Well in action I can tell you it does not take 8 seconds to lock a BS. I lock cruisers in that time and frigates aren't that far off 8 seconds either.

You know, the whole eve culture of avoiding all risk to yourself while capitalizing on the risks of others.

If you're trying to force frigs into non-consensual player interaction, why would you be using a BS anyway? It's not the right tool for the job. It seems you won't be satisfied until T1 BS is the right tool for every job. Screw everything else, right?

Stop trying to derail the thread. Nobody is saying BS should be able to force a frig into combat.

Stop trying to derail the thread. Nobody is saying BS should be able to force a frig into combat.

We'll this thread is entitled "Solo PvP among larger class ships" so given your a goon and you have no solo BS kills afaik and you're always in a huge blob likely with info warefare links and you're able to do away with some crucial mid slots that soloers are not able to you can probably afford to fit a sebo as well.

Try fitting a sensor booster on a Mega with 4 mids when you need MWD, Scram, Web and Cap Injector.

We'll this thread is entitled "Solo PvP among larger class ships" so given your a goon and you have no solo BS kills afaik and you're always in a huge blob likely with info warefare links and you're able to do away with some crucial mid slots that soloers are not able to you can probably afford to fit a sebo as well.

Try fitting a sensor booster on a Mega with 4 mids when you need MWD, Scram, Web and Cap Injector.

No, of course not, you're just complaining that they can't. Completely different to trying to force it to be so because you're not a dev, so you can't force **** anyway.

Show me where I complained that battleships can't force frigates into non-consensual pvp? I explained with in game data how adding a sensorbooster to a battlecruiser can allow the battlecruiser to force an engagement to all ships bar frigates.

I also explained how fitting a sensor booster similarly to a battleship only increases the engagement envelope from BS only to BS and BC.

Your locking times are very different to what I get in game when fighting people.

But your numbers are wrong.

Your locking times are very different to what I get in game when fighting people.

To be fair, the people you're fighting have probably done such outlandish and unexpected things as tanked their shields or (gasp!) used MWDsGǪ so those experiences are obviously not representative.

Nobody is saying BS should be able to force a frig into combat.

1 kill in a raven vs frig.

They do.

If they're using mwd then they're not trying to flee. The issue is forcing an engagement, not locking ships that are activating mwd and trying to fight. And shield tanked sig does not significantly increase lock times for battleships on sub bc hulls.

Uh-huh.

Lol. Obfuscation much?

Show me where I said, or even remotely implied, that battleships or even battlecruisers, should be able to force a frigate into a non-consensual engagement.

As an aside, ironically, the only ships a battleship CAN force into a non-consensual engagement other than a BC are frigates :)

My numbers are spot on. I got them from jumping into a raven and locking the ships, then I cross checked them with EFT. They're close to spot on.

Also looking at your kills on BC and ZKill you're not doing very well with the solo Raven. The last 10 pages only show 1 kill in a raven vs frig.

Then what is it you are actually SAYING? So far, you've just thrown a bunch of numbers up and implied a point, but explicitly made none. Make a point, or GTFO.

I did not ever expect to see Tippia being wrong. Well, happens.

I have bolded the important part. "ALL sub-cap ships." Clearly this does not hold true so the point of Infinity Ziona is valid.

Show me where I said, or even remotely implied, that battleships or even battlecruisers, should be able to force a frigate into a non-consensual engagement.

As an aside, ironically, the only ships a battleship CAN force into a non-consensual engagement other than a BC are frigates :)

Might want to check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4jQENEsbdk&feature=youtu.be

CCP should rename Battleships.

New players get far too obsessed by them.

My point was clearly made. A lock time of 106mm for a Raven (or any other battleship) is too low for any chance of non-consentual pvp against non-BS subcaps.

If you can't fathom the point from my original post then its not my points that are lacking.

The Golem is by far my favorite death machine at the moment.

The golem is not a battleship. .

The golem is not a battleship. Its a marauder. The difference between Golem and Raven is about the same as the difference between Proteus and Thorax.

Ignoring the knee-jerk reactionary 'troll' comment, I'm getting the part where you think 106mm is a locking time instead of a scan resolution. I get that you're confused about the purpose of a battleship. What I don't get is why you would make this point if it was anything other than complaining. Why SHOULD a battleship be able to lock things faster? You say you're making a point, but you're not providing clarity on the follow through or destination of this point, or why this point matters.

So let's bottom line it, shall we? Because, quite frankly, you're talking to people here with far more battleship experience than you so, whatever your problem is, I'm sure we can clear it up.

Provided you're not just trolling, of course.