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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:27:00 -
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This issue is too important to be allowed to leave the first page.
Can a Dev at least tell us they know this thread exist?
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Greenbolt
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:36:00 -
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I truly love my cyclone as a general purpose ship but i agree with the original poster that the hit for warp time seems absurd for a ship thats supposed to be 'between' cruiser and battleship.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:53:00 -
[183]
 Originally by: Taurgil
Edited by: Taurgil on 16/05/2006 18:14:43
At all: You failed !!!!
Just rename the thread title to: "We need a new high damage assault missile type for our caldari cruiser as waiting two weeks to become uber is still too long for me."
And soon you no longer need to bump and get a prompt DEV reply.
The truth is out there below..
The Truth
The title of the thread should be either:
"Devs! don't look here!"
or
"Free beer for first dev post!"
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
"Free beer for first dev post!"
^^^^^WIN^^^^^
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:10:00 -
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Just nudging this thread so that the devs don't miss it. It's a very good thread.
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Tyrus Drake
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Posted - 2006.05.16 20:58:00 -
[186]
Petition signed. BCs are great ships, however they are too clumsy and take way too much dmg from BS fire compared to a cruiser.
"I am the Homo Superior."
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Xavier Zyrae
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Posted - 2006.05.16 23:50:00 -
[187]
/me joins the masses...
/signed =)
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Mikel Crenshaw
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Posted - 2006.05.17 00:42:00 -
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/signed
I want my Cyclone to not feel like it's wading through mud personally. I love it to death but its acceleration is atrocious, it takes more than a minute to reach near full speed with an afterburner.
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"I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.05.17 00:53:00 -
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Not signed
This is the price you pay for survivability - Its not really rocket science.
Next whine .............
Al Thorr
"You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.05.17 01:12:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Al Thorr
Not signed
This is the price you pay for survivability - Its not really rocket science.
Next whine .............
Al Thorr
Ever try reading earlier posts first? The BC has BS agility without the survivability. That's the problem. I'd accept if it had a BS tank and cruiser weapons and no agility to speak of, but it doesn't.
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Boobies
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.05.17 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe on 17/05/2006 01:17:22
Originally by: Al Thorr
Not signed
This is the price you pay for survivability - Its not really rocket science.
Next whine .............
Al Thorr
Whole point of this thread is that the BC actually has less survivability in most situations compared to its smaller cruiser cousin. You are far larger allowing almost all weapons do a large amount of damage and you are far more sluggish making it much harder to warp out of a sticky situation. Understood that it is a larger platform and should take more damage and handle worse than a cruiser however it is overdone atm.
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.05.17 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Al Thorr on 17/05/2006 01:24:31
Sorry sttill stand by statement - op is comparing a rax / brut and a mega.
work out cost of each ship dps of each ship. - then work out survivability.
again not hard.
"You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
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Matrices Sunbound
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Posted - 2006.05.17 01:28:00 -
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It's obvious to me that the devs never PVPed with BCs. They tossed it into the game as a filler for PvE'ers to do Level 3 missions so people wouldn't be waiting forever to get from a cruiser into a BS without something to do in between.
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Mr rooflez
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Posted - 2006.05.17 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Al Thorr
Edited by: Al Thorr on 17/05/2006 01:24:31
Sorry sttill stand by statement - op is comparing a rax / brut and a mega.
work out cost of each ship dps of each ship. - then work out survivability.
again not hard.
With perfect skills:
The brutix does 28% more dps than the thorax, and costs 226% more
The megathron does 50% more dps than the brutix, and costs 336% more
So with the brutix you gain roughly one third from the thorax in tanking and damage for over 3x the price, but you have over twice the signature radius, and 1/3 of the agility.
The dps and cost of the brutix compared to the mega and rax is perfectly fine. The problem is that the brutix dies MUCH faster to battleships because basically every shot hits it, while the thorax can easily avoid gunfire due to being smaller.
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La Tortura
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Posted - 2006.05.17 08:30:00 -
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I'd rather have weber range bonus for BC/CS's. That would make BC's true close range antisupport ships.
Dreams, dreams...
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kikosinosi
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Posted - 2006.05.17 17:12:00 -
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no official answer yet ? hmmm
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2006.05.17 17:13:00 -
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Absolutions fly like bricks.
I don't think this is necessarily a problem though, although something could be done about the range issues.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2006.05.17 17:46:00 -
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I ignored this thread for too long, as it was already long when I spoted it.
BUT
I agree. BC agility is damn crap ... the should be somwhere 60-70% between cruiser and BS. This does not manifest with the ferox, as it has great range and all with missiles, but the other BCs would be so much better close range if the agility modifier would be right.
For all the Caldari haters:
leave caldari BC agility as is, boost the other ones !!!
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Taurgil
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Posted - 2006.05.17 22:35:00 -
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*pusherman*
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crom ralphfao
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Posted - 2006.05.18 03:37:00 -
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signed,
breath some life into the different aspect of ship classes. if one thing gets me down, it is the people who cry to make all ships, no matter what the size, cost or purpose balanced for some reason.
it would be nice to see BC get a logical boost and increase the usefulness of the ship class, i have lost many brutix to nothing more than a little lag combined with warping out and switched to bs for mission running.
i dont care about support roles, i would just like to see a mid level ship class between cruiser and bs that can actually tank better than a cruiser and warp faster than a bs.
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.05.18 08:39:00 -
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BC isn't really even that good for PVE currently. With my low-ish skills I often have to warp out with a BC from level 3s. Given that it's not hard to get a BS, and with one you'll have no problems (warpouts) with level 3s and even moving around is just as fast with a BS, there's really no reason to use a BC for them. I used a Brutix as long as I had no BS, and as soon as I did... well, there's just no point in using the Brutix anymore  And that's just wrong. Basically you'll just struggle with it needlessly with 2,5x the price of a Brutix you'll get a Domi. Compared to usefulness... 10x difference.
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Amanda Zeherah
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Posted - 2006.05.18 09:03:00 -
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Have not trained for BS yet because I thought BC (and command ships) will be more agile and faster...
After this post, I'm now reconsidering... maybe BS is the pwnmobile I have been looking for...
Hope the Devs are reading this post...
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Draycar Hazaran
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Posted - 2006.05.18 14:34:00 -
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*Sigh* Tux?
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Th3 HuNt3r
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Posted - 2006.05.18 15:44:00 -
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/signed
i agree 120%
Just lost my first ferox to a lvl 3 mission
It irritates me that a bc is no more than a brick with some more powergrid and cpu than a cruiser!!!!
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Cade Morrigan
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Posted - 2006.05.18 15:48:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
This does not manifest with the ferox, as it has great range and all with missiles, but the other BCs would be so much better close range if the agility modifier would be right.
For all the Caldari haters:
leave caldari BC agility as is, boost the other ones !!!
Jackass!  Seriously, why punish the poor Ferox drivers with such abysmal agility? That ship isn't fun to fly, changing its agility will help, but it definitely won't make the ferox overpowered. I want to align and warp before my beard grows an inch.
-= Save the Gila! Fix its grid and cpu! =-
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Zurich Quik
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Posted - 2006.05.19 00:55:00 -
[206]
Signed.
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Major Landes
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:08:00 -
[207]
Signed |
xeom
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:46:00 -
[208]
Bump for a great idea.
CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? |
Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:56:00 -
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This is true, this is really needed.
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Pointless Vengence
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:01:00 -
[210]
/me not signed
too many people are bumping this thread
if anything, make a Rank 8 skill that requires Battle Cruiser 5 to help the problem. As is, its a T1 Battle Cruiser and acts just like it.
Lock This Thread . . . too many bumps (probably by alts of the same people) are making its reoccurrence in the forums . . .
-Pointless
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