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Masempa	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:38:00 - [181] Originally by: Rebekah OK - I'm pretty fed up with this ISS propaganda saying that we are only killing T1 frigs and the ISS can take the losses etc. Frankly I don't care what rubbish you guys want to spout, it's mostly made up anyway so why bother. If you want to get serious lets look at the real facts about this war. Since it began (12 days ago) the curse coalition have destroyed the following ISS ships. Pods127 Frigates92 Cruisers53 Shuttles23 Battleships22 Haulers19 Battle Cruisers15 Noob Ships11 Interceptors10 Assault Frigate6 Covert ops3 Destroyers3 Mining Barge2 TOTAL386 Along with that we have also destroyed 526 other ships not from ISS. Our friends in CDC have killed over 200 ISS ships in the same period. If you don't believe it go take a look at our killboards. We have taken losses too, I am not an idiot and I am fairly certain that our killboard losses are not the whole story but If you want to challenge it, lets see the evidence - Post your CC kills here in the same way we have and lets see where the chips fall. You and others are saying that ISS can sustain all these losses - that's just peachy! Well guess what? So can we! Tyrell Corp alone could sustain all the losses of CC, CDC even ISS put together with no problem at all - ISS is NOT the only group in the universe that has ways to make isk. Lets keep up the good work CC! You speak as if the ISS has been throwing there main assualt fleets at you daily? We know what your maxium fielded fleet strength can be, do you know the ISS's? Then ask, how many times have you come against a fully fielded ISS group? Then ask, how many times has ISS come against fully fielded CC group? We place our inexperianced members in full view of your big guns - then you boast on the eve forums for your kill to loss ratio. Well dones guys
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:01:00 - [182] Originally by: Masempa Originally by: Rebekah OK - I'm pretty fed up with this ISS propaganda saying that we are only killing T1 frigs and the ISS can take the losses etc. Frankly I don't care what rubbish you guys want to spout, it's mostly made up anyway so why bother. If you want to get serious lets look at the real facts about this war. Since it began (12 days ago) the curse coalition have destroyed the following ISS ships. Pods127 Frigates92 Cruisers53 Shuttles23 Battleships22 Haulers19 Battle Cruisers15 Noob Ships11 Interceptors10 Assault Frigate6 Covert ops3 Destroyers3 Mining Barge2 TOTAL386 Along with that we have also destroyed 526 other ships not from ISS. Our friends in CDC have killed over 200 ISS ships in the same period. If you don't believe it go take a look at our killboards. We have taken losses too, I am not an idiot and I am fairly certain that our killboard losses are not the whole story but If you want to challenge it, lets see the evidence - Post your CC kills here in the same way we have and lets see where the chips fall. You and others are saying that ISS can sustain all these losses - that's just peachy! Well guess what? So can we! Tyrell Corp alone could sustain all the losses of CC, CDC even ISS put together with no problem at all - ISS is NOT the only group in the universe that has ways to make isk. Lets keep up the good work CC! You speak as if the ISS has been throwing there main assualt fleets at you daily? We know what your maxium fielded fleet strength can be, do you know the ISS's? Then ask, how many times have you come against a fully fielded ISS group? Then ask, how many times has ISS come against fully fielded CC group? We place our inexperianced members in full view of your big guns - then you boast on the eve forums for your kill to loss ratio. Well dones guys Nice Logic - "We can outgun you but we never have and choose not to" - hmmmmm, prove it! Let's see what you can bring out to play. I'm looking forward to it already!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:06:00 - [183] Originally by: Rebekah Nice Logic - "We can outgun you but we never have and choose not to" - hmmmmm, prove it! Let's see what you can bring out to play. I'm looking forward to it already! I think what he is saying is: we just don't care. We've got more important things to do, you see. ISS is an alliance with far-reaching goals, and what we do fundamentally changes EVE forever. If all you can do is point to killboards and say 'look everyone!' well.. then I would just turn around, point to that huge outpost we built last week and say 'I think you'll find this slightly more impressive to look at'. ISS is an amazing organisation to be a part off. The losses you inflict are completely insignificant, CC are a small sideshow. We however seem to be your reason for playing EVE, which is both flattering and disturbing in equal meansure. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Pattern Clarc	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:06:00 - [184] Originally by: Rebekah Originally by: Masempa Originally by: Rebekah OK - I'm pretty fed up with this ISS propaganda saying that we are only killing T1 frigs and the ISS can take the losses etc. Frankly I don't care what rubbish you guys want to spout, it's mostly made up anyway so why bother. If you want to get serious lets look at the real facts about this war. Since it began (12 days ago) the curse coalition have destroyed the following ISS ships. Pods127 Frigates92 Cruisers53 Shuttles23 Battleships22 Haulers19 Battle Cruisers15 Noob Ships11 Interceptors10 Assault Frigate6 Covert ops3 Destroyers3 Mining Barge2 TOTAL386 Along with that we have also destroyed 526 other ships not from ISS. Our friends in CDC have killed over 200 ISS ships in the same period. If you don't believe it go take a look at our killboards. We have taken losses too, I am not an idiot and I am fairly certain that our killboard losses are not the whole story but If you want to challenge it, lets see the evidence - Post your CC kills here in the same way we have and lets see where the chips fall. You and others are saying that ISS can sustain all these losses - that's just peachy! Well guess what? So can we! Tyrell Corp alone could sustain all the losses of CC, CDC even ISS put together with no problem at all - ISS is NOT the only group in the universe that has ways to make isk. Lets keep up the good work CC! You speak as if the ISS has been throwing there main assualt fleets at you daily? We know what your maxium fielded fleet strength can be, do you know the ISS's? Then ask, how many times have you come against a fully fielded ISS group? Then ask, how many times has ISS come against fully fielded CC group? We place our inexperianced members in full view of your big guns - then you boast on the eve forums for your kill to loss ratio. Well dones guys Nice Logic - "We can outgun you but we never have and choose not to" - hmmmmm, prove it! Let's see what you can bring out to play. I'm looking forward to it already! We've brought 40% srtength strike groups to Doril plenty of times. And you dock? We'd love to field a fully fitted fleet against one of yours, alas, we have more important things to do at the moment
Velios	Posted - 2006.05.05 00:13:00 - [185] Excellent retort Butter Dog, I would have been proud of that myself Never were truer words spoken on these forums my friend. M.Corp BPC Packages
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.05 00:42:00 - [186] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rebekah Nice Logic - "We can outgun you but we never have and choose not to" - hmmmmm, prove it! Let's see what you can bring out to play. I'm looking forward to it already! I think what he is saying is: we just don't care. We've got more important things to do, you see. ISS is an alliance with far-reaching goals, and what we do fundamentally changes EVE forever. If all you can do is point to killboards and say 'look everyone!' well.. then I would just turn around, point to that huge outpost we built last week and say 'I think you'll find this slightly more impressive to look at'. ISS is an amazing organisation to be a part off. The losses you inflict are completely insignificant, CC are a small sideshow. We however seem to be your reason for playing EVE, which is both flattering and disturbing in equal meansure. yup butters does a good job singlehandadly praising him self all we are missing now is ISS butters station .. and a statute pointing at it with the text underneath look what i built looook god damn you look at it ... oh and in that fantasy dont forget to have a statue pointing at the gate that leads to curse to warn everyone for curse insignifact kills that are so insignifact to hire mercs for ..
Uggster	Posted - 2006.05.05 01:13:00 - [187] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rebekah Nice Logic - "We can outgun you but we never have and choose not to" - hmmmmm, prove it! Let's see what you can bring out to play. I'm looking forward to it already! I think what he is saying is: we just don't care. We've got more important things to do, you see. ISS is an alliance with far-reaching goals, and what we do fundamentally changes EVE forever. If all you can do is point to killboards and say 'look everyone!' well.. then I would just turn around, point to that huge outpost we built last week and say 'I think you'll find this slightly more impressive to look at'. ISS is an amazing organisation to be a part off. The losses you inflict are completely insignificant, CC are a small sideshow. We however seem to be your reason for playing EVE, which is both flattering and disturbing in equal meansure. I'm begining to like this guy
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:30:00 - [188] Edited by: Jacob Majestic on 05/05/2006 06:30:33 Originally by: Valkazm yup butters does a good job singlehandadly praising him self all we are missing now is ISS butters station .. and a statute pointing at it with the text underneath look what i built looook god damn you look at it ... oh and in that fantasy dont forget to have a statue pointing at the gate that leads to curse to warn everyone for curse insignifact kills that are so insignifact to hire mercs for .. I actually got done fitting T2 Butter Dog statues to the front of the outpost in KDF. I think the shine that comes off his bald head captures his personality quite well. Why don't you come see it? I'd like it even better if you brought friends. I'll name my ship Primary Target.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:23:00 - [189] Originally by: Butter Dog The difference being, thats just an average fortnight for the ISS. Its business as usual as we are still making money and building outposts across the four corners of EVE. We are still achieving everything we wish, plus fighting you. Its all good in the ISS right now :) Baghdad Butter, I'm not sure sure about that. Another corp left your Alliance today. Now, I realize that a lot of corps are quitting only to rejoin later, but the longer they are out of your corp the more they may decide to go elsewhere. I'm willing to bet when this war is over at the end of June, there will be a few less corps that come back. As for gaining new members, I do see your ranks swelling, but this is in only a few corps and I have a feeling many are joining just so they can fight and when the war is over we're going to see a mad exodus.
Minamoto noYoritomo	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:30:00 - [190] I thought that posting killmails and/or links to killmails was a bannable offense... looks like both sides are guilty of this so far also i keep seeing people mentioning cdc who are these people and how come no one ever speaks from them does cc make the decsions for them to or are they just some puppet group of cc's?

Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:37:00 - [191] Originally by: Valkazm Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rebekah I think what he is saying is: we just don't care. We've got more important things to do, you see. The losses you inflict are completely insignificant Baghdad Butters, If all this were true, then there would not have been three merc corps thrown against us. The fact is you do care. As much as you pound on the wall and say you don't, you do. Otherwise you would not be forum whoring saying you DON'T care. My greatest wonder is if you care that the entire eve universe laughs at the letters ISSN. Do you care that the best tactic ISSN can come up with is sucide frigs whose only real goal seems to teach is members how to keep their pods up-to-date? Do you care that the last real engagement of large ships you brought against us were destroyed in detail without a loss on our side. Would you like me to describe how your interdictor pilot condemed every ship there to death, then warped to the gate without an insta and committed sucide for what he had done? Saying you don't care is the worst kind of propaganda - because it's a lie and everyone can see right through it.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:41:00 - [192] Wwhisper, how many times do we have to tell you the same thing before you understand it? We have not hired MC specifically against you. They were hired to assist us in constructing three outposts - thats 110bn ISK of investment. Thats why we hired them. They wardecced you because CC are close to KDF, and on our KOS list. They made the decision to wardec you, not us. And they would be welcome to wardec anyone else on our -10 list they choose. They need something to do when they are not egg-warming after all. We're only too happy to let them play with our KOS list, but stop this delusion now - MC were not hired 'against you' they were hired to provide extra security for the numerous freighter runs needed, and outpost eggs being deployed in the coming weeks. Comprende? ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:49:00 - [193] Originally by: Butter Dog Wwhisper, how many times do we have to tell you the same thing before you understand it? We have not hired MC specifically against you. They were hired to assist us in constructing three outposts - thats 110bn ISK of investment. Thats why we hired them. They wardecced you because CC are close to KDF, and on our KOS list. They made the decision to wardec you, not us. And they would be welcome to wardec anyone else on our -10 list they choose. They need something to do when they are not egg-warming after all. We're only too happy to let them play with our KOS list, but stop this delusion now - MC were not hired 'against you' they were hired to provide extra security for the numerous freighter runs needed, and outpost eggs being deployed in the coming weeks. Comprende? Dear Baghdad Butters, Say what you like, the result is still the same. You hired THREE Merc corps that have attacked CC. Battle Angles and Atomic were hired to specifically attack us. It doesn't matter if the MC war-decked us or not, you still hired them to protect you. Besides, that was not the point of the last post. The point was that you LIE when you say you don't care. The fact is you DO care otherwise...well I already said what I needed to say in the last post, you just chose to try and ingore it and divert attention from it by coming up with something unrelated.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:58:00 - [194] Wwhisper, what is it exactly that I'm supposed to care about? You killing ISS ships? Your very occasional gank squads that visit KDF and stay 5 minutes? What exactly? Let me tell you something, and this is speaking as a PvPer not a diplomat: we in the ISSN don't want an NAP with CC. We want the fights. We want to hone our skills against you. If the ISS political leadership do come to an NAP, we will of course respect that, but from the military perspective.... well, thats a different story. So please, stop deluding yourself that I 'care' because quite honestly the ISS is bigger than a little fight with CC. You only have to look at what ISS has achieved to see that. ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:11:00 - [195] Originally by: Butter Dog Wwhisper, what is it exactly that I'm supposed to care about? You killing ISS ships? Your very occasional gank squads that visit KDF and stay 5 minutes? What exactly? Let me tell you something, and this is speaking as a PvPer not a diplomat: we in the ISSN don't want an NAP with CC. We want the fights. We want to hone our skills against you. If the ISS political leadership do come to an NAP, we will of course respect that, but from the military perspective.... well, thats a different story. So please, stop deluding yourself that I 'care' because quite honestly the ISS is bigger than a little fight with CC. You only have to look at what ISS has achieved to see that. Baghdad Butters, Speaking as a pvper? Now there is a laugh. Throwing large squads of sucide frigs does not make you a pvper. It makes you and the ISSN a laughing stock. I will grant you that the ISS as a whole may have acheived some mesure of success at what they don best, but the only thing the ISSN has acheived is to become the butt of all jokes. You should have been fired a long time ago and a real fighter put in your place.
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:49:00 - [196] when I was a child, I'd mock people's names. I'm glad I grew out of that level of immaturity.
Pride NL	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:07:00 - [197] ISSN is the militairy part of the ISS. People should look into the goals of that corporation and then think about it. We are not their to fight the wars, thats just a bonus. The rest is up to your investigating mind.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 20:23:00 - [198] Originally by: Vincent Gaines when I was a child, I'd mock people's names. I'm glad I grew out of that level of immaturity. That's the best you can do? I'm not mocking his name, I'm making a statement. In some of the most ancient text known to humans, if you search back into earth history you'll find a guy that used to be called Baghdad Bob. I suggest you go find a holoreal of this text and read up on baghdad bob. I understand they used to have whole sites devoted to this deluded indivdual. Next time you post something, try to come up with a better attempt at an insult.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.05 20:26:00 - [199] Originally by: Pride NL ISSN is the militairy part of the ISS. People should look into the goals of that corporation and then think about it. We are not their to fight the wars, thats just a bonus. The rest is up to your investigating mind. If the ISS Navy is not their to fight wars or provide some sort of protection, they why call yourself a Navy. Why not the ISSSQ - ISS (sucide squad). I think your right, your not there to fight wars, but to improve clone vats everywhere.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:13:00 - [200] Originally by: Butter Dog I think what he is saying is: we just don't care. We've got more important things to do, you see. ISS is an alliance with far-reaching goals, and what we do fundamentally changes EVE forever. If all you can do is point to killboards and say 'look everyone!' well.. then I would just turn around, point to that huge outpost we built last week and say 'I think you'll find this slightly more impressive to look at'. ISS is an amazing organisation to be a part off. The losses you inflict are completely insignificant, CC are a small sideshow. We however seem to be your reason for playing EVE, which is both flattering and disturbing in equal meansure. I'd be impressed but I've played for a long time and have seen big mouth industrial alliances with giant eve changing plans come and go. So here, have a yawn....

Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:13:00 - [201] Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 05/05/2006 21:13:52 Originally by: Wwhisper That's the best you can do? I'm not mocking his name, I'm making a statement. In some of the most ancient text known to humans, if you search back into earth history you'll find a guy that used to be called Baghdad Bob. I suggest you go find a holoreal of this text and read up on baghdad bob. I understand they used to have whole sites devoted to this deluded indivdual. Next time you post something, try to come up with a better attempt at an insult. Who said I'm insulting anyone? I'm mearly making a statement. How you react says more than what you're saying. In addition, how you act and what you say reflects upon your corporation and alliance, even if you have no intention of doing so. As such I won't make any statements regarding what's going on between CC and ISS, it is not my place. You continually berate ISS on one hand when on the other it's stated that diplomatic channels have been opened. I just find it interesting. Once again, you assumed I was insulting you when I was mearly pointing out your choice of pronouns.
Pride NL	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:11:00 - [202] Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: Pride NL ISSN is the militairy part of the ISS. People should look into the goals of that corporation and then think about it. We are not their to fight the wars, thats just a bonus. The rest is up to your investigating mind. If the ISS Navy is not their to fight wars or provide some sort of protection, they why call yourself a Navy. Why not the ISSSQ - ISS (sucide squad). I think your right, your not there to fight wars, but to improve clone vats everywhere. As said, first look for our actual goals. Then post stupid comments.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.06 00:44:00 - [203] Who said I'm insulting anyone? I'm mearly making a statement. How you react says more than what you're saying. In addition, how you act and what you say reflects upon your corporation and alliance, even if you have no intention of doing so. As such I won't make any statements regarding what's going on between CC and ISS, it is not my place. You continually berate ISS on one hand when on the other it's stated that diplomatic channels have been opened. I just find it interesting. Once again, you assumed I was insulting you when I was mearly pointing out your choice of pronouns. --------------------------------- Oh please, You were trying to be insulting and anyone who reads your statement can see it as well. If you're going to be insulting at least be a man about it. By trying to pretend you were not you are no better then the frig sucide ships that are pretending to be a fleet (incase you are wondering that was intended to be an insult - I don't insult and pretend I don't) Frankly, like Baghdad Butters I don't want an end of the war. I want to continue to kill your fleet until forced to stop by my corp and alliance. So I don't really care if it ****es-off your leaders.
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:06:00 - [204] Originally by: Wwhisper Oh please, You were trying to be insulting and anyone who reads your statement can see it as well. If you're going to be insulting at least be a man about it. By trying to pretend you were not you are no better then the frig sucide ships that are pretending to be a fleet (incase you are wondering that was intended to be an insult - I don't insult and pretend I don't) ok Frankly, like Baghdad Butters I don't want an end of the war. I want to continue to kill your fleet until forced to stop by my corp and alliance. So I don't really care if it ****es-off your leaders.
Wwhisper	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:22:00 - [205] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: Wwhisper Oh please, You were trying to be insulting and anyone who reads your statement can see it as well. If you're going to be insulting at least be a man about it. By trying to pretend you were not you are no better then the frig sucide ships that are pretending to be a fleet (incase you are wondering that was intended to be an insult - I don't insult and pretend I don't) ok Frankly, like Baghdad Butters I don't want an end of the war. I want to continue to kill your fleet until forced to stop by my corp and alliance. So I don't really care if it ****es-off your leaders. Besides if we wanted to end the war, we would not have extended it today.
evillives	Posted - 2006.05.06 05:56:00 - [206] Edited by: evillives on 06/05/2006 05:58:11 Wheres a forum necro when you need one i seem to remember when i was Curse Alliance a very similar thing happened =P Of course the original CC had a charter somewhere on these forums =P But as for CC its definatly not a new name to the region its in first came Curse Coalition then the Curse Alliance and now apparently someone brought CC back from teh dead =P Of course this is when Tyrell corp was in the Stain Alliance and was all anti-pirate funny how those guys (post fall of the curse alliance) are doing the exact same thing we did then (cough hippocracy anyone cough) And yeah im posting with an alt cus my main just cant handle a gank blob of tyrell members ;)
DogTyred	Posted - 2006.05.06 07:45:00 - [207] Our policies when we were in Stain were very similar to the ones we have now, the difference is there were fewer routes in and out and therefore fewer visits by nuetral entities, the addition of extra routes to 0.0 has made security harder to achieve but also more fun . At no time has shooting hostiles been considered piracy.
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.05.06 08:09:00 - [208] Originally by: DogTyred At no time has shooting hostiles been considered piracy. My unarmed hauler is filled with nucular weapons!!! I think I might even be able to punch a hole in the armor of your Rifter with my unarmed hauler's tracking beam! Oh yea, I was looking for the Domi loss you guys gave me a long time ago on your killboard and I couldn't find it. Does your board archive killmails after a time?
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:03:00 - [209] Originally by: Jacob Majestic Originally by: DogTyred At no time has shooting hostiles been considered piracy. My unarmed hauler is filled with nucular weapons!!! I think I might even be able to punch a hole in the armor of your Rifter with my unarmed hauler's tracking beam! Oh yea, I was looking for the Domi loss you guys gave me a long time ago on your killboard and I couldn't find it. Does your board archive killmails after a time? We got a new killboard and with that decided to start new, only kills/losses after 22/4 (the day the killboard went up) are supposed to be present. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bollibompa	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:04:00 - [210] They dont post all their kills or deaths, especially not the deaths. They dont post their kills involving fighterdrones, for example, and not either several new t2 ships, lol.



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