We currently receive 2 bonus remaps for ech character.

If we instead changed that to a skill point loss to remap, we would lose these right?

If this became the mechanic to remap, what would happen each 12 months. We still get a free remap, or do we have ti pay skill points each year to remap?

Why have remap at all? I can't change my expertise or IQ/EQ in real life without growing and studying, so why make it possible in game?

Neural remap and skill point remap should remain exclusive of one another. I'm not asking for a change to neural remapping, just the addition of a skill point remap. But I don't believe it should be free, a 10% loss in skill points sounds balanced to me.

No. If you want to do something else, just train it.

Alternatively, just ask them to remove skills entirely since that's effectively what you're suggesting.

Neural remap and skill point remap should remain exclusive of one another. I'm not asking for a change to neural remapping, just the addition of a skill point remap. But I don't believe it should be free, a 10% loss in skill points sounds balanced to me.

Seems illogical to me.

I don't want to be a scientist anymore, I want to be a plumber.

Please don't make me study, just convert my scientific knowledge into plumbing and local planning knowledge.

Doesn't really work as far as I'm concerned. Sorry.

What you're asking makes attribute remaps pointless since they no longer serve any purpose. In fact, it makes attributes pointless since they no longer serve any purpose. All you do is remap for Int/mem and fill your queue with science skills that will train at a fixed 2700 SP/h (or 23,652,000 SP per year) that you then put into whatever you want. Picking one attribute combo over another is no longer relevant since your choice of skills no longer matter GÇö just how much SP/h you can squeeze out, and that part is trivial to maximise. So your suggestion effectively removes attributes (and the ability to remap them) as meaningful game mechanics and they might as well just be cut from the game.

And no, 10% is not balanced. Bump it up to, say, 80% with an absolute minimum loss of 30M and you might approach something that would actually make it at least remotely punishing to use. But the main problem remains: it just outright removes large portions of the game. To use the age-old copypasta to highlight the most glaring problems with SP remappingGǪ

It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
It removes the point of having attributes.
It removes attribute implants from the game.
It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
It removes planning and choice and consequences.
It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
It kills character trading.
It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.

It hurts my gameplay by removing all skill progression. Once you have enough SP GÇö after no more than a year or two GÇö you can remap it to cover anything and everything in the game as if you had been playing for 20 years. It hurts my gameplay by turning the game into an XP/Level-grinding game rather than a game where thoughtful application of training time gives me an edge over those who weren't thoughtful.

Because that's the direct consequence of what you're suggesting: that time spent going down a certain training path no longer counts towards that particular path but any path of equal length. Skill choices no longer distinguish characters and they just become infinitely mutable piles of SP, where more SP is always better.

[quote=Tippia]It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
How is this "catching up"? This isn't a free allocation of skill points. They still need to be earned.

1) False, this does not remove the point of having skills to begin with.
2) We can already remap attributes, would you say that this removes the point of having them as well?
3) How does it do this? There will always be something to train.
4) Once a year at the cost of a % of your skill points?
5) A characters "uniqueness" doesn't derive from how you spent your time training as you were AFK, doing real life things, etc.
Your actions in the game derive a characters uniqueness.
6) I would argue that the real consequence should come from actual in-game choices, like gameplay. But there is a reason I want a 12 month timer on this.
7) Same as above.
8) Character skill points would still be there, if anything it would make high skill point characters more valuable
9) At the same time, the people that are newer to the game will have an opportunity to play with the veterans if they so choose to without worrying about a fake progression wall.
10) How is this "catching up"? This isn't a free allocation of skill points. They still need to be earned.

I completely agree.

Once a year a character should be able to unassign all of his skill points, totaling them into a batch for him to reassign to the skills he rather his character be geared towards.

Upon everyone's realization of this being incredibly successful, CCP can then sell Skill Point redistribution tokens for $14.99.

Not doing this is incredibly silly. Someone people don't want it, but obviously, some do. Free Market capitalism. There's a demand, all CCP needs to do is supply it's need.

the whole idea of 'catching up' is based on SP amount. As you collect SP over time new player can never 'catch' older one.

Actually he can. If:
- Old player use no implants and new player use them
- Old player stoped to train skills

Now players have SPs in different areas. This makes 'catching up' less important

Alright. Challenge accepted.

How does a neural remap sound logical to you?

Which would then lead to the demand for the game to decline, propably leading to a total loss for ccp.

No

I certainly dont feel like paying skillpoints to remap cos other dudes didnt read the skill-decription or thought about how they were spending their time before just doing it and complaining later.

EVE is a game of planning and consequences.

This kind of feature would undermine everything EVE is about.

Which is a very valid point. Before someone jumps in and says "you aren't being forced to do anything", the reality is much different. If such a thing was implimented, in serious organisations, it would be expected of everyone to do their part and utilise it. For example, a number of times my Alliance has shifted their main doctrines; in the last year we shifted from Maelstroms, to Rokhs, and then to Megathrons, and we shifted our Dreadnaught doctrine from bring what you like (unless its a Pheonix), to primarily Naglfars. In both cases, these changes were implemented over time (with some transitional allowances so people with no skills could still fly with the fleet while getting the relevant skills), yet, if this system was put in place, the expectation would be that everyone would burn their old skillpoints in to the new race.

I kNOw what this thread's going to be full of.

I need a reality check.

If the game were really about consequences, once you died you'd have to start completely over.

I completely agree.

Once a year a character should be able to unassign all of his skill points, totaling them into a batch for him to reassign to the skills he rather his character be geared towards.

Upon everyone's realization of this being incredibly successful, CCP can then sell Skill Point redistribution tokens for $14.99.

Not doing this is incredibly silly. Someone people don't want it, but obviously, some do. Free Market capitalism. There's a demand, all CCP needs to do is supply it's need.

If the game were really about consequences, once you died you'd have to start completely over.

Seems illogical to me.

I don't want to be a scientist anymore, I want to be a plumber.

Please don't make me study, just convert my scientific knowledge into plumbing and local planning knowledge.

Doesn't really work as far as I'm concerned. Sorry.

Oh absolutely.

I should also be able to use those tokens to remove other people's skillpoints if I don't like them. That would be even more popular, make CCP even more money and as an extra bonus, it would of course benefit new players.

Walking talking proof the CSM is a complete joke

EVE is a game of consequences.

/end discussion.

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Trained phoenix

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OI , it once was the best dread out there .



And yes i still like taking my drake out for some pvp too .. screw all ya new players i'm gonna stick with caldari till it kills me as we one day will be the ruling race again as we where 10 years ago .Well actually that stubborness has killed me a lot of times .

I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.

My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.

I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on.

I admire your dedication and fortitude Sir!!

Make it cost PLEX, and I agree with you. But if it costs a percentage of your skill points, most people would never use this feature: Look at me, for example. Playing for about a year and my main would lose roughly two times as much SP as my useless mining skills are worth. So remapping them would be something I literally would have to be seriously medically ******** to do.

But PLEX I can buy, no problem. Especially for a once-a-year feature.

No , this works in advantage to those with more isk or rl cash , IF there would come a skillremap wich i rrrreally hope it would never happen then make it an X% skillloss of that wich you remap.

And again as pointed out above that is a choice for the benefit of the game not for my own advantages.That's basically the problem with all these 'great idea's' they are proposed out of own interest.The OP proposes a skillremap because he has some skills unused so i tell him i have at least 25M sp wich i am not using and yet i am against a remap.Now you come along and say 'no make it cost a plex and not skillpoints because I would rather loose plex then sp because i gain more from that' so now i tell you that i can buy myself enough plex to sub my accounts a lifetime yet i would hate it being plex driven as it would benefit those who have enough isk or cash wich is a bad thing for eve.

Then I have a counter-proposal for you: Make it so you can only remap once per year, and you lose 10% of the skill points you remap, instead of losing 10% of all your skill points. This would be better, I think. Remap too much and you lose a lot of progress. Remap a little bit and only lose a little bit. Much more balanced this way.

At that level, the penalty remains meaningless until and unless you have over 230M SP, at which point you don't need any more anyway since you can already fit everything you'd ever need into your build.

That is why the idea must have a minimum SP loss and must make you lose a large majority of your SP regardless of how much you have: because otherwise, there is no reason whatsoever not to abuse it to hell and back and remap absolutely everything at every opportunity.

So, counter-counter proposal: a remap removes 80% or 30M of your total SP, whichever is greater. Also, obviously, you'll have to re-buy all skill books. Or better yet, leave it alone since it only creates problems without solving a single thing.

I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.

My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.

I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on.

Also I think you didn't think my proposal really through. Every time you remap, you lose 10% of those skill points you want to remap. Every single time. Which means you lose more and more the more often you remap. There is no way to abuse this, except if you define abuse as "******* yourself over".

Seems illogical to me.

I don't want to be a scientist anymore, I want to be a plumber.

Please don't make me study, just convert my scientific knowledge into plumbing and local planning knowledge.

Doesn't really work as far as I'm concerned. Sorry.

There is no such thing as a wasted skillpoint.

There are only skillpoints that you are not using right now.

In a year, you earn 23,652,000 SP. If you have 236,520,000 SP (that's more than half of the SP it is possible to ever train and a large part of that maximum is SP that has absolutely no use whatsoever) and remap all of them, you lose 10% and up with as many SP as you had at the start of the year. You lose nothing and you can fit everything you'd ever need into that buffer. So there's no reason to ever do anything other than remap your full amount because you will never operate at a loss.

Your best option is always to abuse the hell out of it and get as much free SP as you possibly could to be ready for any and all eventualities. The only way to **** yourself over is to not remap as soon as possible as much as possible. Thus: 30M or 80% loss, whichever is higher, anything less and it's too good a deal (and I'm not convinced even that is high enough a price).

A last proposal:
-Remaps only possible once a year and only up to 5 different skills at once.
-Complete remaps will never be allowed.
-A remap costs at least a PLEX to use.
-You lose 10% of the skill points you want to remap.

So, problem solved.

So, problem solved.

i hear it all the time when looking to buy characters

certainly benefit new players who dont have wasted some sp at the start of the game

There is no such thing as a wasted skillpoint.

There are only skillpoints that you are not using right now.

Bittervets already can fly the cool ship of the season. I'm not a bittervet and i can fly any t2 frigate and t2 cruiser with t2 guns.

It don't.
My mammy taught me, two wrongs don't make a right!
Get rid of neural remaps too.

It hurts my gameplay by removing all skill progression. Once you have enough SP GÇö after no more than a year or two GÇö you can remap it to cover anything and everything in the game as if you had been playing for 20 years. It hurts my gameplay by turning the game into an XP/Level-grinding game rather than a game where thoughtful application of training time gives me an edge over those who weren't thoughtful.

I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.

My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.

I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve-Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on.

I see veterans not liking the idea because it will give other people an edge over them

Reading everyone's discussion points on this topic is certainly interesting. Admittedly I don't have much time online in Eve, but it's becoming quite apparent that "skill" in this game is directly tied to how many skills you have, and where they are allocated.

I see veterans not liking the idea because it will give other people an edge over them, or create an environment of fair play.

Even Tippia confirmed this in an earlier post

If that is truly the driving "skill" behind being a good combat pilot in Eve Online, then it's time I reevaluate some things.

I see veterans not liking the idea because it will give other people an edge over them, or create an environment of fair play. That is the only logical conclusion from this behavior, as it isn't a mandatory retraining every year. Even Tippia confirmed this in an earlier post

I never really understood that. If that is truly the driving "skill" behind being a good combat pilot in Eve Online, then it's time I reevaluate some things. Even so I stand behind this idea for reasons I've already stated.

It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
False, this does not remove the point of having skills to begin with.

It removes the point of having attributes.
We can already remap attributes, would you say that this removes the point of having them as well?

It removes attribute implants from the game.
How does it do this? There will always be something to train.

It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
Once a year at the cost of a % of your skill points?

It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
A characters "uniqueness" doesn't derive from how you spent your time training as you were AFK, doing real life things, etc.
Your actions in the game derive a characters uniqueness.

It removes planning and choice and consequences.
I would argue that the real consequence should come from actual in-game choices, like gameplay. But there is a reason I want a 12 month timer on this.

It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
Same as above.

It kills character trading.
Character skill points would still be there, if anything it would make high skill point characters more valuable

It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
At the same time, the people that are newer to the game will have an opportunity to play with the veterans if they so choose to without worrying about a fake progression wall.

It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
How is this "catching up"? This isn't a free allocation of skill points. They still need to be earned.

Mmmm yes this will benefit newer players

I'm sure I couldn't (for example) dump a load of shield skills on one alt, armour on another and end up with 2 "uber-alts" for no cost at all.

The OP has no idea of what he gibbers about. End of.

I would have to agree with Malrikk here.

It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
LOL what??

The beauty of EVE is that there are no wasted skillpoints. If you want to train for something new, train for something new. That's all there is to it.

I see veterans not liking the idea because it will give other people an edge over them, or create an environment of fair play. That is the only logical conclusion from this behavior, as it isn't a mandatory retraining every year.

i am all for this myself it would fix the major downside that new players have.

I've been an advocate for a very limited type of skill reset since I started playing EVE and wasted a bunch of time training mining skills.

So I vote "c" with a pretty please added in.

This game has no "try before you buy" regarding ships.

Someone may choose to want to fly a Golem. Why a golem? I don't know, this is just an example. Maybe whoever the guy is decided that a golem looked like it would be fun to fly.

It's completely optional, so how does it hurt your gameplay?

And why would I ask them to remove skills outright? Just because I don't enjoy mining, doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it.

Someone may choose to want to fly a Golem....So he's spent 110 days reaching the point where he can fly a golem. He spends another 90 days training up all the skills necessary to fly it "really well".

To him, the Golem sucks. Having had no 100% accurate way to determine if flying a golem is something he would enjoy, because he's told to "make a plan", he made one and it turned out to be something he didn't enjoy.

Now he's stuck with a character in a game he spent 200 days working towards something he doesn't enjoy.

Fundamentally, it wouldn't change all that much. In the long run all it would do is encourage bad decision making habits in newer players.

you'd rather people quit the game than have the opportunity to remap their skill points to maintain the possibility of interest to keep playing.

remotely[/i] punishing to use.

CCP please buff bittervets for me, pretty please. It will definitely only have a positive impact upon the game without any negative consequences, and will buff small gang PvP, improve fun and innovative fleet combat, introduce more emergent gameplay, add to game content, help newbies, spike online numbers, and kill WoW. I am definitely sure this idea has never ever been proposed before, and bittervets have needed this buff for the longest time so pleeeeease do it for me because I need it.

So, you want us to train for a year and a half with multibillion isk implantsbefore we satisfy the bare minimum of having the pleasure of having our sp wiped off our butts???
I cant even think of how much is wrong with this.
A) this is supposed to be noob friendly.
B) thirty million sp doesn't make you a noob
C) go troll somewhere else. You're not wanted here.

While we're buffing bitter vets, let's make sure we can do skill remaps instantly so that we can remap during fleets on the FC's order. For balance.

This game has no "try before you buy" regarding ships.

Someone may choose to want to fly a Golem. Why a golem? I don't know, this is just an example. Maybe whoever the guy is decided that a golem looked like it would be fun to fly. So he's spent 110 days reaching the point where he can fly a golem. He spends another 90 days training up all the skills necessary to fly it "really well".

To him, the Golem sucks. Having had no 100% accurate way to determine if flying a golem is something he would enjoy, because he's told to "make a plan", he made one and it turned out to be something he didn't enjoy.

Now he's stuck with a character in a game he spent 200 days working towards something he doesn't enjoy. He knows there's a possibility that he could be enjoying another aspect of the game that takes 200 days to enter, but he can't. He's screwed.

Now because you're entitled elitist who attribute value to being able to wait longer than others (hahaha I can stand being bored more than you can nah nah nah nah nah), you would rather that person feel as though he's made an irreversible mistake and QUIT THE GAME.

You're so dependent on EVE to prop up your ego that you'd rather people quit the game than have the opportunity to remap their skill points to maintain the possibility of interest to keep playing.

(inb4 some idiot wants to spend 3 hours arguing over why I personally would want to choose a golem when I clearly stated it was an arbitrarily picked example. It seems people have a hard time with hypotheticals here)

So, you want us to train for a year and a half with multibillion isk implantsbefore we satisfy the bare minimum of having the pleasure of having our sp wiped off our butts?

I cant even think of how much is wrong with this.

I started playing Eve a long time ago on and off, as my understanding of the game has grown my desires in-game have changed.

My skills are a cluster of clutter from mining to a plethora of various random skills. For instance mining, it was one of the first things I trained and have regretted it ever since. I would love to be able to put those skill points into something else.

I propose a skill remap, possibly a one year timer on it, and it would cost roughly 10% of your skill points as the remap is rather dangerous and memory loss has been known to happen. I believe this would balance out the remap and only the most desperate like myself would use it. Eve Online is a complicated game, and brutal on the newbies, this would go a long way to help some of us out who made a lot of bad decisions early on.

No, deal with the consequences of your choices.

[golem example]

This game has no "try before you buy" regarding ships.

Someone may choose to want to fly a Golem. Why a golem? I don't know, this is just an example. Maybe whoever the guy is decided that a golem looked like it would be fun to fly. So he's spent 110 days reaching the point where he can fly a golem. He spends another 90 days training up all the skills necessary to fly it "really well".

To him, the Golem sucks. Having had no 100% accurate way to determine if flying a golem is something he would enjoy, because he's told to "make a plan", he made one and it turned out to be something he didn't enjoy.

Now he's stuck with a character in a game he spent 200 days working towards something he doesn't enjoy. He knows there's a possibility that he could be enjoying another aspect of the game that takes 200 days to enter, but he can't. He's screwed.

Now because you're entitled elitist who attribute value to being able to wait longer than others (hahaha I can stand being bored more than you can nah nah nah nah nah), you would rather that person feel as though he's made an irreversible mistake and QUIT THE GAME.

You're so dependent on EVE to prop up your ego that you'd rather people quit the game than have the opportunity to remap their skill points to maintain the possibility of interest to keep playing.

(inb4 some idiot wants to spend 3 hours arguing over why I personally would want to choose a golem when I clearly stated it was an arbitrarily picked example. It seems people have a hard time with hypotheticals here)

He could find out by getting any other Ravenkind.

With one (very mild) exception, there is nothing in the game that requires a ton of SP that can't be explored using next to no SP at all. Putting more SP into it just makes it the same thing, but with more SP put into it GÇö the core usage patter or gameplay doesn't change. The mild exception is capships, since they require at least some kind of GÇ£teamworkGÇ¥ (that can be done on your own) but they're still just ships that use the same mechanics as every other ship in the game.

The mistake people make is that they think they have to train a ton of stuff to try an activity out. They don't. That's just a silly myth born out of the same ignorance that gave birth to the GÇ£must train to V to be effectiveGÇ¥ idiocy.

My ex had a druid in WoW.

She remapped the SP over 30 frikkin' times.

I am thinking of trying heavy interdictors out can you please point out the low sp way for me to try them out with out training the next 46 days to get into one?

I do not think I have ever seen a HIC or Interdictor outside null ... ever.

This game has no "try before you buy" regarding ships.

Someone may choose to want to fly a Golem. Why a golem? I don't know, this is just an example. Maybe whoever the guy is decided that a golem looked like it would be fun to fly. So he's spent 110 days reaching the point where he can fly a golem. He spends another 90 days training up all the skills necessary to fly it "really well".

To him, the Golem sucks. Having had no 100% accurate way to determine if flying a golem is something he would enjoy, because he's told to "make a plan", he made one and it turned out to be something he didn't enjoy.

Now he's stuck with a character in a game he spent 200 days working towards something he doesn't enjoy. He knows there's a possibility that he could be enjoying another aspect of the game that takes 200 days to enter, but he can't. He's screwed.

Now because you're entitled elitist who attribute value to being able to wait longer than others (hahaha I can stand being bored more than you can nah nah nah nah nah), you would rather that person feel as though he's made an irreversible mistake and QUIT THE GAME.

You're so dependent on EVE to prop up your ego that you'd rather people quit the game than have the opportunity to remap their skill points to maintain the possibility of interest to keep playing.

(inb4 some idiot wants to spend 3 hours arguing over why I personally would want to choose a golem when I clearly stated it was an arbitrarily picked example. It seems people have a hard time with hypotheticals here)

a new pilot with say lvl 4 small hybrids agasint somebody with say lvl 4 small hybrid speclization is already at a 13% dmg disadvantage.

13% dmg is a huge advantage

I do not think I have ever seen a HIC or Interdictor outside null ... ever.

What is the purpose of having skills and skill training?

that's impressive considering wow doen't even have sp you can't relate wow's talents even remotely to sp.

now if she was able to switch classes without leveling a new one that would be closer but still way off as you can just level a new toon in wow in couple weeks

some level 5 skills in eve take twice as long as it takes to level one char in wow to max level

and for thos saying sp don't matter your just trolling to keep noobs playing with lies. if sp don't matter corps would not have a min amount to join.

example two pilots flying same ship same mods and same level of piloting skills using same tactics no errors the pilot with the most sp wins

a new pilot with say lvl 4 small hybrids agasint somebody with say lvl 4 small hybrid speclization is already at a 13% dmg disadvantage.

13% dmg is a huge advantage

I am thinking of trying heavy interdictors out can you please point out the low sp way for me to try them out with out training the next 46 days to get into one?

Same purpose as having attributes that can be re-mapped.

There are many reasons this may not be a good idea, but to imply resetting or re-map of SP makes skills or skill training useless is not one of them.

We currently receive 2 bonus remaps for each character.
Why have remap at all? I can't change my expertise or IQ/EQ in real life without growing and studying, so why make it possible in game?

What if using this option also reset your learned skills to your noob character racial default, and you had to repurchase skill books?

Close, but not quite. There's a crucial difference between attributes and skills: you are not removing you attributes and replacing their effect with something completely different forwards and backwards in history.

If you'll allow some semantic drift for a second, attributes are a mechanism that turn time into SP, whereas skills are effects of that mechanism. Altering the mechanism after the fact does not alter the effect it has already had GÇö only what effect it will have in the future. Altering the effects themselves, however, is akin to turning back time. At that point, the mechanism no longer has any real point because you can go back and get a different, GÇ£betterGÇ¥, result.

The entire mechanism is bypassed and the effects themselves become quite meaningless because they're only a result of the moment rather than of the entire decision-making and SP-gathering process that led you to the result.

It's not something I imply GÇö it's something I state as a fact because it is a very obvious result of being able to reverse, alter, and remake decisions you've made in the past. Or, wellGǪ to be a bit more pedantic, it doesn't render them useleess GÇö it renders them meaningless because they are infinitely mutable.

Sorry there is no difference in what you imply or what you state. Both are wrong. Resetting SP would not make them useless or meaningless just because you donGÇÖt agree with it or like the suggestion.

Sorry there is no difference in what you imply or what you state. Both are wrong. Resetting SP would not make them useless or meaningless just because you donGÇÖt agree with it or like the suggestion.

It may not be in the best interest of the game to do so, but not for the silly reason you (state).

I have read enough of your post and seen how you conduct yourself on the forums to know that you enjoy arguing and would never admit to being wrong.

I will not become ensnared or entangled in your foolishness. Do not look for me to continue to engage in your Trollish methods.

Sorry there is no difference in what you imply or what you state. Both are wrong. Resetting SP would not make them useless or meaningless just because you donGÇÖt agree with it or like the suggestion.

It may not be in the best interest of the game to do so, but not for the silly reason you (state).

I have read enough of your post and seen how you conduct yourself on the forums to know that you enjoy arguing and would never admit to being wrong.

I will not become ensnared or entangled in your foolishness. Do not look for me to continue to engage in your Trollish methods.

Sorry there is no difference in what you imply or what you state. Both are wrong. Resetting SP would not make them useless or meaningless just because you donGÇÖt agree with it or like the suggestion.

Offering full remaps for skillpoints would absolutely make training skills meaningless. You'd switch from training skills to training skillpoints. Making decisions and living with the consequences of your decisions no longer applies.

You wouldn't be able to train for the FOTM if you only get one reset a year or one reset a lifetime, it would be FOTY (flavor of the year)