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Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 03:25:00 - [1] I will firstly say that this opinion article is just that purely my opinion... Some share it some don't. Secondly I would like to say I am a former member of Curse Coalition on this character; as such this article has basis and is not some "unnamed" reporter trying to be heard. After a week of war I was tired and getting on to being sick and tired.. Sick and tired of running around and trying to kill new players in the game. This whole downward spiral occured for me when I successfully caught and destroyed a "enemy" Raven while podding my geddon over in Nonni. The pilots name was Zamp and he was new to the game and unexperienced in the art of war. This fact became increasingly evident when I found out that he was flying his first Raven ever which he had gotten 15 minutes ago and to boot had not insured it. This was the "enemy" that I had been told was the scourge of the Curse Region. I would like to break here and apologize to ISS and MC for any losses I inflicted upon them. The alliance I was in at the time was not what it appeared to be and I am sorry. Now that I have said that I will continue. It was originally told to me that ISS had attemped to force CC out of Curse and that when they were unable to they resorted to hiring mercenaries to do that for them. This seemed resonable as CC was new to the area. It was a little confusing at the time that IAC, Chimp, and LV all felt the same way towards us that ISS did... This question was answered by my superiors as such "ISS pimped their isk around the area and paid people to hate us". Okay so now I really have a reason to fight ISS... Or so I thought. After the incident with Zamp I decided to look a little deeper into the true causes of this war. What I found from talking with people from all parties was a totally different story than what I had been fed by the "leaders" of CC. What I found was that CC entered Curse guns blazing without any attempt to negotiate peace. After a long period of war with the alliances that inhabitted the Northern Curse area peace was finally brough to the area through a treaty between CC and CDC as well as a NAP between CC and RA.. This Nap with RA brought about a proxy NAP with FFA as RA and FFA were allied for their common interest. The peace was nice for everyone until CC decided that they would refuse passage through Curse of anyone that was not + standings to include neutrals. For such a yound alliance at the time this was a bold move, but it was handled in a pirating sense. When ISS came to the negotiating table for a NAP so that their pilots could move stuff through CC Space they were turned down. The word was sent out to all ISS pilots not to enter Curse and it was followed. With no one to shoot in Curse, the "lead" corporations Tyrell Corp and Black Guard Brigade decided to go looking for combat showing that infact they were nothing more than pirates with large numbers and a econmic base behind them. They conducted multiple raids into other alliances space causing a undeclared war with IAC and bad terms with ISS. IAC made valiant attempts to defend themselves and ISS resorted to hiring mercenaries. ISS eventually went as far as to hire the elite Mercenary Coalition alliance which started the declared war. After 5 days of fighting CC pilots had spread across empire secure in their superiority. Until the hammer fell and ISS Navy and MC started forming gank squads and trapping CC pilots. With multiple skirmishs going on in Curse with ISS IAC LV and Chimp (who joined the cause to remove this threat (CC) from their boarders and with the increase in losses in empire space due to the stepped up efforts of ISS and MC the call was given for all CC pilots to return to Curse. 90% of pilots followed these orders to their doom. What resulted could have been forseen but wasn't by the pirates known as Tyrell Corp. (Continued)
Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 03:32:00 - [2] ISS and MC smelled blood. Immediatly fleets of ISS and MC moved from empire space to Curse and began a campaign against CC. With such force in the region IAC LV and Chimp stepped up their combat actions in the region as well. The result was catastrophic for the small alliance. Pilots speant whole days camped inside stations unable to leave to accomplish anything with 20-50man fleets outside. With such danger the weekended and the MC war was not repaid. MC seemed to pull out of the region and ISS actions were minimal for this 24 hour period. At least until the war that CC had declared against ISS was renewed. This brought the wraith back down upon CC and was done without the agreement of all the corporations in the alliance. Once again pilots were camped down 24/7. Fleets were mustered to attempt to remove the "enemy" from the area but 90% of the time these fleets got camped down and had to run to safe spots. Upon asking around it became evident that Tyrell Corp had no intention of surrendering the war. They said they were having too much fun ganking the n00b pilots of ISS. It was at this point that I decided to leave. I waited until dead night and then evacuated my items from Curse and left my corporation. I am convinced that Tyrell Corp and Black Rock Brigade are either fanatical pvpers with no sense of what is too much or when to give up or they I just insane. I urge the alliances around Curse space to join ISS, IAC, LV, MC, and CHIMP in the removal of these pirates from the space for the security of the region and its neighbors. God Speed and fly safe.
Gunsnroses	Posted - 2006.05.01 03:32:00 - [3] Waiting :)
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2006.05.01 03:46:00 - [4] tbh mate, post with your main, it lends credence to your claims. bawk tho Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 03:48:00 - [5] Edited by: Major Ganksta on 01/05/2006 03:48:43 This is my main. I left the alliance. Feel free to login and check my employment history
Carnagge	Posted - 2006.05.01 04:18:00 - [6] how come ppl dont insure there ships like right after they buy them? I never understood that.
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2006.05.01 04:19:00 - [7] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken tbh mate, post with your main, it lends credence to your claims. bawk tho Me thinks that Fowl needs to pay attention to where this man has been. Before someone gets plucked and turned into chicken soup. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2006.05.01 04:22:00 - [8] Thanks for an entertaining read It's kinda amusing to see how much CC have changed from what they started as back in 2003 ;P http://eve.klaki.net/
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.01 04:25:00 - [9] Edited by: Raid on 01/05/2006 04:25:14 How long were you in CC for? 12 days?... We should have done to you what Priory did to their spy... In your 12 days in CC you have learnt nothing about our history and nothing about our capabilities. Your goal seems to have been to get information, leave the alliance and start a PR campaign against us. You know nothing about why we're here, what these wars are about and nothing about our history with the other alliances in this area. If you think this post will change anything your mistaken. If anything you have made us rethink out hiring policies and *** down and spy alts. Be gone. NO REPLIES FROM CC PLEASE Originally by:** Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 04:43:00 - [10] LOL and thats why until I stopped fighting cause it was immoral I was ranked #7 on your kill boards. Raid your post doesn't really warrent a reply but here it is. I gave your pirate alliance a fair swing before I found out you were just a pirate alliance with no goals that benefit the EVE community as a whole. Then I left and voiced my opinion to the people that really matter... the community.
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.01 05:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Major Ganksta LOL and thats why until I stopped fighting cause it was immoral I was ranked #7 on your kill boards. Raid your post doesn't really warrent a reply but here it is. I gave your pirate alliance a fair swing before I found out you were just a pirate alliance with no goals that benefit the EVE community as a whole. Then I left and voiced my opinion to the people that really matter... the community. Funny, i had no idea we were ganking people in 0.1 systems... Your biggest mistake was confirming you are spy...goodluck getting honest employment with this character. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 05:17:00 - [12] Edited by: Major Ganksta on 01/05/2006 05:21:52 I never confirmed I was a spy. I have a moral disagreement with your policies. Thats not a spy thats I don't think the same way you do. Stop trying to label me a spy for disagreeing with your policy of shoot them all. Grow up. No doubt anyone that reads this will not see into your claims of spying I was nothing but loyal fighting your stupid little war that is getting you demolished. Until I decided I had enough of your little gank fest and left. Thats not spying thats morals.
The End	Posted - 2006.05.01 05:55:00 - [13] Edited by: The End on 01/05/2006 05:55:39 12 days in the alliance only to leave and proceed to whine on the forums and make a long post like you know anything about the alliance i hear NFC is recruiting miners if you are interested
MrMorph	Posted - 2006.05.01 07:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Raid Originally by: Major Ganksta LOL and thats why until I stopped fighting cause it was immoral I was ranked #7 on your kill boards. Raid your post doesn't really warrent a reply but here it is. I gave your pirate alliance a fair swing before I found out you were just a pirate alliance with no goals that benefit the EVE community as a whole. Then I left and voiced my opinion to the people that really matter... the community. Funny, i had no idea we were ganking people in 0.1 systems... Your biggest mistake was confirming you are spy...goodluck getting honest employment with this character. Think he is very welcome to the ISSN Anyways, you didnt know ya'll were ganking in empire ? Well dude, what ya call placing ppl on every gate from agil to torrinos ? When one gets attacked, all the others come in from the other gates to help. Ofcource shuttles, barges, haulers, cruisers, noobships, frigs and pods seems to be your primary consern. ---------------------------------------------- No sig due to the 1byte 1 pixel limit.
Pearl Charaxes	Posted - 2006.05.01 08:56:00 - [15] Very enjoying read, I must say :) And I have to agree with you that cc / cdc are plain pirates not defending curse or anything, they do frequent raids to our turf, which is fun, but doesn't really makes sense with offensive ops against a neighbour for no reason but "defending curse", we're in catch. So is iss. To me cc and cdc will remain pirates trying gank people who do not wish to fight, or do something else but fight. Join Office linebackers, click!
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:21:00 - [16] [ 2006.04.29 18:25:37 ] jake sisko > look who shows up now [ 2006.04.29 18:29:11 ] Fatus Buttious > bawk o/ [ 2006.04.29 18:29:15 ] FowlPlayChiken > bawk [ 2006.04.29 18:29:38 ] jake sisko > gf to nmc. iac are just riding on coat tails [ 2006.04.29 18:29:49 ] FowlPlayChiken > \o [ 2006.04.29 18:29:56 ] Hellrazer > bawk [ 2006.04.29 18:40:05 ] jake sisko > lol [ 2006.04.29 18:41:17 ] jake sisko > eve = short form for overkill :) [ 2006.04.29 18:44:27 ] jake sisko > what the **** is with eve and everyone wanting 2-3 on 1 before they fight :( Well all I have to say is you reap what you sow. If CC/CdC had not been 'defending' Curse space in Catch then they would probably have docking rights at ISS Marginis and the Genco Outpost right now. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:25:00 - [17] I find the allegations that Major Ganksta is a spy somewhat ridiculous. Just looking at our killboard I can see he both killed ISS battleships and was killed himself. That he is an active player is somewhat obvious. Thats just an FYI, by the way, not any sort of political statement. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Velios	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:39:00 - [18] Major Ganksta's post has simply illustrated from an inside perspective what we in LV and friends already know... That CC / CDC are little more than petty "griefer" groups with no long term goals, no strategy and no capability to live anywhere but on the frindges of 0.0 where they can snare inexperienced players as they amble into low sec. In time they may evolve out of the mud swamps and aim a little higher, until then they are just the play thing of modern alliances. M.Corp BPC Packages
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:49:00 - [19] major ganksta was and is a cool guy he i flew with him abit even though he only spent a short time in CC .. And we had fun and he really put an effort into killing ISS And otherwise an active player and such .. He dosent agree with the policy of the alliance and thats the way it goes sometimes im sure no one is ever content otherwise people wouldnt need that long employment history behind them .. i see it as his views and he just seems to want to share his views and does so after he leaves .. and its harder to disagre while in the alliance .. fly safe m8
Able Citizen	Posted - 2006.05.01 13:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Valkazm Edited by: Valkazm on 01/05/2006 12:15:08 Edited by: Valkazm on 01/05/2006 12:11:36 Edited by: Valkazm on 01/05/2006 12:11:21 yeah edited didnt see the part were we werent suppose to reply oh well .. And apparently they demand absolute fealty of their drones...
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2006.05.01 14:13:00 - [21] eve has turned to ganking. thats why its always huge numbers, ect. its the wcs really. you need like 5 people to hold down a single bs. tis *******s. i cant solo anymore, too many stabs:) as for the rest, sorry for not checking history. bawk! Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.01 14:31:00 - [22] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken eve has turned to ganking. thats why its always huge numbers, ect. its the wcs really. you need like 5 people to hold down a single bs. tis *******s. i cant solo anymore, too many stabs:) as for the rest, sorry for not checking history. bawk! Nah its not the stabs, its balls. No one has the balls to get an even number of people together to fight so all thats left is ganking the random solo people that fly around and get unlucky My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.05.01 14:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: FowlPlayChiken eve has turned to ganking. thats why its always huge numbers, ect. its the wcs really. you need like 5 people to hold down a single bs. tis *******s. i cant solo anymore, too many stabs:) as for the rest, sorry for not checking history. bawk! Nah its not the stabs, its balls. No one has the balls to get an even number of people together to fight so all thats left is ganking the random solo people that fly around and get unlucky Well, the MC do have a certain reputation. Whilst self destructing your own ship rather than engaging a few MC pilots might on the face of it seem a bad idea, at least there's less chance of getting podded. -- We are recruiting We sell Chimeras.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.01 15:04:00 - [24] Sorry James but reputation or not, until you've actually have a good few fights with someone how do you KNOW if they are better than you? You certainly wont find out sitting in NPC stations in Curse, thats for sure Damn im such a dirty smacker My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.05.01 16:55:00 - [25] I still try to solo but as was said earlier there's not much point. People see me in a punisher and quickly come back with 6+ guys with jammers aswell, then they complain when we do the same to them I wish Eve was the same as it was in 2004. i.e. lots of fun. --------------------------- What can I put here without getting banned?
Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 17:04:00 - [26] Edited by: Major Ganksta on 01/05/2006 17:05:41 double post.
Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 17:04:00 - [27] I am glad so many people see it my way. Makes the whole thing worth it, even if it is the people already fighting CC but wth good work guys!
Lord Cyric	Posted - 2006.05.01 17:23:00 - [28] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken eve has turned to ganking. thats why its always huge numbers, ect. its the wcs really. you need like 5 people to hold down a single bs. tis *****s. i cant solo anymore, too many stabs:) or to catch that vagabond going 5k m/s eh??? As far as the rest, spot on, you need at least 3-4 points to catch 90% of the people in space, that doesn't leave many slots open for other mods. Originally by:** Eyeshadow Sorry James but reputation or not, until you've actually have a good few fights with someone how do you KNOW if they are better than you? You certainly wont find out sitting in NPC stations in Curse, thats for sure Actually you'll never really KNOW if someone is better than you in this game due to ship setups, skill points, and the variety of options available to you if you're willing to shell out the cash for them. That is what makes EVE great, but unless the two sides have exactly the same ships in a fight, you can't narrow it down to skill or skillpoints, and there are no mechanics to narrow it down to skill only. Tech 2 ships of the same role are better than tech 1, faction ships are better than the basics, the only way to prove anything at all is to eliminate the options.
Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 17:41:00 - [29] Cyric.... if you have a better ship in eve your better. Its like in all other MMOs gear matters. There is no need to pear it down either you win or you don't.
Small Miner	Posted - 2006.05.01 19:46:00 - [30] Edited by: Small Miner on 01/05/2006 19:46:59 I guess CC would like to check these two links out. Link Link I thought those that want to hunt you down for fun would enjoy. And if you decide to change your info, so here it is: Originally by: lowrider1 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Valkazm yeah butter frigates fleet 4TW ? Well, we've destroyed over 100 times more ISK over the past few weeks. So, I guess so. PS - you won't find suicide frig fleets waiting for you in empire So if you destroyed 100x the isk in us than we did in you last week. (lies) then why did you *** up and hire mercs? _____________ Originally by:** Major Ganksta Edited by: Major Ganksta on 21/04/2006 11:47:36 Edited by: Major Ganksta on 21/04/2006 11:46:44 ^^ stupid alts (lowrider1 is me)
Bach	Posted - 2006.05.01 20:32:00 - [31] Just got back from being away and saw this thread. Raid- I recognize your directorship on political issues as your responsibility. I understand you asked for no replies. However, Ganksta's underying reasons are actually inner-alliance ones, not the political ones he suggests and the inner-alliance issues are my responsibilities. As such I would comment on this. Why CC fight ISS/LC/V/Chimera or or any of that has nothing to do with this thread. Many of you know me and have been both team mate and opponents for years. This guy "Major Ganksta" is an extremely poor team player. In a short stay of 12 days he disobeyed orders, only listened to or heard what he wanted too and in the end was waging his own campaign in empire with his own rules. Maybe there was confusion or miscommunication behind it but I really don't think so. Had he actually followed the R.O.E. laid out by the alliance his geddon wouldn't have ever been there in a position to destroy that raven in the first place. When finally the word went out that enough was enough and to pull back to Curse, he got upset. The problem seemed to be we weren't doing this the way he would and so we're all stupid or scared. He got mad, left his corp and went his own way. This is a good thing for everyone. It was 12 days. Far from a life long steadfast member. If you don't like what a corp or alliance is doing after you get a short taste then just move on and do something else. This smear campaign stuff is extremely bad form and exemplary of your lack of team performance in the short time you were with us. I certainly can't confirm or deny this guy is a spy. I really don't think he was a spy. Just a trouble maker and non-team oriented player in my opinion. If you see he is applying to your corp I recommend you just walk away from this one.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.01 21:03:00 - [32] I don't know this Major guy, so I cannot possibly comment on his reliablity or otherwise, but I can see that he makes the same arguements as many in ISS/IAC/LV/CHIMP/V etc have been making for a long time. That so many opinions with regard to CC are the same in this regard is not a coincidence, and many of the arguements he makes are both valid and well considered. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Athon NooB	Posted - 2006.05.01 21:10:00 - [33] Slightly off topic Good fights to date - I do not think I have found even a hint of smack-down. Shoot, kill, next. Reminds me of FIX in it's prime. GJ both alliances. Back to shooty shooty. Athon
Bach	Posted - 2006.05.01 21:10:00 - [34] Quote: That so many opinions with regard to CC are the same in this regard is not a coincidence, and many of the arguements he makes are both valid and well considered. Butter- your kind of heading into the political realm so I can't continue this much further. Ganksta's statement do in-fact mimic the commons anti-CC ones posted here. This is no mistake. Its exactly what he wants it to be.
Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 21:32:00 - [35] @Bach All I have to say is this: It shows a lot of what Tyrell is about that the only thing being done here is trying to slander my name. Thats the Curse Coalition response. Anyone will easily see through what you are trying to do... Raid fingered me a spy people ignored it. So you get on and try to finger me as a non-team player. When in fact I was teaming up with people all over empire and the entire time I was in empire so was 90% of CC. When the call came out to return I did. Please go try to slander someone else and post political responses instead of the usual BS that you and your cronies throw around.
Evelgrivion	Posted - 2006.05.01 21:52:00 - [36] Im still relatively new to the game, but I must say, you Curse guys have been making things very difficult for IAC and many others - and especially for those of us new enough to still be in Empire space. With a state of active warfare, its a bit of a turnoff for the new blood. Retalling these Curse Incursions is an irritating thing - they keep on going and going and going, without any real end in sight. Since I joined after the war started, fill me in on your view of events that led to this conflict; all its done is given Curse a very bad name. Also, yesterday's ganking incursion was totally lame by all hearsay accounts.
Murukan	Posted - 2006.05.01 21:57:00 - [37] Lol come on guys, CC is defending the free people of curse by setting up gate camps in the catch pipe and ganking anyone who comes through the gate haha. Seriously you CC guys are just a bunch of pirates, atleast embrace it like CDC does, trying to deny that all you guys want to do is gank the crap out of everything that moves makes you liars and losers.
Serenity Frye	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:05:00 - [38] Does it matter if there pirates ?
Evelgrivion	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:10:00 - [39] Edited by: Evelgrivion on 01/05/2006 22:10:00 I suppose it matters in the aspect that they are trying to maintain their war by holding their specific position - however, ganking outside sectors like Keberz and other nearby areas, making travel impossible for anything less than a small fleet is just piracy, plain and simple. If it invalidates their war efforts, CCP should get on their cases really. Otherwise, it just gets more people to hate the Curse Coalition.
Bach	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:18:00 - [40] Ganksta wrote: Quote: Please go try to slander someone else and post political responses instead of the usual BS that you and your cronies throw around. This whole thread you started is to slander CC. Prior to you losing that geddon, Tekal told you to get it out of empire. Later, I asked you to get it out of empire. When you got it destroyed and Tekal reprimanded you, right or wrong, you then got mad. That geddon was only in empire because you wanted it to be there. The ROE was "alts only" in empire vs the empire ISS. Its a fair contest, I think many ISS pilots are having as much fun with it as we are and its also one you chose not to participate in fairly. Mains were to be back in Curse for the fleet fights. Again, more fun for the opposition and us. It doesn't matter how many ISS you killed with that BS in empire you weren't supposed to be there. Now your spouting the dishonor is ours for declaring a fight on helpless ISS in empire? What is that about? Its about pure slander of the CC. How many Curse fleet battles did you expect to get into with YOUR main and BS sitting in empire? You missed a few during this time and we could have used you. When we finally got someone you would listen too, to order you back into Curse you gave it all of 1-2 days to start complaining. I don't believe you ever had a problem with killing that guys Raven. There is a thrill in being up on the kill board. There is a thrill in being able to solo hunt in eve. What you didn't enjoy was the patience and discipline it takes to fight in 0.0 against ready opposition. When you couldn't get the followers in 0.0 to mass up fast enough for you to continue getting the kills you were hooked on you got mad and branded us cowards or losers. This thread started with you slandering CC and your former corp mates left behind. You should have fully and fairly expected someone to explain the other side of the coin. Its got nothing to do with politics and thats not slander. Ganksta, join the ISSN. You know our habits and where we are you could be an asset for these reasons. You might become a detriment for others. Butter dog sounds like he is interested. You'll get to shoot us then and prove what cowards we are.
Evelgrivion	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:22:00 - [41] So Bach, fill me in; what are you Curse guys exactly out to do, and why is IAC a threat to that objective?
Doc Brown	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:23:00 - [42] Edited by: Doc Brown on 01/05/2006 22:24:15 Originally by: Evelgrivion Im still relatively new to the game, but I must say, you Curse guys have been making things very difficult for IAC and many others - and especially for those of us new enough to still be in Empire space. With a state of active warfare, its a bit of a turnoff for the new blood. Retalling these Curse Incursions is an irritating thing - they keep on going and going and going, without any real end in sight. Since I joined after the war started, fill me in on your view of events that led to this conflict; all its done is given Curse a very bad name. Also, yesterday's ganking incursion was totally lame by all hearsay accounts. The quick, short, and dirty version: CC has lived in curse since the pretty much the beginning (yes, CC did fight CA). CC setup a new home in doril after the new routes were put in place and we started working with our neighbors to protect our mutual space. ISS decided to build a station, some ISS pilots took the shortest route to it which happened to be through doril. ISS either did not care about our claim or was unaware. CC, obviously, shot the new pilots as we didn't know what their intention was. ISS hired mercs. CC fought mercs. ISS hired more. CC fought more. ISS hired MC. MC war-dec'd CC. CC war-dec'd ISS back. (and CC fought MC and ISS) End. _________________________________________________ There are no bad ideas, only bad implementations.
Bach	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:26:00 - [43] Players that have answered this thread asking about reasons for the war~ I am not ignoring you and Hope you wont take it that way. My directorship does not cover such public statements and it wouldn't be right for me to comment publically. I am sure Raid will address them in time. If you wish you may contact me in game privately.
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:26:00 - [44] Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 01/05/2006 22:28:02 Originally by: Serenity Frye Does it matter if there pirates ? edit: I added bold in some areas yep, they should be proud of thier kills. "hey, I just ganked an osprey in Nijara" "cool, have any trouble?" "he had 3 mining lasers... it was quite a challenge, but I nailed that evil empire pilot from ever maybe going into curse!" "good job! gang with us so we can take out those two haulers in Rens. Meanwhile I'll camp torrinos and shoot shuttles with my HAC" This is how I see the CC fight, from my perspective. I stand by ISS and will for as long as it's around. From my standpoint you can use 0.0 to either gank other people and cause destruction, or build. I choose to build. Doril has been closed to ISS, and as far as I know, the closure was respected amongst ISS. I hold no grudge against most CC, the few I've engaged (well, I wouldn't really call it engaging as I'm not a good fighter) have been completely smack free and were very civil. However I find it funny that CC states how it's defending Curse, and yet is fighting in empire and against an alliance that isn't near, nor plans to be in Curse. Whatever though. I'll probably be an even larger target by talking on Galnet, and most won't even bother reading this since I'm fairly new to the alliance, however in my own personal opinion camping empire under the guise of defending a 0.0 region is a horrible excuse. It's not my opinion to get involved in the politics, nor my desire. However I put a high value in honor, as fighters, haulers, and pirates. You either have it or you don't, regardless of your profession.
Evelgrivion	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:29:00 - [45] Wow, brilliantly stupid move - a simple explanation and some + standings and no one would be screwing with anyone further, and everybody would be happy. Cant we just work out our differences?
Malken	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Evelgrivion Wow, brilliantly stupid move - a simple explanation and some + standings and no one would be screwing with anyone further, and everybody would be happy. Cant we just work out our differences? now wheres the fun in that? more sploshuns as kinsy would say. Quote: [05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot [05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN
DogTyred	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:56:00 - [47] Edited by: DogTyred on 01/05/2006 22:57:54 How boring would that be. 0.0 is not Empire, ISS/IAC want to make it like Empire. Miners etc, even typing the words make me feel a lil dirty. Sure people do that stuff and like it, but it's not for me I like to blow sh~t up. If ISS or IAC had something to offer CC/CDC then I'm sure an accomodation would have been posible but we really aren't interested in docking in ure stations. As for ganksta, 0.0 isn't for everyone, constant wars and looking over your shoulder while npc'ing isn't for everyone, perhaps being in a corp that includes the words mining more suits your style. (if there was a corp name suited to me it would be gate camping bastid i spect )
Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 22:57:00 - [48] Edited by: Major Ganksta on 01/05/2006 23:00:35 Edited by: Major Ganksta on 01/05/2006 22:58:53 Edited by: Major Ganksta on 01/05/2006 22:57:58 Actually Bach aparently you never read my full post. I never branded you cowards or losers I branded you fanatics or insane. Aside from that the order was given AFTER I lost my geddon and 3 other people lost battleships in the fifth day of empire conflict to return to Curse. That was also in my first post BUT aparently you failed to read my original post. Further more I was not "reprimanded" by anyone Tara Read was most likely drunk and calling people stupid for flying around solo even though about 85% of the alliance was doing it. AFTER another person who was my superior on my corps side told him to STFU I decided it would be okay to stick up for myself gave him a piece of my mind and left the channel. Never once being "reprimanded" by anyone nor ever talked to about it by anyone other than Tara Read whining because he couldn't get groups to go maliciously gank IAC in CATCH. Please 1 get your facts straight and 2 read posts you are replying to k thanks. Your doing nothing but showing the world how TYC acts towards people and supporting my original claims. Thanks btw for proving my point.
Major Ganksta	Posted - 2006.05.01 23:16:00 - [49] Anyways I am not going to be checking this post anymore the statement was made the arguement was brought to the table and instead of dealing with it maturely Tyrell decided to attempt to slander me thus proving half my points. Have a good day.
Yonos	Posted - 2006.05.01 23:25:00 - [50] i flew with this guy gangsta and he is an ***. He claims to be #7 on our killboards...yeah the brand new killboard with few posts. Now he is rapidly being eclipsed, like not even in the rankings anymore. He flew a geddon around alone in empire without instas or scout during wartime... genius. He is course and lame and argumentative and not someone you want as a wingmate. I wanted to refute any delusions of granduer of his that his departure has been CC's fault alone. If you recruit this guy, making a hauler pilot.
Lady Kushrenada	Posted - 2006.05.02 01:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Doc Brown Edited by: Doc Brown on 01/05/2006 22:24:15 CC, obviously, shot the new pilots as we didn't know what their intention was. I wonder what the ISS intends... Quote: As such the ISS differs from existing Alliances in that the ISS have no territorial or military ambitions. Let's look deeper... Quote: Combat and war - Spaceships of ISS member corporations may only engage when: -- The ISS alliance has set negative standings to the corporation in question -- An ISS pilot is targeted, are under direct threat or their assets under threat. I only have one earnest question concerning your claim that you shot ISS because you did not know their intentions. Did you, at any point, ask, or care? I am willing to go out on a limb and assume everyone here is reasonable, so I don't mean to ask this as a rhetorical question. If you did ask, I think it would be valuable for the rest of the EVE community to better understand the Curse Coalition were you to post the logs of this correspondence. Given the position the Curse Coalition has taken regarding the ISS, shouldn't this help prove your conspiracy theories regarding the 'true' nature of the ISS? I can't imagine you would have anything to hide, right? Naturally I would not fault you if you lost track of these records, but at least an account of them I think would do everyone a lot of good. ____________ Fear is the Mind-Killer
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.05.02 02:14:00 - [52] Originally by: Doc Brown The quick, short, and dirty version: CC has lived in curse since the pretty much the beginning (yes, CC did fight CA). CC setup a new home in doril after the new routes were put in place and we started working with our neighbors to protect our mutual space. ISS decided to build a station, some ISS pilots took the shortest route to it which happened to be through doril. ISS either did not care about our claim or was unaware. CC, obviously, shot the new pilots as we didn't know what their intention was. ISS hired mercs. CC fought mercs. ISS hired more. CC fought more. ISS hired MC. MC war-dec'd CC. CC war-dec'd ISS back. (and CC fought MC and ISS) End. You seem to have left out the parts where we offered you NAP. At least twice. And was turned down. You also left out the part where we banned ISS civilian traffic from your space in Curse. I think at this point the onus is on you to defend your policy of "defending" Curse by flying to Catch.
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.02 02:24:00 - [53] Edited by: Raid on 02/05/2006 02:24:46 Originally by: Jacob Majestic You seem to have left out the parts where we offered you NAP. At least twice. And was turned down. You also left out the part where we banned ISS civilian traffic from your space in Curse. I think at this point the onus is on you to defend your policy of "defending" Curse by flying to Catch and engaging ISS pilots in KDF-GY. Or was the 17-man gank squad you had in KDF earlier tonight on a diplomatic mission? This topic has been beaten to death before. Yes ISS offered us a NAP yes we turned it down.. life goes on welcome to 0.0 space. As for the diplomatic convoy we sent today, the ISS defence force got the message. Its convenient and fun, im sure IAC had fun today as did we. Life would be boring in 0.0 if everyone was naped with everyone else. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
MynChu NicAtoch	Posted - 2006.05.02 06:20:00 - [54] Edited by: MynChu NicAtoch on 02/05/2006 06:20:52 edit : damn ... posted as BoB alt
Xaarist	Posted - 2006.05.02 06:24:00 - [55] just a little clarification from CHIMP side: 1. CHIMP had CC at blue until CC decided first to introduce a NBSI policy within their space (the doril pipe) and resetting (especially) Shinra to zero standings. Shinra, as part of our allied alliance LV, must not be threatened by any other entity (which counts for all corporations or alliance within the pact), otherwise it will result in a necessary standings adjustment. we did that, but tried to negotiate with CC especially with the help of V to go back to the old blue standings. then came the 2. CC decided to NAP RA, which meant nothing more to us than to enable RA to pass doril unharmed, whereas a possibly chasing allied gang would have been shot at - hence it was interpreted as siding with RA. a CC corp was detected to run a POS in detorid, telling us they were allowed by the former landlords of RA to do so (sponsored by RA). CC turned red on our overviews then, but we never actively brought the fight to them. it was simply unnecessary at that time. 3. after CC decided to attack one of our freighters one day (which survived, same does not count for the engaging CC/VIRII guys) we formed a gang once to go into curse to give them a little warning who they are dealing with (combined with a freighter run again) and tought them a lesson in one of curse's side systems where they had huge losses in a mid-scale fleet battle. since that time, no bigger skirmishes have been reported. CC stay well out of our space and we can live with that. however, their siding with RA in this conflict is not yet forgotten. they chose the wrong side, which should become clearer and clearer to them, too. time will tell how relationship between CC and CHIMP/KOS/LV/V will evolve... ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD...
Mynas Atoch	Posted - 2006.05.02 06:37:00 - [56] Originally by: Raid As for the diplomatic convoy we sent today, the ISS defence force got the message. ... Hello Mum! o/ Look,its me. \o I'm on EVE-O! \o/ I, for one, would like to be the first to welcome our new Curse Coalition overlords. Their fighting prowess is famed throughout their npc station, and they are indubitably, masters of their breakfast table, and all on it they survey. Raid, that's one of the risks of attacking superior numbers in a T1 frigate fleet. Sometimes you meet superior firepower with superior range and superior mobility while stuck in a frigin' bubble. Please come by more often .. that was hilarious.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.05.02 07:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 02/05/2006 02:24:46 Originally by: Jacob Majestic You seem to have left out the parts where we offered you NAP. At least twice. And was turned down. You also left out the part where we banned ISS civilian traffic from your space in Curse. I think at this point the onus is on you to defend your policy of "defending" Curse by flying to Catch and engaging ISS pilots in KDF-GY. Or was the 17-man gank squad you had in KDF earlier tonight on a diplomatic mission? This topic has been beaten to death before. Yes ISS offered us a NAP yes we turned it down.. life goes on welcome to 0.0 space. As for the diplomatic convoy we sent today, the ISS defence force got the message. Wow, that's a lot of frigate kills, did you get any good loot? Quote: Its convenient and fun, im sure IAC had fun today as did we. Life would be boring in 0.0 if everyone was naped with everyone else. ISS aims to develop infrastructure in 0.0. To make it more than sitting on a chokepoint gate, ganking. There are of course, many who would rather shoot at ISS than share our vision. Most of these are relatively honest about it, and don't try and use political rhetoric as flimsy justification. -- We are recruiting We sell Chimeras.
Goodtime Girl	Posted - 2006.05.02 08:41:00 - [58] Quote: You seem to have left out the parts where we offered you NAP. At least twice. And was turned down. You also left out the part where we banned ISS civilian traffic from your space in Curse. I think at this point the onus is on you to defend your policy of "defending" Curse by flying to Catch and engaging ISS pilots in KDF-GY. Or was the 17-man gank squad you had in KDF earlier tonight on a diplomatic mission? /me smiles ..... ISSN/MC firstly go down to Litom and destroy your entire fleet for a single lose (stabber) and then play around with you in T1 frigates and you think its a victory .... lol .... no wonder people / corps are leaving CDC.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.02 08:55:00 - [59] Originally by: Raid This topic has been beaten to death before. Yes ISS offered us a NAP yes we turned it down.. life goes on welcome to 0.0 space. As for the diplomatic convoy we sent today, the ISS defence force got the message. Raid, what do you think you are playing at? You killed a bunch of T1 suicide frigates with basic modules (I think the most valuable ship destroyed was a Rifter). Or you seriously holding this up as some sort of great victory? I think you are losing your grip. We spend pretty much all day roaming Curse in an average sized mixed fleet, finding everyone docked up and smacktalking. At least our guys come out and fight. I've already thanked them for the insurance payments - those suicide frigs run at a healthy profit ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.02 09:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Raid This topic has been beaten to death before. Yes ISS offered us a NAP yes we turned it down.. life goes on welcome to 0.0 space. As for the diplomatic convoy we sent today, the ISS defence force got the message. You telling me you undocked and actually left Doril? OMG where was i? (probably asleep ). Oh and you managed to gank what appears to be a tech1 frig fleet. Congrats, the ISS is now screwed Please, and i beg you, undock when we are there and get something together. I so want to fight Tyrell its not funny but you never come out to play when im there Originally by: Raid Its convenient and fun, im sure IAC had fun today as did we. Life would be boring in 0.0 if everyone was naped with everyone else. Roaming squads that run away from an equivalent force is not fun, its bloody frustrating My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.02 10:31:00 - [61] i resent that ISS haulers getting away now that is frustrating
Tara Read	Posted - 2006.05.02 10:40:00 - [62] Ive never seen so many pilots complain and whine about being shot in 0.0? When did killing in 0.0 become "piracy" Isn't that why CCP made 0.0? So you could shoot people and not worry about concord or security status? Im confused here... If you don't like it, don't come here. Its basic game mechanics. 0.0 = Dangerous; Expect people looking to shoot YOU; not roids or NPC's.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.02 11:03:00 - [63] Originally by: Tara Read Ive never seen so many pilots complain and whine about being shot in 0.0? When did killing in 0.0 become "piracy" Isn't that why CCP made 0.0? So you could shoot people and not worry about concord or security status? Im confused here... If you don't like it, don't come here. Its basic game mechanics. 0.0 = Dangerous; Expect people looking to shoot YOU; not roids or NPC's. No-one has a problem with you shooting people in 0.0 - but making a claim on a entry chokepoint and sniping passing shuttles and haulers is just... lacking in 'panache'. At the end of the day, you guys live in NPC stations next door to empire - and then you attach political messages to your low-end piracy and won't admit the truth: you simply enjoy ganking noobs and haulers. You don't own curse, the NPC's do. And the NPC's have allowed the ISSN to rent a number of offices in strategically important systems. So cut the BS, please, because no-one is buying it. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
patteSatan	Posted - 2006.05.02 11:16:00 - [64] I approve of Butter Dog's comments, and I happen to be a CELTS member, I bawk sometimes.... ============================================ So what?? You killed me?? Clickety I DON'T CARE, GRIEFER
patteSatan	Posted - 2006.05.02 11:18:00 - [65] BAWK!!!! Damn you Fowl ;) Nice to see you around, m8. ============================================ So what?? You killed me?? Clickety I DON'T CARE, GRIEFER
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.02 12:21:00 - [66] Originally by: Butter Dog No-one has a problem with you shooting people in 0.0 - but making a claim on a entry chokepoint and sniping passing shuttles and haulers is just... lacking in 'panache'. At the end of the day, you guys live in NPC stations next door to empire - and then you attach political messages to your low-end piracy and won't admit the truth: you simply enjoy ganking noobs and haulers. You don't own curse, the NPC's do. And the NPC's have allowed the ISSN to rent a number of offices in strategically important systems. So cut the BS, please, because no-one is buying it. We have lived in curse long before the ISS was even dreamed up, you dont know the history here so please, save it. Good, rent as many offices as you like thats what their there for! We dont have a problem with that, expect to get killed a lot however. Welcome to 0.0 stop trying to nap people that dont want to nap you and start working on your ISSN. That frig fleet yesterday may have been worth 2mil isk but you cant put a price on dignity. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.05.02 12:29:00 - [67] To Eyeshadow: Before this started we had great expectations from MC. But it seems our expectations where unfounded, that your reputation was built solely on ganks. So far I have yet too see MC engage in a fair fight even once, every time we get even close to your numbers you safespot or run. We have given you ample opportunity for a fair fight and you have turned it down every time. 2 days ago we really though we would get a fight out of you, 35 MC/ISS vs 25 CC/CDC but no, you had to go and get 10 more before even attempting to engage. The few times you come to curse you always leave within a few min, often running. I have lost all respect I had for MC, of the 3 merc corps ISS has hired against us over time (Battle Angels, Atomic Battle Penguins and MC) your showing so far has been the worst. When word goes out an MC group is incoming I mostly go on NPCing or whatever I do because I know that getting into a combat ship is going to be pointless, you will be gone again in a few min anyway. That's how small effect you currently have on us. To the Chimp guy, it seems you got your info a bit wrong here, yes we had a nap with both you and LV, a nap both of you broke when we naped RA. It was your decision to start fire on us, not the other way around. Both you and RA could have had free passage thru curse (as long as you didnÆt turn it into a battleground). I do know it was a bit chaotic with our standings, itÆs possible that we fired the first shot but we only did so after a mail from one of your directors saying that we where now KOS. We also kept parts of your alliance at positive standings for some time after because they did not agree with the decision to put us at negative. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Velios	Posted - 2006.05.02 12:46:00 - [68] We (LV) had free passage through Curse anyway with or without a NAP from you guys. We hardly break a sweat at the thought of travelling because I fear CC might be there. A friend of RA is certainly no friend of ours, that is why the NAP was broken the moment you (CC) misjudged the situation in truly epic proportions.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:00:00 - [69] Edited by: Eyeshadow on 02/05/2006 13:02:27 Originally by: Hoshi To Eyeshadow: Before this started we had great expectations from MC. But it seems our expectations where unfounded, that your reputation was built solely on ganks. So far I have yet too see MC engage in a fair fight even once, every time we get even close to your numbers you safespot or run. We have given you ample opportunity for a fair fight and you have turned it down every time. 2 days ago we really though we would get a fight out of you, 35 MC/ISS vs 25 CC/CDC but no, you had to go and get 10 more before even attempting to engage. The few times you come to curse you always leave within a few min, often running. I have lost all respect I had for MC, of the 3 merc corps ISS has hired against us over time (Battle Angels, Atomic Battle Penguins and MC) your showing so far has been the worst. When word goes out an MC group is incoming I mostly go on NPCing or whatever I do because I know that getting into a combat ship is going to be pointless, you will be gone again in a few min anyway. That's how small effect you currently have on us. To the Chimp guy, it seems you got your info a bit wrong here, yes we had a nap with both you and LV, a nap both of you broke when we naped RA. It was your decision to start fire on us, not the other way around. Both you and RA could have had free passage thru curse (as long as you didnÆt turn it into a battleground). I do know it was a bit chaotic with our standings, itÆs possible that we fired the first shot but we only did so after a mail from one of your directors saying that we where now KOS. We also kept parts of your alliance at positive standings for some time after because they did not agree with the decision to put us at negative. You sir are the biggest lieing piece of crap i have ever had the misfortune to read a post by We have never ran from a CC "fleet". Infact i have yet to see any kind of resistance from you in Doril and area (though i havent been on much). To try and say we dont engage in fair fights is complete horse crap. we had 35 and you had 25 or sommat? God damn we woulda spanked you from here to next year. If it was the other way round we would have done the same. As i said, i havent seen a CC gang of any note (i have seen some CDC though they have been properly dispatched thus far). When you get a gang together and we run away from it i will come here and say it. Until then, stfu with your bollox. I said at the start of this contract that CC + CDC were pretty much nothing alliances. It goes to prove i was atleast correct about CC. CDC can atleast put a gang together. CC dont even do that and they still try and smack talk. STFU, get a pair of balls, get a gang together and come get us. Lets see what happens Edit: Dont bother coming to us, we will come to you. Why do we leave so quickly usually? Cos theres no one there to shoot at and thats your home system. Says it all about CC really doesnt it? Lived in curse for 2 years? You wouldnt know it by the numbers you have there My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:01:00 - [70] Originally by: Raid We have lived in curse long before the ISS was even dreamed up, you dont know the history here so please, save it. Good, rent as many offices as you like thats what their there for! We dont have a problem with that, expect to get killed a lot however. Welcome to 0.0 stop trying to nap people that dont want to nap you and start working on your ISSN. That frig fleet yesterday may have been worth 2mil isk but you cant put a price on dignity. I know the history of Curse perfectly well and all of my points still stand. We all know what 0.0 is about. The difference is, Raid, that you are attaching political motives to sniping at noobs and haulers. I just don't see the challenge myself. We have Doril under 23/7 surveillance from covert ops, we know exactly what goes on. We see the bubbles, and sniping Tempests taking pot shots, and we see very little else. All anyone is asking for, is for CC to admit what they have become, and stop hiding behind pseudo-political motives which everyone can see right through. Which was the point of the OP's post, I believe, that CC hide behind political motives but won't admit what they really are. Nothing wrong with being pirates, Raid, but at least stand up and admit it. Regarding T1 frig fleets - they are designed to die. Dignity is not at stake here, nor is it an issue. ISK damage is an issue though, one which can ultimately prevent you from PvPing. God forbid. CC continue to lose vastly more ISK than to the ISSN than we ever lose to you. And that ultimately is the mark of success which I, and the rest of the ISSN, use and shall continue to use. I am nothing but proud that they undocked and engaged a force significantly more deadly than them. Learning lessons is infinately more valuable than staying docked and smacktalking - a message you might want to pass on to your own. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:15:00 - [71] Originally by: Bach I certainly can't confirm or deny this guy is a spy. I really don't think he was a spy. Just a trouble maker and non-team oriented player in my opinion. If you see he is applying to your corp I recommend you just walk away from this one. I hate this xenophobia against trouble makers Now, what you say is that people should obey their corp, follow orders, never voice publicly their opinion on official forums, follow ROE and simply be a nice well integrated corp member ? Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:24:00 - [72] Edited by: Seleene on 02/05/2006 13:24:49 Originally by: Hoshi Before this started we had great expectations from MC. But it seems our expectations where unfounded, that your reputation was built solely on ganks. Whose fault is it that we can't seem to find more than a few of you at a time? We can't engage fleets that don't exist. If Doril is CC's "home" system and we can't get a fight there, then tell me where we can? If we went to Great Wildlands, there is no way that -V- would let us waltz through thier 'territory' the way CC does. If we went to Feyth, I'm sure that ASCN would give us a very warm reception. At least CDC seems interested in a good scrap sometimes, but I'd expect that from them anyway. Try this - put the POS towers back up in Doril that you removed one night before our war with you went live and you'll get far more than you 'expect'. In fact, set up any static installation while we remain under contract with ISS and see how long it takes us to respond. Lastly, we're not interested only in killing you. That's not our mandate. The day you sign my paycheck is when your opinion matters. So long as our client is satisfied, your opinion of us means very little. - History of the MC movie!
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 02/05/2006 13:24:49 Originally by: Hoshi Before this started we had great expectations from MC. But it seems our expectations where unfounded, that your reputation was built solely on ganks. Whose fault is it that we can't seem to find more than a few of you at a time? We can't engage fleets that don't exist. If Doril is CC's "home" system and we can't get a fight there, then tell me where we can? If we went to Great Wildlands, there is no way that -V- would let us waltz through thier 'territory' the way CC does. If we went to Feyth, I'm sure that ASCN would give us a very warm reception. At least CDC seems interested in a good scrap sometimes, but I'd expect that from them anyway. Try this - put the POS towers back up in Doril that you removed one night before our war with you went live and you'll get far more than you 'expect'. In fact, set up any static installation while we remain under contract with ISS and see how long it takes us to respond. Lastly, we're not interested only in killing you. That's not our mandate. The day you sign my paycheck is when your opinion matters. So long as our client is satisfied, your opinion of us means very little. How can they not be satisfied according to ISS we just sit in stations and dont lose a massive amounts of ships .. according to that we should all be flying t1 frigs and dying horribly
Touk	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:53:00 - [74] Edited by: Touk on 02/05/2006 13:55:51 yes we had a nap with both you and LV, a nap both of you broke when we naped RA. I do know it was a bit chaotic with our standings, itÆs possible that we fired the first shot anyone else find him to be contradicting himself?....
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:55:00 - [75] Originally by: Eyeshadow You sir are the biggest lieing piece of crap i have ever had the misfortune to read a post by We have never ran from a CC "fleet". Infact i have yet to see any kind of resistance from you in Doril and area (though i havent been on much). To try and say we dont engage in fair fights is complete horse crap. we had 35 and you had 25 or sommat? God damn we woulda spanked you from here to next year. If it was the other way round we would have done the same. Fact of the matter is you did NOT engage, you sat at your safespot while we waited for you at the gate in the next system. After a while we got bored waiting and headed for HED-GP. As soon as your scouts reported back that we had moved out (we where between you and KDF) you left your safe and headed for KDF where you picked up 10 more battleship pilots. This is FACT and it's not the first time it has happend. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:56:00 - [76] Originally by: Velios We (LV) had free passage through Curse anyway with or without a NAP from you guys. We hardly break a sweat at the thought of travelling because I fear CC might be there. A friend of RA is certainly no friend of ours, that is why the NAP was broken the moment you (CC) misjudged the situation in truly epic proportions. In all fairness we did set LV to neutral before we set RA to positive. The reasons for this were explained to V and Chimp who did nothing but order us to set LV to positive. When we refused our closest friends set us in turn to neutral. One thing about war, it shows you who you friends really are. We would never have stabed V in the back.. NEVER.. We have never worked along side RA against LV/Chimp/V/KOS, we simply set them to positive so we wouldnt have to worry about them inside of curse. It took some convincing but they did indeed nap us. I have respect for RA because they know how to stand on their own, even in the face of impossible odds they remain indipendant. Butter, bring out the frig squads fine, but thats not definetly not the best way to train your pilots. Your pilots wont get a better training oportunity then right here against us. We would love a standup fight with you guys or even IAC. Stop treating this as a win/lose situation and take advantage of the oportunity to train your pilots properly. Despite what you think we dont want you guys gone, you bring additional pvp to the area. If you want your ISSN to be able to defend your areas properly stop putting them in t1 frig squads and start making use of their skills! Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:58:00 - [77] Edited by: Raid on 02/05/2006 13:58:21 Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Eyeshadow You sir are the biggest lieing piece of crap i have ever had the misfortune to read a post by We have never ran from a CC "fleet". Infact i have yet to see any kind of resistance from you in Doril and area (though i havent been on much). To try and say we dont engage in fair fights is complete horse crap. we had 35 and you had 25 or sommat? God damn we woulda spanked you from here to next year. If it was the other way round we would have done the same. Fact of the matter is you did NOT engage, you sat at your safespot while we waited for you at the gate in the next system. After a while we got bored waiting and headed for HED-GP. As soon as your scouts reported back that we had moved out (we where between you and KDF) you left your safe and headed for KDF where you picked up 10 more battleship pilots. This is FACT and it's not the first time it has happend. It was actually 11 MC and aprox 25-30 ISS which is probably why it never happened. No matter, we stayed away from the blob and managed to have fun around HED. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:09:00 - [78] Edited by: Butter Dog on 02/05/2006 14:13:26 Originally by: Raid Butter, bring out the frig squads fine, but thats not definetly not the best way to train your pilots. Your pilots wont get a better training oportunity then right here against us. We would love a standup fight with you guys or even IAC. Stop treating this as a win/lose situation and take advantage of the oportunity to train your pilots properly. Despite what you think we dont want you guys gone, you bring additional pvp to the area. If you want your ISSN to be able to defend your areas properly stop putting them in t1 frig squads and start making use of their skills! They make the judgement call, not me. They probably evaluated the situation, decided they couldnt win with more expensive ships regardless, so brought out the T1 frigs instead. Good move, I say. The PvP noobs we have benefit enourmously from these experiences, and at no cost to us. The fundamentals of 0.0 PvP can be learnt inside any ship c.ockpit. I don't think CC have yet fought a 'full strength' ISSN fleet. I'm sure it will happen sooner or later though. For now, we're saving our energies for the outpost deployments. You'll get your turn. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Evelgrivion	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:14:00 - [79] I can understand your want to have PVP, but choking stargates is, IMO, taking it too far. If you want to PVP, let the newbies make the foolish mistake of going into low sec asteroid belts on their own - dont camp the gates where theyre just trying to travel, as thats just a low blow. As for yesterday, I was WONDERING why there were a bunch of guys around there in Heyd. On another note, player killing is one thing - extortion is another. And the IAC doesnt like piracy - as ransoming a ship is piracy to the highest degree.
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:15:00 - [80] Originally by: Butter Dog I don't think CC have yet fought a 'full strength' ISSN fleet. I'm sure it will happen sooner or later though. For now, we're saving our energies for the outpost deployments. You'll get your turn. Excellent let us know when and where. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:20:00 - [81] Originally by: Evelgrivion On another note, player killing is one thing - extortion is another. And the IAC doesnt like piracy - as ransoming a ship is piracy to the highest degree. Its is not our policy to ransom neutrals (anywhere in eve). Its also not our policy to shoot neutrals in 0.1 to 0.4 systems. It does still happen sometimes, despite my best efforts, and we deal with it acordingly. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Evelgrivion	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:26:00 - [82] Originally by: Raid Its is not our policy to ransom neutrals (anywhere in eve). Its also not our policy to shoot neutrals in 0.1 to 0.4 systems. It does still happen sometimes, despite my best efforts, and we deal with it acordingly. Im glad to hear that your policy is like that. However, your objective of allowing PVPing to continue as normal is preventing corporations and alliances like the IAC from cleaning out some of the worst scum from these regions - Player killing is one thing - trying to extort them is another.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:28:00 - [83] Originally by: Raid It was actually 11 MC and aprox 25-30 ISS which is probably why it never happened. No matter, we stayed away from the blob and managed to have fun around HED. The MC mostly have very little dealing with ISS. We are a seperate entity and run our combat ops alone. The fact that there was ISS in local doesnt mean we were flying with them, if we even knew they were there. We probably saw 25 targets and only had 11, so we went to get some more to even the numbers up That is not running away from you. I still dont know when this was as i heard nothing about it, but saying 35 MC ran away from 25 CC is complete rubbish. We'd engage 35 CC with 25 of us any day (just ask veritas, we thought them loads of times outnumbered) My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:30:00 - [84] Originally by: Evelgrivion Originally by: Raid Its is not our policy to ransom neutrals (anywhere in eve). Its also not our policy to shoot neutrals in 0.1 to 0.4 systems. It does still happen sometimes, despite my best efforts, and we deal with it acordingly. Im glad to hear that your policy is like that. However, your objective of allowing PVPing to continue as normal is preventing corporations and alliances like the IAC from cleaning out some of the worst scum from these regions - Player killing is one thing - trying to extort them is another. Wait what? Explain that differently cuz i didnt understand that. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Gypsy Djinn	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:36:00 - [85] Let me begin by stating this is a CC thread, not a cDc one, there seems to be some confusion as to that fact. cDc have nothing but respect for Mercenary Coalition, their reputation is earned and well deserved, they are a professional PvP outfit from top to bottom and quite frankly it is ludicrous to try and suggest that they are anything but. We enjoy the opportunities that we get to test our mettle against them and our only regret is that to this point we have been disappointed with our own performance. In fairness we should also state that we believe that ISSN has made progress in leaps and bounds in their own PvP, and while we also believe that they are still at a sub-par level compared to many PvP outfits, they have become quite sufficient for an industrial organization that operates in 0.0. I would like to think that we had a small part in the training of their pilots to better withstand the rigors of 0.0 Our current hostilities toward IAC have nothing to do with ISS or MC, those pilots have no one to blame but their own leader, who through his rude and contemptuous behavior toward us brought on the war. A cease to your pilots dying is as simple as him making reparations for his own downfalls. Until that time you will continue to feel that pressure where ever we can find your pilots. With concern to -V-/LV/CHIMP and whoever else I don't see where they even fit into this thread as they are not in the area and have no bearing on any current politics and/or hostilities. As far as the boastful posts that mentioned cDc I can only assume that those were made in error and were meant to be directed toward CC as cDc's record against these alliances speaks for itself. Please take this as the official cDc response to this thread, no one else speaks for us and any mention of our alliance by a non-cDc pilot be it friendly or hostile should be taken as that pilots personal beliefs and not our official stance or policy. cDc does not condone fighting battles in the forums, we prefer to speak our position in-game, others obviously do not feel this way, which is their right. cDc HeadQuarters http://cdc.kicks-ass.org/ V I R I I - We Are Here For Your Daughters
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:41:00 - [86] Originally by: Eyeshadow The MC mostly have very little dealing with ISS. We are a seperate entity and run our combat ops alone. The fact that there was ISS in local doesnt mean we were flying with them, if we even knew they were there. We probably saw 25 targets and only had 11, so we went to get some more to even the numbers up From the look of it they were flying side by side with ISS so we considered it the same gang. The reinforcments were not MC they were ISS. Originally by: Eyeshadow That is not running away from you. I still dont know when this was as i heard nothing about it, but saying 35 MC ran away from 25 CC is complete rubbish. We'd engage 35 CC with 25 of us any day (just ask veritas, we thought them loads of times outnumbered) I dont need to ask veritas we were in V at the time. I corrected the numbers to reflect things more acuratly. MC accounted for 11 of the 40 something ships. We withdrew towards and was chased by all enemy ships (even an IAC fleet came to join in.. at one point local in QSM was up to 60 something. (we were not in local this was MC, ISS, IAC). The MC did break off from the group and made their way towards HED-GP after we withdrew towards U-Q. Thats what really happened. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:47:00 - [87] Thats fair enough. The 11 or so MC that were there probably did not feel confident enough to engage you with unknowns flying in our gang. The MC is an extremely tight nit group of players. Everyone knows everyone. We dont like to fly with people outside the MC very often. Infact i think the FOE war was the one and only time we did it on any scale during a contract That will probably explain why the MC pilots backed away from the area but i wasnt there so i cant say for sure. My point still stands that we would NEVER run away from a 25 man fleet when we have 35 and saying so is the fastest way to yank my chain My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.05.02 15:43:00 - [88] Originally by: Gypsy Djinn Our current hostilities toward IAC have nothing to do with ISS or MC, those pilots have no one to blame but their own leader, who through his rude and contemptuous behavior toward us brought on the war. A cease to your pilots dying is as simple as him making reparations for his own downfalls. Until that time you will continue to feel that pressure where ever we can find your pilots. There has been a de-facto state of war with cDc since before I joined, long before any Concord-endorsed declaration. I would not be surprised if that remains the case... ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.05.02 15:48:00 - [89] Major Ganksta = Stalker. Why is that people often have to moan on the forums about corporations or alliances they did not enjoy being in, who did not enjoying having him/her and said person no longer a member off? Grow up and move on, 0.0 alliances kill people... big deal... ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Chowdown	Posted - 2006.05.02 16:58:00 - [90] Originally by: Raid In all fairness we did set LV to neutral before we set RA to positive. The reasons for this were explained to V and Chimp who did nothing but order us to set LV to positive. When we refused our closest friends set us in turn to neutral. One thing about war, it shows you who you friends really are. We would never have stabed V in the back.. NEVER.. V did not stab you in the back, you made an ill informed political decision. You simply left V and CHIMP with no option through through illinformed decisions, and not being aware of the bigger picture. Quote: We have never worked along side RA against LV/Chimp/V/KOS, we simply set them to positive so we wouldnt have to worry about them inside of curse. It took some convincing but they did indeed nap us. I have respect for RA because they know how to stand on their own, even in the face of impossible odds they remain indipendant. Unfortunatley you don't appear to have to worry about them much inside curse anymore, and they are not doing particually well at remaining independent. For your information the previously HUGE member count, should not of found it impossible odds. Originally by: Ginger Magician They always have been lamers and dishonourable pvpers.
Lord Cyric	Posted - 2006.05.02 17:14:00 - [91] Originally by: Goodtime Girl /me smiles ..... ISSN/MC firstly go down to Litom and destroy your entire fleet for a single lose (stabber) and then play around with you in T1 frigates and you think its a victory .... lol .... no wonder people / corps are leaving CDC. First you're a tool, first, CDC has lost no corps, and in fact have added corps in the last 3 months. Secondly, to my knowledge only 1 member has left in the last month or so because he wanted to go pirate. Thirdly, the fight (at least the one I was involved in which we lost and only killed a stabber) was in 1P, not Litom. I was fortunate enough to only have 4 guys on my killmail, out of roughtly 10-15, and the 4 ships they were in could have taken out our entire group of like 10 guys (we were mainly in tech 1 cruisers). I fail to believe you are relevant enough to be any one of those guys (with the exception of maybe Mongo) so to insinuate there was some significance or skill to that fight at all is laughable. It is quite entertaining though. Velios, of course if LV assemble their fleet they can roll through curse anytime you want. You are in an alliance of 1400 people, that is nearly 4 times the size of CC and CDC COMBINED! I play for fun, to PVP, and a challenge. Apparently judging from your claims and your past, you play to gang up on people with 4-1 odds and brag about your greatness on the public forums. Congrats though, to each their own.
semp	Posted - 2006.05.02 17:22:00 - [92] Major Ganksta has now traded his char for another by the name of Neusa. Neusa has been a member of M. Corp for less than a day.
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.02 17:36:00 - [93] Originally by: semp Major Ganksta has now traded his char for another by the name of Neusa. Neusa has been a member of M. Corp for less than a day. Thanks Eve-Search! Linkage Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.02 17:48:00 - [94] Ok guys, calm down! I just want to know one thing, where the hell was I when this fleet of 40-60 ppl were trying to get in a fight? >.< /LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
DogTyred	Posted - 2006.05.02 18:02:00 - [95] I must say I can only echo gypsy's view of MC. A good bunch, highly motivated and very profesional, and I would put even numbers of them up against any group in the game. They have always played with good humour and respect to my knowledge. If I were the type to hire Mercs I would have no problems going to these guys, not that I could afford them of course :). Can I collect my bottle of bubbly for the testimonial now ?
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2006.05.02 19:04:00 - [96] Originally by: Lowa Ok guys, calm down! I just want to know one thing, where the hell was I when this fleet of 40-60 ppl were trying to get in a fight? >.< Well, since you asked, you were in the safespot cybering with Ikvar.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.02 19:05:00 - [97] Dear Baghdad Butter Bob, I think you better go back and check you calculator, as its batteries must be low if you believe you are winning the isk war. I'm guessing your pilots are not properly reporting their deaths. It happens. Frankly, you can come into Doril and kill whole flocks of ships and still not be winning the isk war, not when you continue to hire mercs to fight your battles or to protect you. I understand MC is one of the most expensive merc corps you can hire. As they should be, because they are one of the best. Still the ISSN is getting better. There can be no doubt about that. After you guys hired the BA I used to go down and hunt in KDF alone. I'd get kill after kill. Not anymore. As soon as I show up, 100+ ships suddenly undock and try to kill little-ol-me in my celestis. I miss the old 1-v-1/2/3 days. As for the current situation; Baghdad Butter Bob, you can spout all the propaganda you want. You have no one else to blame for your current situation but yourself and your corp. This time last year the CC and CDC were clawing at each other tooth-and-nail. We hated each other. At that time, I had never even heard of KDF. But I was still fairly new. Suddenly, the merc corp, battle angles, were attacking CC AND CDC. Had you sent them after just one of the two groups, we may still have been battling each other and you could have set back and got rich by selling arms to both sides. Instead you made a tactical blunder that is haunting you to this day. You forced the CC and CDC to talk and join forces and come together to fight a common enemy. Now we actually like it each. You then hired Atomic Battle Penguins and now MC and you wonder why we continue to shoot you. As for the MC. I for one will not fight the MC. I am not going to fight a group that if they lose a ship get it replaced. You cann't win in that situation. Not when if I lose, no one replaces my ship but me. If the MC come into Doril, I will dock, log on my alt in empire and start hunting ISS.
Gaul Cascade	Posted - 2006.05.02 20:12:00 - [98] Edited by: Gaul Cascade on 02/05/2006 20:13:23 First of all, not posting as a ISSN member, just a post, nothing more, nothing less. Originally by: Wwhisper I miss the old 1-v-1/2/3 days. Weird as it may sound, so do I, altho I usually lost horribly Originally by: Wwhisper I think you better go back and check you calculator, as its batteries must be low if you believe you are winning the isk war. Originally by: Wwhisper I for one will not fight the MC. I am not going to fight a group that if they lose a ship get it replaced. You cann't win in that situation. Not when if I lose, no one replaces my ship but me. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Cascade ááááááááiss NAVY
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.02 20:26:00 - [99] Originally by: Wwhisper As for the MC. I for one will not fight the MC. I am not going to fight a group that if they lose a ship get it replaced. You cann't win in that situation. Not when if I lose, no one replaces my ship but me. If the MC come into Doril, I will dock, log on my alt in empire and start hunting ISS. Yeah, kinda wondering what you mean? Ofc it gets replaced, by buying/building a new ship. As the rest of EVE does, as I imagine you do too? Are you leaning towards something else here? I sincerely hope you are not. If you are not leaning towards what I think you just did I honestly dont know what to say to you. Wont fight someone that can replace losses? Seriously? CDC, thank you for your replies so far. My regards to you all. bows Cheers, LOWA ps. I did not "cyber" with Ikvar. Its is true love I tell you! You wouldnt understand... NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.02 21:17:00 - [100] Yeah, kinda wondering what you mean? Ofc it gets replaced, by buying/building a new ship. As the rest of EVE does, as I imagine you do too? Are you leaning towards something else here? I sincerely hope you are not. If you are not leaning towards what I think you just did I honestly dont know what to say to you. Wont fight someone that can replace losses? Seriously? CDC, thank you for your replies so far. My regards to you all. bows Cheers, LOWA ps. I did not "cyber" with Ikvar. Its is true love I tell you! You wouldnt understand... Lowa, Stop playing stupid, it doesn't become a member of the MC. It's common knowledge that when the MC loses a ship, those that hired them replace the ship. Why should I fight you on those terms. After your contact is up, come on back. I'll more than gladly fight you. Until then have fun without me. Ralph
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2006.05.02 21:54:00 - [101] Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 02/05/2006 21:54:35 Originally by: Wwhisper Stop playing stupid, it doesn't become a member of the MC. It's common knowledge that when the MC loses a ship, those that hired them replace the ship. Why should I fight you on those terms. After your contact is up, come on back. I'll more than gladly fight you. Until then have fun without me. That would explain why we like to fly those expensive faction ships, but rest assured, it's not that. It's purely because we're a bit c.o.cky and entirely crazy.
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.02 22:21:00 - [102] Originally by: Wwhisper Lowa, Stop playing stupid, it doesn't become a member of the MC. It's common knowledge that when the MC loses a ship, those that hired them replace the ship. Why should I fight you on those terms. After your contact is up, come on back. I'll more than gladly fight you. Until then have fun without me. Ralph Dear Wwhisper-Ralph, I will now tell you something and I want you to listen. MC does NOT get replecment ships from clients. We may have been payed in ships but to be honest I have no knowledge of such things.I sure as hell have never received a ship after a lost fight, only a set of miner II's. Now, trust me or not, but call me a liar and you shall see how much credit I have compared to you in this our home and universe. And dont wish for things you really dont want to have happen. Sincerely, LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2006.05.02 22:38:00 - [103] thinks thread is in desperate need of man love, calls Mongo Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.02 22:47:00 - [104] Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Wwhisper Lowa, Stop playing stupid, it doesn't become a member of the MC. It's common knowledge that when the MC loses a ship, those that hired them replace the ship. Why should I fight you on those terms. After your contact is up, come on back. I'll more than gladly fight you. Until then have fun without me. Ralph Dear Wwhisper-Ralph, I will now tell you something and I want you to listen. MC does NOT get replecment ships from clients. We may have been payed in ships but to be honest I have no knowledge of such things.I sure as hell have never received a ship after a lost fight, only a set of miner II's. Now, trust me or not, but call me a liar and you shall see how much credit I have compared to you in this our home and universe. And dont wish for things you really dont want to have happen. Sincerely, LOWA Dear LOWA, Please go back and read my post. I did not call you a lier. I called you stupid. If you're gonna get upset at something, than at least get it right. 'Gets paid in ships or gets replacements a rose by any other name is still replacement ship.' And it still equals the same thing. I do not fight mercs. I go after those that pay the mercs. Ralph
Klezz	Posted - 2006.05.02 23:48:00 - [105] Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Wwhisper Lowa, Stop playing stupid, it doesn't become a member of the MC. It's common knowledge that when the MC loses a ship, those that hired them replace the ship. Why should I fight you on those terms. After your contact is up, come on back. I'll more than gladly fight you. Until then have fun without me. Ralph Dear Wwhisper-Ralph, I will now tell you something and I want you to listen. MC does NOT get replecment ships from clients. We may have been payed in ships but to be honest I have no knowledge of such things.I sure as hell have never received a ship after a lost fight, only a set of miner II's. Now, trust me or not, but call me a liar and you shall see how much credit I have compared to you in this our home and universe. And dont wish for things you really dont want to have happen. Sincerely, LOWA Dear LOWA, Please go back and read my post. I did not call you a lier. I called you stupid. If you're gonna get upset at something, than at least get it right. 'Gets paid in ships or gets replacements a rose by any other name is still replacement ship.' And it still equals the same thing. I do not fight mercs. I go after those that pay the mercs. Ralph Klezz.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.05.03 02:07:00 - [106] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 03/05/2006 02:13:48 Originally by: Butter Dog No-one has a problem with you shooting people in 0.0 - but making a claim on a entry chokepoint and sniping passing shuttles and haulers is just... lacking in 'panache'. At the end of the day, you guys live in NPC stations next door to empire - and then you attach political messages to your low-end piracy and won't admit the truth: you simply enjoy ganking noobs and haulers. You don't own curse, the NPC's do. And the NPC's have allowed the ISSN to rent a number of offices in strategically important systems. So cut the BS, please, because no-one is buying it. Although we have some trouble with CC at the moment, personally I wonder since when people have to justify that they claim a npc region and use NBSI policy ? I'm quite sure CA have done that. HED-GP was always hot, 5 have done that, V does it ... If people catch you without standings, you get shot, no matter if you only want to pass through. The only difference is maybe that other alliances are more diplomatic and set more people to blue. Nevertheless most alliances shoot at unknown neutral corps and won't give them positive standing for free, because they just don't care. It's a fact. I mean I'm not against free space, but I don't see that CC are evil gankers in contrast to other alliances, who are generally nice to new people in 0.0. Most alliances aren't nice to neutral travellers and I guess chokepoints are camped and corridors patrolled since they exist. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2006.05.03 04:58:00 - [107] Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Wwhisper Lowa, Stop playing stupid, it doesn't become a member of the MC. It's common knowledge that when the MC loses a ship, those that hired them replace the ship. Why should I fight you on those terms. After your contact is up, come on back. I'll more than gladly fight you. Until then have fun without me. Ralph /emote looks around and wonders why we have all these bpos.... Dear Wwhisper-Ralph, I will now tell you something and I want you to listen. MC does NOT get replecment ships from clients. We may have been payed in ships but to be honest I have no knowledge of such things.I sure as hell have never received a ship after a lost fight, only a set of miner II's. Now, trust me or not, but call me a liar and you shall see how much credit I have compared to you in this our home and universe. And dont wish for things you really dont want to have happen. Sincerely, LOWA Dear LOWA, Please go back and read my post. I did not call you a lier. I called you stupid. If you're gonna get upset at something, than at least get it right. 'Gets paid in ships or gets replacements a rose by any other name is still replacement ship.' And it still equals the same thing. I do not fight mercs. I go after those that pay the mercs. Ralph We get replacement ships from our contractors??? When why was i never informed of this??? And why the hell do we own all these bpos if everything is provided for us??? OH thats right. Maybe you need need to buy a clue. Im sure there are plenty of people out there who can sell you one. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Farjung	Posted - 2006.05.03 07:59:00 - [108] Edited by: Farjung on 03/05/2006 07:59:32 Originally by: Wwhisper As for the MC. I for one will not fight the MC. I am not going to fight a group that if they lose a ship get it replaced. You cann't win in that situation. Not when if I lose, no one replaces my ship but me. If the MC come into Doril, I will dock, log on my alt in empire and start hunting ISS. Haha, I sure hope ISS will cough up for my vindicator when it gets popped then. --- Reckless Wave of Mutilation
Lord Wimbishi	Posted - 2006.05.03 08:16:00 - [109] Originally by: Major Ganksta LOL and thats why until I stopped fighting cause it was immoral I was ranked #7 on your kill boards. Raid your post doesn't really warrent a reply but here it is. I gave your pirate alliance a fair swing before I found out you were just a pirate alliance with no goals that benefit the EVE community as a whole. Then I left and voiced my opinion to the people that really matter... the community. Commendable. You would fit in well with my alliance. If you are interested, Contact me in game. I like your sense of morality and honor.
Hehulk	Posted - 2006.05.03 09:57:00 - [110] Originally by: Wwhisper As for the MC. I for one will not fight the MC. I am not going to fight a group that if they lose a ship get it replaced. You cann't win in that situation. Not when if I lose, no one replaces my ship but me. If the MC come into Doril, I will dock, log on my alt in empire and start hunting ISS. So, you beef with fighting the MC isn't that they're good, it's that they have a ship replacement program? I though your propraganda went that we're funding your losses, so CC losses ment nothing because as long as we're around, you'll keep getting replacement ships? ---------- Please choose one signature image, as per the forum rules. - Teblin
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 10:03:00 - [111] Yes Wwhisper, I did enjoy the old fights. They were good fun and as you say normally fairly evenly matched. There's nothing like a good old fashioned cruiser 1v1 - sure beats blob wars. But all good things must come to an end, and now KDF is secure for neutral traffic 99% of the time - it takes a well supported fleet to mess things up in KDF these days. The market is definately better than it used to be and KDF is always busy. Thats a good thing for the outpost, and a good thing for ISS shareholders. And, its nice to see life thriving in a system which didn't previously have a station. I find this kind of player-driven content compelling. Its what makes this game so good. With the addition of the IAC refinery outpost and soon the Marginis II factory outpost, this little corner of Catch is becoming quite a good place to live. And its all down to us, the players - in gaming terms, its a real achievement. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.03 11:03:00 - [112] Edited by: Eyeshadow on 03/05/2006 11:03:54 The MC has never been paid in ships by a client, nor have we ever asked or had a ship lost in combat replaced by a client We have been paid in minerals and other goodies, but ships has never been one of them. Why? The MC consists of 4 corps. Dividing ships up amongst the corps is not something we want to do Now, you can either accept that as the truth, because thats what it is, or you can believe whatever you want to believe. The only people outside the MC that know what we cost/what they paid is the clients. My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 13:28:00 - [113] Forgive me if i'm mistaken, but I think what Wwhisper is trying to convey is that no one is paying us to fight MC. Although MC may not have been paid in replacement ships or whatever they WERE paid. That i'm sure has a trickle down effect and every member of the alliance gets some portion of the fee paid. So in essence you fellas have a lot less to lose with this war. We can attack you but you've been paid to take losses. Whereas ISS have not. They were the ones paying the tab and if we hit them, it strikes with twice the force as they paid for you and are now losing ships in a war as well. The idea of a merc corp is to pay to have a battle fought for you by a superior corp. MC is just that, a fine battle corp. We went around you and brought the battle back to them. Sad to see our corp get flamed by Major Ganksta. I've flown with him before and he seemed nice. I was nothing but respectful to him and then he singles out TYC and BGBR in this little piece of flame bait. Then he takes the chicken way out, trades his account and slips into the abyss. What a slimy thing to do.
Xaarist	Posted - 2006.05.03 13:35:00 - [114] Edited by: Xaarist on 03/05/2006 13:35:37 message to hoshi: sort your times correct. you are referring to an incident between blackguard brigade and GE, from a time when GE was not in chimp yet (can't remember if Blackguard Brigade was CC yet). it was solved and we were at blue afterwards. please do not tell me anything about the talks i referred to, since i was in them, and you were not. ask your alliance leader about the log if you are unsure, it will tell the truth. we do have fraps of at least two camps in Doril with CC and RA side by side from that time. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD...
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:02:00 - [115] Originally by: Keldareth So in essence you fellas have a lot less to lose with this war. We can attack you but you've been paid to take losses. Whereas ISS have not. They were the ones paying the tab and if we hit them, it strikes with twice the force as they paid for you and are now losing ships in a war as well. And you have no doubt since learned that its very, very hard to inflict any real damage against the ISS in an Empire war, due to the dispursed nature of the alliance. Its business as usual for the ISS from our perspecive - operating in a state of empire war is normal for us. CC's wardec in that respect is nothing special and it doesnt really hurt the ISS. And as you have recalled your main forces back to Curse, where you gank ISS ships anyway, its just business as usual for all concerned. Also, CC members in this thread seem to be consistently forgetting that MC were not paid to just wardec you. They were paid to assist us in protecting our outpost construction over the coming weeks. That is the contract. They wardecced CC because they knew you were -10 to us, and they wanted some fun. That was their choice. They are free to play with our -10 list as they wish, its a mere sideshow so don't flatter yourself thinking all that money went to MC just to wardec you. CC are the light entertainment in an otherwise somewhat dull outpost deployment schedule. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:03:00 - [116] Originally by: Xaarist we do have fraps of at least two camps in Doril with CC and RA side by side from that time. Show them to me... Our policy has always been no one sets up camps in doril but allied corps. If RA was camping the gate they are asked to leave. Show me the fraps please. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:23:00 - [117] Originally by: Hehulk Originally by: Wwhisper As for the MC. I for one will not fight the MC. I am not going to fight a group that if they lose a ship get it replaced. You cann't win in that situation. Not when if I lose, no one replaces my ship but me. If the MC come into Doril, I will dock, log on my alt in empire and start hunting ISS. So, you beef with fighting the MC isn't that they're good, it's that they have a ship replacement program? I though your propraganda went that we're funding your losses, so CC losses ment nothing because as long as we're around, you'll keep getting replacement ships? HeHulk, If you're going to get into the arguement, at least write something that makes since. Thank you. Ralph
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:25:00 - [118] Originally by: Keldareth Forgive me if i'm mistaken, but I think what Wwhisper is trying to convey is that no one is paying us to fight MC. Although MC may not have been paid in replacement ships or whatever they WERE paid. That i'm sure has a trickle down effect and every member of the alliance gets some portion of the fee paid. So in essence you fellas have a lot less to lose with this war. We can attack you but you've been paid to take losses. Whereas ISS have not. They were the ones paying the tab and if we hit them, it strikes with twice the force as they paid for you and are now losing ships in a war as well. The idea of a merc corp is to pay to have a battle fought for you by a superior corp. MC is just that, a fine battle corp. We went around you and brought the battle back to them. Sad to see our corp get flamed by Major Ganksta. I've flown with him before and he seemed nice. I was nothing but respectful to him and then he singles out TYC and BGBR in this little piece of flame bait. Then he takes the chicken way out, trades his account and slips into the abyss. What a slimy thing to do. Hmmm i can see your point, to an extent. Without going in to the fine details of how the MC is run isk wise (in fact all 4 corps are completely different) its hard to explain that the payment we have for contracts isnt all that much (really, it isnt). And its rare you will find an MC member not in a tech2 fitted tech2 ship (HACs mostly) unless its in a faction kitted tech2 ship or faction kitted faction ship. Saying we have nothing to lose is wrong. We have a lot to lose. We fly the most expensive ships with the most expensive equipment. However, we are the best at what we do () and this allows us to fly the ships we do. We do lose HACs and faction stuff sometimes though so you can inflict some loss on us My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:31:00 - [119] I didn't say you suffer NO losses, just they likely hurt less than ours. If we lose a T2 fitted HAC it's a full isk loss. When you lose a ship on a contracted hit, you've already recieved some incentive to put that ship in the line of fire. Know what i'm saying m8?
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:41:00 - [120] Originally by: Raid Originally by: Xaarist we do have fraps of at least two camps in Doril with CC and RA side by side from that time. Show them to me... Our policy has always been no one sets up camps in doril but allied corps. If RA was camping the gate they are asked to leave. Show me the fraps please. I can tell you right now, that if RA comes into the area, they are given a certain amount of time before they are asked to leave. If I'm there it's usually just a couple of minutes. You may have caught them at the gate waiting for some of their friends, but I can tell you this, just like Shinra, I wont allow the RA to hang at the gate. I've told them several times to move along or be destroyed. Since CC often fields new members, its possible that some of the newer players seeing the + may have allowed them to camp. If so, it will be delt with. But as Raid requested, please send the fraps along - if it actually exists. I'm guessing it doesn't. I'm guessing it's just another attmpet to smear the CC's name, which as we can see from the spy Major Gansta that some corps will go to great lengths to do. Oh yea, and DID we mention that Major Gansta traded his character for another character and joined the same corp Shinra is in? It's unbelivable what lenghts some of you will go to to through garbage at someone. The fact that this guys came into a corp to spy and then comes onto a public board in an In-Character forum to slander the corp and throw personnel attacks at people says a lot about this person and the corp he spied for - and none of it is good. Ralph
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:54:00 - [121] Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Wwhisper Lowa, Stop playing stupid, it doesn't become a member of the MC. It's common knowledge that when the MC loses a ship, those that hired them replace the ship. Why should I fight you on those terms. After your contact is up, come on back. I'll more than gladly fight you. Until then have fun without me. Ralph Dear Wwhisper-Ralph, I will now tell you something and I want you to listen. MC does NOT get replecment ships from clients. We may have been payed in ships but to be honest I have no knowledge of such things.I sure as hell have never received a ship after a lost fight, only a set of miner II's. Now, trust me or not, but call me a liar and you shall see how much credit I have compared to you in this our home and universe. And dont wish for things you really dont want to have happen. Sincerely, LOWA Dear LOWA, Please go back and read my post. I did not call you a lier. I called you stupid. If you're gonna get upset at something, than at least get it right. 'Gets paid in ships or gets replacements a rose by any other name is still replacement ship.' And it still equals the same thing. I do not fight mercs. I go after those that pay the mercs. Ralph Ralph, So what you are saying is that if you encounter an enemy that have the founds to replace ships with ease and run a prolonged war you wont fight them because you cant win? You have just offended your entire alliance by saying that you are so poor that you can not fight an enemy that has a solid economy behind it and that cant be right?! And dont come and say that you fight ISS because they are not a unified alliance or corp in that aspect and both you and them know that they are not the best fighting force in EVE right now. They are climbing the ladder fast though if I am to believe some posts in here. What would you do if D2 or ERA or any other alliance with a mighty ISK-backbone showed up and moved in? Regards, LOWA Lowa, he's saying 2 things: 1. A Merc's has a job to do. If the job is to kill you then avoiding the merc means he cant do his job properly. 2. ISK gained from a contract is used to fuel the war machine. A ship lost is in some form paid by the clients, so long as there are clients there will be materials to fuel the war machine. Hence the idea in step #1 to eliminate the advantage of the merc so the client can no longer justify hiring the merc. Dont read more into the situation that the above. This is the theory in merc warfare, shoot the client not the merc. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 14:58:00 - [122] Ralph Ralph, So what you are saying is that if you encounter an enemy that have the founds to replace ships with ease and run a prolonged war you wont fight them because you cant win? You have just offended your entire alliance by saying that you are so poor that you can not fight an enemy that has a solid economy behind it and that cant be right?! And dont come and say that you fight ISS because they are not a unified alliance or corp in that aspect and both you and them know that they are not the best fighting force in EVE right now. They are climbing the ladder fast though if I am to believe some posts in here. What would you do if D2 or ERA or any other alliance with a mighty ISK-backbone showed up and moved in? Regards, LOWA Dearest LOWA, Once against I'll ask you to go back and read my post. This time, read it a little more carefully. In it I said - "After your contact is up, come on back. I'll more than gladly fight you. Until then have fun without me." Please stop saying "so what your saying is..." You apparently have no clue I am saying. Or, what is more probable is your just trying the childish attempt to goad me into coming out to fight you. Heck, I'm surprised you haven't started calling me a coward or a chicken for not coming out and fighting you, or was that next? As for the rest of your post, not worth commenting about as it's just the same dribble. Ralph
Pride NL	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:10:00 - [123] If you think ISS hired the MC then: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:14:00 - [124] Originally by: Pride NL If you think ISS hired the MC then: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed. I think MC are pretty good at what they do. I think ISS consists of a bunch of backdoor sneeks trying to slide into 0.0 sideways with lies and scams. I think you have brain damage.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:15:00 - [125] Originally by: Pride NL If you think ISS hired the MC then: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed. Pride NL - WTF? Are you even in the same conversaion? I 'highly' suggest you go read the numerous posts here AND then come join the conversation.
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:15:00 - [126] Ralp, Raid, I didnt make my self clear I guess. Never mind mercs, what would you do if someone else, with the goal to take over your region for example, came along that had a very thick wallet and an industry to replace ships instantly without feeling the loss? Would you still say that you wouldnt fight since the loss had no impact on the enemies will or strength to continue the war? And I would never stoop to the level of childs. Again, if you had any merit and knowledge of me you would know that. Regards, LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:17:00 - [127] Originally by: Lowa Ralp, Raid, I didnt make my self clear I guess. Never mind mercs, what would you do if someone else, with the goal to take over your region for example, came along that had a very thick wallet and an industry to replace ships instantly without feeling the loss? Would you still say that you wouldnt fight since the loss had no impact on the enemies will or strength to continue the war? And I would never stoop to the level of childs. Again, if you had any merit and knowledge of me you would know that. Regards, LOWA LOWA, you mean like what the ISS is doing now? As for my knowledge of you, your right, I don't know you from squat. I can only go by what you post. Ralph
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:19:00 - [128] Originally by: Pride NL If you think ISS hired the MC then: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed. I think you are missing a word or two here, it is a fact ISS hired MC. Maybe what you where going to say was ISS hiring MC specificly against CC. In that case it would be closer to the truth. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:26:00 - [129] Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: Lowa Ralp, Raid, I didnt make my self clear I guess. Never mind mercs, what would you do if someone else, with the goal to take over your region for example, came along that had a very thick wallet and an industry to replace ships instantly without feeling the loss? Would you still say that you wouldnt fight since the loss had no impact on the enemies will or strength to continue the war? And I would never stoop to the level of childs. Again, if you had any merit and knowledge of me you would know that. Regards, LOWA LOWA, you mean like what the ISS is doing now? As for my knowledge of you, your right, I don't know you from squat. I can only go by what you post. Ralph Ralph, Will you answer my question or should we agree to disagree and leave it at that? I need to stop w.h.oring anyway, some muppet says I need to work. Regards, LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:30:00 - [130] Don't u just hate those muppets who hang over your cubicle wall telling you you really have better uses for your time?
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:30:00 - [131] Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: Lowa Ralp, Raid, I didnt make my self clear I guess. Never mind mercs, what would you do if someone else, with the goal to take over your region for example, came along that had a very thick wallet and an industry to replace ships instantly without feeling the loss? Would you still say that you wouldnt fight since the loss had no impact on the enemies will or strength to continue the war? And I would never stoop to the level of childs. Again, if you had any merit and knowledge of me you would know that. Regards, LOWA LOWA, you mean like what the ISS is doing now? As for my knowledge of you, your right, I don't know you from squat. I can only go by what you post. Ralph Actually, I guess the same can be applied to me. I've been going back and re-reading some of my posts. Since you don't know me, I guess you could consider me an *******. The VIRII used to thank the same thing. Anyway, going and reading some of my posts, I seem to be a little angry. That's because this whole thread has really made me angry. It was started by a guy that was most likely a spy for someone (and to be honest I really don't think it was the ISS), he spent 12 days in our corp and then jumped on a forum and made a lot of personal attacks that were not done in an In-character forum. They were done in an out-of-character thread. This was done dilerabely. And it seems it was condoned by many people here. I think a lot of people forget this is an OOC fourm and just spout whatever they won't. They see there character face in the upper left corner and just assume it's that character talking. That's why I'm signing my name. I hope it will remind people that this is not an OOC. Now this guys has traded for a new character and joined M corp. If he is still in M corp after being informed what he did, then I have to conclude, this was done my a corp in M corp. This is the worst type of playmenship. Ralph
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:32:00 - [132] Originally by: Keldareth Don't u just hate those muppets who hang over your cubicle wall telling you you really have better uses for your time? WTB: 'How to turn your cubicle into a death star POS' - The complete holo-reel series! NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:41:00 - [133] Ha... upload it to an FTP for me :P www.thinkgeek.com has cubicle alarms. Infra-red detectors that sound an alarm when the beams are broken. Would be fun to an extent but offensive weaponry ftw.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:42:00 - [134] Originally by: Hoshi I think you are missing a word or two here, it is a fact ISS hired MC. Maybe what you where going to say was ISS hiring MC specificly against CC. In that case it would be closer to the truth. Don't be so clueless, Hoshi. We've already successfully deployed one outpost with their assistance, two more to go. Those outposts represent 110bn ISK of investment - slightly more important than you guys. You're just a spot of light entertainment for them, nothing more. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:57:00 - [135] Butter Dog i think it makes you look like a fool when you fail to read what was written and merely jump on someone instead. Look at the post before hoshi's. Then re-read hoshi's. He's agreeing that MC was not hired with the express purpose of dealing with CC. He was correcting one of the ISS minions who couldn't form coherent thoughts.
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:59:00 - [136] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Pride NL If you think ISS hired the MC then: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed. I think you are missing a word or two here, it is a fact ISS hired MC. Maybe what you where going to say was ISS hiring MC specificly against CC. In that case it would be closer to the truth. What hoshi is trying to say is that your member meant to say: If you think ISS hired MC TO DEAL WITH CC: 1. You think low of MC 2. You think low of ISS 3. Your view is too narrowed. Hoshi is not saying MC was hired just to deal with us. Remedial english skills and basic logic ftw.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:02:00 - [137] I skim read CC posts, I confess Although, I did consult my crystal ball earlier. It told me that not all the corps in CC are as happy as they might be. Interesting.... of course, its just a crystal ball, surely that can't be true! ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:09:00 - [138] Originally by: Butter Dog I skim read CC posts, I confess Although, I did consult my crystal ball earlier. It told me that not all the corps in CC are as happy as they might be. Interesting.... of course, its just a crystal ball, surely that can't be true! Speaking of unhappy corps, how many has ISS lost now, four or five?
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:19:00 - [139] Edited by: Butter Dog on 03/05/2006 16:20:03 Originally by: Lt Hole Speaking of unhappy corps, how many has ISS lost now, four or five? Since the war, member count has increased and we're the No.4 alliance in EVE, soooo.... looks like we're doing pretty well ISS deals with empire wars all the time - you guys have inflicted very little damage compared to other wars we've had. I'd give you 4/10. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:19:00 - [140] Originally by: Lt Hole Originally by: Butter Dog I skim read CC posts, I confess Although, I did consult my crystal ball earlier. It told me that not all the corps in CC are as happy as they might be. Interesting.... of course, its just a crystal ball, surely that can't be true! Speaking of unhappy corps, how many has ISS lost now, four or five? Hay LT. Lost may be too strong a word. I think those corps that surrendered to the CC went into hiding. Most likely, when CC's war is over with ISS at the end of July, they'll most likely return to the fold. That is, until someone else declares war. Got to keep that machine fed. Which just goes to show that the empire war is more effective then the ISS wants to let on. Say what they will, the proof is in the pudding. If it wasn't at least somewhat effective, they wouldn't be dropping out of the ISS. Ralph
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:26:00 - [141] Edited by: Chain Gang on 03/05/2006 16:28:15 CC are funny ..... they try to be a big corp, claim a region and do nothing apart from sending out the odd gank squad and sitting in a "NPC" station ..... Come on guys put some "Isk" where your "smack talk is" and lets them have a big fight to the end ...... off course you won't but you sound big on the forums ..... The slightest chance of a even fight you "take down your POS's" and jump into KDF for 3 mins and run back to doril when theres a chance of some action .... We love forum warriors but at least the ISS / ISSN have built something its not their fault your to "small minded" to be able to take it from them. /finished ... please follow with official CC dribble in single file.
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:32:00 - [142] I hate when people don't include their Corp + Alliance in their forum information. It makes posts like Chain Gangs much less credible. When you see without having to log in he belongs to XXXX corp you can say oh well there must be some merit to what he says, or he belongs to Aliastra and you can dismiss him as a person who's calling the kettle black saying we are mighty forum warriors yet he hides behind an alt to slander us. It's not that hard people... Settings, select character, click Show Corporation Show Alliance. Lend some credence to your posts.
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:33:00 - [143] I is not black
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:34:00 - [144] huh?
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:36:00 - [145] If that was your attempt at a whitty remark, I pity you and also hope you have your helmet on. At least make an intelligent retort.
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:37:00 - [146] Come on Keldareth .. enter the big world and get CC to stop hiding behind the NPC stations .......
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:39:00 - [147] This is just speculation, but I think from the tone of this whole thread, if we were to plant an outpost somewhere ISSN would be the least of our concern. Quite literally the LEAST of our concern. LV and all the others would probably be much more of a problem. That is unless ISS plays the role of the lazy moneybag and throws countless merc corps at our theoretical outpost. I can't log in right now, who are you chain gang? Are you in this war at all or are you just taking a shot at us for the sake of feeling a little better about yourself?
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:47:00 - [148] Originally by: Keldareth This is just speculation, but I think from the tone of this whole thread, if we were to plant an outpost somewhere ISSN would be the least of our concern. Quite literally the LEAST of our concern. LV and all the others would probably be much more of a problem. That is unless ISS plays the role of the lazy moneybag and throws countless merc corps at our theoretical outpost. I can't log in right now, who are you chain gang? Are you in this war at all or are you just taking a shot at us for the sake of feeling a little better about yourself? You're very welcome to build an outpost, we wouldnt wish to stop you. Indeed we'd offer our support. Development of 0.0 space is what ISS stands for, after all. Rather than speculate, do it. Move into 0.0 proper and build a home you can be proud of. CVA are a similar size and they have an outpost, and it would be a nice goal for you guys to work for, apart from sniping noobs entering Doril from the Sendaya gate. Unless, of course, you're happy with achieving precisely nothing. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:49:00 - [149] Originally by: Lt Hole You lose corps and grow. Interesting math. I guess it works something like this: 10 - 1 = 11 We gain corps and grow, not that you know anything about it. ISS is an entry point for many industrial corps into 0.0, if they move on to the territorial alliances, we consider that a 'job well done'. Its what ISS stands for - opening up 0.0 to new generations of players. Either way, ISS is bigger now than it ever has been, but thats not relevant to overall ISS goals. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:51:00 - [150] Butter Dog again you post without readnig the previous posts. Go back and read Chain Gang's post. He said "if you build an outpost I'd like to see you try to defend it from ISSN." My message was in response to his idea we'd lose our outpost to ISSN. Dude you really gotta learn to stop skimming through this stuff. You just keep making yourself look like a bigger fool than you already have. Your so fast to redicule and yet not willing to understand.
Keldareth	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:53:00 - [151] Originally by: Chain Gang Lets see you defending against the ISSN. Just wanted to quote him before he edits again and it makes your reading and comprehension of this thread a little easier Butter Dog.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.03 16:53:00 - [152] Well my points still stand - if you did move into 0.0 proper and built yourselves a home, it might give you some goals other than sniping shuttles on the Sendaya gate. Up to you of course. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.03 17:12:00 - [153] Originally by: Butter Dog Well my points still stand - if you did move into 0.0 proper and built yourselves a home, it might give you some goals other than sniping shuttles on the Sendaya gate. Up to you of course. checking killboard.....I see an ISS shuttle kill but it's in Oursalaert as well as a hoarder in the same system. There also seems be a Raven kill in Erme. Sorry no shuttle kill in doril, check back later though. I'm sure an ISS sucide shuttle fleet is only moments away.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.05.03 17:13:00 - [154] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Lt Hole You lose corps and grow. Interesting math. I guess it works something like this: 10 - 1 = 11 We gain corps and grow, not that you know anything about it. I know you're losing corps. I know I have a hard time finding ISS flagged ships in Empire to attack. I know you'd say black was white if you thought it would make ISS look good. Those things I know.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.05.03 17:15:00 - [155] Originally by: Wwhisper checking killboard.....I see an ISS shuttle kill but it's in Oursalaert as well as a hoarder in the same system. There also seems be a Raven kill in Erme. Sorry no shuttle kill in doril, check back later though. I'm sure an ISS sucide shuttle fleet is only moments away. (Lt must learn to check the killboards to see where the Empire action is....)
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.05.03 17:33:00 - [156] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Hoshi I think you are missing a word or two here, it is a fact ISS hired MC. Maybe what you where going to say was ISS hiring MC specificly against CC. In that case it would be closer to the truth. Don't be so clueless, Hoshi. We've already successfully deployed one outpost with their assistance, two more to go. Those outposts represent 110bn ISK of investment - slightly more important than you guys. You're just a spot of light entertainment for them, nothing more. I am sorry if you missunderstood my post, I agree it was a bit unclear, what I was saying was that if what he wanted to say was that ISS did not hire MC specificly against CC it would be closer to the truth. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.03 17:48:00 - [157] I leave for lunch and all hell breaks loose. Can we all stop the flaming. Lets try answering questions without throwing flames back and forth shall we? It tends to be more productive. Lowa, What would we do if someone with unlimited funds moved in? First, thats a general question that any small alliances anywhere in eve would have to answer. If you know the history of Tyrell/CC you can probably figure out what we would do. We'd stay, fight... make money elsewhere if we couldnt do it in curse but continue to fight until they are gone. How long? Years if necessary... The original intent behind the comments of not fighting someone with unlimited funds was directed at specifically merc corps who are paid up front by someone else. Like i said before dont read more into it than that. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Max Teranous	Posted - 2006.05.03 17:51:00 - [158] If I am ever on the wrong side of an MC war dec I'll be engaging them till i'm out of isk and out of ships. Why? Because it'd be a shed load of fun and i'd be fighting against some of the best pilots in eve. And that's why I play. I'm sure other pvpers would and should say the same. Besides I bet they drop good loot Max
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.03 18:10:00 - [159] Originally by: Max Teranous If I am ever on the wrong side of an MC war dec I'll be engaging them till i'm out of isk and out of ships. Why? Because it'd be a shed load of fun and i'd be fighting against some of the best pilots in eve. And that's why I play. I'm sure other pvpers would and should say the same. Besides I bet they drop good loot No doubt its fun... but at the same time your giving the client exactly what they want and encouraging them to continue to hire mercs against you because its so effective. professional mercs are not concerned about your fun level, their concerned about the job they have to do. Its a give and take situation. Yes its fun no question... but you're playing right into your enemies hands. You give your enemy time to breath while someone else fights for them. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.03 19:52:00 - [160] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Keldareth This is just speculation, but I think from the tone of this whole thread, if we were to plant an outpost somewhere ISSN would be the least of our concern. Quite literally the LEAST of our concern. LV and all the others would probably be much more of a problem. That is unless ISS plays the role of the lazy moneybag and throws countless merc corps at our theoretical outpost. I can't log in right now, who are you chain gang? Are you in this war at all or are you just taking a shot at us for the sake of feeling a little better about yourself? You're very welcome to build an outpost, we wouldnt wish to stop you. Indeed we'd offer our support. Development of 0.0 space is what ISS stands for, after all. Rather than speculate, do it. Move into 0.0 proper and build a home you can be proud of. CVA are a similar size and they have an outpost, and it would be a nice goal for you guys to work for, apart from sniping noobs entering Doril from the Sendaya gate. Unless, of course, you're happy with achieving precisely nothing. Why do you assume everyone shares the same ideology as ISS im perfectly happy not sharing with acces to 0.0 and keeping it all for myself and my corp and killing any others... As far as achiving something its like saying a Merc corporation is achiving something by earning isk and attacking others .. Just beacuse CC dosent want to Play Carebear with and actually make the game intresting by not agreeing to everything or always trying to get along and be a pushover alliance ..Dont even get your points sometimes you disagre beacuse CC policy is not ISS policy its easy butter were the bad guys someone has to be the bad guy
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.05.03 22:41:00 - [161] Originally by: Lt Hole I know you're losing corps. I know I have a hard time finding ISS flagged ships in Empire to attack. I know you'd say black was white if you thought it would make ISS look good. Those things I know. Look, this is easily proven guys, even right here on this website. Go to 'backstory', click on 'Alliances' and see how many members ISS have. If its more than they have ever had before, then ISS are correct that you're war is not having any negative effects on them. Nublets.
Coby Descent	Posted - 2006.05.03 23:12:00 - [162] Originally by: Valkazm Why do you assume everyone shares the same ideology as ISS im perfectly happy not sharing with acces to 0.0 and keeping it all for myself and my corp and killing any others... As far as achiving something its like saying a Merc corporation is achiving something by earning isk and attacking others .. Just beacuse CC dosent want to Play Carebear with and actually make the game intresting by not agreeing to everything or always trying to get along and be a pushover alliance ..Dont even get your points sometimes you disagre beacuse CC policy is not ISS policy its easy butter were the bad guys someone has to be the bad guy I'm not making any political comment, because I don't want to get involved in this "discussion" and I'm mearly posing a question, but does the above quote not confirm the first post of this thread?
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.03 23:35:00 - [163] am I mistaken that this is an in-character forum?
Atlas Oracle	Posted - 2006.05.04 00:36:00 - [164] Edited by: Atlas Oracle on 04/05/2006 00:36:08 Originally by: Vincent Gaines am I mistaken that this is an in-character forum? of course you are not mistaken - the sticky at the top says "THIS IS AN IN CHARACTER ONLY FORUM"
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2006.05.04 01:29:00 - [165] Originally by: Evelgrivion On another note, player killing is one thing - extortion is another. And the IAC doesnt like piracy - as ransoming a ship is piracy to the highest degree. Speak for yourself ;p I much prefer to pay a ransom rather than losing a ship or pod Alas people hardly ever ransom me ;[ http://eve.klaki.net/
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.04 02:27:00 - [166] Originally by: Atlas Oracle Edited by: Atlas Oracle on 04/05/2006 00:36:08 Originally by: Vincent Gaines am I mistaken that this is an in-character forum? of course you are not mistaken - the sticky at the top says "THIS IS AN IN CHARACTER ONLY FORUM" you're not one to catch a hint, are ya?
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.04 03:55:00 - [167] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Evelgrivion On another note, player killing is one thing - extortion is another. And the IAC doesnt like piracy - as ransoming a ship is piracy to the highest degree. Speak for yourself ;p I much prefer to pay a ransom rather than losing a ship or pod Alas people hardly ever ransom me ;[ CC does not condone extorsion. You're either killed or not. If it happens, pls send a message to one of the directors and it will be promtly dealt with.
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.04 07:45:00 - [168] Originally by: Coby Descent Originally by: Valkazm Why do you assume everyone shares the same ideology as ISS im perfectly happy not sharing with acces to 0.0 and keeping it all for myself and my corp and killing any others... As far as achiving something its like saying a Merc corporation is achiving something by earning isk and attacking others .. Just beacuse CC dosent want to Play Carebear with and actually make the game intresting by not agreeing to everything or always trying to get along and be a pushover alliance ..Dont even get your points sometimes you disagre beacuse CC policy is not ISS policy its easy butter were the bad guys someone has to be the bad guy I'm not making any political comment, because I don't want to get involved in this "discussion" and I'm mearly posing a question, but does the above quote not confirm the first post of this thread? It proves that im happy with the assumption made for myself im happy being considered as some barbarian up north who only shoots people that pass by so that i can actually get things togheter with the corp and later on with the alliance ..
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:46:00 - [169] Morning bump for my favourite thread ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Uggster	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:29:00 - [170] CC = NPC station hugging noob shooters with little or no real talant and a long list of excuses why they "need" to "defend" "thier" space. They are a fly in the ointment of eve and little more.
Tara Read	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:50:00 - [171] Originally by: Eyeshadow We fly the most expensive ships with the most expensive equipment. However, we are the best at what we do () and this allows us to fly the ships we do. We do lose HACs and faction stuff sometimes though so you can inflict some loss on us I dunno bout that; the MC hac's I took without them firing a shot back; had some of the worst ISHTAR fittings I've ever seen.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:20:00 - [172] Edited by: Butter Dog on 04/05/2006 16:20:50 Tara, shame on you for smacktalking about peoples fittings. Want to read something really funny? Here we are... [2006.04.28 05:15:11] Tara Read > RAWWWRRR [2006.04.28 05:15:14] Tara Read > 2 steps ahead ftw [2006.04.28 05:35:02] Tara Read > i could fly from SS to SS or warp in @ 100km on you all night [2006.04.28 05:36:04] Tara Read > its all the same to me [2006.04.28 05:36:49] Tara Read > i just never been caught [2006.04.28 05:36:50] Tara Read > in months 15 minutes later.... http://bdci.killboard.net/?p=details&id=15689 ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:24:00 - [173] Originally by: Tara Read I dunno bout that; the MC hac's I took without them firing a shot back; had some of the worst ISHTAR fittings I've ever seen. to be honest, yours was pretty crap aswell by my standards. Each to their own though. Be careful what you say though Tara, the incident with your smack in local and then getting righteously ganked by Farjung/Tovarisch and a couple more MC and then following said ganking with more smack has brought many a smile to us on our forums My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Farjung	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:27:00 - [174] Play nice boys and girls ¼_¼. --- Reckless Wave of Mutilation
Tara Read	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:35:00 - [175] Edited by: Tara Read on 04/05/2006 18:38:14 Originally by: Farjung Play nice boys and girls ¼_¼. i dont think farjung wants me to point out the falcon i/we just killed about an hour ago... along with a few shinra battleships http://bdci.killboard.net/?p=details&id=15863 i can link kill mails all day if it comes down to it... i know i have alot more KM's that deaths and ISS; stop linking for MC; they can do it themselves. but dont resort to it. i however have to shove this one back in there/your face. ________________________________________________ Keeping 0.0 Lethal; Since; Ever; Like its supposed to be.
Tara Read	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:44:00 - [176] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Tara Read I dunno bout that; the MC hac's I took without them firing a shot back; had some of the worst ISHTAR fittings I've ever seen. to be honest, yours was pretty crap aswell by my standards. Each to their own though. Be careful what you say though Tara, the incident with your smack in local and then getting righteously ganked by Farjung/Tovarisch and a couple more MC and then following said ganking with more smack has brought many a smile to us on our forums i know nectar and phoenus werent smiling when i outsmarted them... now how about butterdog go to the MC board; look up tara read; and link my kills and losses and take a guess whos smiling still. im sooooo sorry to bring you into this MC; i respect you guys; but this buttercat is a weaklink forum*****. ________________________________________________ Keeping 0.0 Lethal; Since; Ever; Like its supposed to be.
Farjung	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:54:00 - [177] Originally by: Tara Read Edited by: Tara Read on 04/05/2006 18:38:14 Originally by: Farjung Play nice boys and girls ¼_¼. i dont think farjung wants me to point out the falcon i/we just killed about an hour ago... along with a few shinra battleships I don't particularly care to be honest, I just think chest-beating on the forums or in local serves no purpose. --- Reckless Wave of Mutilation
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:05:00 - [178] Edited by: Raid on 04/05/2006 19:05:00 Originally by: Farjung Originally by: Tara Read Edited by: Tara Read on 04/05/2006 18:38:14 Originally by: Farjung Play nice boys and girls ¼_¼. i dont think farjung wants me to point out the falcon i/we just killed about an hour ago... along with a few shinra battleships I don't particularly care to be honest, I just think chest-beating on the forums or in local serves no purpose. Its gives me a reason to stay awake at the office. Can you imagine if i actually WORKED? The Horror!!! Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:23:00 - [179] OK - I'm pretty fed up with this ISS propaganda saying that we are only killing T1 frigs and the ISS can take the losses etc. Frankly I don't care what rubbish you guys want to spout, it's mostly made up anyway so why bother. If you want to get serious lets look at the real facts about this war. Since it began (12 days ago) the curse coalition have destroyed the following ISS ships. Pods127 Frigates92 Cruisers53 Shuttles23 Battleships22 Haulers19 Battle Cruisers15 Noob Ships11 Interceptors10 Assault Frigate6 Covert ops3 Destroyers3 Mining Barge2 TOTAL386 Along with that we have also destroyed 526 other ships not from ISS. Our friends in CDC have killed over 200 ISS ships in the same period. If you don't believe it go take a look at our killboards. We have taken losses too, I am not an idiot and I am fairly certain that our killboard losses are not the whole story but If you want to challenge it, lets see the evidence - Post your CC kills here in the same way we have and lets see where the chips fall. You and others are saying that ISS can sustain all these losses - that's just peachy! Well guess what? So can we! Tyrell Corp alone could sustain all the losses of CC, CDC even ISS put together with no problem at all - ISS is NOT the only group in the universe that has ways to make isk. Lets keep up the good work CC!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:36:00 - [180] The difference being, thats just an average fortnight for the ISS. Its business as usual as we are still making money and building outposts across the four corners of EVE. We are still achieving everything we wish, plus fighting you. Its all good in the ISS right now :) ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Masempa	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:38:00 - [181] Originally by: Rebekah OK - I'm pretty fed up with this ISS propaganda saying that we are only killing T1 frigs and the ISS can take the losses etc. Frankly I don't care what rubbish you guys want to spout, it's mostly made up anyway so why bother. If you want to get serious lets look at the real facts about this war. Since it began (12 days ago) the curse coalition have destroyed the following ISS ships. Pods127 Frigates92 Cruisers53 Shuttles23 Battleships22 Haulers19 Battle Cruisers15 Noob Ships11 Interceptors10 Assault Frigate6 Covert ops3 Destroyers3 Mining Barge2 TOTAL386 Along with that we have also destroyed 526 other ships not from ISS. Our friends in CDC have killed over 200 ISS ships in the same period. If you don't believe it go take a look at our killboards. We have taken losses too, I am not an idiot and I am fairly certain that our killboard losses are not the whole story but If you want to challenge it, lets see the evidence - Post your CC kills here in the same way we have and lets see where the chips fall. You and others are saying that ISS can sustain all these losses - that's just peachy! Well guess what? So can we! Tyrell Corp alone could sustain all the losses of CC, CDC even ISS put together with no problem at all - ISS is NOT the only group in the universe that has ways to make isk. Lets keep up the good work CC! You speak as if the ISS has been throwing there main assualt fleets at you daily? We know what your maxium fielded fleet strength can be, do you know the ISS's? Then ask, how many times have you come against a fully fielded ISS group? Then ask, how many times has ISS come against fully fielded CC group? We place our inexperianced members in full view of your big guns - then you boast on the eve forums for your kill to loss ratio. Well dones guys
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:01:00 - [182] Originally by: Masempa Originally by: Rebekah OK - I'm pretty fed up with this ISS propaganda saying that we are only killing T1 frigs and the ISS can take the losses etc. Frankly I don't care what rubbish you guys want to spout, it's mostly made up anyway so why bother. If you want to get serious lets look at the real facts about this war. Since it began (12 days ago) the curse coalition have destroyed the following ISS ships. Pods127 Frigates92 Cruisers53 Shuttles23 Battleships22 Haulers19 Battle Cruisers15 Noob Ships11 Interceptors10 Assault Frigate6 Covert ops3 Destroyers3 Mining Barge2 TOTAL386 Along with that we have also destroyed 526 other ships not from ISS. Our friends in CDC have killed over 200 ISS ships in the same period. If you don't believe it go take a look at our killboards. We have taken losses too, I am not an idiot and I am fairly certain that our killboard losses are not the whole story but If you want to challenge it, lets see the evidence - Post your CC kills here in the same way we have and lets see where the chips fall. You and others are saying that ISS can sustain all these losses - that's just peachy! Well guess what? So can we! Tyrell Corp alone could sustain all the losses of CC, CDC even ISS put together with no problem at all - ISS is NOT the only group in the universe that has ways to make isk. Lets keep up the good work CC! You speak as if the ISS has been throwing there main assualt fleets at you daily? We know what your maxium fielded fleet strength can be, do you know the ISS's? Then ask, how many times have you come against a fully fielded ISS group? Then ask, how many times has ISS come against fully fielded CC group? We place our inexperianced members in full view of your big guns - then you boast on the eve forums for your kill to loss ratio. Well dones guys Nice Logic - "We can outgun you but we never have and choose not to" - hmmmmm, prove it! Let's see what you can bring out to play. I'm looking forward to it already!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:06:00 - [183] Originally by: Rebekah Nice Logic - "We can outgun you but we never have and choose not to" - hmmmmm, prove it! Let's see what you can bring out to play. I'm looking forward to it already! I think what he is saying is: we just don't care. We've got more important things to do, you see. ISS is an alliance with far-reaching goals, and what we do fundamentally changes EVE forever. If all you can do is point to killboards and say 'look everyone!' well.. then I would just turn around, point to that huge outpost we built last week and say 'I think you'll find this slightly more impressive to look at'. ISS is an amazing organisation to be a part off. The losses you inflict are completely insignificant, CC are a small sideshow. We however seem to be your reason for playing EVE, which is both flattering and disturbing in equal meansure. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Pattern Clarc	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:06:00 - [184] Originally by: Rebekah Originally by: Masempa Originally by: Rebekah OK - I'm pretty fed up with this ISS propaganda saying that we are only killing T1 frigs and the ISS can take the losses etc. Frankly I don't care what rubbish you guys want to spout, it's mostly made up anyway so why bother. If you want to get serious lets look at the real facts about this war. Since it began (12 days ago) the curse coalition have destroyed the following ISS ships. Pods127 Frigates92 Cruisers53 Shuttles23 Battleships22 Haulers19 Battle Cruisers15 Noob Ships11 Interceptors10 Assault Frigate6 Covert ops3 Destroyers3 Mining Barge2 TOTAL386 Along with that we have also destroyed 526 other ships not from ISS. Our friends in CDC have killed over 200 ISS ships in the same period. If you don't believe it go take a look at our killboards. We have taken losses too, I am not an idiot and I am fairly certain that our killboard losses are not the whole story but If you want to challenge it, lets see the evidence - Post your CC kills here in the same way we have and lets see where the chips fall. You and others are saying that ISS can sustain all these losses - that's just peachy! Well guess what? So can we! Tyrell Corp alone could sustain all the losses of CC, CDC even ISS put together with no problem at all - ISS is NOT the only group in the universe that has ways to make isk. Lets keep up the good work CC! You speak as if the ISS has been throwing there main assualt fleets at you daily? We know what your maxium fielded fleet strength can be, do you know the ISS's? Then ask, how many times have you come against a fully fielded ISS group? Then ask, how many times has ISS come against fully fielded CC group? We place our inexperianced members in full view of your big guns - then you boast on the eve forums for your kill to loss ratio. Well dones guys Nice Logic - "We can outgun you but we never have and choose not to" - hmmmmm, prove it! Let's see what you can bring out to play. I'm looking forward to it already! We've brought 40% srtength strike groups to Doril plenty of times. And you dock? We'd love to field a fully fitted fleet against one of yours, alas, we have more important things to do at the moment
Velios	Posted - 2006.05.05 00:13:00 - [185] Excellent retort Butter Dog, I would have been proud of that myself Never were truer words spoken on these forums my friend. M.Corp BPC Packages
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.05 00:42:00 - [186] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rebekah Nice Logic - "We can outgun you but we never have and choose not to" - hmmmmm, prove it! Let's see what you can bring out to play. I'm looking forward to it already! I think what he is saying is: we just don't care. We've got more important things to do, you see. ISS is an alliance with far-reaching goals, and what we do fundamentally changes EVE forever. If all you can do is point to killboards and say 'look everyone!' well.. then I would just turn around, point to that huge outpost we built last week and say 'I think you'll find this slightly more impressive to look at'. ISS is an amazing organisation to be a part off. The losses you inflict are completely insignificant, CC are a small sideshow. We however seem to be your reason for playing EVE, which is both flattering and disturbing in equal meansure. yup butters does a good job singlehandadly praising him self all we are missing now is ISS butters station .. and a statute pointing at it with the text underneath look what i built looook god damn you look at it ... oh and in that fantasy dont forget to have a statue pointing at the gate that leads to curse to warn everyone for curse insignifact kills that are so insignifact to hire mercs for ..
Uggster	Posted - 2006.05.05 01:13:00 - [187] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rebekah Nice Logic - "We can outgun you but we never have and choose not to" - hmmmmm, prove it! Let's see what you can bring out to play. I'm looking forward to it already! I think what he is saying is: we just don't care. We've got more important things to do, you see. ISS is an alliance with far-reaching goals, and what we do fundamentally changes EVE forever. If all you can do is point to killboards and say 'look everyone!' well.. then I would just turn around, point to that huge outpost we built last week and say 'I think you'll find this slightly more impressive to look at'. ISS is an amazing organisation to be a part off. The losses you inflict are completely insignificant, CC are a small sideshow. We however seem to be your reason for playing EVE, which is both flattering and disturbing in equal meansure. I'm begining to like this guy
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:30:00 - [188] Edited by: Jacob Majestic on 05/05/2006 06:30:33 Originally by: Valkazm yup butters does a good job singlehandadly praising him self all we are missing now is ISS butters station .. and a statute pointing at it with the text underneath look what i built looook god damn you look at it ... oh and in that fantasy dont forget to have a statue pointing at the gate that leads to curse to warn everyone for curse insignifact kills that are so insignifact to hire mercs for .. I actually got done fitting T2 Butter Dog statues to the front of the outpost in KDF. I think the shine that comes off his bald head captures his personality quite well. Why don't you come see it? I'd like it even better if you brought friends. I'll name my ship Primary Target.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:23:00 - [189] Originally by: Butter Dog The difference being, thats just an average fortnight for the ISS. Its business as usual as we are still making money and building outposts across the four corners of EVE. We are still achieving everything we wish, plus fighting you. Its all good in the ISS right now :) Baghdad Butter, I'm not sure sure about that. Another corp left your Alliance today. Now, I realize that a lot of corps are quitting only to rejoin later, but the longer they are out of your corp the more they may decide to go elsewhere. I'm willing to bet when this war is over at the end of June, there will be a few less corps that come back. As for gaining new members, I do see your ranks swelling, but this is in only a few corps and I have a feeling many are joining just so they can fight and when the war is over we're going to see a mad exodus.
Minamoto noYoritomo	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:30:00 - [190] I thought that posting killmails and/or links to killmails was a bannable offense... looks like both sides are guilty of this so far also i keep seeing people mentioning cdc who are these people and how come no one ever speaks from them does cc make the decsions for them to or are they just some puppet group of cc's?
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:37:00 - [191] Originally by: Valkazm Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rebekah I think what he is saying is: we just don't care. We've got more important things to do, you see. The losses you inflict are completely insignificant Baghdad Butters, If all this were true, then there would not have been three merc corps thrown against us. The fact is you do care. As much as you pound on the wall and say you don't, you do. Otherwise you would not be forum whoring saying you DON'T care. My greatest wonder is if you care that the entire eve universe laughs at the letters ISSN. Do you care that the best tactic ISSN can come up with is sucide frigs whose only real goal seems to teach is members how to keep their pods up-to-date? Do you care that the last real engagement of large ships you brought against us were destroyed in detail without a loss on our side. Would you like me to describe how your interdictor pilot condemed every ship there to death, then warped to the gate without an insta and committed sucide for what he had done? Saying you don't care is the worst kind of propaganda - because it's a lie and everyone can see right through it.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:41:00 - [192] Wwhisper, how many times do we have to tell you the same thing before you understand it? We have not hired MC specifically against you. They were hired to assist us in constructing three outposts - thats 110bn ISK of investment. Thats why we hired them. They wardecced you because CC are close to KDF, and on our KOS list. They made the decision to wardec you, not us. And they would be welcome to wardec anyone else on our -10 list they choose. They need something to do when they are not egg-warming after all. We're only too happy to let them play with our KOS list, but stop this delusion now - MC were not hired 'against you' they were hired to provide extra security for the numerous freighter runs needed, and outpost eggs being deployed in the coming weeks. Comprende? ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:49:00 - [193] Originally by: Butter Dog Wwhisper, how many times do we have to tell you the same thing before you understand it? We have not hired MC specifically against you. They were hired to assist us in constructing three outposts - thats 110bn ISK of investment. Thats why we hired them. They wardecced you because CC are close to KDF, and on our KOS list. They made the decision to wardec you, not us. And they would be welcome to wardec anyone else on our -10 list they choose. They need something to do when they are not egg-warming after all. We're only too happy to let them play with our KOS list, but stop this delusion now - MC were not hired 'against you' they were hired to provide extra security for the numerous freighter runs needed, and outpost eggs being deployed in the coming weeks. Comprende? Dear Baghdad Butters, Say what you like, the result is still the same. You hired THREE Merc corps that have attacked CC. Battle Angles and Atomic were hired to specifically attack us. It doesn't matter if the MC war-decked us or not, you still hired them to protect you. Besides, that was not the point of the last post. The point was that you LIE when you say you don't care. The fact is you DO care otherwise...well I already said what I needed to say in the last post, you just chose to try and ingore it and divert attention from it by coming up with something unrelated.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:58:00 - [194] Wwhisper, what is it exactly that I'm supposed to care about? You killing ISS ships? Your very occasional gank squads that visit KDF and stay 5 minutes? What exactly? Let me tell you something, and this is speaking as a PvPer not a diplomat: we in the ISSN don't want an NAP with CC. We want the fights. We want to hone our skills against you. If the ISS political leadership do come to an NAP, we will of course respect that, but from the military perspective.... well, thats a different story. So please, stop deluding yourself that I 'care' because quite honestly the ISS is bigger than a little fight with CC. You only have to look at what ISS has achieved to see that. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:11:00 - [195] Originally by: Butter Dog Wwhisper, what is it exactly that I'm supposed to care about? You killing ISS ships? Your very occasional gank squads that visit KDF and stay 5 minutes? What exactly? Let me tell you something, and this is speaking as a PvPer not a diplomat: we in the ISSN don't want an NAP with CC. We want the fights. We want to hone our skills against you. If the ISS political leadership do come to an NAP, we will of course respect that, but from the military perspective.... well, thats a different story. So please, stop deluding yourself that I 'care' because quite honestly the ISS is bigger than a little fight with CC. You only have to look at what ISS has achieved to see that. Baghdad Butters, Speaking as a pvper? Now there is a laugh. Throwing large squads of sucide frigs does not make you a pvper. It makes you and the ISSN a laughing stock. I will grant you that the ISS as a whole may have acheived some mesure of success at what they don best, but the only thing the ISSN has acheived is to become the butt of all jokes. You should have been fired a long time ago and a real fighter put in your place.
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:49:00 - [196] when I was a child, I'd mock people's names. I'm glad I grew out of that level of immaturity.
Pride NL	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:07:00 - [197] ISSN is the militairy part of the ISS. People should look into the goals of that corporation and then think about it. We are not their to fight the wars, thats just a bonus. The rest is up to your investigating mind.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 20:23:00 - [198] Originally by: Vincent Gaines when I was a child, I'd mock people's names. I'm glad I grew out of that level of immaturity. That's the best you can do? I'm not mocking his name, I'm making a statement. In some of the most ancient text known to humans, if you search back into earth history you'll find a guy that used to be called Baghdad Bob. I suggest you go find a holoreal of this text and read up on baghdad bob. I understand they used to have whole sites devoted to this deluded indivdual. Next time you post something, try to come up with a better attempt at an insult.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 20:26:00 - [199] Originally by: Pride NL ISSN is the militairy part of the ISS. People should look into the goals of that corporation and then think about it. We are not their to fight the wars, thats just a bonus. The rest is up to your investigating mind. If the ISS Navy is not their to fight wars or provide some sort of protection, they why call yourself a Navy. Why not the ISSSQ - ISS (sucide squad). I think your right, your not there to fight wars, but to improve clone vats everywhere.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:13:00 - [200] Originally by: Butter Dog I think what he is saying is: we just don't care. We've got more important things to do, you see. ISS is an alliance with far-reaching goals, and what we do fundamentally changes EVE forever. If all you can do is point to killboards and say 'look everyone!' well.. then I would just turn around, point to that huge outpost we built last week and say 'I think you'll find this slightly more impressive to look at'. ISS is an amazing organisation to be a part off. The losses you inflict are completely insignificant, CC are a small sideshow. We however seem to be your reason for playing EVE, which is both flattering and disturbing in equal meansure. I'd be impressed but I've played for a long time and have seen big mouth industrial alliances with giant eve changing plans come and go. So here, have a yawn....
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:13:00 - [201] Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 05/05/2006 21:13:52 Originally by: Wwhisper That's the best you can do? I'm not mocking his name, I'm making a statement. In some of the most ancient text known to humans, if you search back into earth history you'll find a guy that used to be called Baghdad Bob. I suggest you go find a holoreal of this text and read up on baghdad bob. I understand they used to have whole sites devoted to this deluded indivdual. Next time you post something, try to come up with a better attempt at an insult. Who said I'm insulting anyone? I'm mearly making a statement. How you react says more than what you're saying. In addition, how you act and what you say reflects upon your corporation and alliance, even if you have no intention of doing so. As such I won't make any statements regarding what's going on between CC and ISS, it is not my place. You continually berate ISS on one hand when on the other it's stated that diplomatic channels have been opened. I just find it interesting. Once again, you assumed I was insulting you when I was mearly pointing out your choice of pronouns.
Pride NL	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:11:00 - [202] Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: Pride NL ISSN is the militairy part of the ISS. People should look into the goals of that corporation and then think about it. We are not their to fight the wars, thats just a bonus. The rest is up to your investigating mind. If the ISS Navy is not their to fight wars or provide some sort of protection, they why call yourself a Navy. Why not the ISSSQ - ISS (sucide squad). I think your right, your not there to fight wars, but to improve clone vats everywhere. As said, first look for our actual goals. Then post stupid comments.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.06 00:44:00 - [203] Who said I'm insulting anyone? I'm mearly making a statement. How you react says more than what you're saying. In addition, how you act and what you say reflects upon your corporation and alliance, even if you have no intention of doing so. As such I won't make any statements regarding what's going on between CC and ISS, it is not my place. You continually berate ISS on one hand when on the other it's stated that diplomatic channels have been opened. I just find it interesting. Once again, you assumed I was insulting you when I was mearly pointing out your choice of pronouns. --------------------------------- Oh please, You were trying to be insulting and anyone who reads your statement can see it as well. If you're going to be insulting at least be a man about it. By trying to pretend you were not you are no better then the frig sucide ships that are pretending to be a fleet (incase you are wondering that was intended to be an insult - I don't insult and pretend I don't) Frankly, like Baghdad Butters I don't want an end of the war. I want to continue to kill your fleet until forced to stop by my corp and alliance. So I don't really care if it ****es-off your leaders.
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:06:00 - [204] Originally by: Wwhisper Oh please, You were trying to be insulting and anyone who reads your statement can see it as well. If you're going to be insulting at least be a man about it. By trying to pretend you were not you are no better then the frig sucide ships that are pretending to be a fleet (incase you are wondering that was intended to be an insult - I don't insult and pretend I don't) ok Frankly, like Baghdad Butters I don't want an end of the war. I want to continue to kill your fleet until forced to stop by my corp and alliance. So I don't really care if it ****es-off your leaders.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:22:00 - [205] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: Wwhisper Oh please, You were trying to be insulting and anyone who reads your statement can see it as well. If you're going to be insulting at least be a man about it. By trying to pretend you were not you are no better then the frig sucide ships that are pretending to be a fleet (incase you are wondering that was intended to be an insult - I don't insult and pretend I don't) ok Frankly, like Baghdad Butters I don't want an end of the war. I want to continue to kill your fleet until forced to stop by my corp and alliance. So I don't really care if it ****es-off your leaders. Besides if we wanted to end the war, we would not have extended it today.
evillives	Posted - 2006.05.06 05:56:00 - [206] Edited by: evillives on 06/05/2006 05:58:11 Wheres a forum necro when you need one i seem to remember when i was Curse Alliance a very similar thing happened =P Of course the original CC had a charter somewhere on these forums =P But as for CC its definatly not a new name to the region its in first came Curse Coalition then the Curse Alliance and now apparently someone brought CC back from teh dead =P Of course this is when Tyrell corp was in the Stain Alliance and was all anti-pirate funny how those guys (post fall of the curse alliance) are doing the exact same thing we did then (cough hippocracy anyone cough) And yeah im posting with an alt cus my main just cant handle a gank blob of tyrell members ;)
DogTyred	Posted - 2006.05.06 07:45:00 - [207] Our policies when we were in Stain were very similar to the ones we have now, the difference is there were fewer routes in and out and therefore fewer visits by nuetral entities, the addition of extra routes to 0.0 has made security harder to achieve but also more fun . At no time has shooting hostiles been considered piracy.
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.05.06 08:09:00 - [208] Originally by: DogTyred At no time has shooting hostiles been considered piracy. My unarmed hauler is filled with nucular weapons!!! I think I might even be able to punch a hole in the armor of your Rifter with my unarmed hauler's tracking beam! Oh yea, I was looking for the Domi loss you guys gave me a long time ago on your killboard and I couldn't find it. Does your board archive killmails after a time?
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:03:00 - [209] Originally by: Jacob Majestic Originally by: DogTyred At no time has shooting hostiles been considered piracy. My unarmed hauler is filled with nucular weapons!!! I think I might even be able to punch a hole in the armor of your Rifter with my unarmed hauler's tracking beam! Oh yea, I was looking for the Domi loss you guys gave me a long time ago on your killboard and I couldn't find it. Does your board archive killmails after a time? We got a new killboard and with that decided to start new, only kills/losses after 22/4 (the day the killboard went up) are supposed to be present. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bollibompa	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:04:00 - [210] They dont post all their kills or deaths, especially not the deaths. They dont post their kills involving fighterdrones, for example, and not either several new t2 ships, lol.
Logan Williams	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:42:00 - [211] I too was in Curse Coalition for a little while. I was told to "Gank at all cost no matter who or where they are!!" Fade from dream sequence and lying awake in bed Actually man, you're clueless. I remember going to empire one night and was specifically going to go do some pirating. It wasn't a big group, just myself and two other guys from B-B. It was later decided, in one of those alliance meetings that you imply never happened, that pirating was bad and that NOBODY in alliance was to go to empire and shoot "clear" for ANY reason. As far as the history of the matter goes, you're clueless. (I'm seeing a pattern here) When ISS first moved out there, they ran haulers through Curse with no regard as to who was there, why they were there, or the advantage that some would-be Coalition enemies might get from having a "neutral" station so close to Curse. NBSI = "Not Blue Shoot It". By the third day in alliance you should have figured that out. (Here's that "clueless" concept again) If you had such "moral" issues with shooting noobs in empire why did you go to empire looking for easy noob kills? You, as a player, should know that the newer players will prolly stay closer to and in to empire. Yet, YOU sir chose to fire and cost that guy his first Raven. As far as your chosen new "friends", if you knew their history of "petty pirating and griefing" (I think that's how Velios put it) in Unertek (neutrals included) you might not be so happy to run and join them. in short, get a clue man.
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:49:00 - [212] Originally by: Bollibompa They dont post all their kills or deaths, especially not the deaths. They dont post their kills involving fighterdrones, for example, and not either several new t2 ships, lol. Have you ever seen a 100% accurate killboard? They don't exist. We ask (beg) our members to post all kills and losses and there isn't much more we can do, we are not going to start kicking members out just because they don't post their mails. One reason we decided to start new from 22/4 was the inaccuracy of our older boards. If you have any missing mails just evemail them to me or any other CC director and we will make sure they are added. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mynas Atoch	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:58:00 - [213] Originally by: Hoshi If you have any missing mails just evemail them to me or any other CC director and we will make sure they are added. I'm afraid I can't do that as every kill and death I have been involved in is already on your board. That red font does my head in, though :( Kicking sounds a bit harsh, but I read that some corps fine players for failing to post kills/deaths.
Bollibompa	Posted - 2006.05.06 12:06:00 - [214] Originally by: Hoshi Have you ever seen a 100% accurate killboard? They don't exist. We ask (beg) our members to post all kills and losses and there isn't much more we can do, we are not going to start kicking members out just because they don't post their mails. One reason we decided to start new from 22/4 was the inaccuracy of our older boards. If you have any missing mails just evemail them to me or any other CC director and we will make sure they are added. No I wont, as you stated yourself, you have already started to trying to fix that.
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.06 12:44:00 - [215] wow ISS are good at making alts to smack first of all the new killboard has been up for a week or two about the time the war started ... If you see a kill that isnt posted take it up with that person and smack them about it .. This topic has really gone downhill really but hitts its low with theese damn alts being used to keep the fire burning .. Frankly its abit insulting and lowers your own views when every single one of CC has the CC tag on ..
Bollibompa	Posted - 2006.05.06 14:05:00 - [216] Originally by: Valkazm wow ISS are good at making alts to smack first of all the new killboard has been up for a week or two about the time the war started ... If you see a kill that isnt posted take it up with that person and smack them about it .. This topic has really gone downhill really but hitts its low with theese damn alts being used to keep the fire burning .. Frankly its abit insulting and lowers your own views when every single one of CC has the CC tag on .. orly....
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.05.06 18:01:00 - [217] Originally by: Valkazm wow ISS are good at making alts to smack first of all the new killboard has been up for a week or two about the time the war started ... If you see a kill that isnt posted take it up with that person and smack them about it .. This topic has really gone downhill really but hitts its low with theese damn alts being used to keep the fire burning .. Frankly its abit insulting and lowers your own views when every single one of CC has the CC tag on .. Err, I was talking about a loss that happened six months ago -- you know, me getting exploded by you? I was just curious, that's all. And I don't post with alts
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.07 01:00:00 - [218] Alright m8 wasent refering to should have qouted i guess ..
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.07 14:05:00 - [219] just ______________________
James Snowscoran	Posted - 2006.05.08 08:56:00 - [220] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Bollibompa They dont post all their kills or deaths, especially not the deaths. They dont post their kills involving fighterdrones, for example, and not either several new t2 ships, lol. Have you ever seen a 100% accurate killboard? They don't exist. We ask (beg) our members to post all kills and losses and there isn't much more we can do, we are not going to start kicking members out just because they don't post their mails. One reason we decided to start new from 22/4 was the inaccuracy of our older boards. If you have any missing mails just evemail them to me or any other CC director and we will make sure they are added. There are corporations out there that kicks member for consistently failing to report losses, Coreli being one of them. It's a matter of internal discipline and refusing to be a haven for killboard *****s. -----
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.08 09:00:00 - [221] Originally by: Logan Williams When ISS first moved out there, they ran haulers through Curse with no regard as to who was there, why they were there, or the advantage that some would-be Coalition enemies might get from having a "neutral" station so close to Curse. When ISS first started running haulers we were blue to 5, and the Doril route was perfectly legitimate for us. Then CC started hauler ganking without any prior warning, so I suggest you get your facts straight. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.05.08 15:30:00 - [222] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Logan Williams When ISS first moved out there, they ran haulers through Curse with no regard as to who was there, why they were there, or the advantage that some would-be Coalition enemies might get from having a "neutral" station so close to Curse. When ISS first started running haulers we were blue to 5, and the Doril route was perfectly legitimate for us. Then CC started hauler ganking without any prior warning, so I suggest you get your facts straight. What does being set to blue with the 5 have to do with the member corps of CC? We're two seperate groups. Looks like you talked to the wrong people about securing passage to KDF. Which means you're the one that screwed up.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.08 16:42:00 - [223] We were blue to the owners of the pipe, then the owners moved on and CC started shooting. Everyone knows this. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Small Miner	Posted - 2006.05.08 17:31:00 - [224] Originally by: Butter Dog We were blue to the owners of the pipe, then the owners moved on and CC started shooting. Everyone knows this. And you didn't stop to think what would happen if the previous owners left. It is your own fault for not securing "the pipe" for your haulers. Through combat or diplomacy.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.05.08 21:27:00 - [225] Originally by: Butter Dog We were blue to the owners of the pipe, then the owners moved on and CC started shooting. Everyone knows this. You still telling that tired old lie? How did you determine who owned the pipe anyway? Did the tooth fairy tell you?
Xamand	Posted - 2006.05.13 05:25:00 - [226] Edited by: Xamand on 13/05/2006 05:29:38 Originally by: evillives Edited by: evillives on 06/05/2006 06:13:00 Edited by: evillives on 06/05/2006 05:58:11 Wheres a forum necro when you need one i seem to remember when i was Curse Alliance a very similar thing happened =P Of course the original CC had a charter somewhere on these forums =P But as for CC its definatly not a new name to the region its in first came Curse Coalition then the Curse Alliance and now apparently someone brought CC back from teh dead =P Of course this is when Tyrell corp was in the Stain Alliance and was all anti-pirate funny how those guys (post fall of the curse alliance) are doing the exact same thing we did then (cough hippocracy anyone cough) And yeah im posting with an alt cus my main just cant handle a gank blob of tyrell members ;) Originally by: Tara Read Ive never seen so many pilots complain and whine about being shot in 0.0? When did killing in 0.0 become "piracy" Isn't that why CCP made 0.0? So you could shoot people and not worry about concord or security status? Im confused here... If you don't like it, don't come here. Its basic game mechanics. 0.0 = Dangerous; Expect people looking to shoot YOU; not roids or NPC's. As who ever wrote tyrell corps policies when they were in teh stain alliance fighting the curse alliance calling us pirates =) No need for a forum necro, as one of the founders of Tyrell Corp I can attest to what you say. Most of those involved in writing the old Tyrell charter, myself included, left the corp when it became clear that some no longer wished to keep to the principles that Tyrell and the Curse Coaltion were founded with. The original CC was strictly anti-pirate and was set up from a couple of small alliances resident in Curse when Sinister and friends decided to take their pirating to higher levels and formed the CA. Hence Curse Alliance of Pirates :) The CC's intention was to make Curse a free space area, to allow people to come out to 0.0 to an area where they wouldn't be shot by the first ship that came along. Seems some things change :( Xamand CEO Cirrius Technologies OXIDE
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.05.13 11:49:00 - [227] Originally by: Butter Dog We were blue to the owners of the pipe, then the owners moved on and CC started shooting. Everyone knows this. Ancient history BD and inaccurate. The 5 and Tyrell shared standings while they were in the curse region and they were perfectly happy for us to police the northern borders on this basis. After they left curse we were faced with anarchy as the curse region became a free-for-all. It was with this background that the CDC and CC alliances were formed to try and stabalise the region. As you well know standings and shared standings management are difficult at the best of times - The standings we have now are, as they are. They have evolved of the last few months, they may not be perfect but there you go. Originally by: Xamand No need for a forum necro, as one of the founders of Tyrell Corp I can attest to what you say. Most of those involved in writing the old Tyrell charter, myself included, left the corp when it became clear that some no longer wished to keep to the principles that Tyrell and the Curse Coaltion were founded with. The original CC was strictly anti-pirate and was set up from a couple of small alliances resident in Curse when Sinister and friends decided to take their pirating to higher levels and formed the CA. Hence Curse Alliance of Pirates :) The CC's intention was to make Curse a free space area, to allow people to come out to 0.0 to an area where they wouldn't be shot by the first ship that came along. Seems some things change :( Sorry Xam but with all due respect you have no idea about what we have had to face over the last few months in curse - none! Tyrell still holds to all its original principles regarding piracy. There is no need to go over things again and again but those who define piracy as attacking those who have no standings are living in a dream world - That may work fine in korama Xam but out here its different. Curse is in a permenant state of war. If you come accross someone who is not flagged as a friend then we have to assume they are enemies. THIS IS NOT PIRACY! it is self preservation. On a personal note Xam to try and insinuate that the current CC or Tyrell is basically the same as the old CA is a pretty low blow. Oh yes and lets not forget here that you obvously don't have that much of a problem with our current actions considering that you have been supplying us with parts for our dreads and freighter loads of Battleships.
Xamand	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:55:00 - [228] Originally by: Rebekah Sorry Xam but with all due respect you have no idea about what we have had to face over the last few months in curse - none! Tyrell still holds to all its original principles regarding piracy. There is no need to go over things again and again but those who define piracy as attacking those who have no standings are living in a dream world - That may work fine in korama Xam but out here its different. Curse is in a permenant state of war. If you come accross someone who is not flagged as a friend then we have to assume they are enemies. THIS IS NOT PIRACY! it is self preservation. On a personal note Xam to try and insinuate that the current CC or Tyrell is basically the same as the old CA is a pretty low blow. Oh yes and lets not forget here that you obvously don't have that much of a problem with our current actions considering that you have been supplying us with parts for our dreads and freighter loads of Battleships. NRDSI - not red don't shoot it, can work in 0.0, though admittedly you will lose some ships to neutrals before realising they are hostile. As we did to the Tyrell ships that attacked our pilots in Pure Blind and Fade. Not sure how that was defending Curse, but there must have been some reasoning behind it. NRDSI just means that you have to keep an up to date standings list. Your comments about piracy are quite funny, did you actually read my post and the post I was quoting? I wasn't calling you pirates, but you do operate an aggresive NBSI policy as did the old CA. Can you remember back to two and half years ago, to the forum wars with Reclaimer and the posts by the original CC calling CA the Curse Alliance of Pirates? Originally by: Rebekah There is no need to go over things again and again but those who define piracy as attacking those who have no standings are living in a dream world I guess not. Btw, I didn't make any personal attacks, so I don't know why you are. I still have some oog friends in Tyrell. Oh, and I do have issues with how Tyrell do things, hence why I and a lot of others left and why I haven't returned to the corp I used to love. I would also hardly call selling a load of battleships to you over 6 months ago and a handful of dread parts recently, aiding and abetting. Xamand CEO Cirrius Technologies OXIDE
Phoenus	Posted - 2006.05.15 23:11:00 - [229] Edited by: Phoenus on 15/05/2006 23:13:11 Originally by: Tara Read Edited by: Tara Read on 04/05/2006 18:47:12 Edited by: Tara Read on 04/05/2006 18:45:48 Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Tara Read I dunno bout that; the MC hac's I took without them firing a shot back; had some of the worst ISHTAR fittings I've ever seen. to be honest, yours was pretty crap aswell by my standards. Each to their own though. Be careful what you say though Tara, the incident with your smack in local and then getting righteously ganked by Farjung/Tovarisch and a couple more MC and then following said ganking with more smack has brought many a smile to us on our forums i know nectar and phoenus werent smiling when i outsmarted them... Don't make me laugh. What got me killed was the poor intel on my part of not checking Rens local, not you outsmarting me. Your smack when Farjung & Co. killed you made a lot of people laugh What was it? Quote: [ 2006.04.28 05:29:50 ] Tara Read > intys = worthless ships [ 2006.04.28 05:29:54 ] Tara Read > farjun is just using you [ 2006.04.28 05:30:48 ] Tara Read > yawn [ 2006.04.28 05:31:36 ] Tara Read > zooooooom zoooooom [ 2006.04.28 05:31:39 ] Tara Read > lol [ 2006.04.28 05:31:41 ] Tara Read > <--- drunk [ 2006.04.28 05:31:47 ] Tara Read > <--- but wont **up oh, and then: Quote:** [ 2006.04.28 05:36:49 ] Tara Read > i just never been caught [ 2006.04.28 05:36:50 ] Tara Read > in months [ 2006.04.28 05:36:54 ] Tara Read > im tooooo confident [ 2006.04.28 05:37:01 ] Tara Read > my ishtar is worth 500mil [ 2006.04.28 05:37:03 ] Tara Read > come get it boys As regards fittings, the only noticable difference between your own and my own was the fact that you had T2 Berserkers and a couple more small Nos. The fitting on that Ishtar, complete with the cost of the ship, your looking at 200, maybe 250m absolutely tops. If you wish to flame and troll, in retrospect, having inspected what you lost and what I knew was obtained from the loot can, your setup sucked far more than my own Lets face it Tara, in the grand scheme of things, you are a nobody. A worthless, flaming, smacktalking nobody. And this concludes my post on these forums for the next 6 or so months Phoenus Professional Mercenary
Armetheus	Posted - 2006.05.15 23:25:00 - [230] I think this thread has more than ran it's course, several times around the block, to the local swimming pool, and then back again. Clicketh forum rules \| mailto:[email protected]

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