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fuze
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Posted - 2006.05.18 10:55:00 -
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This whole thing pretty much blows because there will be enough zealots that going to pay for that VOIP account and it will split up corp/alliances because some are too stubborn to switch from Ventrillo/Teamspeak.
And if its required that you must be able to use that VOIP ability ingame by CEO, FC or alliance leader my answer would be 'escrow you!'. My guess this goes for quite a lot of people.
And it's pretty naive from CCP to think people will be paying for something they can get for free. Even though some person hosting a Vent/TS srv has this high BW load which is included in the ISP bill eventually.
It's nice they are trying to arrange for ingame VOIP capabilties since members did ask for it. But the way they worked it out is flawed. |
Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.05.18 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Flyyn on 18/05/2006 11:01:32
 Originally by: sidthesexist
VOIP
The introduction of a VOIP system to EvE by CCP, one which we will have to pay to use, really goes against everything i, and im sure alot of other people, thought CCP stood for.
Having played BF2 for quite some time now i can tell CCP from experiance that introducing a VOIP system will do nothing but cause major problems for them. With the mysterious connection drops to the server aswell as lag-kicks and so on, the VOIP system will not work as intended.
Integrated VOIP systems in games have been known to cause major problems, i rememmber Planetside being down for almost a full week because of their integrated voice system, BF2 has had no end of bugs due to its VOIP system.
CCP, the majority of the posts i have seen on this forum have been against having a VOIP system in eve. I implore you, spend time on things that are more vital to the players and eve as a whole, rather than somthing which we the players really dont need or intend to use.
Please listen to your community.
I leave the floor open to anyone who wishes to comment.
What games are you talking about? I never even heard of TS or Vent till I started playing Eve. The only games I have seen use a voice communications is X-box and playstation.
Before you start a thread ment to incite panic and revolution you should be sure of the facts. Where are your facts?
I see planetside and BF2...not good chocies to use, niether had the supporting hardware Eve-online started with.
And concidering the bugs we have now, a voice progam bug wont hurt a darn thing.
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Moghydin on 18/05/2006 11:09:46
This is the link to an article on www.mmorpg.com:
http://www.mmorpg.com/e32006NewsRoom.cfm/loadNews/5243
They clearly say that it's going to be a premium service.
I won't pay because I'm fed up by different corporations effort to milk more money out of me. we have numerous "premium" services everywhere, that provide staff that was free not long time ago, pay-per-view TV, for example, is slowly consuming more and more areas of TV broadcasting. If it goes that way, we'll have soon to use credit card each time we turn our TV sets on or browse someone's site on the Internet.
Who knows, it can even come to this eventually:
Notification: Your breathing subscription has expired, you now have 0.0 m^3 of air on your monthly quota. Please renew your subscrbtion now. Call xxxxxxxx. Have a nice day
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 18/05/2006 11:14:29
Originally by: James Lyrus
I see lots of posts saying 'TS is free'. I'm pretty sure that someone ends up paying for it, be it through the monsterous bandwidth it eats, or because they've got a hosted service somewhere else.
Or am I missing something?
My major concern is whilst TS/Vent may _not_ be free, it's possible for me to provide it, and then I can pester people to use it, without them giving the 'can't afford it' line.
I rented a 150 member professionally hosted TS server awhile back for the corp I was running (older account). It cost me less than 20 bucks (US) a month to run.
There are hosted TS servers that have been 'donated' for EVE members usage afaik, so costs can be very minimal, but usually not non-existant.
The problem here is the 'how much?' factor. In all the blogs/e3 blurbs and forum posts, I've yet to see an answer to this one. If a 75 member corporation can rent a pro TS server for 8-15 bucks a month, then CCP had better factor this in. If that same 75 member corp is shelling out 2-3 dollars a piece for this 'in game feature', then there will be screaming to high heaven. The have/have not issues which are already evident in recruiting by some corps (use TS or leave us) will even further inflame the situation.
CCP promised no extra costs for expansions and such. Of course they promised that EVE would always be ONE universe, and now there's another....I hate even to say this word..."shard" going up, with the executives saying that anyone with the $$$ can get "localized". (fancy way of saying: "shard", no matter how ccp politically spins it).
This whole thing may be much to do about nothing, but it definitely is a sensitive issue at the present time.
Of course on the flip side, most MMO's charge for every new thing they generate, so in the scheme of things perhaps CCP doesn't see this as a real issue. After all its "an option". Of course for those in a corp which decides to use the service it no longer becomes a choice. Its either pony up or "kicked to da' curb".
Interesting times indeed.
And now, back down to the Tech forum dungeon where we non microsoft lovers must continue our moanage over the evil that is DX10. 
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Kaathar Rielspar
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:20:00 -
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Personally, I feel CCP have to be very careful about what they're getting into here with a VOIP system. I'm all for the further development and enhancement of EvE but the talk of making it a premium service is worrying.
The crux of the matter is thus: What does the proposed VOIP service offer that existing voice comm's solutions (TS/Vent) dont?
As noted above, as a premium service certain people will not/can't afford to pay extra for it, while the existing voice comm's programs do the job just as well.
If CCP was to make the VOIP system an integral part of EvE (linking it into gangs for example) and thus superior to TS/Vent then does it not follow that the player(s) who use the VOIP service have an unfair advantage over those who dont?
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: sidthesexist
No because tha majority of eve mine and a large majority are empire miners.
I can honestly say right now if things are as i think they are, very few people will pay for this.
Well, it hasn't been implemented and the pricing structure hasn't been anounced to it's a little premature to judge how many people will use this service.
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Taketa De
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:25:00 -
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I could imagine paying for this, but only if certain conditions are met:
1. I have more then one account, however I'd only be willing to pay for one "login" to the system that has to be able to be used no matter which account I'm using (like Vent or TS), after all it's only going to be one player talking.
2. No more then 1 € extra a month, half of that would be more fair. Still more expensive then TS/Vent, but cheap enough so that the difference doesn't matter and is worth the extra features in game.
Bonus point: It's an external app that integrates with the client so is still running if EVE goes down. That would also make point 1 easier to implement.
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videorecorder
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:29:00 -
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CCP, be smart about it.
Listen to your community.
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Vanlade
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:32:00 -
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Signed
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Caethes Adain
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:33:00 -
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At the mo' i'm indifferent to the VOIP thingum until more information is given and we find out how it's all going to be implemented into the game.
People seem to be getting a tad too emotional atm about it, yes other games may have had problems but it doesn't mean that it will be the same for eve.
The main problem I see is that some people may get excluded from various oppurtunities if they do not pay the extra. Timecard people will be borked unless timecards come in 2 flavours...or what could get peolpe annoyed is if there is only 1 timecard which includes VOIP meaning they'll have to pay extra for something they may not want.
The upside is that communication could become a lot easier and the client will be universal.
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Sim Frost
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:44:00 -
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Signed
Say NO to paid Voip service
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Tharc
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:52:00 -
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sky is falling ? , werent the voip gonna run on separate servers as far as i heard ? seems like op might be slightly mis informed, dont judge stuff that isnt even remotely done yet
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:58:00 -
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Sounds very cool. If it gives me coms in surrounding area local so I can yell at morons in slow indies, I'll subscribe!. Move it Fatso!!!
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Fortior
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Posted - 2006.05.18 11:59:00 -
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Meh. Let's just wait until the thing is actually released. And it *will* be released, no doubt about it. There is no way in hell that CCP is going to cancel development and cancel the deal with Vivox, period. Looking at Swedish law for instance, CCP would most likely get OMGWTF-sued by Vivox in a heartbeat if that happened.
Is everyone always this impatient?
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Jenson Cole
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:16:00 -
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As a CEO for a Corporation in game I'm keeping a close eye on this topic of the in game voice system. The decideing factor for me will be costs involved.
The questions I have revolve around the cost.
Is it a per person fee or per corp/alliance?
If it's per person I'm going to scrap the idea of getting a server for my corp because I'm not going to force my members to pay an extra fee for bells and whistles. If it's a per corp fee and the fee is reasonable I'll look into getting it otherwise I'll stick with Teamspeak where a corp I'm allied with has gave my corp a room to use.
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jenson Cole
As a CEO for a Corporation in game I'm keeping a close eye on this topic of the in game voice system. The decideing factor for me will be costs involved.
The questions I have revolve around the cost.
Is it a per person fee or per corp/alliance?
If it's per person I'm going to scrap the idea of getting a server for my corp because I'm not going to force my members to pay an extra fee for bells and whistles. If it's a per corp fee and the fee is reasonable I'll look into getting it otherwise I'll stick with Teamspeak where a corp I'm allied with has gave my corp a room to use.
From details released it will be per person.
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Elisabeth
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Elisabeth on 18/05/2006 12:20:38
I dont think it's the VOIP thingy that bothers me but the path CCP has choosen to wander down.
When i first started playing this was a community tight nitted and friendly DEV's chatted with users, explained when something went wrong.
Listened to peoples requests about changes and such.
They wrote devblogs quite frequently and gave information in forums about upcoming releases .
Maybe not precis information but atleast information.
Nowadays a devblog is something uniqe and very rare, as for information whats happening to the game we are paying them to develope has complety dissapered altogether.
We must scrounge throw interviews and mmo sites to get information about whats happening in "our" game.
And what happend with fixing things that are vital to game play such as drones,POS,gui,capital ships and so forth ?
This is the line of questioning we should be asking instead of bickering over the VOIP implementation which wether we like it or not is gonna be inserted into the game.
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SL65 AMG
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:18:00 -
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put that Voio thing on ice and concentrate on more important issues |
LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:19:00 -
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Yep.. waste of time, money and all that..
Now if it was free.... 
/Mav
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Boogey Trollias
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:25:00 -
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Integrated VOIP, no matter of the game, is a community killer. There are communities that play different games, and sit on same teamspeak/ventrilo server to allow easy community chat and view on who's doing what. If more and more games start integrating VOIP (which for Eve does nothing but create confusion between those using ts/vent and those paying for the "premium" service) in their games such communities will devolve back to only forum usage and on the long run works against online gaming.
Thus I think it's a bad idea for Eve. |
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Julia Reave
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:29:00 -
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My vote goes against creating two classes of people in Eve by making the VoIP thing (or anything else) an optional feature that is being charged extra.
I am not against the VoIP integration in general and I think the presented ideas of command structures/hierarchy sound interesting. So either make it free for all, or maybe raise the montly fee a bit(!)...
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:32:00 -
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It all depends on who VOIP will be implentent in Eve.
My fear is that it will be implentent so that you can use lots of new gang features only if you have this VOIP.
Without VOIP you will be second class Eve player who cant utilize the full aspects of the game.
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RaYmEn
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:43:00 -
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/me signed !1!11! CCP you waste your time with it.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:49:00 -
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Signed! 
Unnerf Amarr!
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Ni'ka
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ni''ka on 18/05/2006 12:58:34
/Signed against VOIP.
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Originally by: Balklanac
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Fillmeup
As I said in the other threads, this one is provided by a third party. Third party servers, third party costs, no additional 'eve-lag'.
It's requiring, per CCP interview, a LOT of work to integrate it into the new gang system. I, for one, would rather that the font be fixed by the UI coders.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.05.18 13:01:00 -
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I really don't care as long as they change the stuff that matters: instas, warp cores, local chat, sovereignty, damage 
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Suze'Rain
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Posted - 2006.05.18 13:19:00 -
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I was for VOIP, untill I found out about the additional fee.
I am strongly against the "feature" in that context.
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Pooka
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Posted - 2006.05.18 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Pooka on 18/05/2006 13:32:53
signed.
CCP please stop wasting time on this and work on the problems that already exist.
(wonder how much this is going to affect normal play, and how many pepole will be taken away from the normal player base support to fix VOIP problems )
Or, how about the promises from last year??
Comet mining
planet flight
things like that 
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Liger Li
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Posted - 2006.05.18 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Liger Li on 18/05/2006 13:38:42
A petition decrying untested future plans and claiming to know they'll fail because of anecdotal evidence?
I think I just had a flashback to the WoW boards.
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