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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:10:00 -
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The moment CCP announces the implementation of skill remaps is the moment I unsub all my accounts. Remove insurance. |
Oxide Ammar
80
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:15:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I kNOw what this thread's going to be full of.
Full of hypocrites, just like when ppl suggested customizing ship skins before and they got laughed at, now we have almost 33 pages of +1 and "I approve this idea" ppl when CCP introduced it.
So at the end nothing is out of reach can be done in game starting from name changing to reallocate SP for plex or something similar, as long it adds profit to them.
I hope we live long enough to see suggestions that once was laughed about became a feature in game. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
116
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:16:00 -
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If the game were really about consequences, once you died you'd have to start completely over.
Or, once you died it would cause an electric surge that shorted out your motherboard forcing you to need to spend hundreds of dollars replacing your hardware.
Consequence? lol, OK video gamers.
Is that why you play eve? for consequences? Because if it's yes, and the consequences you seek are of the type that upsets people through your being a bad person such as lying and stealing, well then it's an accurate representation of your true self.
Because you can't claim you want a game with consequences and then say that by enacting those consequences through your personal choices that you're exempt from the "consequence" of your own action. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2688
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:24:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I need a reality check.
Yes, yes you do indeed. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
696
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:27:00 -
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I lose in pvp -> my ship is destroyed -> I lost a not insignificant amount of ingame money => consequence
Other game: I lose in pvp -> I die -> I respawn => less consequence
The former makes the game more interesting for me. Even though I've been on the losing side so far. It's about a good measure of consequence I guess.
Deciding to skill something has the consequence that you haven't skilled something else. It makes me think more about what to skill. It's more fun to have some meaning to choices, even if they might be bad sometimes.
"Total" consequences, like having to start completely over, are bad because they are too frustrating, I guess. Luckily there is a middle ground where consequences are meaningful but not crippling. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
662
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:43:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:If the game were really about consequences, once you died you'd have to start completely over.
Having to make long term choices and do long term planning in the skill area is a good way of doing things. Also there are already sufficient ways to work around these limitations. Use those instead.
EVE is mostly balanced around the loss of assets, which is already quite hard to accept for some players.
But yes, I would be fine with characters actually dying. D2 was a great game and a lot of fun.
Remove insurance. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
254
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:49:00 -
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I'm going to max out two random attributes.
Invest in +5 implants for those two attributes alone.
Train every single skill that uses those attributes benefitting from an obscene SP/hour bonus.
And then remap them as I wish.
There, OP, I broke your system. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14075
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:51:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I completely agree.
Once a year a character should be able to unassign all of his skill points, totaling them into a batch for him to reassign to the skills he rather his character be geared towards.
Upon everyone's realization of this being incredibly successful, CCP can then sell Skill Point redistribution tokens for $14.99.
Not doing this is incredibly silly. Someone people don't want it, but obviously, some do. Free Market capitalism. There's a demand, all CCP needs to do is supply it's need.
Oh absolutely.
I should also be able to use those tokens to remove other people's skillpoints if I don't like them. That would be even more popular, make CCP even more money and as an extra bonus, it would of course benefit new players.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14075
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:52:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:If the game were really about consequences, once you died you'd have to start completely over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
lrn2logic n00b
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2014.03.13 11:31:00 -
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I didn't bother to read your post or your thread, although will just leave you with this answer.
No! |
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
426
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Posted - 2014.03.13 11:36:00 -
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Solution to your problem ~~~> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277 |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2014.03.13 11:38:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: Seems illogical to me.
I don't want to be a scientist anymore, I want to be a plumber.
Please don't make me study, just convert my scientific knowledge into plumbing and local planning knowledge.
Doesn't really work as far as I'm concerned. Sorry.
Mate, despite what CCP want you to believe "eve is real".... Eve is NOT real and should not be held to the restrictions of the real world
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2014.03.13 11:39:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Oh absolutely.
I should also be able to use those tokens to remove other people's skillpoints if I don't like them. That would be even more popular, make CCP even more money and as an extra bonus, it would of course benefit new players.
Walking talking proof the CSM is a complete joke
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19931
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Posted - 2014.03.13 12:03:00 -
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Prie Mary wrote:Malcanis wrote:Oh absolutely.
I should also be able to use those tokens to remove other people's skillpoints if I don't like them. That would be even more popular, make CCP even more money and as an extra bonus, it would of course benefit new players. Walking talking proof the CSM is a complete joke Yes, Malc has a knack for being funny as well as a good representative. Malc for CSM9GÇô40! GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Willmahh
8
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Posted - 2014.03.13 13:51:00 -
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EVE is a game of consequences.
/end discussion. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2092
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Posted - 2014.03.13 13:57:00 -
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Trained rorqual - never flew one Trained phoenix - never flew one Trained leadership skills wich never served it's purpose Trained max training skills wich i can do without as i have alts with that set Trained max research/copy skills wich i never use as my alts cover all the slots
That's just a quick grasp out of excessive skills i have and i have so much stuff i still need to train for things i currently could use on a daily base .... and that said i can with 100 % certainty say i do NOT want a skillpoint remap option in eve .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Ralen Zateki
Nexis. League of Infamy
127
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:07:00 -
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Willmahh wrote:EVE is a game of consequences.
/end discussion.
This.
"I want a fullly powered wizard that can wear heavy armor and tank like a barbarian while also being able to find traps and backstab like a thief. I'll call it wizbarbthiefassasin."
Oops. Wrong game. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
258
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:08:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Trained phoenix
Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah! I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
223
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:14:00 -
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flakeys wrote: Trained phoenix
Ouch. To be fair, despite my earlier comments, this is a case where I'd be willing to make an exception.
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flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2092
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:15:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:flakeys wrote:Trained phoenix Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah!
OI , it once was the best dread out there .
And yes i still like taking my drake out for some pvp too .. screw all ya new players i'm gonna stick with caldari till it kills me.Well actually that stubborness has killed me a lot of times .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
459
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:26:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Victor Andall wrote:flakeys wrote:Trained phoenix Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah! OI , it once was the best dread out there . And yes i still like taking my drake out for some pvp too .. screw all ya new players i'm gonna stick with caldari till it kills me as we one day will be the ruling race again as we where 10 years ago .Well actually that stubborness has killed me a lot of times .
I admire your dedication and fortitude Sir!!
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
91
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:35:00 -
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Malrikk wrote:I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.
My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.
I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on.
Make it cost PLEX, and I agree with you. But if it costs a percentage of your skill points, most people would never use this feature: Look at me, for example. Playing for about a year and my main would lose roughly two times as much SP as my useless mining skills are worth. So remapping them would be something I literally would have to be seriously medically ******** to do.
But PLEX I can buy, no problem. Especially for a once-a-year feature. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2093
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:42:00 -
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Samillian wrote:flakeys wrote:Victor Andall wrote:flakeys wrote:Trained phoenix Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah! OI , it once was the best dread out there . And yes i still like taking my drake out for some pvp too .. screw all ya new players i'm gonna stick with caldari till it kills me as we one day will be the ruling race again as we where 10 years ago .Well actually that stubborness has killed me a lot of times . I admire your dedication and fortitude Sir!!
Don't mix dedication with being stubborn.My wife can explain you the difference there in detail if you ask her about my bad sides .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2093
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:01:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Malrikk wrote:I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.
My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.
I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on. Make it cost PLEX, and I agree with you. But if it costs a percentage of your skill points, most people would never use this feature: Look at me, for example. Playing for about a year and my main would lose roughly two times as much SP as my useless mining skills are worth. So remapping them would be something I literally would have to be seriously medically ******** to do. But PLEX I can buy, no problem. Especially for a once-a-year feature.
No , this works in advantage to those with more isk or rl cash , IF there would come a skillremap wich i rrrreally hope it would never happen then make it an X% skillloss of that wich you remap.
And again as pointed out above that is a choice for the benefit of the game not for my own advantages.That's basically the problem with all these 'great idea's' they are proposed out of own interest.The OP proposes a skillremap because he has some skills unused so i tell him i have at least 25M sp wich i am not using and yet i am against a remap.Now you come along and say 'no make it cost a plex and not skillpoints because I would rather loose plex then sp because i gain more from that' so now i tell you that i can buy myself enough plex to sub my accounts a lifetime yet i would hate it being plex driven as it would benefit those who have enough isk or cash wich is a bad thing for eve.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
91
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:05:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Malrikk wrote:I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.
My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.
I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on. Make it cost PLEX, and I agree with you. But if it costs a percentage of your skill points, most people would never use this feature: Look at me, for example. Playing for about a year and my main would lose roughly two times as much SP as my useless mining skills are worth. So remapping them would be something I literally would have to be seriously medically ******** to do. But PLEX I can buy, no problem. Especially for a once-a-year feature. No , this works in advantage to those with more isk or rl cash , IF there would come a skillremap wich i rrrreally hope it would never happen then make it an X% skillloss of that wich you remap. And again as pointed out above that is a choice for the benefit of the game not for my own advantages.That's basically the problem with all these 'great idea's' they are proposed out of own interest.The OP proposes a skillremap because he has some skills unused so i tell him i have at least 25M sp wich i am not using and yet i am against a remap.Now you come along and say 'no make it cost a plex and not skillpoints because I would rather loose plex then sp because i gain more from that' so now i tell you that i can buy myself enough plex to sub my accounts a lifetime yet i would hate it being plex driven as it would benefit those who have enough isk or cash wich is a bad thing for eve.
Then I have a counter-proposal for you: Make it so you can only remap once per year, and you lose 10% of the skill points you remap, instead of losing 10% of all your skill points. This would be better, I think. Remap too much and you lose a lot of progress. Remap a little bit and only lose a little bit. Much more balanced this way.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19946
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:14:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Then I have a counter-proposal for you: Make it so you can only remap once per year, and you lose 10% of the skill points you remap, instead of losing 10% of all your skill points. This would be better, I think. Remap too much and you lose a lot of progress. Remap a little bit and only lose a little bit. Much more balanced this way.
At that level, the penalty remains meaningless until and unless you have over 230M SP, at which point you don't need any more anyway since you can already fit everything you'd ever need into your build.
That is why the idea must have a minimum SP loss and must make you lose a large majority of your SP regardless of how much you have: because otherwise, there is no reason whatsoever not to abuse it to hell and back. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
91
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Then I have a counter-proposal for you: Make it so you can only remap once per year, and you lose 10% of the skill points you remap, instead of losing 10% of all your skill points. This would be better, I think. Remap too much and you lose a lot of progress. Remap a little bit and only lose a little bit. Much more balanced this way.
At that level, the penalty remains meaningless until and unless you have over 230M SP, at which point you don't need any more anyway since you can already fit everything you'd ever need into your build. That is why the idea must have a minimum SP loss and must make you lose a large majority of your SP regardless of how much you have: because otherwise, there is no reason whatsoever not to abuse it to hell and back and remap absolutely everything at every opportunity. So, counter-counter proposal: a remap removes 80% or 30M of your total SP, whichever is greater. Also, obviously, you'll have to re-buy all skill books. Or better yet, leave it alone since it only creates problems without solving a single thing.
Another counter-counter-counter proposal: Don't implement skill remap at all. Because at that point it would just be a waste of developer time.
Also I think you didn't think my proposal really through. Every time you remap, you lose 10% of those skill points you want to remap. Every single time. Which means you lose more and more the more often you remap. There is no way to abuse this, except if you define abuse as "******* yourself over". |
Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation Shadow Cartel
10
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:22:00 -
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Malrikk wrote:I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.
My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.
I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on.
This makes the game easier. Why would we want this? Man up, and skill up like the rest of us. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1428
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:25:00 -
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Oh ****, I knew this was going to happen... CCP placates the DUST players by giving them Sudeten-respecs, and suddenly there are EVE players wanting to invade Po-remapping. Nyan |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19952
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:31:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Also I think you didn't think my proposal really through. Every time you remap, you lose 10% of those skill points you want to remap. Every single time. Which means you lose more and more the more often you remap. There is no way to abuse this, except if you define abuse as "******* yourself over". In a year, you earn 23,652,000 SP. If you have 236,520,000 SP and remap all of them, you lose 10% and up with as many SP as you had at the start of the year. You lose nothing and you can fit everything you'd ever need into that buffer. So there's no reason to ever do anything other than remap your full amount because you will never operate at a loss.
Your best option is always to abuse the hell out of it and get as much free SP as you possibly could to be ready for any and all eventualities. The only way to **** yourself over is to not remap as soon as possible as much as possible. Thus: 30M or 80% loss, whichever is higher, anything less and it's too good a deal (and I'm not convinced even that is high enough a price). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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