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Selya
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Posted - 2006.05.23 07:03:00 -
[241]
 Originally by: NIkis
Edited by: NIkis on 22/05/2006 23:30:00
To those using 1600mm plates.. thats the heaviest of the plates so its obvious it would incur severe agil (and speed boost) penalty when fitted on any ship but a BS. So don't use the examples with 1600mm plates for comparisons please
Please read all the thread before posting, not only the first post. It takes just 5 minutes 
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Bozwick
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Posted - 2006.05.23 15:54:00 -
[242]
/Signed
Make BC agi more of a mid-point between Cruiser and BS agi, and Slightly reduce sig radius. |
Razin
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Posted - 2006.05.23 16:17:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Mr rooflez
Can't we at least get a "we've read this, and [yes/no/maybe]" reply? 
Mr rooflez,
Could you consider updating your first post with all the subsequent info (like the BS vs BC DPS and time to warp comparisons) to avoid the impression that the 1600 plates are the only issue for those that only read the first post before replying.
Thanks!
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Faeden Pain
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Posted - 2006.05.23 17:12:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Cruz
/signed
I avoid BCs because they are so slow... better to be in a BS that does 4x the DPS and only costs 2x the price.
That is exactly why I will be dumping my BC as soon as I get the chance.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.05.23 17:38:00 -
[245]
Tier one battlecruisers should be more in line with cruisers in terms of agility and sig tbh. Tier 2 can be more inline with battleships.
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Neemz
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Posted - 2006.05.23 17:54:00 -
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When I upgraded from Maller to Prophecy I was very disappointed with its tanking.
With relevant skills at the same level they have the same resistances but the prophecy has more base armor hitpoints.
The fact that it is so slow and large completely negates its extra hitpoints and infact makes it significantly worse at tanking because it takes more damage.
Fitting pulses doesn't increase the damage much over a cruiser because it takes so damn long to get into range, use lasers and you get hurt by frigs more.
Yeah it has drones but 25m3 doesn't cut it.
The maller is just more versatile, to make the prophecy 'comparable' you need to gimp it by using ALL the low slots for tanking, you need to use up a medium slot for a webber, you have no choice then to fit an afterburner, and good luck for keeping your cap running without having a cap charger filling the other mid.
And how are you meant to use it as an EW platform like that?
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K1K1R1K1
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Posted - 2006.05.23 18:20:00 -
[247]
Edited by: K1K1R1K1 on 23/05/2006 18:20:29
double post
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K1K1R1K1
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Posted - 2006.05.23 18:20:00 -
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I know its burried somewhere in this thread, but what role did CCP want the BC to fulfill? As an anti cruiser platform? It plays that role pretty well, and only that role. If it's supposed to fill the gap between cruisers and BS's, then it fails rather miserably at that. Anyone know where to find the exact words from a dev (probably patch update when the bc's were introduced) as to the role bc's are supposed to fill. If they said they're anti cruiser platforms, we should be asking for another ship to fill the gap between cruisers and bs's (maybe the new T2 bc's will do that?), not change the current bc's.
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Mr rooflez
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Posted - 2006.05.23 22:03:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Mr rooflez
Can't we at least get a "we've read this, and [yes/no/maybe]" reply?
Mr rooflez,
Could you consider updating your first post with all the subsequent info (like the BS vs BC DPS and time to warp comparisons) to avoid the impression that the 1600 plates are the only issue for those that only read the first post before replying.
Thanks!
Done.
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Exigo
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Posted - 2006.05.24 00:26:00 -
[250]
/bump
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Nyx Opet
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Posted - 2006.05.25 00:31:00 -
[251]
/signed
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.25 00:47:00 -
[252]
My JayLeno-Mobile demands liposuction.
*its true, look at a brute in profile and tell me it dont look like jay leno*
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Razin
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Posted - 2006.05.25 01:55:00 -
[253]
Originally by: keepiru
My JayLeno-Mobile demands liposuction.
*its true, look at a brute in profile and tell me it dont look like jay leno*
It looks more like that devil guy that Tim Curry played in some old movie (looked it up: The Lord of Darkness in Legend).
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Selya
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Posted - 2006.05.25 07:43:00 -
[254]
Come on guys! We need more people to sign this 
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.25 07:53:00 -
[255]
I definently agree with this.
9 pages and no comment from Tuxford is bad. He might be overworked though, being solo responsible for game balance...
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.25 10:00:00 -
[256]
That's no excuse, my char's background is red and that means i deserve a response! =p
They MUST realize theyre going to have to at the very least shrink their sig radiuses, or the tier-2s will end up with larger sigs than some tier-1 battleships.
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.05.25 10:16:00 -
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I really want to train for a Cyclone, it has lower sig radius than Brutix and also slightly better speed and agility (I think, not sure on the latter), but I'm afraid it'll end up a disappointment too  I really wish we'd get at least SOME response from Tux.
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Sinistro
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Posted - 2006.05.25 10:33:00 -
[258]
Signed
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.05.25 10:48:00 -
[259]
SİGNED
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Systra
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Posted - 2006.05.25 10:51:00 -
[260]
signed.
went from my brutix to a domi, scared.
turns out the domi is faster than my brutix in warping sometimes? :(
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.25 11:09:00 -
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yeh tested same on a brutix yday
its RIDICULOUS!
plz devs look into this matter!
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Sadist
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Posted - 2006.05.25 11:13:00 -
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I've had an excellent idea about BC getting PG bonus to fit battleship sized guns, and receiving dmg bonuses to both. That way they can wield more firepower at the expense of their tanking, which still remains on par with cruisers.
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Suvereign
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:39:00 -
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/signed
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.05.25 13:43:00 -
[264]
/signed
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.05.25 15:18:00 -
[265]
Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe on 25/05/2006 15:20:56
Originally by: Sadist
I've had an excellent idea about BC getting PG bonus to fit battleship sized guns, and receiving dmg bonuses to both. That way they can wield more firepower at the expense of their tanking, which still remains on par with cruisers.
I personally think this is the way they should have aproached BCs initially, however I don't think we will be seeing such drastic changes to a ship that has been reballanced before. I do think we may see some tweaks to the tier 1 BCs when they release the tier 2s though(hopefully ballance slot layouts and make the ferox an actual gun ship).
Overall I don't want BCs to change very much as they are a very cost effective way to bring some muscle to fights for smaller corps or younger players. I just want the devs to take a look at the roll of the ship for veteran players.
The big problem I see atm with decreasing sig radius and and increasing agility as much as people are suggesting is that you turn the BC into an anti BS platform. With the suggest sig radius decreases many of the BC will be able to put up a good fight against a number of Battleships. Personally I don't ever want to see BCs dropping battleships 1v1 however I think that a couple of coordinated BC pilots should be able to take out almost any BS.
Overall I think these changes should be done to the tier 1 Battle Cruisers (restating my ideas from earlier in the thread).
1. Change agility modifier to .75 for all BCs.
2. Decrease sig radius of all BCs by 10% (any more would OP them).
3. Give the Ferox, Brutix(may not need it), and the Proph another slot. High slot for Ferox, Low slot for Brutix, and High slot for Proph. Mostly worried about the ballance of the Brutix if it got another low slot as a 2x MARII, 2x EANM, 1 damage control, 1x MFS II low slot setup may be too powerfull(would need to do testing)
4. Give the Ferox another turret hardpoint and maybee a 10% increase in grid so that it can fit 6 200s with a decent tank. Reason for this buff is to give the ferox a roll once the tier 2 BC comes out as it will probably outclass the ferox when it comes to missles.
5. Increase the max velocity of all the BCs by 10-15 m/s. I think they should be able to keep up with the slower heavily plated cruisers.
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TraxNet
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Posted - 2006.05.25 16:19:00 -
[266]
This MUST be /signed
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Cyrus Gideon
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Posted - 2006.05.25 18:36:00 -
[267]
/signed by me too
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.05.26 13:29:00 -
[268]
This thread is pretty well argumented and detailled, and speak about a flaw in the game mechanic that screw up 2 whole classes (Battlecruisers and Command ships), and, even after 10 pages of near total agreement by the community, there's still no sign that CCP even noticed it?
This is hardly beleivable.
You know there's a problem when you find T2 battlecruisers sold at barely more than their production cost.
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Twiekdon
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Posted - 2006.05.26 16:14:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Shadowsword
This thread is pretty well argumented and detailled, and speak about a flaw in the game mechanic that screw up 2 whole classes (Battlecruisers and Command ships), and, even after 10 pages of near total agreement by the community, there's still no sign that CCP even noticed it?
This is hardly beleivable.
You know there's a problem when you find T2 battlecruisers sold at barely more than their production cost.
Hopefully they are looking at it - before replying.
And it totally agree, agility boost for the people!
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.05.26 16:35:00 -
[270]
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/05/2006 16:35:30
Have to agree, good analysis from the OP. There's a game mechanics flaw here that hits BCs hard. I don't see too many BCs in pvp, since there's little reason to fly them over a battleship -- a bs has massively better weapons, tanking, grid, whatever. And sometimes it's also more agile(!). That's just wrong.
Current BCs combine the worst of two worlds.
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