 2006.03.29 08:38:00 - [100] Originally by: Abraxus I have exactly zero sympathy for someone getting blown up in <0.4 Know the risks or don't go there. Oh come on, that's a bit harsh Cut the new players some slack and forgive them their sins to post and complain :) It's all ok as long he doesn't keep whining and learns from the mistake. OP, they're right though Only stick your nose out prepared. You'll see it's fun

Kastar	Posted - 2006.03.29 08:41:00 - [101] Originally by: Nyabinghi The reason piracy in EVE is so pathetic (as oppose to just being an annoyance) is because pirates gloat and slap high fives to each other everytime they pod a newbie in a mining Frig. Paleese. They do it for what? Mount that little piece of a Probe on the wall? Bask in the riches of 100m3 of Veldspar and a Civilian Shield? Rabble rabble rabble. Survival of the fittest dude. Most people only tend to forget the strongest is not necessarily the one with the biggest gun. Try it once and fail and get ganked. that's not unusual. Do it twice and complain and you just proved you're not fit for Eve. there are literally 100's of ways you can avoid that. Just use your brain.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.03.29 08:48:00 - [102] You could have been carrying anything. We've killed shuttles with BPOs, noob frigs hauling faction loot, Battleships hauling Morphite......anything that can't kill you, you kill, just on the off chance it has something nice. And if it doesn't, for killing it you lose nothing. Well, you lose ammo :) Some people don't even kill for this: they kill to be territorial, they kill for fun, they kill because they can. Whatever the reason, its your own fault for not being careful enough. My rule that I always give to new players, is not to go into low sec for any reason at all, until you're prepared to fight multiple ships, or know how to avoid a gatecamp. It's just not worth that 5 jumps saved, as you have found out. Testy's Eve Blog!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.29 08:55:00 - [103] tbh I CCP would combine the ship and cargo scanner - would make ransom far easier as you don't need to waste 1/2-2/3 of your mid slots just to make sure you get a good ransom. Of course I don't pirate anymore, but something like that would make me go back. Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.03.29 08:58:00 - [104] omg buhu Can some people learn tot ake this game somewhat less seriously please ? When people shoot you its not personal. It doesn't really hurt you and yes, it's an intended game fature. get over it learn and move on. Power to the players !
Apertotes	Posted - 2006.03.29 09:00:00 - [105] Originally by: Sarmaul tbh I CCP would combine the ship and cargo scanner - would make ransom far easier as you don't need to waste 1/2-2/3 of your mid slots just to make sure you get a good ransom. Of course I don't pirate anymore, but something like that would make me go back. yep, it could even web and scramble at the same time. though they should change the module icon to a hull with two bones crossing it , and only player with security status of -5 or lower could fit it Apertotes, the Guybrush Threepwood of New Eve
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.29 09:05:00 - [106] Originally by: Apertotes Originally by: Sarmaul tbh I CCP would combine the ship and cargo scanner - would make ransom far easier as you don't need to waste 1/2-2/3 of your mid slots just to make sure you get a good ransom. Of course I don't pirate anymore, but something like that would make me go back. yep, it could even web and scramble at the same time. though they should change the module icon to a hull with two bones crossing it , and only player with security status of -5 or lower could fit it I can but dream :/ Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Abraxus	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:27:00 - [107] I was in a shuttle, going through low sec because it was quicker than selecting the autopilot option to avoid low sec systems. My shuttle was blown up by a sniper bs. Luckily my pod survived somehow. I had a head full of implants so it would have been a real loss. Either way, I accept this is something that can happen by venturing into low sec without adequate setup/protection. I blame no one for this but myself and have learnt to be a bit less careless in the future. Eve is harsh which keeps a lot of lame gamers out which is one of the reasons I like it so much
Jenny Longshanks	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:41:00 - [108] Kill all them frigging gatecampers now !!
Braenwyn	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:45:00 - [109] Originally by: Jenny Longshanks Kill all them frigging gatecampers now !! /me agrees
Drizit	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:47:00 - [110] I used to think it was hard to move around lowsec to begin with until I found ways around the gate camps. I admit to posting here more than once about it as well Now I've got wise and found ways to avoid it. Fast ships or waiting till it's quiet and others, there are so many ways you can avoid it. A couple of tips from someone who was in exactly the same position a few months ago is: Don't whine, the pirates love it when you whine. A comment like, "Damn, I just resprayed it too", as your ship starts to disintegrate would be much better. If you are insured, you haven't lost much anyway except maybe a bit of cargo. If you are not, then welcome to the school of hard knocks and just accept it as a learning experience. Finally, don't smacktalk if you manage to outsmart them and get past a gate camp, you won't live long enough to even see the gate next time, player rats don't take kindly to it. You gambled, you won, leave it at that. --

Vrizuh	Posted - 2006.03.29 11:48:00 - [111] Sucks to hear it. I'm still at the sub 2 mil SP mark myself and dont imagine I'll go near low sec for a very very long time. Ppl on the forums laugh at T1 ships, and spend more on ammo in a week than I have assets to my name. If someone's poured a year into pvp skills and modules, do you really wanna go near em in your ratting boat with basic gunnery skills? That said, I know Im just too greedy. Expect me in low sec next week trying to sell ammo. All of which btw will end up in space as soon as I come out the gate.
Nicholai Pestot	Posted - 2006.03.29 13:53:00 - [112] Originally by: Nova Incantus hmmmm wow yall have managed to stretch and skew this post to the point where it sounds like the guys camping the jumpgate were the real victims. They are, as soon as you chose to insult them for performing a totaly valid in-game profession.Piracy is encouraged (hell its on the orginal Eve box), piracy is about attacking those who are weaker than you. One of the main designers of this game has confessed to having a pirate char. Out-of-game they have done NOTHING wrong, and yet you have chosen to label them as immature...so yes, they are the victims the second you wrote your orignial post. Originally by: Nova Incantus oh well, I guess I'll take the blame for this then... -its my fault I had never heard of instas till an hour after I had turned on autopilot and wound up faceing 2 battlecrusiers As a mature person it is your responsibility to learn.If you do not know something then as a mature person that is your failing, no one elses. Originally by: Nova Incantus -I knew 0.4 was dangerous but I chanced it anyway because I had to pick up an item -I should have asked my corp to see how safe the area was. Correct.You took a risk and it failed. No risk,no fun.If you don't hold to that mantra, your playing the wrong game. Originally by: Nova Incantus -I should have 2-3 alts to fly all over the map and scout out areas You have a map that shows you pilots in space and recent kills, you have a scanner that you can use in-system to show you EXACTLY what is at any location you would normally visit.Alts are usefull, but you already have a hell of alot of tools. Crazy idea, ask a friend (you know, work with other people in the MMOG...crazy hu?) to help you next time you have to transport something through lowsec that is precious to you. Originally by: Nova Incantus -I should have taken a shuttle and not known it was dangerous and decided to go with something with a larger shield You have a choice to make between speed and resiliance when traveling.Its good to see you considering this. Originally by: Nova Incantus -I should have just known to do all these things cause apprently they are things new players should just know It is your responsiblity to learn.No one elses.If there is a gap in your knowledge it is YOUR error. Originally by: Nova Incantus -I really shouldn't post discussion topics in here because very few of you can handle simply giving a few helpful hints you'd rather flame away about how much I suck and that you think im whining. Good Job. You gave up the right to a helpfull flame free thread the second you insulted an entire segment of the playerbase who are performing a valid in-game profession. Originally by: Nova Incantus And lets put it this way. Im fine with the fact that I got blown up, I may hate the circumstances but I can see its fact of life in eve. Correct, you are learning.This shows you have a basic ability needed to live in eve. Originally by: Nova Incantus About the only thing I've learned out of this entire ordeal is to post here in the forums as little as possible. Very few of you ever seem to have learned the old addage "if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all" And what about "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". If you consider insulting a portion of the playerbase something 'nice to say' then you have worse problems than getting ganked. Originally by: Nova Incantus nor do you have much to offer in the way of helpful information. Read....the.....forums. Have you even glanced at the forum titles? Look at the stickys under crime and punishment...hell spend 10 minutes going through that forum. Notice it is the pirates giving the most advice on how to survive. Zomygod, guess what, they are the people you insulted. I wonder why you haven't recieved any friendly advice....... ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
lasarith	Posted - 2006.03.29 13:59:00 - [113] Originally by: Galk Edited by: Galk on 28/03/2006 16:57:16 Originally by: Nyphur There's a lot less honour in piracy these days and there's a lot of pointless ganking. Your obviously are not aware that people used to sit outside 1.0 starter system stations back in 03 and gank new players as they undocked for the first time Highsec in the early days was as much a gankzone as lowsec is these days. i rember that when i played then, though the day i was flying a bestower and the two battle ships never fired on me, but woo was thier floating corpes around the station.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.29 14:08:00 - [114] Originally by: Rukkal Vlad has the best response I've seen so far in this thread: "Learn and move on." I'm constantly amazed when pirates justify their activites by saying something like: "I enjoy punching you in the mouth! Why don't you, you crybaby?!" Some of us don't like being punched in the mouth. Perhaps you would garner more sympathy for your theiving ways if you understood this and avoided the tempation to mock. yes, and you have a place where anyone punching you in the mouth will be ****ting teeth for the next week. there is also a dental assault area of eve, where punching people in the mouth is fully allowed, and gumshields are advisable. this is where the oral battery occured, and thus the recipient can hardly say "but i don't like mouth punching" as an excuse to be let past sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Kahor	Posted - 2006.03.29 14:20:00 - [115] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/03/2006 16:07:23 Originally by: Gungankllr That, my friend, in a nutshell, is Eve. QFE. Thats EVE allrite But next time you old scurvy vets start to ask yourself/whine why many noobs never leave high sec, ask yourself it this case might have something with it I have now played for 4 months. AND I LOVE THE GAME! Last weekend I felt bold and powerful in my brand new battlecruiser! Lots of great weapons u dig? So I decided to take it out for a voyage. Down to the local .4 sector, for some ratting. And what happend? Entered .4 space and was podded within 5 minutes. Its EVE. I accept it. its the way of the game. But I also understood pretty fast, that until I can get better or to be in a larger group low sec aint for me! So, for the next few months I will hang around in high sec. I dont whine bout it. i dont complain bout it. I just want to explor and have fun. But I understand that I am now ready. So, ill hold my breath a while longer. ...or at least till I can get another Battlecruiser and I have forgot this incident That's because you waited until you got a supposedly decent ship before going into low sector, better hang there with a frigates, loose it a couple of times but learn how to live in low sector, low sector is plenty safe is you know what you re doing. Contrary to everyone's belief, you don't NEED a big ship to go into low sector :) A rookie ship would be safe if only he knew what he was doing.
Nyabinghi	Posted - 2006.03.29 14:46:00 - [116] At any rate where are all these anti-piracy corps and headhunters? There are a number of high sec systems which have a few low secs inbetween them. People find they gotta cross into those low sec areas to get into the high sec they want. If you're smart and know how to travel through low sec then fine but if not...and if you're in a big hauler... These low sec spaces, these .4s inbetween a .6 and a .7 should be cleaned up for safe travel.
Verisin	Posted - 2006.03.29 15:11:00 - [117] Originally by: gfldex Originally by: Vikram Bedi .4 and lower are the last levels of the game. You don't need skills to use insta. You don't need skills to use the map. You don't need skills to ask a corp mate to scout befor you. But you have to be willing to learn how to do it. And that's what most ppl lack of. They prefere to come to the forums and insult ppl. Luckyly I can do something about it. You are not save in a frig or shuttle in 1.0 when I'm around. And I give a beep how you call me afterward. You need a corp to ask a guild mate to scout ahead, you need money to get an insta, and you need to figure out how the hell to use the damn tutorial to use the map. Yes, that last piece is my own pet annoyance. Really though, I jumped into the game head first, I got halfway through the tutorial and said "F--- this" and learned as I played, and it has made me a better player for it. I have gotten gate camped twice, once in a shuttle making a run to pick up a skill book, and once in a Imicus. It was annoying, not much loss though (I made money on the Imicus getting blown up.), and it made me understand Eve a lot more. Eve is dog-eat-dog, many players will get ahead by any means nececary, and if that means sending you floating in space in a pinecone, so be it. On the other hand, it makes me want to get up to a Battleship, get some friends together and start giving those campers a surprise when a Battleship and two Battle Cruisers come sailing through a gate and start kicking ass. So for me, getting gate-camped has provided motivation to get better, and let those "cowardly dogs" (as my character would say IC) know what it is like to face superior, crushing, and unavoidable firepower. Maybe I'll pod-kill them too.
Khiamara	Posted - 2006.03.29 15:22:00 - [118] Originally by: Nova Incantus Edited by: Nova Incantus on 28/03/2006 16:23:35 Originally by: James Lyrus Welcome to EVE. There's a certain measure of 'backup' provided by CONCORD and sentry guns, but it won't ever be 100% secure. Only place where that's the case is docked in a station. So yes, it's evil and mean of them. But you are empowered to control your own destiny. Will you hide in 0.5+ evermore, because you fear another player? Or will you take up the gauntlet and strike back? Or even decide that you're filled with bitterness, and take up gate ganking as your hobby as well. The freedom to choose is what makes EVE great. Concord is useless to me, the 2 times I've had my can popped while mining the other player wasn't flagged then when I shot at them on instinct Concord nuked me. And no... I dont expect any sort of Carebear fantacy world from this game, I would however expect some of you to grow a pair and go out and take on people your own size instead of just accepting it as the standard you live by and that is what ****es me off I bet many of you have even done it yourselves. but anyway, no im not going to hide in 0.5 space if I got to go to 0.4 or lower then thats a chance I got to take. About the only useful advice on this thread I've seen is someone reminding me to check the local.... while instas are nice you cant use an insta to a gate you haven't been to before. As for typing into local "please stop shooting me" theres not much else you can do when warping to agate then blown away you need to learn to use the scanner.. you'll know exactly whats there and what your odds are before ever warping.
Vikram Bedi	Posted - 2006.03.29 15:29:00 - [119] Originally by: Kahor Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/03/2006 16:07:23 Originally by: Gungankllr That, my friend, in a nutshell, is Eve. QFE. Thats EVE allrite But next time you old scurvy vets start to ask yourself/whine why many noobs never leave high sec, ask yourself it this case might have something with it I have now played for 4 months. AND I LOVE THE GAME! Last weekend I felt bold and powerful in my brand new battlecruiser! Lots of great weapons u dig? So I decided to take it out for a voyage. Down to the local .4 sector, for some ratting. And what happend? Entered .4 space and was podded within 5 minutes. Its EVE. I accept it. its the way of the game. But I also understood pretty fast, that until I can get better or to be in a larger group low sec aint for me! So, for the next few months I will hang around in high sec. I dont whine bout it. i dont complain bout it. I just want to explor and have fun. But I understand that I am now ready. So, ill hold my breath a while longer. ...or at least till I can get another Battlecruiser and I have forgot this incident That's because you waited until you got a supposedly decent ship before going into low sector, better hang there with a frigates, loose it a couple of times but learn how to live in low sector, low sector is plenty safe is you know what you re doing. Contrary to everyone's belief, you don't NEED a big ship to go into low sector :) A rookie ship would be safe if only he knew what he was doing. Since I lost my destroyer I've been using a rookie ship to mine in .4 it's not very efficient, but it certainly keeps you on your toes...
Sygma	Posted - 2006.04.16 00:37:00 - [120] Well I hate to say it...but that is the way the ball bounces. Check local, Scan the Gate(new invention called overview), Make Instants (point to point 12k past gate, add bookmark..wallah), Or if you are cloaking don't go gate to gate. Often frozen corpses will uncloak you(learned that from the Muffinfactory 1400 howitzer snipers), Scan for warp bubbles(Lost a covert ops on that one also...). So learn from your mistakes and don't make them again. I guarantee that my two covert ops ships cost more than your noobie books, but I learned from my mistakes and try never to make them again. That is Eve. If you don't like that aspect, WOW is still taking members.

Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.04.16 00:40:00 - [121] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 28/03/2006 16:16:29 Sorry for the bad time in EvE. EvE is a game that seems to attract would be psychos around the world. "You mean I get to kill people for fun and profit? Sign me the **** up!" -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Hunters Presence	Posted - 2006.04.16 00:51:00 - [122] Quote: its my fault I had never heard of instas till an hour after I had turned on autopilot and wound up faceing 2 battlecrusiers Yep Quote: -I knew 0.4 was dangerous but I chanced it anyway because I had to pick up an item Yep Quote: -I should have asked my corp to see how safe the area was. Yep Quote: -I should have 2-3 alts to fly all over the map and scout out areas Yep Quote: -I should have taken a shuttle and not known it was dangerous and decided to go with something with a larger shield Yep Quote: -I should have just known to do all these things cause apprently they are things new players should just know The tutorial tells you over and over, < 0.5 is dangerous, so get a clue before you go there. Quote: -I really shouldn't post discussion topics in here because very few of you can handle simply giving a few helpful hints you'd rather flame away about how much I suck and that you think im whining. Good Job. That's cos you are whining. You're not asking for advice, you're just whining at what you feel is an injustice. If you had asked 'any tips for avoiding this' we'd have explained this in a far less patronising way. ----- Lead Games Programmer \| Quasit-Rushyo Games
Niques Leutre	Posted - 2006.04.16 01:06:00 - [123] You get some griefers who kill just because, or maybe they're afraid you'll rat them out on local, or maybe they want to buff up their online killboard score and make their e-peen look larger. It's the internet. People here don't need a reason to be a jerk. ___________________________________ The fiercer the foe, the sweeter the salvage. The fatter the wallet, the bigger the smile.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.16 16:45:00 - [124] Originally by: Nova Incantus (first of all let me say, I forgot to pay attention and bought 2 skillbooks 1 8 jumps from me the other 12 jumps from there) so Im making an 8 jump run from a 0.6-0.4 sec of space to pick up a skill book, I get there in my Cormorant without a scratch. I pick up the book and decide to buy a few more gunnery skills there since they were cheaper at that particular station. I then undock from the station and turn on autopilot to begin my next jump trip for the other book. I get to the jumpgate 15km from it when I find 2 Battlecrusiers sitting there warpscrabling me and firing all their weapons at me. I know its the way of life out in 0.4 sec or lower but seriously... what possesses 2 guys to sit at a gate and blow away newbies who they know cant even scratch thier shields. Do they get off on the idea of being so powerful they can whipe someone out whos many levels below them in skills and tech who has no chance of fighting back while hes sitting there typing in the chat "stop moving so you can die!" Major lack of maturity And that's why, as a newbie, I took 30 seconds to study every skillbook I bought in lowsec. Having 20 lvl 0 skills > 20 books lost along with ship. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.04.16 16:54:00 - [125] Originally by: KaraThrace Thats why we tell newbies to stay out of .4 and below for the first month or so.... I'm not so sure thats a good idea. Even experienced players with lots of isk and skill points suffer huge losses for them at some point. Thats part of EVE. So by letting a nubba be completely immuned to this loss, the first time he goes out and does something and loses, hes going to come here and complain about how the game shouldn't allow us to be mean to each other. People who get right into the groove of gaining AND losing right from the beginning, are much better off, and end up playing EVE longer.
Hungry Eyes	Posted - 2006.04.16 17:54:00 - [126] Originally by: Nova Incantus (first of all let me say, I forgot to pay attention and bought 2 skillbooks 1 8 jumps from me the other 12 jumps from there) so Im making an 8 jump run from a 0.6-0.4 sec of space to pick up a skill book, I get there in my Cormorant without a scratch. I pick up the book and decide to buy a few more gunnery skills there since they were cheaper at that particular station. I then undock from the station and turn on autopilot to begin my next jump trip for the other book. I get to the jumpgate 15km from it when I find 2 Battlecrusiers sitting there warpscrabling me and firing all their weapons at me. I know its the way of life out in 0.4 sec or lower but seriously... what possesses 2 guys to sit at a gate and blow away newbies who they know cant even scratch thier shields. Do they get off on the idea of being so powerful they can whipe someone out whos many levels below them in skills and tech who has no chance of fighting back while hes sitting there typing in the chat "stop moving so you can die!" Major lack of maturity they shoot noobs cuz they can. you would too, i promise you. it's fun. additionally, many ppl are cowards or just really bored. but for the most part, people shoot at everything cuz it's fun. why does the human race enjoy watching violent movies? same thing. we just have a sort of animosity within us that we can express through art without any inhibitions. once i get into my crusader in a coupla weeks, i'll be instigating fights everywhere i guarantee it. am i immature in RL? not necessarily. ive been playing eve since beta, and i started out role playing like yourself: im a nice, caring guy in RL, so I'll express that in the game. once i got bored of that, i started attacking random people in shuttles, cruisers, bs's, i didnt care about what their bio said, what their employment history was, etc. this was fun to me so i kept doin it...
Gong	Posted - 2006.04.16 17:57:00 - [127] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia And that's why, as a newbie, I took 30 seconds to study every skillbook I bought in lowsec. Having 20 lvl 0 skills > 20 books lost along with ship. Wonder why you lost them, if you started to train them already. Shouldn't happen, if your clone is up to date. If I buy multiple new skills, I train each skill long enough, that it show more than 5 points in that skill. This way I've never lost a skill. I read on the forums that someone had lost his new missile skills a few months ago after a server reboots. My guess was that he just clicked too fast from skill to skill and that this 0 SP entries got somehow lost later. Ok, it was just a guess, but since I'm afraid of it and that the server and client are sometimes a few seconds out-of-synch anyway, I rather wait some time and train a few points, before I switch to the next skill.
Arc Slayer	Posted - 2006.04.16 19:15:00 - [128] Originally by: Nova Incantus -I knew 0.4 was dangerous but I chanced it anyway because I had to pick up an item In retrospect it doesn't seem worth it does it? Risking as much as you did for that pittance of a reward. Here is a rather simple equation to help you in the future. EVE = Reward - Risk
Midoriko	Posted - 2006.04.16 19:18:00 - [129] Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Pardon me for entering into this obviously pointless debate, but I do have one thing that I would like to point out. Everytime someone mercilessly whacks a true noob, we all may lose something. A mercilessly, senselessly whacked noob may simply say, "This game sucks!" and leave. What's the end result there? 1 less player. 1 less "carebear target" for a pirate? 1 less evil pirate for a pirate hunter one day? 1 less miner pulling in ore? 1 less agent runner with a yummy ship to get ganked? 1 less researcher trying to pull in a BPO for your corp one day? 1 less industrialist building a POS/ship for you to buy? 1 less person in EVE, 1 less income for CCP, 1 chunk of cash they won't use to better the game and in turn better their own income. I sincerely doubt that EVE is intended to be the mad asylum of the gaming world where all the kicked-offs go. I think that CCP - as, in my limited experience, seems to be true - expects the players to solve their problems theirselves, and oftentimes they do. I'm a little surprised that a pirate-hunting, gate-clearing corporation or three haven't sprung up; the opportunity for the work is certainly there. It may be that they exist and I simply haven't seen them yet. CAN you gank a noob immediately? Certainly. Since we can't even tell true noobs from account alts, there's arguments to be made there. Should you gank a noob instantly? I would argue that the 1-in-1-million chance of snagging a BPO, or the rookie-ship-load of Zydrine isn't worth the risk of alienating a brand new player to the game. One less person enjoying the game with us is more valuable, IMO. "Welcome to EVE" aren't the proper words when "Goodbye from EVE" is the action. 1 less player playing the game and we all lose. You want to gatecamp? Pop me in my BC anytime if I come by and I'm too sloppy to check the way. But if you want more corpmates, more high-value targets, more of whatever you want in the game, make a decision to let the noob frigates fly by - one player at a time. If you're that torched about fake noobs, fit the friggin' scanner. Gate campers usually work in packs and are at minimal risk anyhow. :P Let the real ones pass or we end up losing players - maybe not all; but some...one gank at a time. What an intelligent and well thought out post! Thanks for that. I do hope to run into more people like you in my wanderings ingame.... although I realize that the odds are not really in my favor.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.16 19:27:00 - [130] Originally by: Arc Slayer EVE = Reward - Risk Eve + Risk = Reward. --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."

Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2006.04.16 20:32:00 - [131] love it or leave it :P could you please explain how thats connected to player maturity anyways ?
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.04.16 22:01:00 - [132] Quote: About the only thing I've learned out of this entire ordeal is to post here in the forums as little as possible. Very few of you ever seem to have learned the old addage "if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all" now lets consider why your getting the replys you are? 1) the title of your thread - the title insniuates that there is a difficiency or problem with gate campers, so that 1 insult before we even open up the page 2)you then proced to insult them by the statment on their lack of maturity 3) there are usualy 2/3 topics like this every other day on this forum...and people are getting fed up of the same stupid whinning 4)all help/topics/advice needed to survive in 0.4 is actualy posted on these forums (mainly by the campers you insult) if you took the time to find them and read them...well i dont think i need to finnish that statment do i. so there is 4 perfectly valid reasons why you got the replys you did...you showed no respect and a such got none in return..so in regards to no' 1&2 practice what you preach, if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist


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