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NeoOhm
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Posted - 2006.04.20 07:37:00 -
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A idea to fix this overpriced t2 stuff is to add a few NPC¦s that manufactures t2 stuff for a resonable price, that way the prices in the galaxy should be more balanced.
Right now, we can see in the Insurances, that t2 ships are extremly expensive.
The Hawk it 3 mill payback and it it 18+ mill on the market.
Or the Cerberus that is 220+ mil and 14 mill payback.
Plz make some npc¦s or release more Blueprints so less greedy ppl can have a chance to make good ships for good prices.
Ty!
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.04.20 07:39:00 -
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i totally agree.
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[05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot
[05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN
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snowpanther
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Posted - 2006.04.20 07:40:00 -
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o dear  flames will contiune shortly im guessing
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NeoOhm
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Posted - 2006.04.20 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: NeoOhm on 20/04/2006 07:42:30
-Lucky that you where wearing that helmet sir
-Have we stopped?
-Yes sir!
-Good, smokem if u got them! :D
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SonOTassadar
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Posted - 2006.04.20 07:50:00 -
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No.
Thread closed.
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2006.04.20 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: NeoOhm
A idea to fix this overpriced t2 stuff is to add a few NPC¦s that manufactures t2 stuff for a resonable price, that way the prices in the galaxy should be more balanced.
Right now, we can see in the Insurances, that t2 ships are extremly expensive.
The Hawk it 3 mill payback and it it 18+ mill on the market.
Or the Cerberus that is 220+ mil and 14 mill payback.
Plz make some npc¦s or release more Blueprints so less greedy ppl can have a chance to make good ships for good prices.
Ty!
Things corst as much as ppl are willing to pay for it.. belive me, if noone would buy cerberus for 220 mill, than no one would selling it for that price.
CCP stated it several time t2 will stay 100% player manufactured.
What you suggesting is like remove all 0.0 form EVE.
It is one of the basic concepts in EVE, if CCP change it, tehy ruin the game.
BTW, we have a search function now ! and this thread is the 103241354 one about this.
If you don't knwo how market work, do not whine about it.
And no, I don't have HAC bpo.. I wish I had :) because they are poverpriced :)
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This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation in any way.
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The TX
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Posted - 2006.04.20 07:57:00 -
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lol - there are more threads about T2 being overpriced than there are threads started by me.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.20 07:58:00 -
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Insurance covers the base minerals used for building the T2 ships at npc base mineral price.
T2 ships consist of a handful base minerals, some rare minerals, T2 components based on a lot of moon minging (POS business) and a T1 ship.
Overpriced?
It is the price the market will pay.
Want T2 cheap? Check nagamazon or some other source of cheap T2 ships.
T2 production differs a bit from T1 production. Production is much slower, and you need a lot of stuff that just doesn't appear in your hangar. The infrastructure needed to get a T2 production line running constantly is more than a mining ship, a hauler and okay standing with the next station owner.
There is a limited production capacity. There is a fixed number of BPO. There is a fixed number of Moons with the needed minerals. There are some losses between the low sec moon mining POS and the buyers in high sec. POS require quite a lot of dedication to be successfull from a business perspective.
Oveur (the producer) stated that there will be more of some T2 BPO.
All boils down to: Don't wanna pay the price - don't buy.
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Vincent Rainbow
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:03:00 -
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I dont think they are overpriced.
They are meant to be a luxury type item, not something that every Tom, **** and Harry can afford to lose on a daily basis.
People have more isk now than they used to have, so the price of decent stuff SHOULD go up.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:03:00 -
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/me dreams of her shinny T1 ships, hugging a Caracal to bed. 
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Arkwright
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:11:00 -
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Maybe they aint overpriced but the insurance payouts too little
Saying that, if T2 gear is supposed to be a luxury, maybe the insurance payout is so small to give eve a little isk sink.
If you cant afford to lose it, dont fly/use t2 gear or use t1/named gear instead.
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:12:00 -
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They cost what some (fools) are willing to pay for them.
Stop buying them, and the price will go down.
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Zeonog
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:12:00 -
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don't buy them? 
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Mia Archer
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:14:00 -
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if they cost more than you think they are worth then dont buy them
if they cost as much as you think they are worth buy them
in either case, stop whining
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:24:00 -
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People say don't buy them at that price.. well what about large corps or alliances that can afford them at that price therefore keeping the prices high and out of reach of the normal solo players.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:32:00 -
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Lori:
If it really bugs you that much, grab your corp and drag them into 0.0 and make them mine like there's no tomorrow and collect the cash.
You could make them practice with POS setups and supplying all along, and probably alot of PvP practice.
Within a few weeks your corp should be able to buy the ships or even a T2 ship BPO when one pops up in an auction.
I know that I don't wanna be among the T2 cruiser+ building elite because I'd have to have a lot of pilots working hand in hand to keep the factories running all the time.
My little ammo shop requires some dedication, but I can do other stuff next to it.
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Vincent Rainbow
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Rainbow on 20/04/2006 08:32:44
Originally by: Lori Carlyle
People say don't buy them at that price.. well what about large corps or alliances that can afford them at that price therefore keeping the prices high and out of reach of the normal solo players.
They pay tens or hundreds of billions for the bpos.
If you would like to do the same, then offer the goods at charity prices, go ahead.
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Sub rose
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: NeoOhm
A idea to fix this overpriced t2 stuff is to add a few NPC¦s that manufactures t2 stuff for a resonable price, that way the prices in the galaxy should be more balanced.
Yeah ... please please please do this .... imagine the money that'll be made buying the limited NPC supply up and reselling them for player manufacturer prices *drool*
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sub rose
Originally by: NeoOhm
A idea to fix this overpriced t2 stuff is to add a few NPC¦s that manufactures t2 stuff for a resonable price, that way the prices in the galaxy should be more balanced.
Yeah ... please please please do this .... imagine the money that'll be made buying the limited NPC supply up and reselling them for player manufacturer prices *drool*
Though it would be a useful ISK sink.
But it's not gonna happen, and shouldn't.
Originally by: Bl4zer
But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Rainbow
Edited by: Vincent Rainbow on 20/04/2006 08:32:44
Originally by: Lori Carlyle
People say don't buy them at that price.. well what about large corps or alliances that can afford them at that price therefore keeping the prices high and out of reach of the normal solo players.
They pay tens or hundreds of billions for the bpos.
If you would like to do the same, then offer the goods at charity prices, go ahead.
and there are only a few BPO out there, so somehow i don't really think that a holder of one would let it go that often. or maybe we should all just go to ebay and buy the isk needed to get one. for some players spending hours saving for one cuz thay can only play for 1-2 hours a night or less.
1. Yes there using in game mechcanics to charge that much
2. Ebaying the isk *might* get your account removed
3. We could just not buy them
the problem is someone is buying them, possibley a corp or alliance that don't have a BPO but can afford to buy them per unit. either way the player base sets the market price and atm the market price is high.
so to sum up and if you need more info just take a look at the worlds history
PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
The people that buy them are stupid
The T2 market is stupid
The T2 Lotto is stupid
*Personal view not that of my corp or it's members*
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:46:00 -
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not another one
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:47:00 -
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There are a lot of very niave answers in this thread.
T2 is over priced. Limited production output combined with high target audience is one reason. Ease of price fixing due to the limited number of bpo, (on the earlier ships and modules), is another reason.
The T2 market is being further distorted by the current ease of cash to isk conversion via GTC sales this means that anyone who wants isk has an easy way to obtain it. See the current price of t2 ammo BPO's for proof on that front.
However fix insurance? nope T2 is supposed to be an isk sink.
The best proposal to solving the whole darned disaster is to allow all t2 bpc's to become free market items bought via lp trade ins.
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.04.20 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
Lori:
If it really bugs you that much, grab your corp and drag them into 0.0 and make them mine like there's no tomorrow and collect the cash.
You could make them practice with POS setups and supplying all along, and probably alot of PvP practice.
Within a few weeks your corp should be able to buy the ships or even a T2 ship BPO when one pops up in an auction.
I know that I don't wanna be among the T2 cruiser+ building elite because I'd have to have a lot of pilots working hand in hand to keep the factories running all the time.
My little ammo shop requires some dedication, but I can do other stuff next to it.
It does get my back up as i've been in corps that are just a small close knit player base that enjoy the game but they would need to give massive time to EvE that due to RL they cannot. sure we could go to 0.0 like i have been in both this char and my other accounts and personaly i found it boring and dull. i have nor see a reason to head back out there.
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Doxs Roxs
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Posted - 2006.04.20 09:41:00 -
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In my opinion the price is not the problem, the problem is the insurance!
The insurance should be based on what you paid for the ship. To ensure that insurance frauds dont ruin things the payout might also be dependent on the average market price of the ship.
I still think that it is rediculous that you pay a 100% insurance and just get a 10-20% refund...
ISK sink or not, it is way off...
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Ashraaf
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Posted - 2006.04.20 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ashraaf on 20/04/2006 09:47:57
Originally by: Doxs Roxs
The insurance should be based on what you paid for the ship. To ensure that insurance frauds dont ruin things the payout might also be dependent on the average market price of the ship.
I build a ship for 35M, is sell it 95B, Insure it, blow it and got lot of money :)
so it will be the end of the game very very quickly :)
Average price market is not a reality, for such a limited amount of item, average could change everyday, with a 95B on 10 items average is 9.5 :)
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Obmud
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Posted - 2006.04.20 09:53:00 -
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Rise 'em more! Rise em mooore!
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Doxs Roxs
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Posted - 2006.04.20 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Doxs Roxs on 20/04/2006 10:00:41
Originally by: Ashraaf
Edited by: Ashraaf on 20/04/2006 09:47:57
Originally by: Doxs Roxs
The insurance should be based on what you paid for the ship. To ensure that insurance frauds dont ruin things the payout might also be dependent on the average market price of the ship.
I build a ship for 35M, is sell it 95B, Insure it, blow it and got lot of money :)
so it will be the end of the game very very quickly :)
Average price market is not a reality, for such a limited amount of item, average could change everyday, with a 95B on 10 items average is 9.5 :)
Oups... It was a bad idea...
There should be some way of ensuring that its not exploitable without having ****ty returns on the insurance.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2006.04.20 10:00:00 -
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Eve expanded a lot, a lot of people became able to fly t2 ships. More competition means that the prices go up.
You saw this with hacs where the price was low to start off with because only a few people could fly them. Fast forward a year and loads of people can now fly them so the price rocketed.
The solution is probably two fold, they either need to introduce more bp's or reduce the time t2 takes to manufacture. This to reflect the doubling of population in the last year, no-one loses any money because more ships can be built so the manufacturers have more profit opportunity not less.
That is probably the greater part of the problem, a Heavy Assault Cruiser takes a day and a half to make and too many people can spend 100m a day on losses and not worry about it.
The secondary resolution would be the release of T3. As us older players max out T2 skills to Level 5 these older richer folks would be able to jump on the Tech 3 wagon , thus leaving tech 2 to the people that perhaps haven't or cannot yet spend 30 days training things like Heavy Assault Ships to level 5 and that reduced competition for ships will reduce the price.
In summary its us old players that ruin the theory at present. Our latant bank balances, combined with high skill points and an ability to make money faster means that many of us aren't too bothered about spending 200m on T2 ships and that's what does need to be looked at, not putting in arbitary artifical price restrictions that ruin the base on which Eve was founded.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.20 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/04/2006 10:04:19
CCP has said they are not going to change the system. Especially by putting T2 on market at NPC prices. At most they will add a BPC rewards system to raise supply on the most undersupplied items and add some more BPOs.
To quote Niaski's sig:
"That's a damn good milkshake. I don't know if its worth 5 dollars, but its a damn good milkshake. Tech 2: Its like a milkshake."
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What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
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Quaren
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Posted - 2006.04.20 10:20:00 -
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the big problem is really that the number of players has almost doubled in the last year but the number of t2 bpos are still the same.
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