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Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:17:00 -
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Corp/alliance bans 11/14/2011
From: carmelos53
Sent: 2011.11.13 18:14
To: Public incursion blacklist,
Kill It With Fire - now added due to blackbird suicide jamming
Snap to it CCP. Like GM Hormone said, there is no warning for Incursion runners of this threat, so there is no way to protect against, therefore it's an exploit against Incursion runners.
THE ISK FOUNTAIN MUST NOT BE STOPPED. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
178
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:20:00 -
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You have the same ammount of immunity as everyone. |
Blood Fart
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:25:00 -
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Yes we need immediate action to close this exploit.
Only guns should work on other players in high sec unless that also starts to plug up the isk geyser. High sec should be safe from these types of things. |
Abrazzar
322
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:31:00 -
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I demand 1 ISK per SP per hour I remain docked safely in the station in highsec. I should not be required to risk anything in highsec when I make ISK for my PLEXes. Especially not my precious PvE officer fit faction ships.
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:39:00 -
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I demand that all highsec pvp should be nerfed , further to my demands I want all nebulas to be pink and fluffy, stations to be covered in glitter and have pictures of ponies on the outside and incursion runners to be wrappped up in soft flufffy cotton wool.
These demands must be met or I will ragequit and sign up for a Hello Kitty Online account. |
Sakurako Kimino
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:46:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:Corp/alliance bans 11/14/2011
From: carmelos53
Sent: 2011.11.13 18:14
To: Public incursion blacklist,
Kill It With Fire - now added due to blackbird suicide jamming
Snap to it CCP. Like GM Hormone said, there is no warning for Incursion runners of this threat, so there is no way to protect against, therefore it's an exploit against Incursion runners.
THE ISK FOUNTAIN MUST NOT BE STOPPED.
can you link to where GM Hormone said no warning for incursions runners?
eve is about sin |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
Bloodbound.
22
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:47:00 -
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I demand that all "wana-be" hi-sec pvper bears be forced to actually pvp, as in shoot those who are only too happy and able to shoot back, rather then the current "shoot everyone as long as they can't shoot back" that passes for pvp in hi-sec.
Well done CCP for making Eve Online harder; only real pvper's will be left once all these bears have been forced out because the game is too hard for them.
Bravo o7
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg |
Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:56:00 -
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Sakurako Kimino wrote:can you link to where GM Hormone said no warning for incursions runners?
Does matter where or if?
The scenario is pretty selfexplaining. All they have time for is to notice a neutral on grid and pray they are out of range, before logistics locks are broken and blocked for 20s. 20s without remote reps, and usually no local tank, is a long time with a incursion hammering the fleet.
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Arklan1
Dunedain Rangers
WUT ALLIANCE
9
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:02:00 -
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Ariane VoxDei wrote:Sakurako Kimino wrote:can you link to where GM Hormone said no warning for incursions runners? Does matter where or if? The scenario is pretty selfexplaining. All they have time for is to notice a neutral on grid and pray they are out of range, before logistics locks are broken and blocked for 20s. 20s without remote reps, and usually no local tank, is a long time with a incursion hammering the fleet.
heh... having ran a few incursions myself - i gotta say, my first reaction to reading this was "hah! that's awesome!" ah, good ol' eve, always a way to **** someone over. i love it. |
Abrazzar
323
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:03:00 -
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Ariane VoxDei wrote:Sakurako Kimino wrote:can you link to where GM Hormone said no warning for incursions runners? Does matter where or if? The scenario is pretty selfexplaining. All they have time for is to notice a neutral on grid and pray they are out of range, before logistics locks are broken and blocked for 20s. 20s without remote reps, and usually no local tank, is a long time with a incursion hammering the fleet.
I wonder how PvP fleets can manage with their logistics getting permajammed by a lone blackbird.
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
311
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:07:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Ariane VoxDei wrote:Sakurako Kimino wrote:can you link to where GM Hormone said no warning for incursions runners? Does matter where or if? The scenario is pretty selfexplaining. All they have time for is to notice a neutral on grid and pray they are out of range, before logistics locks are broken and blocked for 20s. 20s without remote reps, and usually no local tank, is a long time with a incursion hammering the fleet. I wonder how PvP fleets can manage with their logistics getting permajammed by a lone blackbird.
a dozen ec-300s?
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
mkint
326
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:08:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Ariane VoxDei wrote:Sakurako Kimino wrote:can you link to where GM Hormone said no warning for incursions runners? Does matter where or if? The scenario is pretty selfexplaining. All they have time for is to notice a neutral on grid and pray they are out of range, before logistics locks are broken and blocked for 20s. 20s without remote reps, and usually no local tank, is a long time with a incursion hammering the fleet. I wonder how PvP fleets can manage with their logistics getting permajammed by a lone blackbird.
An incursion griefing blackbird doesn't need to fit tank or weapons, or even a mix of ECM types. Just needs a 2:1 ratio of amarr:gallente/caldari:minmatar, or scout out the target fleet in advance (which is trivial to do) and just fit for what they've got, plus the lowslot and rig modules.
Everyone at CCP keeps deciding ECM sucks as a game mechanic, but they never bother to make it not suck. Why is that? WTB ECM that reduces your targeting slots by 1. |
Warzon3
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:41:00 -
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ohhhh god now THAT is a sweet way to kill incursion runners just jam there logi's :D |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
323
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:46:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:Corp/alliance bans 11/14/2011
From: carmelos53
Sent: 2011.11.13 18:14
To: Public incursion blacklist,
Kill It With Fire - now added due to blackbird suicide jamming
Snap to it CCP. Like GM Hormone said, there is no warning for Incursion runners of this threat, so there is no way to protect against, therefore it's an exploit against Incursion runners.
THE ISK FOUNTAIN MUST NOT BE STOPPED.
Congratulations, you just convinced me to fly to highsec and hunt you down. I can't believe there are people this risk-adverse. How do you even function in real life? |
Sakurako Kimino
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:48:00 -
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Ariane VoxDei wrote:Sakurako Kimino wrote:can you link to where GM Hormone said no warning for incursions runners? Does matter where or if? The scenario is pretty selfexplaining. All they have time for is to notice a neutral on grid and pray they are out of range, before logistics locks are broken and blocked for 20s. 20s without remote reps, and usually no local tank, is a long time with a incursion hammering the fleet.
yes in this case it does matter the op is stating that a ccp employee has stated there is immunity for incursions runners.
I know its a play on the rr change but the op is mad that the free kill pass has been removed.
ganking as in this scenario is fine there is risk of fail and of loss ganking with out risk is not fine.
heck even goons admit that their ganking has a chance of failing slim but it is there, the rr ganking had no risk of fail.
eve is about sin |
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:51:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:I demand that all "wana-be" hi-sec pvper bears be forced to actually pvp, as in shoot those who are only too happy and able to shoot back, rather then the current "shoot everyone as long as they can't shoot back" that passes for pvp in hi-sec.
Well done CCP for making Eve Online harder; only real pvper's will be left once all these bears have been forced out because the game is too hard for them.
Bravo o7
Are you saying that Incursion runners, who shoot NPCs, should shoot something else and that making it more difficult to run Incursions will make them quit and therefore make Eve a bettter place for everyone?
If this is the case then maybe you should stop hiding behind your friends in 0.0 and try running Incursions for yourself!
Or are you saying that suicide jamming Incursion runners is wrong and want CCP to nerf ECM so that it can't be activated on a neutral target in Hisec?
If this is the case and you feel so strongly about people using this mechanic why don't you stop carebearing it up in 0.0, leave the safety of the blob and come to hisec and do something about it?
Or did you just skim the thread and decide to sperg anyway?
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mindimoo
Black Watch Guard
0
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Posted - 2011.11.13 20:14:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:Corp/alliance bans 11/14/2011
From: carmelos53
Sent: 2011.11.13 18:14
To: Public incursion blacklist,
Kill It With Fire - now added due to blackbird suicide jamming
Snap to it CCP. Like GM Hormone said, there is no warning for Incursion runners of this threat, so there is no way to protect against, therefore it's an exploit against Incursion runners.
THE ISK FOUNTAIN MUST NOT BE STOPPED.
The 1st warning is the ecm ship on dscan, 2nd is the ECM ship warping into the site, 3rd is it targeting the logi's, how many warnings you want ?
Seriously go fit the fleet properly and that BB is not going to jam out anything before conkorden does its thing, or if it does its going to be one hell of a lucky jam and then not going to be that lucky to jam out enough logi's to cause anyones death.
Why should incursion runners suddenly get to be immune and get mechanics changed to suit them. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
7
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Posted - 2011.11.13 20:35:00 -
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Now even though I think this a rather inventive way of doing things its fail anyway. Even if you manage to hit all 3 logis in one shot with a bbird your still only going to be jammed for about 6-10 secs before concord blows the bbird to smithereens. And if you are having a hard time staying alive for that long without reps theres definitely something wrong, seeing as drones will still rep if placed on you.
The only places this would really suck would be in Assaults or HQs where you can get alphad due to the high dps. VGs and below you might bleed into armor if they do it at the right time and you happen to have global aggro, lets say during the final deltole in an OTA. Anything else and the ships is blown up and your back repping like nothing happened.
But the same thing would happen if you had the niarjas jam the logis now anyway. |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
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Posted - 2011.11.13 20:35:00 -
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:
Or did you just skim the thread and decide to sperg anyway?
Yep , that's what my money is on  |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.13 20:41:00 -
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Seems like a perfectly reasonable tactic to me. Its been a standard approach to interfering in PvE fights in other MMOs for years. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.13 20:46:00 -
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Yeah, I can't say as I have a problem with this.
It may require a change in your logistics fits, or in fleet fittings, but certainly something that can be dealt with.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2011.11.13 21:11:00 -
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This is all very good and informative. However, one thing still reamains a mystery to me:
U mad?
Have you noticed how some ships are actually blue? Weird isn't it? |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
63
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Posted - 2011.11.13 21:14:00 -
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Just popping in to say a few quick things to all those incursion running bears who can not seem to understand why some of us null players want to shoot them.
1. Your endless fountain of isk generation IS PVP. You are causing inflation in the market, forcing me to pay higher prices for damn near everything these days, including keeping my accounts plexed. If your actions are having an affect on me, I have the right to act against you within the confines of the rules of the game.
2. You are currently fitting obscene amounts of needles "bling" to your incursion running ships. This not only makes you a much more interesting (IE tons of tears) but also a much more profitable target. If you are upset about losing these huge piles of isk, maybe it is time to start fitting your ships to actually be efficient in terms of cost vs effectiveness.
3. As has been pointed out before, correctly fit logi should never be jammed out by a single black bird.
4. Gankmas is coming.
Edit: Real men use a scorp to suicide incursion fleets. Jams, plus instantly nueting out all logi = hilarious and much more effective. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
297
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Posted - 2011.11.13 21:31:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I demand 1 ISK per SP per hour I remain docked safely in the station in highsec. I should not be required to risk anything in highsec when I make ISK for my PLEXes. Especially not my precious PvE officer fit faction ships.
Its call research agents.
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Tagera
Unity Systems Engineering
The Dog Pound
5
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Posted - 2011.11.13 22:16:00 -
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As someone who on occasion runs incursions...they're not faucets. They're fire hoses, a good fleet can make about a bil per person in 8 to 10 hours. I was talking to one guy a few months back. He was 3months into the game and had over 17bil saved from just doing incursions. No real risk means crap tons of profit. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.11.14 00:42:00 -
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You know, there's no warning if you jump through a gate and there's war targets on the other side... definatly petitionable by this logic.
Should we just start petitioning every loss ever? That seems like it might work. |
rareden
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.11.14 00:45:00 -
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LMAOO!!! wow carebears are pathetic, your now complaing that suicide ganking is broken and because you cant protect you selfs against it its an exploit.........wow.... its a frgin game mechanic some one shoots you unprovoked then concord kills them, doing it in an incursion is just an excellent way of suicide ganking. seriously carebears just because some one kills you its not an exploit. |
Sakurako Kimino
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 01:02:00 -
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Tagera wrote:As someone who on occasion runs incursions...they're not faucets. They're fire hoses, a good fleet can make about a bil per person in 8 to 10 hours. I was talking to one guy a few months back. He was 3months into the game and had over 17bil saved from just doing incursions. No real risk means crap tons of profit.
8-10 hours can make a bill as well in null and there is less risk due to intel.
20 minutes a sanctum 35m each is 105m a hour time ten hours 1050m plus you got faction rats as well
ohh thats not even in fleet i also almost forgot escalations
90 days aprox to 3 months thats 94.5b, 5.55 times as much just saying
eve is about sin |
Andrei Taganov
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.11.14 01:02:00 -
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Dear Incursion Bears:
The Eve community at large does not like you. Your influence on our game is not good for anyone but yourself, and your interactions with Eve add no texture to the sandbox in which we all live. The only option your senseless and incessant PvE activities offer anyone else who wants to maintain economic space-independence is running Incursions. For this reason, the greater Eve community will continuously target you and everything you hold dear.
Get over it.
~Andrei. |
Sakurako Kimino
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 01:03:00 -
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rareden wrote:LMAOO!!! wow carebears are pathetic, your now complaing that suicide ganking is broken and because you cant protect you selfs against it its an exploit.........wow.... its a frgin game mechanic some one shoots you unprovoked then concord kills them, doing it in an incursion is just an excellent way of suicide ganking. seriously carebears just because some one kills you its not an exploit.
i'll agree suicide ganking is fine, the logi none suicide ganking is not
eve is about sin |
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