This seems to be the bigger problem.

The fact you have reimbursed some of these losses is a terrible indictment of the current state of the game.

That is seriously FUC*ED up if CCP reimbursed losses from this tactic. I guess kicking and screaming and threatening to quit (which they would not) has CCP acting irrationally.

Who said anything about throwing the characters away? Are you against the use of free character slots for amusing purposes?

I do not support using throwaway alts. I was suggesting a way for players who run incursions with their main characters to have some fun without being blacklisted from the main incursion channels.

Greifing on my main all day erry day

Confirming I will not be recycling my 60M sp main because of the sec hit. I guess I'll just kill some rats... and then go back to killing Logi

Theres also no way to report them lol which is what makes this all just damn funny

AFAIK, creating alt to suicide gank, getting to -5 then biomassing them to create a new alt to take to -5 to then biomass them is not ok. Creating an alt to do this on is ok.

Originally by: GM GrimmiHi everybody,
Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple.

Can anyone provide details here please.

Are you saying that Suicide Jamming losses have been replaced? That's wrong IF it happened.

I think CCP should stop running incursions in Toys r Us and start to hold them in a particular section of EVE- Doril - Jorund - Hemin - RMOC-W - KQ-WHE - CL-85V - 8G-MQV.

That way, the rest of us can come along and say "hello" to all the brave capsuleers that are keeping us safe from Sansha.

[quote=Apollo Gabriel]The issue, is that despite it NOT being ever declared an exploit AND it being "working as intended" there have been reimbursements for losses to ships in Incursions that were ganked using the can flip aggro trick.

Or rather, I have heard a LOT of people say they have been reimbursed (including an IRL friend) who I have no reason to believe were lying.

Which is ****** up. Reimbursing losses to people who were the victim of an exploit is one thing, but this was NOT declared an exploit. It was declared a "game mechanics change" which semantically suggests the (valid) game mechanics were one way, and are now another.

I request a proof.

*laughs at all the hurt nullbears*

God ... CCP has truly managed to turn EVE all around.
Gotta love 'em!

I don't care what anyone says. If this isn't nullbear tears then I for sure am the queen of England.
*takes out the dusty old tear jar and let's it fill up with delicious golden nullbear tears*

Do you even read? Learn how to take someone agreeing with you without getting all defensive.

Also, on your second point:



You're totally correct that starting a buddy account and suicide ganking on it isn't grief play. However, if you PLEX it for one month of training, suicide to -5 and then throw away the account, then create a new one for the same purpose it is.

@Zackgar: Nice ninja edit. Seems we're in complete agreement, so why don't you quit whining about someone bringing up a legitimate concerns regarding an exploit?

*tactic*

If this is such a "legitimate concern" for you I suggest you head over to the CSM pages and petition for them to remove the buddy account system as well as the biomass button.

Also, please feel free to petition LFARM leadership, we love ganking people and seeing as we started playing at the same time, and have moved to the same corps at the same time, we must be using exploits

Trollin'

Therefore, CCP, make highsec SAFER!
REMOVE CONCORD!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I don't think "keep" means what you think it means, given I've only used the word "trolling" once.

Kinda this - Income from highsec incursions needs some serious tweaking. I can earn a days worth of missioning isk in an hour or two in an incursion. I can earn a plex in a leisurely evening running them. Thats one months sub covered in one evening, easily. No wonder the economy is ******.

The lowsec/nullsec ones never get done other than "for the lulz" by the locals. There is no point in risking it, you can earn big in highsec anyway. Bring them down to level 4 isk earning - that way you have the choice, run missions alone or join a group and be social either way, you'l earn the same. The level of earning people enjoy in highsec at the moment should only be available in lowsec/nullsec, the risk/reward balance is WAY off.

IMO every activity in eve should pay out in a good of some sort that people need, not straight ISK. That way the market automatically sets the profitability correctly. If it becomes too profitable, more people flood in to do it, the market gets over supplied with that good, and profitability drops. If profitability gets too low, people go do other things and it automatically comes back up. Bounties and ISK rewards break that mechanic. If CCP just sets the bounty amount too low or too high, the market can't correct it. Or at least, the only way the market can correct it is through inflation, but that just messes everything else up.

Generic LP rewards are better than ISK in that regard, but not a lot better. It artificially ties the profitability of missions and incursions together, which isn't optimal. Different values for LP might be optimal for each.

IMO CCP should remove bounties for NPCs entirely, remove all ISK mission rewards, and replace them with something else that can be converted into something tradeable that people need. Maybe you get a particular faction's LP for killing specific kinds of rats and you get concorde LP only for incursions, but new cool rewards are added to the concorde lp store. Every profession should have a free floating, market driven, profitability level. CCP would still be vaguely setting the profitability level by determining whether it pays out in a good that is in high demand or low demand and whatnot, but within those parameters it will self correct. Hard coded profitability levels are bound to go wrong every time.

I think CCP should stop running incursions in Toys r Us and start to hold them in a particular section of EVE- Doril - Jorund - Hemin - RMOC-W - KQ-WHE - CL-85V - 8G-MQV.

That way, the rest of us can come along and say "hello" to all the brave capsuleers that are keeping us safe from Sansha.