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Raid	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:54:00 - [121] Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Wwhisper Lowa, Stop playing stupid, it doesn't become a member of the MC. It's common knowledge that when the MC loses a ship, those that hired them replace the ship. Why should I fight you on those terms. After your contact is up, come on back. I'll more than gladly fight you. Until then have fun without me. Ralph Dear Wwhisper-Ralph, I will now tell you something and I want you to listen. MC does NOT get replecment ships from clients. We may have been payed in ships but to be honest I have no knowledge of such things.I sure as hell have never received a ship after a lost fight, only a set of miner II's. Now, trust me or not, but call me a liar and you shall see how much credit I have compared to you in this our home and universe. And dont wish for things you really dont want to have happen. Sincerely, LOWA Dear LOWA, Please go back and read my post. I did not call you a lier. I called you stupid. If you're gonna get upset at something, than at least get it right. 'Gets paid in ships or gets replacements a rose by any other name is still replacement ship.' And it still equals the same thing. I do not fight mercs. I go after those that pay the mercs. Ralph Ralph, So what you are saying is that if you encounter an enemy that have the founds to replace ships with ease and run a prolonged war you wont fight them because you cant win? You have just offended your entire alliance by saying that you are so poor that you can not fight an enemy that has a solid economy behind it and that cant be right?! And dont come and say that you fight ISS because they are not a unified alliance or corp in that aspect and both you and them know that they are not the best fighting force in EVE right now. They are climbing the ladder fast though if I am to believe some posts in here. What would you do if D2 or ERA or any other alliance with a mighty ISK-backbone showed up and moved in? Regards, LOWA Lowa, he's saying 2 things: 1. A Merc's has a job to do. If the job is to kill you then avoiding the merc means he cant do his job properly. 2. ISK gained from a contract is used to fuel the war machine. A ship lost is in some form paid by the clients, so long as there are clients there will be materials to fuel the war machine. Hence the idea in step #1 to eliminate the advantage of the merc so the client can no longer justify hiring the merc. Dont read more into the situation that the above. This is the theory in merc warfare, shoot the client not the merc. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:58:00 - [122] Ralph Ralph, So what you are saying is that if you encounter an enemy that have the founds to replace ships with ease and run a prolonged war you wont fight them because you cant win? You have just offended your entire alliance by saying that you are so poor that you can not fight an enemy that has a solid economy behind it and that cant be right?! And dont come and say that you fight ISS because they are not a unified alliance or corp in that aspect and both you and them know that they are not the best fighting force in EVE right now. They are climbing the ladder fast though if I am to believe some posts in here. What would you do if D2 or ERA or any other alliance with a mighty ISK-backbone showed up and moved in? Regards, LOWA Dearest LOWA, Once against I'll ask you to go back and read my post. This time, read it a little more carefully. In it I said - "After your contact is up, come on back. I'll more than gladly fight you. Until then have fun without me." Please stop saying "so what your saying is..." You apparently have no clue I am saying. Or, what is more probable is your just trying the childish attempt to goad me into coming out to fight you. Heck, I'm surprised you haven't started calling me a coward or a chicken for not coming out and fighting you, or was that next? As for the rest of your post, not worth commenting about as it's just the same dribble. Ralph
Pride NL	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:10:00 - [123] If you think ISS hired the MC then: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:14:00 - [124] Originally by: Pride NL If you think ISS hired the MC then: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed. I think MC are pretty good at what they do. I think ISS consists of a bunch of backdoor sneeks trying to slide into 0.0 sideways with lies and scams. I think you have brain damage.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:15:00 - [125] Originally by: Pride NL If you think ISS hired the MC then: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed. Pride NL - WTF? Are you even in the same conversaion? I 'highly' suggest you go read the numerous posts here AND then come join the conversation.
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:15:00 - [126] Ralp, Raid, I didnt make my self clear I guess. Never mind mercs, what would you do if someone else, with the goal to take over your region for example, came along that had a very thick wallet and an industry to replace ships instantly without feeling the loss? Would you still say that you wouldnt fight since the loss had no impact on the enemies will or strength to continue the war? And I would never stoop to the level of childs. Again, if you had any merit and knowledge of me you would know that. Regards, LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:17:00 - [127] Originally by: Lowa Ralp, Raid, I didnt make my self clear I guess. Never mind mercs, what would you do if someone else, with the goal to take over your region for example, came along that had a very thick wallet and an industry to replace ships instantly without feeling the loss? Would you still say that you wouldnt fight since the loss had no impact on the enemies will or strength to continue the war? And I would never stoop to the level of childs. Again, if you had any merit and knowledge of me you would know that. Regards, LOWA LOWA, you mean like what the ISS is doing now? As for my knowledge of you, your right, I don't know you from squat. I can only go by what you post. Ralph
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:19:00 - [128] Originally by: Pride NL If you think ISS hired the MC then: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed. I think you are missing a word or two here, it is a fact ISS hired MC. Maybe what you where going to say was ISS hiring MC specificly against CC. In that case it would be closer to the truth. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:26:00 - [129] Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: Lowa Ralp, Raid, I didnt make my self clear I guess. Never mind mercs, what would you do if someone else, with the goal to take over your region for example, came along that had a very thick wallet and an industry to replace ships instantly without feeling the loss? Would you still say that you wouldnt fight since the loss had no impact on the enemies will or strength to continue the war? And I would never stoop to the level of childs. Again, if you had any merit and knowledge of me you would know that. Regards, LOWA LOWA, you mean like what the ISS is doing now? As for my knowledge of you, your right, I don't know you from squat. I can only go by what you post. Ralph Ralph, Will you answer my question or should we agree to disagree and leave it at that? I need to stop w.h.oring anyway, some muppet says I need to work. Regards, LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:30:00 - [130] Don't u just hate those muppets who hang over your cubicle wall telling you you really have better uses for your time?

Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:30:00 - [131] Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: Lowa Ralp, Raid, I didnt make my self clear I guess. Never mind mercs, what would you do if someone else, with the goal to take over your region for example, came along that had a very thick wallet and an industry to replace ships instantly without feeling the loss? Would you still say that you wouldnt fight since the loss had no impact on the enemies will or strength to continue the war? And I would never stoop to the level of childs. Again, if you had any merit and knowledge of me you would know that. Regards, LOWA LOWA, you mean like what the ISS is doing now? As for my knowledge of you, your right, I don't know you from squat. I can only go by what you post. Ralph Actually, I guess the same can be applied to me. I've been going back and re-reading some of my posts. Since you don't know me, I guess you could consider me an *******. The VIRII used to thank the same thing. Anyway, going and reading some of my posts, I seem to be a little angry. That's because this whole thread has really made me angry. It was started by a guy that was most likely a spy for someone (and to be honest I really don't think it was the ISS), he spent 12 days in our corp and then jumped on a forum and made a lot of personal attacks that were not done in an In-character forum. They were done in an out-of-character thread. This was done dilerabely. And it seems it was condoned by many people here. I think a lot of people forget this is an OOC fourm and just spout whatever they won't. They see there character face in the upper left corner and just assume it's that character talking. That's why I'm signing my name. I hope it will remind people that this is not an OOC. Now this guys has traded for a new character and joined M corp. If he is still in M corp after being informed what he did, then I have to conclude, this was done my a corp in M corp. This is the worst type of playmenship. Ralph
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:32:00 - [132] Originally by: Keldareth Don't u just hate those muppets who hang over your cubicle wall telling you you really have better uses for your time? WTB: 'How to turn your cubicle into a death star POS' - The complete holo-reel series! NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:41:00 - [133] Ha... upload it to an FTP for me :P www.thinkgeek.com has cubicle alarms. Infra-red detectors that sound an alarm when the beams are broken. Would be fun to an extent but offensive weaponry ftw.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:42:00 - [134] Originally by: Hoshi I think you are missing a word or two here, it is a fact ISS hired MC. Maybe what you where going to say was ISS hiring MC specificly against CC. In that case it would be closer to the truth. Don't be so clueless, Hoshi. We've already successfully deployed one outpost with their assistance, two more to go. Those outposts represent 110bn ISK of investment - slightly more important than you guys. You're just a spot of light entertainment for them, nothing more. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:57:00 - [135] Butter Dog i think it makes you look like a fool when you fail to read what was written and merely jump on someone instead. Look at the post before hoshi's. Then re-read hoshi's. He's agreeing that MC was not hired with the express purpose of dealing with CC. He was correcting one of the ISS minions who couldn't form coherent thoughts.
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:59:00 - [136] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Pride NL If you think ISS hired the MC then: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed. I think you are missing a word or two here, it is a fact ISS hired MC. Maybe what you where going to say was ISS hiring MC specificly against CC. In that case it would be closer to the truth. What hoshi is trying to say is that your member meant to say: If you think ISS hired MC TO DEAL WITH CC: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed. Hoshi is not saying MC was hired just to deal with us. Remedial english skills and basic logic ftw.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:02:00 - [137] I skim read CC posts, I confess Although, I did consult my crystal ball earlier. It told me that not all the corps in CC are as happy as they might be. Interesting.... of course, its just a crystal ball, surely that can't be true! ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:09:00 - [138] Originally by: Butter Dog I skim read CC posts, I confess Although, I did consult my crystal ball earlier. It told me that not all the corps in CC are as happy as they might be. Interesting.... of course, its just a crystal ball, surely that can't be true! Speaking of unhappy corps, how many has ISS lost now, four or five?
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:19:00 - [139] Edited by: Butter Dog on 03/05/2006 16:20:03 Originally by: Lt Hole Speaking of unhappy corps, how many has ISS lost now, four or five? Since the war, member count has increased and we're the No.4 alliance in EVE, soooo.... looks like we're doing pretty well ISS deals with empire wars all the time - you guys have inflicted very little damage compared to other wars we've had. I'd give you 4/10. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:19:00 - [140] Originally by: Lt Hole Originally by: Butter Dog I skim read CC posts, I confess Although, I did consult my crystal ball earlier. It told me that not all the corps in CC are as happy as they might be. Interesting.... of course, its just a crystal ball, surely that can't be true! Speaking of unhappy corps, how many has ISS lost now, four or five? Hay LT. Lost may be too strong a word. I think those corps that surrendered to the CC went into hiding. Most likely, when CC's war is over with ISS at the end of July, they'll most likely return to the fold. That is, until someone else declares war. Got to keep that machine fed. Which just goes to show that the empire war is more effective then the ISS wants to let on. Say what they will, the proof is in the pudding. If it wasn't at least somewhat effective, they wouldn't be dropping out of the ISS. Ralph

Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:26:00 - [141] Edited by: Chain Gang on 03/05/2006 16:28:15 CC are funny ..... they try to be a big corp, claim a region and do nothing apart from sending out the odd gank squad and sitting in a "NPC" station ..... Come on guys put some "Isk" where your "smack talk is" and lets them have a big fight to the end ...... off course you won't but you sound big on the forums ..... The slightest chance of a even fight you "take down your POS's" and jump into KDF for 3 mins and run back to doril when theres a chance of some action .... We love forum warriors but at least the ISS / ISSN have built something its not their fault your to "small minded" to be able to take it from them. /finished ... please follow with official CC dribble in single file.
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:32:00 - [142] I hate when people don't include their Corp + Alliance in their forum information. It makes posts like Chain Gangs much less credible. When you see without having to log in he belongs to XXXX corp you can say oh well there must be some merit to what he says, or he belongs to Aliastra and you can dismiss him as a person who's calling the kettle black saying we are mighty forum warriors yet he hides behind an alt to slander us. It's not that hard people... Settings, select character, click Show Corporation Show Alliance. Lend some credence to your posts.
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:33:00 - [143] I is not black
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:34:00 - [144] huh?
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:36:00 - [145] If that was your attempt at a whitty remark, I pity you and also hope you have your helmet on. At least make an intelligent retort.
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:37:00 - [146] Come on Keldareth .. enter the big world and get CC to stop hiding behind the NPC stations .......
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:39:00 - [147] This is just speculation, but I think from the tone of this whole thread, if we were to plant an outpost somewhere ISSN would be the least of our concern. Quite literally the LEAST of our concern. LV and all the others would probably be much more of a problem. That is unless ISS plays the role of the lazy moneybag and throws countless merc corps at our theoretical outpost. I can't log in right now, who are you chain gang? Are you in this war at all or are you just taking a shot at us for the sake of feeling a little better about yourself?
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:47:00 - [148] Originally by: Keldareth This is just speculation, but I think from the tone of this whole thread, if we were to plant an outpost somewhere ISSN would be the least of our concern. Quite literally the LEAST of our concern. LV and all the others would probably be much more of a problem. That is unless ISS plays the role of the lazy moneybag and throws countless merc corps at our theoretical outpost. I can't log in right now, who are you chain gang? Are you in this war at all or are you just taking a shot at us for the sake of feeling a little better about yourself? You're very welcome to build an outpost, we wouldnt wish to stop you. Indeed we'd offer our support. Development of 0.0 space is what ISS stands for, after all. Rather than speculate, do it. Move into 0.0 proper and build a home you can be proud of. CVA are a similar size and they have an outpost, and it would be a nice goal for you guys to work for, apart from sniping noobs entering Doril from the Sendaya gate. Unless, of course, you're happy with achieving precisely nothing. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:49:00 - [149] Originally by: Lt Hole You lose corps and grow. Interesting math. I guess it works something like this: 10 - 1 = 11 We gain corps and grow, not that you know anything about it. ISS is an entry point for many industrial corps into 0.0, if they move on to the territorial alliances, we consider that a 'job well done'. Its what ISS stands for - opening up 0.0 to new generations of players. Either way, ISS is bigger now than it ever has been, but thats not relevant to overall ISS goals. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:51:00 - [150] Butter Dog again you post without readnig the previous posts. Go back and read Chain Gang's post. He said "if you build an outpost I'd like to see you try to defend it from ISSN." My message was in response to his idea we'd lose our outpost to ISSN. Dude you really gotta learn to stop skimming through this stuff. You just keep making yourself look like a bigger fool than you already have. Your so fast to redicule and yet not willing to understand.



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