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Bach
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Posted - 2006.05.01 20:32:00 -
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Just got back from being away and saw this thread.
Raid- I recognize your directorship on political issues as your responsibility. I understand you asked for no replies. However, Ganksta's underying reasons are actually inner-alliance ones, not the political ones he suggests and the inner-alliance issues are my responsibilities. As such I would comment on this.
Why CC fight ISS/LC/V/Chimera or or any of that has nothing to do with this thread.
Many of you know me and have been both team mate and opponents for years.
This guy "Major Ganksta" is an extremely poor team player.
In a short stay of 12 days he disobeyed orders, only listened to or heard what he wanted too and in the end was waging his own campaign in empire with his own rules. Maybe there was confusion or miscommunication behind it but I really don't think so. Had he actually followed the R.O.E. laid out by the alliance his geddon wouldn't have ever been there in a position to destroy that raven in the first place. When finally the word went out that enough was enough and to pull back to Curse, he got upset. The problem seemed to be we weren't doing this the way he would and so we're all stupid or scared.
He got mad, left his corp and went his own way. This is a good thing for everyone. It was 12 days. Far from a life long steadfast member. If you don't like what a corp or alliance is doing after you get a short taste then just move on and do something else. This smear campaign stuff is extremely bad form and exemplary of your lack of team performance in the short time you were with us.
I certainly can't confirm or deny this guy is a spy. I really don't think he was a spy. Just a trouble maker and non-team oriented player in my opinion. If you see he is applying to your corp I recommend you just walk away from this one.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:03:00 -
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I don't know this Major guy, so I cannot possibly comment on his reliablity or otherwise, but I can see that he makes the same arguements as many in ISS/IAC/LV/CHIMP/V etc have been making for a long time. That so many opinions with regard to CC are the same in this regard is not a coincidence, and many of the arguements he makes are both valid and well considered.
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Athon NooB
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:10:00 -
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Slightly off topic
Good fights to date - I do not think I have found even a hint of smack-down. Shoot, kill, next. Reminds me of FIX in it's prime.
GJ both alliances.
Back to shooty shooty.
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Bach
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:10:00 -
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That so many opinions with regard to CC are the same in this regard is not a coincidence, and many of the arguements he makes are both valid and well considered.
Butter- your kind of heading into the political realm so I can't continue this much further. Ganksta's statement do in-fact mimic the commons anti-CC ones posted here. This is no mistake. Its exactly what he wants it to be.
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Major Ganksta
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:32:00 -
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@Bach
 All I have to say is this:
It shows a lot of what Tyrell is about that the only thing being done here is trying to slander my name. Thats the Curse Coalition response. Anyone will easily see through what you are trying to do... Raid fingered me a spy people ignored it. So you get on and try to finger me as a non-team player. When in fact I was teaming up with people all over empire and the entire time I was in empire so was 90% of CC. When the call came out to return I did. Please go try to slander someone else and post political responses instead of the usual BS that you and your cronies throw around.
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Evelgrivion
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:52:00 -
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Im still relatively new to the game, but I must say, you Curse guys have been making things very difficult for IAC and many others - and especially for those of us new enough to still be in Empire space. With a state of active warfare, its a bit of a turnoff for the new blood. Retalling these Curse Incursions is an irritating thing - they keep on going and going and going, without any real end in sight.
Since I joined after the war started, fill me in on your view of events that led to this conflict; all its done is given Curse a very bad name. Also, yesterday's ganking incursion was totally lame by all hearsay accounts.
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Murukan
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:57:00 -
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Lol come on guys, CC is defending the free people of curse by setting up gate camps in the catch pipe and ganking anyone who comes through the gate haha. Seriously you CC guys are just a bunch of pirates, atleast embrace it like CDC does, trying to deny that all you guys want to do is gank the crap out of everything that moves makes you liars and losers.
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Serenity Frye
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:05:00 -
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Does it matter if there pirates ?
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Evelgrivion
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Evelgrivion on 01/05/2006 22:10:00
I suppose it matters in the aspect that they are trying to maintain their war by holding their specific position - however, ganking outside sectors like Keberz and other nearby areas, making travel impossible for anything less than a small fleet is just piracy, plain and simple. If it invalidates their war efforts, CCP should get on their cases really. Otherwise, it just gets more people to hate the Curse Coalition.
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Bach
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:18:00 -
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Ganksta wrote:
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Please go try to slander someone else and post political responses instead of the usual BS that you and your cronies throw around.
This whole thread you started is to slander CC. Prior to you losing that geddon, Tekal told you to get it out of empire. Later, I asked you to get it out of empire. When you got it destroyed and Tekal reprimanded you, right or wrong, you then got mad. That geddon was only in empire because you wanted it to be there. The ROE was "alts only" in empire vs the empire ISS. Its a fair contest, I think many ISS pilots are having as much fun with it as we are and its also one you chose not to participate in fairly. Mains were to be back in Curse for the fleet fights. Again, more fun for the opposition and us. It doesn't matter how many ISS you killed with that BS in empire you weren't supposed to be there. Now your spouting the dishonor is ours for declaring a fight on helpless ISS in empire? What is that about? Its about pure slander of the CC.
How many Curse fleet battles did you expect to get into with YOUR main and BS sitting in empire? You missed a few during this time and we could have used you. When we finally got someone you would listen too, to order you back into Curse you gave it all of 1-2 days to start complaining. I don't believe you ever had a problem with killing that guys Raven. There is a thrill in being up on the kill board. There is a thrill in being able to solo hunt in eve. What you didn't enjoy was the patience and discipline it takes to fight in 0.0 against ready opposition. When you couldn't get the followers in 0.0 to mass up fast enough for you to continue getting the kills you were hooked on you got mad and branded us cowards or losers.
This thread started with you slandering CC and your former corp mates left behind. You should have fully and fairly expected someone to explain the other side of the coin. Its got nothing to do with politics and thats not slander.
Ganksta, join the ISSN. You know our habits and where we are you could be an asset for these reasons. You might become a detriment for others. Butter dog sounds like he is interested. You'll get to shoot us then and prove what cowards we are.
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Evelgrivion
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:22:00 -
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So Bach, fill me in; what are you Curse guys exactly out to do, and why is IAC a threat to that objective? 
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Doc Brown on 01/05/2006 22:24:15
Originally by: Evelgrivion
Im still relatively new to the game, but I must say, you Curse guys have been making things very difficult for IAC and many others - and especially for those of us new enough to still be in Empire space. With a state of active warfare, its a bit of a turnoff for the new blood. Retalling these Curse Incursions is an irritating thing - they keep on going and going and going, without any real end in sight.
Since I joined after the war started, fill me in on your view of events that led to this conflict; all its done is given Curse a very bad name. Also, yesterday's ganking incursion was totally lame by all hearsay accounts.
The quick, short, and dirty version:
CC has lived in curse since the pretty much the beginning (yes, CC did fight CA).
CC setup a new home in doril after the new routes were put in place and we started working with our neighbors to protect our mutual space.
ISS decided to build a station, some ISS pilots took the shortest route to it which happened to be through doril. ISS either did not care about our claim or was unaware.
CC, obviously, shot the new pilots as we didn't know what their intention was.
ISS hired mercs. CC fought mercs. ISS hired more. CC fought more. ISS hired MC. MC war-dec'd CC. CC war-dec'd ISS back. (and CC fought MC and ISS)
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Bach
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:26:00 -
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Players that have answered this thread asking about reasons for the war~
I am not ignoring you and Hope you wont take it that way. My directorship does not cover such public statements and it wouldn't be right for me to comment publically. I am sure Raid will address them in time. If you wish you may contact me in game privately.
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 01/05/2006 22:28:02
Originally by: Serenity Frye
Does it matter if there pirates ?
edit: I added bold in some areas
yep, they should be proud of thier kills.
"hey, I just ganked an osprey in Nijara"
"cool, have any trouble?"
"he had 3 mining lasers... it was quite a challenge, but I nailed that evil empire pilot from ever maybe going into curse!"
"good job! gang with us so we can take out those two haulers in Rens. Meanwhile I'll camp torrinos and shoot shuttles with my HAC"
This is how I see the CC fight, from my perspective. I stand by ISS and will for as long as it's around. From my standpoint you can use 0.0 to either gank other people and cause destruction, or build. I choose to build.
Doril has been closed to ISS, and as far as I know, the closure was respected amongst ISS.
I hold no grudge against most CC, the few I've engaged (well, I wouldn't really call it engaging as I'm not a good fighter) have been completely smack free and were very civil.
However I find it funny that CC states how it's defending Curse, and yet is fighting in empire and against an alliance that isn't near, nor plans to be in Curse.
Whatever though. I'll probably be an even larger target by talking on Galnet, and most won't even bother reading this since I'm fairly new to the alliance, however in my own personal opinion camping empire under the guise of defending a 0.0 region is a horrible excuse.
It's not my opinion to get involved in the politics, nor my desire. However I put a high value in honor, as fighters, haulers, and pirates. You either have it or you don't, regardless of your profession.
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Evelgrivion
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:29:00 -
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Wow, brilliantly stupid move - a simple explanation and some + standings and no one would be screwing with anyone further, and everybody would be happy. Cant we just work out our differences? 
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
Wow, brilliantly stupid move - a simple explanation and some + standings and no one would be screwing with anyone further, and everybody would be happy. Cant we just work out our differences?
now wheres the fun in that?
more sploshuns as kinsy would say.
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DogTyred
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: DogTyred on 01/05/2006 22:57:54
How boring would that be.
0.0 is not Empire, ISS/IAC want to make it like Empire. Miners etc, even typing the words make me feel a lil dirty. Sure people do that stuff and like it, but it's not for me I like to blow sh~t up. If ISS or IAC had something to offer CC/CDC then I'm sure an accomodation would have been posible but we really aren't interested in docking in ure stations. As for ganksta, 0.0 isn't for everyone, constant wars and looking over your shoulder while npc'ing isn't for everyone, perhaps being in a corp that includes the words mining more suits your style. (if there was a corp name suited to me it would be gate camping bastid i spect  )
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Major Ganksta
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Major Ganksta on 01/05/2006 23:00:35
Edited by: Major Ganksta on 01/05/2006 22:58:53
Edited by: Major Ganksta on 01/05/2006 22:57:58
Actually Bach aparently you never read my full post. I never branded you cowards or losers I branded you fanatics or insane.
Aside from that the order was given AFTER I lost my geddon and 3 other people lost battleships in the fifth day of empire conflict to return to Curse. That was also in my first post BUT aparently you failed to read my original post.
Further more I was not "reprimanded" by anyone Tara Read was most likely drunk and calling people stupid for flying around solo even though about 85% of the alliance was doing it. AFTER another person who was my superior on my corps side told him to STFU I decided it would be okay to stick up for myself gave him a piece of my mind and left the channel. Never once being "reprimanded" by anyone nor ever talked to about it by anyone other than Tara Read whining because he couldn't get groups to go maliciously gank IAC in CATCH.
Please 1 get your facts straight and 2 read posts you are replying to k thanks. Your doing nothing but showing the world how TYC acts towards people and supporting my original claims. Thanks btw for proving my point. 
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Major Ganksta
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:16:00 -
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Anyways I am not going to be checking this post anymore the statement was made the arguement was brought to the table and instead of dealing with it maturely Tyrell decided to attempt to slander me thus proving half my points. Have a good day.
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Yonos
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:25:00 -
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i flew with this guy gangsta and he is an ***. He claims to be #7 on our killboards...yeah the brand new killboard with few posts. Now he is rapidly being eclipsed, like not even in the rankings anymore. He flew a geddon around alone in empire without instas or scout during wartime... genius. He is course and lame and argumentative and not someone you want as a wingmate. I wanted to refute any delusions of granduer of his that his departure has been CC's fault alone. If you recruit this guy, making a hauler pilot.
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Lady Kushrenada
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Posted - 2006.05.02 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Brown
Edited by: Doc Brown on 01/05/2006 22:24:15
CC, obviously, shot the new pilots as we didn't know what their intention was.
I wonder what the ISS intends...
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As such the ISS differs from existing Alliances in that the ISS have no territorial or military ambitions.
Let's look deeper...
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Combat and war
- Spaceships of ISS member corporations may only engage when:
-- The ISS alliance has set negative standings to the corporation in question
-- An ISS pilot is targeted, are under direct threat or their assets under threat.
I only have one earnest question concerning your claim that you shot ISS because you did not know their intentions.
Did you, at any point, ask, or care?
I am willing to go out on a limb and assume everyone here is reasonable, so I don't mean to ask this as a rhetorical question. If you did ask, I think it would be valuable for the rest of the EVE community to better understand the Curse Coalition were you to post the logs of this correspondence. Given the position the Curse Coalition has taken regarding the ISS, shouldn't this help prove your conspiracy theories regarding the 'true' nature of the ISS? I can't imagine you would have anything to hide, right?
Naturally I would not fault you if you lost track of these records, but at least an account of them I think would do everyone a lot of good.
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Jacob Majestic
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Posted - 2006.05.02 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Brown
The quick, short, and dirty version:
CC has lived in curse since the pretty much the beginning (yes, CC did fight CA).
CC setup a new home in doril after the new routes were put in place and we started working with our neighbors to protect our mutual space.
ISS decided to build a station, some ISS pilots took the shortest route to it which happened to be through doril. ISS either did not care about our claim or was unaware.
CC, obviously, shot the new pilots as we didn't know what their intention was.
ISS hired mercs. CC fought mercs. ISS hired more. CC fought more. ISS hired MC. MC war-dec'd CC. CC war-dec'd ISS back. (and CC fought MC and ISS)
End.
You seem to have left out the parts where we offered you NAP. At least twice. And was turned down.
You also left out the part where we banned ISS civilian traffic from your space in Curse.
I think at this point the onus is on you to defend your policy of "defending" Curse by flying to Catch.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.05.02 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: Raid on 02/05/2006 02:24:46
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
You seem to have left out the parts where we offered you NAP. At least twice. And was turned down.
You also left out the part where we banned ISS civilian traffic from your space in Curse.
I think at this point the onus is on you to defend your policy of "defending" Curse by flying to Catch and engaging ISS pilots in KDF-GY.
Or was the 17-man gank squad you had in KDF earlier tonight on a diplomatic mission?
This topic has been beaten to death before. Yes ISS offered us a NAP yes we turned it down.. life goes on welcome to 0.0 space. As for the diplomatic convoy we sent today, the ISS defence force got the message.
Its convenient and fun, im sure IAC had fun today as did we. Life would be boring in 0.0 if everyone was naped with everyone else.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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MynChu NicAtoch
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Posted - 2006.05.02 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: MynChu NicAtoch on 02/05/2006 06:20:52
edit : damn ... posted as BoB alt
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Xaarist
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Posted - 2006.05.02 06:24:00 -
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just a little clarification from CHIMP side:
1. CHIMP had CC at blue until CC decided first to introduce a NBSI policy within their space (the doril pipe) and resetting (especially) Shinra to zero standings. Shinra, as part of our allied alliance LV, must not be threatened by any other entity (which counts for all corporations or alliance within the pact), otherwise it will result in a necessary standings adjustment. we did that, but tried to negotiate with CC especially with the help of V to go back to the old blue standings. then came the
2. CC decided to NAP RA, which meant nothing more to us than to enable RA to pass doril unharmed, whereas a possibly chasing allied gang would have been shot at - hence it was interpreted as siding with RA. a CC corp was detected to run a POS in detorid, telling us they were allowed by the former landlords of RA to do so (sponsored by RA). CC turned red on our overviews then, but we never actively brought the fight to them. it was simply unnecessary at that time.
3. after CC decided to attack one of our freighters one day (which survived, same does not count for the engaging CC/VIRII guys) we formed a gang once to go into curse to give them a little warning who they are dealing with (combined with a freighter run again) and tought them a lesson in one of curse's side systems where they had huge losses in a mid-scale fleet battle. since that time, no bigger skirmishes have been reported. CC stay well out of our space and we can live with that.
however, their siding with RA in this conflict is not yet forgotten. they chose the wrong side, which should become clearer and clearer to them, too. time will tell how relationship between CC and CHIMP/KOS/LV/V will evolve...
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Posted - 2006.05.02 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
As for the diplomatic convoy we sent today, the ISS defence force got the message.
... Hello Mum! o/ Look,its me. \o I'm on EVE-O! \o/
I, for one, would like to be the first to welcome our new Curse Coalition overlords. Their fighting prowess is famed throughout their npc station, and they are indubitably, masters of their breakfast table, and all on it they survey.
Raid, that's one of the risks of attacking superior numbers in a T1 frigate fleet. Sometimes you meet superior firepower with superior range and superior mobility while stuck in a frigin' bubble. Please come by more often .. that was hilarious.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.05.02 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
Edited by: Raid on 02/05/2006 02:24:46
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
You seem to have left out the parts where we offered you NAP. At least twice. And was turned down.
You also left out the part where we banned ISS civilian traffic from your space in Curse.
I think at this point the onus is on you to defend your policy of "defending" Curse by flying to Catch and engaging ISS pilots in KDF-GY.
Or was the 17-man gank squad you had in KDF earlier tonight on a diplomatic mission?
This topic has been beaten to death before. Yes ISS offered us a NAP yes we turned it down.. life goes on welcome to 0.0 space. As for the diplomatic convoy we sent today, the ISS defence force got the message.
Wow, that's a lot of frigate kills, did you get any good loot?
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Its convenient and fun, im sure IAC had fun today as did we. Life would be boring in 0.0 if everyone was naped with everyone else.
ISS aims to develop infrastructure in 0.0. To make it more than sitting on a chokepoint gate, ganking. There are of course, many who would rather shoot at ISS than share our vision. Most of these are relatively honest about it, and don't try and use political rhetoric as flimsy justification.
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Goodtime Girl
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Posted - 2006.05.02 08:41:00 -
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You seem to have left out the parts where we offered you NAP. At least twice. And was turned down.
You also left out the part where we banned ISS civilian traffic from your space in Curse.
I think at this point the onus is on you to defend your policy of "defending" Curse by flying to Catch and engaging ISS pilots in KDF-GY.
Or was the 17-man gank squad you had in KDF earlier tonight on a diplomatic mission?
/me smiles ..... ISSN/MC firstly go down to Litom and destroy your entire fleet for a single lose (stabber)
and then play around with you in T1 frigates and you think its a victory .... lol .... no wonder people / corps are leaving CDC.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.05.02 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
This topic has been beaten to death before. Yes ISS offered us a NAP yes we turned it down.. life goes on welcome to 0.0 space. As for the diplomatic convoy we sent today, the ISS defence force got the message.
Raid, what do you think you are playing at? You killed a bunch of T1 *suicide* frigates with basic modules (I think the most valuable ship destroyed was a Rifter). Or you seriously holding this up as some sort of great victory? I think you are losing your grip.
We spend pretty much *all day* roaming Curse in an average sized mixed fleet, finding everyone docked up and smacktalking. At least our guys come out and fight. I've already thanked them for the insurance payments - those suicide frigs run at a healthy profit
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.05.02 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
This topic has been beaten to death before. Yes ISS offered us a NAP yes we turned it down.. life goes on welcome to 0.0 space. As for the diplomatic convoy we sent today, the ISS defence force got the message.
You telling me you undocked and actually left Doril? OMG where was i? (probably asleep  ). Oh and you managed to gank what appears to be a tech1 frig fleet. Congrats, the ISS is now screwed
Please, and i beg you, undock when we are there and get something together. I so want to fight Tyrell its not funny but you never come out to play when im there 
Originally by: Raid
Its convenient and fun, im sure IAC had fun today as did we. Life would be boring in 0.0 if everyone was naped with everyone else.
Roaming squads that run away from an equivalent force is not fun, its bloody frustrating
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