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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:36:00 -
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I think this thing will be way better than the current TS/vent thingie. Devs seem pretty excited about it and that wouldnt be the case if it wasnt something special. If its really good im sure it could be just like being in a room with 40 people with no distortions in sound. But we'll see.
I agree it should not be a premium service though. Its going to create problems when some people want to spend money on it and some people dont.
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Alessandra Grey
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:41:00 -
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So many of you nay-sayers are so uneducated and so locked into your arbitrary "i dont want it, so it cant be put in" state that you dont take time to read or examine anything. Firstly, to the OP's comment about all games with integrated voice systems having major problems, i'd like to point out to you the most successful game in recent history: Counter-Strike. Thats right, Half-life, half-life 2 and all their various mods have had integrated voice since the multiplayer feature went live (i've been playing CS since pre-beta 1 as i lived in the same dorm as two of the original mappers and had an "in" so to speak). There have never been "lag drops" or "mysterious crashes" because of the voice system. So yes, if you're running a game like planetside (which was garbage anyway) and you throw very very limited resources on a voip system, then you're going to have problems. CCP solved this by contracting a professional third party company to design one specifically for this game. Anyone who happened to be paying attention at E3 (yes, i realize that most of you werent there, but I was) saw the demo and it was SWEET.
Read oveur's dev blog that just came out, specifically the section regarding this thread's topic. The key difference between the eve-speak tool and teamspeak/skype/ventrilo is that it's all in-game. No more not knowing who's talking, because their character picture highlights on the screen when they talk! No more wondering who's giving the orders in fleet battles because, as oveur said, theres going to be a muting function when the fleet commander is speaking. Theres a wide range of possibilities for this. Imagine flying into 0.0 without getting permission and instead of just being insta-whacked, someone contacts you via voice and requests clearance. The possibilities are endless.
As far as price goes, you people are acting like CCP is gonna saw off your arm for the ability to use this on a monthly basis. Remember: they havent released a price schedule yet! For all any of us know, it could be a 50 cent increase in your monthly fee (which i know for a fact aint gonna break people's pockets) and i'm absolutely positive that they're going to integrate a way to pay for voice if you rely on GTC to play. Quit making mountains out of molehills. You dont have enough information to make an informed decision.
Also, Oveur specifically said that there will be ways to try out the voice function FOR FREE in the dev blog.
Also, on a more personal note to the OP: For ages, probably before you were playing, people were SCREAMING for an in-game voice system to make gang/fleet warfare easier. You claim to speak for "the community" when you truly dont. Yes, there are those who dont agree with facets of the idea and are going to not use it. However, this in no way constitutes a majority. Take for example the various threads on the fact that the agents moved from hageken are gone for a month. I counted over 400 individual posts (not threads, posts) on the subject and not one dev response. Now, upsetting as that might seem, does that mean that they need to listen to their "community" and drop what theyre doing to appease us? No. They have bigger fish to fry. 3 Major updates and countless fixes are in the works. If you really want a say, I suggest one of three things: 1.) Become a very very active beta tester on sisi and give more feedback than a room full of computer science majors. 2.)Send oveur 5000 cases of the beer of his choice. 3.)Get a job with CCP. Other than that, keep ranting all you want, but understand that just because you *THINK* that the majority wants or doesnt want something, it's still only YOUR opinion.
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Andros vonBek
In-game VOIP sounds like a cool idea to me IN THEORY, but there are a lot of reservations, all of which have been discussed herein ad infinitum - I'll not rabble what has already been rabbled...
Personally I'll wait to see whether the corp/alliance requires this or not. I have 3 accounts, more than likely I'll pay for it if it's required. EVE is too important to quit or ditch my corp over this issue.
The issue is one of communication, not between players in-game but between the devs and the player base. The lack thereof is causing great concern.
Personally, I think if this is implemented it should be done so as an external application so that voice comms can be continued when out of game (be it via a disconnect, CTD, downtime, or just wanting to talk smack with fellow corpies while doing other stuff) but that prolly isn't going to happen.
I'd also like to see some feature where those with multiple accounts (I have 3 personally, 2 regular and 1 P^2 which will be made into a full account in due time, and I know a lot of people have this many or more) can group their accounts together and not have to pay for this more than once.
Instead of /signing or /not signing this, I'll /sign for a fully comprehensive devblog on how this feature is going to be implemented. It's the only way to put this to rest one way or another.
I fully agree with this. Instead of "/sign"-ing something you dont even fully know about, /sign-ing for a devblog explaining the issue here is a lot more productive, and informative for us as customers and players. I want to know the details for this new VOIP feature before i judge it, instead of just basing my decision on hearsay.
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Blayde Firefly
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:47:00 -
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/signed!
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Valeo Galaem
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Posted - 2006.05.18 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zeknen
/signed
No VOIP please...
This is to everyone with the same attitude...
You realize that CCP has already made a contract with Vivox. What do you expect them to do, say "We're sorry but or closed-minded fanbase won't let us proceed. The agreement is off and all the tens of thousands of dollars that's probably on the line is gone"..?
The only reason for people to have a grip over is that the new service will be an additional (and optional cost). The features and service plans have not yet been announced, let alone finalized.
How about being more productive and tell CCP what kind of features / service options you would like that would make subscribers more likely support it?!
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:03:00 -
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/signed
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Pailloran
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:06:00 -
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/signed.
I might be putting my foot in my mouth if somehow all of the technical problems and support issues I foresee with this are somehow averted, but I still can't get past the issues of segmenting the population and CCP spending too much time looking forward when their focus belongs in the here and now. I feel that I pay enough for CTDs, broken petitions, a clunky UI, dated sound system, and poor utilization/support of new hardware.
Also, (and I may be completely wrong on this, maybe someone who is more network savvy can correct me if so) if the feature is integrated into the client and login dependent, doesn't this mean that whether the host server is 3rd party/proprietary or not, that the CCP servers will still have to communicate with it on at least some base level? If so, that's just one more thread to get knotted.
In any case, I'd never use it and feel the time could be better spent.
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Das Yad
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:08:00 -
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VOIP is bad news causes lag, more server problems, and look at CS annoying people spam with random noise. most corps / alliances have dedi' vent / ts servers
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outlawren
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:21:00 -
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not signed i want VOIP :)
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Atom HeartMother
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:34:00 -
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the mods keep pwning my sigs :*( |
Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:34:00 -
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/signed
there are FAR more important things to do for the game tbh
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Ryea Eripmav
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:44:00 -
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Someone lock this thread up, please, because this is pointless.
-=The VOIP service is OPTIONAL!!! =-
And for goodness sake -you're not going to accurately gauge the community's overall desire via a petition thread. If it were really that important to CCP, I am sure they would figure out a better way to do it, like ingame.
I doubt you guys are even considering those that may have requested CCP make such a service available.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:59:00 -
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At the very least, I think a more comprehensive information source is required. I would rather not pay extra for a service I can't reasonably 'require' everyone I play with to use.
If even one person can't use it. It's useless.
~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation |
Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2006.05.18 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Saeris Tal''Urduar on 18/05/2006 18:59:49
/signed for VOIP, not against.
I dont know if I'd pay for it.
But I like the idea.
Originally by: sidthesexst
The introduction of a VOIP system to EvE by CCP, one which we will have to pay to use, really goes against everything i, and im sure alot of other people, thought CCP stood for.
Not sure what that means....because that is what CCP stands for...inovation and breaking new ground with original ideas. You know kinda like everyone on one server and no instancing, and so on.
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James Snowscoran
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Posted - 2006.05.18 19:07:00 -
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I'm all for VOIP, but can't they just increase the monthly fee by 1 dollar for all the players and give everyone access? Otherwise, like so many people have said, it loses pretty much all of its functionability.
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Julia Reave
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Posted - 2006.05.18 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran
I'm all for VOIP, but can't they just increase the monthly fee by 1 dollar for all the players and give everyone access? Otherwise, like so many people have said, it loses pretty much all of its functionability.
IMHO it's the best solution...
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.05.18 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran
I'm all for VOIP, but can't they just increase the monthly fee by 1 dollar for all the players and give everyone access? Otherwise, like so many people have said, it loses pretty much all of its functionability.
what if u have more characters like most of us do
(this more character is also smart thing of ccp to drag in more money)
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.05.18 19:20:00 -
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I would like to see more flexible integration of the player avatar database and sundry third party apps.
Especially Skype. I can use TS/Vent for my team, but I like Skype for clients.
Skype is largely free and the extras are affordable. Only the voicemail and forwarding is expensive.
We should be able to put more information categories in our profiles. Especially ingame employment related info.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
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Posted - 2006.05.18 19:33:00 -
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Thread cleaned for "/signed" and "/not signed" only posts and non-constructive spams. Please remember that posting "/signed" only is considered spam since it adds very little constructive to the thread. Post your feature ideas in that thread, and reserve this one for constructive and polite discussions.
Since the topic is hot for discussion and new threads on the issue pops up fairly rapidly, we're designated these two threads the "official" ones, and other threads about the issue will be closed.
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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2006.05.18 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Andros vonBek
I have 3 accounts, more than likely I'll pay for it if it's required.
That brings up a good question.
If you have 3 acconuts, do you pay for it 3 times?
Another example why per-account extra fee is a really really really bad idea.
'Sorry guys, I'm on my alt and it has no VOIP paid...'
Raise the monthly fee, if you must. Otherwise you just tear up the ingame community.
- Jarnis McPieksu
Industrial Operative, Beagle Corp
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fuze
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Posted - 2006.05.18 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: fuze on 18/05/2006 19:52:04
CCP's rationale is that bandwith costs money.
But you can't defeat those many TS srv that run on accounts that already paid for it so it pretty much costs NOTHING extra.
It will disrupt operations in corp and alliances because not everyone is either willing or even able to pay for the extra fee. During fleet ops audio is a total must so you'll loose an important tool if you don't have all members online.
Ever thought of getting a license on an existing API or helping develop an open-source API for the existing audio servers that are already out there? It may be worth while the wait of effort to come up with this. To me that's the only sensible alternative because I never ever will pay for something I don't need. And if I'm forced to do so I rather cancel my subscriptions than to give in. |
Noriath
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Posted - 2006.05.18 19:49:00 -
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I don't think MMORPGs should have their own Voice Chat, because then they are responsible for a comunications medium that cannot possibly be censored in any way.
If those channels are riddled with prophanity and worse it casts a bad light on company making the game. If people set up their own teamspeak it's different.
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Morgina
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Posted - 2006.05.18 20:06:00 -
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Signed!
There are plenty things that needs fixing, implemnting ... please don't waste time and isk on this.
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.05.18 20:18:00 -
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signed, spend more time fixing the bugs, less time working on something we don't want, k? 
damn sig hijack!!11!
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fuze
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Posted - 2006.05.18 20:36:00 -
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Besides to react on the reasons Oveur gave in his blog.
He said it was hard to setup a TS client and taking time.
It's not hard. You're just lazy to do so.
Unlike the eve client you actually can save you're password and log in with one mouseclick.
He also uses the famous phrase 'it only takes a couple of hours to implent'. If I get would get an ISK for every time I used that one I'd be flying a titan.
You'd get tons of reactions from people with crappy soundcarddrivers that are having troubles getting it work. And they all will blaim the new software and with reason.
So c'mon you know better than that.
And if you're a player who has a say in the development doesn't mean you can force these things in the client because you think its a nice thing to have.
The impact is way bigger than you want us make to believe. With already having trouble keeping up the schedule for the chinese realm it doesn't make sense to implement something new into the client thats probably not going to be used by most players anyway.
Besides, having 5 clients running on one puter will make things even harder if they have integrated software. You can't switch between characters and their roles or login to a channel with a fake character. And as a spy record valuable intel to post on the forums to mock others. Like the infamous 'There is always deniabilty' phrase.
And if you would have a pole on how many times a TS client crashed and how many times Eve client crashed we all would know the outcome. Besides TS actually works during downtime so you can chat up even then.
And whats up next with the premium service?
Having integrated fraps?
Having no commercials ingame payed for by 3rd parties?
(Many game developers are contemplating about commercial advertising in online games these days.)
Custom ship skins?
So in short.
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Valeo Galaem
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Posted - 2006.05.18 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
He said it was hard to setup a TS client and taking time.
It's not hard. You're just lazy to do so.
Unlike the eve client you actually can save you're password and log in with one mouseclick
There is a way to save passwords in EVE and log in with one click. Its secure too.
You're just too lazy to figure out how to do so.
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fuze
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Posted - 2006.05.18 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Valeo Galaem
You're just too lazy to figure out how to do so.
A good developer is a lazy developer so you're absolutely right.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.18 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 18/05/2006 22:02:00
Originally by: w0rmy
Dont tell me this isnt about the $$$$$ vivox put a great spin to CCP, and CCP just heard *cha-ching*
Pretty much id imagine, i said this the other week, id love to know how many others have shaken a stick at ccp with making money in mind.
In any case it's not for me... id love to see an ingame poll though....
Would you/won't you.....
First thoughts for me would be about 70/30 (wouldn't) people that just stroll around the empire keeping themselfs to themselfs are still the majority... so in saying that.. id imagine about 80/90% wouldn't bother.
But anyway... it's not about majority, or want... it's about extra revenue stream (reguardless of fancy patronising press releases)
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Rungi
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Posted - 2006.05.18 22:07:00 -
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Against, but IF it is implemented don't put the servers in the same locale! Puhleese! Appropriate bandwidth for appropriate services. Besides, I can just imagine being in a general channel like Help and the servers go down.. RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!! Perhaps they should be in the same locale. 
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NightmareX
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Posted - 2006.05.18 23:36:00 -
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Not signed. And since we don't know enough on how this VOIP are gonna work, i will not sign anything.
And yeah, if this VOIP system is better than TS and Ventrilo, then i gladly pay 1 dollar extra on my account to have this
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