When it comes to a test of battleship knowledge between Infinity and some random 2012 FW fweddit scrub, I think most people will listen to Infinity. (except for obvious goonswarm proponents with an axe to grind)

The fact that you ask if he has even played the game is amusing in the highest and makes you look a complete fool. I suggest you stick to FW.

You missed the part where this is a forum alt. Nice job with my corp history though, I'm totally impressed that you can rightclick my portrait and still miss my sig.

I do find it rather amusing that you believe that old IZ has any credibility left in regards to fitting and ship knowledge, though. Especially considering the whole Shield Tanked Proteus episode, and all. Nevermind the literal bevy of other stupid **** he says.

You missed the part where this is a forum alt. Nice job with my corp history though, I'm totally impressed that you can rightclick my portrait and still miss my sig.

I do find it rather amusing that you believe that old IZ has any credibility left in regards to fitting and ship knowledge, though. Especially considering the whole Shield Tanked Proteus episode, and all. Nevermind the literal bevy of other stupid **** he says.

I'm still fairly new to Eve and I just was curious if there is ever much 1v1 PVP among the large size ships like Cruisers, Battlecruisers, and Battleships. I have seen plenty of discussion about frigate and destroyer 1v1 fights, fittings, etc. but not anything besides that. If this is a somewhat occurring matter, where does it usually happen as far as security zones? Also any other information relative to this subject would interest me as well.

Thanks for reading.

The golem is not a battleship. Its a marauder. The difference between Golem and Raven is about the same as the difference between Proteus and Thorax.

Or (as I linked in a previous thread) a "10 year player" as he claims that very recently had to ask someone what damage type Serpentis did so he could figure out how to tank them lol.

What makes you believe the only thing that can be classed as a Battleship or Cruiser is the T1 version? It's a hull classification system, funnily enough a Marauder gets the Battleship stats as well as the Mara stats, which sort of suggests battleship on steroids. They are shaped the same, similar sizes etc >.> Are you saying a Hulk isn't really a mining barge as well - because, well look at the stats? Ohh, you could try this on bubbles, drones and ammo too. "That's NOT a drone, it's an ewar drone, its completely different you fool!" If you are correct, ISIS needs changing, and the market and all the info on all the ships ingame. AND the stats, for er, everything. We'll need new models too.

When it comes to a test of battleship knowledge between Infinity and some random 2012 FW fweddit scrub, I think most people will listen to Infinity. (except for obvious goonswarm proponents with an axe to grind)

The fact that you ask if he has even played the game is amusing in the highest and makes you look a complete fool. I suggest you stick to FW.

The marauder has a distinctive ability that all other battleships do not. This is what makes it a marauder. Attempting to say battleships are fine because 'marauder' is deceptive since its that one non-battleship ability that makes it work in PvP.

But what about ewar drones?

I think most people will listen to Infinity.

No, what I will do is compare what Infinity says to what Baltec1 says and even thou I am in NC, I will take Baltec1 view every time and twice on a Sunday.

Hell I would take Baltec1 views when it comes to Battleships and their capabilities over nearly everybody else's in Eve

No, what I will do is compare what Infinity says to what Baltec1 says and even thou I am in NC, I will take Baltec1 view every time and twice on a Sunday.

Hell I would take Baltec1 views when it comes to Battleships and their capabilities over nearly everybody else's in Eve

ummmm. if anything a piloted ship will have smaller sig then an unpiloted one Baltec.

Except the math and the game says they are. Sorry but its not something that can be argued with.

The difference between you and I is I have flown battleships solo since 2003 and, you haven't.

Sig on an unfitted caracal is 125.

Fit a tank to it and you get 188

Turn on its MWD and it balloons to 1.09k


It gets worse if someone target paints it. Your numbers are not realistic and do not comply with what happens in game, you have made the mistake of relying on EFT and not doing things in game.

You just took a cruiser with perhaps the largest potential signature as an example though. This is more of an edge case. For example most Minmatar cruisers will have a signature of 100 or below.

You just took a cruiser with perhaps the largest potential signature as an example though. This is more of an edge case. For example most Minmatar cruisers will have a signature of 100 or below.

Sig on an unfitted caracal is 125.

Fit a tank to it and you get 188

Turn on its MWD and it balloons to 1.09k


It gets worse if someone target paints it. Your numbers are not realistic and do not comply with what happens in game, you have made the mistake of relying on EFT and not doing things in game.

Baltec at a sig of 188 with a scan resolution of 106mm you're not locking it at all before it warps out so it doesn't matter at all whether its shield fit.

To warp away from combat you don't turn on your micro warp drive when you're facing a battleship.

And looking at the Rupture in game right now, it's base sig is 125 so..... don't know where you're getting your info from.

Baltec at a sig of 188 with a scan resolution of 106mm you're not locking it at all before it warps out so it doesn't matter at all whether its shield fit.

To warp away from combat you don't turn on your micro warp drive when you're facing a battleship.

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Are all 100 or below.

What makes you think it would warp away?

Yes good idea lets get back to the topic.

My initial statement was that battleships were not effective soloers because they cannot force an engagement in PvP. Since we now after 5 pages of arguments have established that that is correct (unless they turn on their microwarpdrive at which point they would likely be engaging you) we then move onto my other statements.

1. Battleships due to their inability to engage smaller targets usually only get consensual pvp. Given EVE's playerbase that usually means the battleship is getting ganked since people rarely engage unless they're sure of a victory.

2. Battleships would benefit from increased scan resolution, so that they don't only have to engage in consensual pvp. Its a non-consensual pvp game after all.

The golem is not a battleship. Its a marauder. The difference between Golem and Raven is about the same as the difference between Proteus and Thorax.

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In the same way that T3's are not cruisers, they're strategic cruisers.

GǪand yet you include all those non-cruisers in your attempt to show that battleships are worse than cruisers.

Could you please make up your mind?

Yep. I will without doubt let any experience I have on my own be gainsaid by the Master of the Megathron. He is very literally the subject matter expert.

But they do just fine, you just saw a battleship take on a 40 man gang. They do not need faster locking timers just because you want to catch frigates with them.

Yes because Baltec has only ever flown one ship in his entire Eve Life....

Fact is, Baltec, as well as many others who have played this game for years, who have participated in some of the biggest PvP battles Ever, in who help devises Fleet Concepts do not rely solely on out of game fitting tools to try and win an argument, but on their wealth of in game experience and hundreds of man hours actually in being involved PvP fights in all various ships and different situations.