I too agree that it's mainly the attitude of null dwellers. The big alliances are successful because they are full of nolifers who made eve their work. Most of the supposedly mature playerbase of eve simply doesn't have the time or mood to log on fight in a CTA for some sucker and then log off without doing anything productive. People want a GAME not a WORK, we get enought of it in real life and come here to have some "me time" and fun and null certainly doesn't provide that.

I agree. This has been said millions of times on these forums, but I guess we have to say it one...more...time:

Different people play EVE for different reasons. Different people have fun in different ways. Forcing people to play YOUR way when YOU want may be fun for you, but not necessarily for the other person. No one likes to be pushed into anything. For that we have real life.

...Honestly, I feel safer in nullsec than I do in empire. ..

It's funny, I really like Eve, but since CCP showed everyone very clearly that they could screw this game beyond repair I kind of came to my senses. Eve is just a game, I'll stay as long as I feel comfortable here. If there is no way I could play in this sandbox anymore the way I like it, I will leave. No hard feelings, a pity maybe. However, Eve is not built for eternity, so I enjoy the ride, and sometimes I throw up out of the window. If hisec would stop to exist I would clearly biomass myself as those tear driven hatred filled idiots would get their way.

I read the thread about new players not fearing to come to low/null in the first week of my sub. Once I moved on to Arnon for the SOE arc, I decided to test the theory that low/null needs me. I had already made a few trips to Lisbaetanne for good prices, so I fitted out a little miner and set up shop. I hadn't even filled the hold once before I was podded. It was really all too predictable...no real suspense at all as to what the outcome of my experiment was going to be.

Nobody said "Oh, look, a new player venturing out. Maybe this person has some value to me other than as an easy kill." There was little apparent thought of anything but the opportunity to take down an easy target. (And I do mean easy...I didn't even load any weapons.)

So, I'll stay in the hi sec part of the sandbox and play. Don't expect me in low/null anytime soon.

being in Highsec has NO PENALTY besides reduced isk income, no ability to defend against suicide gankers, and you cant get caps

Where is the danger from the environment? the only thing I need to be wary of are other players. EvE as a universe is non-threatening, carebear land, THE NPCS WILL NEVER EVER HURT YOU. players on the other hand will stoop to any low just to stab you in the back, and wear your skin as a trophy in front of police who don't give a damn

so, how about building and creating something in 00 ?

I really do think this is the change that is needed.

If the environment wasn't so different that we split into PvE or PvP fits. To be clear - if the environment *encourageed* PvP fits and flying skills then surely it would make things better.

Missioners wouldn't necessarily be easy targets - if you attack them they have a ship that can bite back.

For missioners - low sec would be more accessible. Instead of sneaking round hoping you don;t get caught you will stand a fighting chance.

And perhaps in Nullsec there would genuinely be risk for the rewards (right now the biggest risk sounds like enforced serfdom)

Time to beef up the environment and make it require PvP type setups and skills.

(note that this would still let missioners and the like do their thing but without such a great divide perhaps there would be much more choice)

1/If the environment wasn't so different that we split into PvE or PvP fits. To be clear - if the environment *encourageed* PvP fits and flying skills then surely it would make things better.

2/Missioners wouldn't necessarily be easy targets - if you attack them they have a ship that can bite back.

3/For missioners - low sec would be more accessible. Instead of sneaking round hoping you don;t get caught you will stand a fighting chance.

4/And perhaps in Nullsec there would genuinely be risk for the rewards (right now the biggest risk sounds like enforced serfdom)

Time to beef up the environment and make it require PvP type setups and skills.

(note that this would still let missioners and the like do their thing but without such a great divide perhaps there would be much more choice)

That includes sitting at a gate camp for a few hours listening to amature military officer wanna bes, right?

If the environment wasn't so different that we split into PvE or PvP fits. To be clear - if the environment *encourageed* PvP fits and flying skills then surely it would make things better.

Much more fun are fleets, where you sit in a POS for 5 to 10 hours waiting for ANY comment from the fleet leaders but all you get is:
- some peoplz hardcore heavy mattle rap in worst posible audio quality
- a freaking out mom of a kid which REFUSE to use PPT as it's so "uncool" or "can't press another button when in fights"
- while you try to follow the orders of the fleet leades as your english (or his) isn't realy great but a bunch of "jokers" pulp and sniff and lough all the time (over realy REALY bad jokes which aren't funny at all)

Well, yes, I tryed "PvP" in EvE and most (if not all) times it was just TERRIBLE boring and much more wast of time then any killed Sansha could ever be ;).

PS: Jumping around for hours avoiding any fight where you might lose a ship isn't more fun.

Blobs wast hours in POSes
Gankers wast hours at gates
Roamers wast hours avoiding any slight changs of a lose (NO NO, they have ONE more Punisher then we do!!!!!1111)

So what im gathering from what your saying ... its ok if your getting raped that no one comes to your aid, or if your being stabbed that you should just bleed to death nice... You know something EVE isnt real life... but yet you want us to suffer the same way, this is why i refuse to go into nullsec for the time being, I am really getting tired of people suggesting even changing the dynamics so drastically... I see what your saying but still its like letting people get away with murder and going out and committing a genocide... I am against this 100%

I'm not saying any of that at all. Not even slightly

I am saying that if the NPCs were more like other players doing PvP:

there would be less of a divide into PvE and PvP

People would have more choices - PvP'rs would get better fights.

Missioners would have more choice - you could still stay in Empire but if you chose to wander you would not be so badly prepared.

I'm a care bear too - but I wander into low and null and wormholes and it's fun. But I would be happier if I wasn't so badly setup for PvP

I'm not saying any of that at all. Not even slightly

I am saying that if the NPCs were more like other players doing PvP:

there would be less of a divide into PvE and PvP

People would have more choices - PvP'rs would get better fights.

Missioners would have more choice - you could still stay in Empire but if you chose to wander you would not be so badly prepared.

I'm a care bear too - but I wander into low and null and wormholes and it's fun. But I would be happier if I wasn't so badly setup for PvP

I second that. Could be that one sector improves its security status for a brief period of time and then when conconrd leaves, it slowly becomes the rat infested area it once was. Just saying.

I agree with the OP, but have one more item to add. An answer to the question of why some players prefer to be destructive and others constructive. It all comes down to The Rush.

The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it, and no amount of game tweaking will change that, because game tweaking will not change their genes. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick. Instead they do cooperative or constructive activities, industry, missions and the like.

Now its been pointed out that the opportunities for being constructive in null are in fact larger than empire. True, and many in empire would move out there and be constructive, if that was possible to do and still avoid PvP combat. But its not, so empire is the best alternative.

Null is better (in my opinion) to build in and achieve what you want. You can just about do everything in null you can do in empire. In most cases, it's safer because you know who your enemies are.

Honestly, I feel safer in nullsec than I do in empire. The problem is that there are too many people in the game who take on new pilots and tell them that 0.0 is this horrible disgusting palace and that evil people live there who's only purpose in life is to make your's, the new player, miserable. This is far from the truth and too many empire alliances/corps/institutions teach that null sec is horrible and that you shouldn't attempt to go if you have less than 20m SP and capitals and etc...

I've _NEVER_ lived in empire. When I had < 2 m SP, I was in null sec. I advise this to all pilots.

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Creation is so precious, and greed... so destructive.