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Shadow Vice
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Posted - 2006.05.18 23:50:00 -
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not signed i reserve judgement and if its done right it could blow ts/vet out of the water for eve use
as far as i see it may not just be limited to pure voice chat audio messages ect may be possible
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Rekless Revenge
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Posted - 2006.05.19 00:02:00 -
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VOIP in EVE, superb idea! Lots of online games have it built in as standard (but dont do a good job of it). Would make good sense to a small company such as CCP to outsource a third party expert at VOIP. *I dont mind paying extra for it* and Leaves CCP to develop what they do best, Eve!
And the best thing is, if you dont like it or don't want to pay extra, you don't have to use it.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.05.19 00:13:00 -
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People already do it with TS vent etc... having it integrated with the client would be nice but not for extra money or a loss of stabilty.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.05.19 00:17:00 -
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I am going to wait and see what it is like before I begin to develop an opinion on the voice comms.
I WOULD LIKE TO STATE however.
That I would like to see it have semi independance of the client so if, for example, I did crash I would still be connected to the voice channel so I at least know whats going on.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2006.05.19 01:30:00 -
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Yeah I was reading another thread that told me to come here to say no to ccp having a voip.
so i vote we already got voip and adding more things to go wrong and lag us is abad idea
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Hawkeye Jones
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Posted - 2006.05.19 01:37:00 -
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CCP could just charge China for the VOIP service and let us have it for free, they wont know any better anyways 
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Mishima
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Posted - 2006.05.19 01:50:00 -
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Don't want that VOIP and people, Ventrilo > TeamSpeak
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Kim Chee
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Posted - 2006.05.19 01:51:00 -
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VOIP in general, fine.... having it work as well as Ventrilo without having to alt-tab to control it sounds like a good thing.
Just be sure it DOES work at least as well.... don't make the same mistake DDO did with their horrible excuse for voice chat.
Paying extra for it? Hmmmm, well... that's a hard choice. On the one hand, I wouldn't mind a dollar or two if I were in a large enough corp/alliance to make use of it. OTOH, if it's more than a few dollars I could set up a vent server and split the costs between the corpies.
Not signed yet.
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Vila Restal: I'm entitled to my opinion.
Kerr Avon: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.
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Marden Grace
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Posted - 2006.05.19 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: Marden Grace on 19/05/2006 02:37:20
I really don't get it...
It will make lag? Every game that I have played with VOIP implemented hasn't lagged when people talked. Besides, it's being done by a 3rd party company who probably knows what they're doing. BF2? I have NO problem using voice comm. HL2? HL1? Never had a problem.
It costs money? They're not forcing you to go with it. What? Corps and alliances will make them mandatory? Didn't you just say that nobody will use it? Which is it?! Besides, if the CEO wants you to use a VOIP and you don't want to, guess what? DON'T JOIN IT. Freakin' sheep.
Dev time wasted? So, the minority of the player base who actually read and post on the forums have deemed the time spent a waste? As others have said, this HAS been a suggested feature. Also, guess what? If they scrap the idea then it will DEFINITELY have been time wasted.
Derailing support? I'm sure the company they've signed on with will take care of the VOIP questions.
Personally, I think it's a great feature to add. It would be a load of fun to have someone request a chat as you enter space and have them go, "Halt! No, wait! Die!!"
Also, I wouldn't say that the majority of posts on the forum have been against VOIP. Seriously, if you think this is protest then you should go on to other game forums where literally every post is against a feature. What's happening here on the EVE forums is nothing.
I am looking forward to VOIP and I am willing to pay for it. Unless it's required for every account... Then I'll only pay for it on my main (this).
P.S. Just in case anybody tries to call my post moot because I may be an alt: This is my main. I am indeed a 2-3 month newb.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:36:00 -
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Here's whats gonna happen. CCP will somehow give an advantage to the people that use the ingame VOIP. How will they do that? I'm not quite sure. It will force people to use the ingame VOIP because it will have some features pertaining to the game that TS does not.
You will pay for it, not because you have to, but because it will be in your best interest. Its all about $$$ boyz
I have no sig, because I can't compress my picture down that far. It looks like crapola. |
Agent F
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:49:00 -
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If they can implement the ingame voice, while still having a side client that we can use without loging into eve that might just be as good idea as ever, but if its just going to be in game only then you can not compare the cost of having a teamspeak/ventrilo server, because with those 2 apps you can acess them any time anywere as long as you have the client.
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Ricdics
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:54:00 -
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I think some of you are behaving really ignorant. " Oh No, just another way for CCP to make more cash off us ". Well, I work for one of Australia's largest ISP's, and we also offer a VoIP service to customers.
While the service is cheap (compared to regular telephony), it is by no means free. Now, we have close to 1 million customers, around 80,000 of those using the VoIP service.
Bandwidth is not free, and in the case of Eve, if implemented for everyone to hear (ie, player one has purchased so can talk, player 2 has not purchased but can still listen) then bandwidth is still racking up for both parties.
I would go out on a limb here and say that CCP will be making zero-extremely low money off this. Even if they were making money off it, they ARE a business. Some of you need to wake up and see this.
Personally, I believe they are making nothing off VoIP, however the VoIP addition is there to encourage more signups, a form of advertising as it were. Not sure if I am correct, but am I right in believing that Eve would be the first MMORPG ever to introduce integrated VoIP services?
Best case scenario for the VoIP would of course be having it completely free. This is not going to happen. Again , CCP is a business, and designing an addition to the game that costs X amount / month with no future income stream generated from it, it wouldnt be viable.
Then there is the group " We dont want VoIP and would rather you spend your time fixing bugs etc". The Devs have repeated over and over and over again, that there is a dedicated bug fixing team, as well as dedicated teams for other roles. These guys need to stop complaining. If the Dev's say that it takes minimal working hours to implement the VoIP, I believe them. Who do this group think they are to actually think they know better than CCP.
Yes, I deal with plenty of VoIP, and no, there arent too many problems with it. Sure, it takes some of your OWN bandwidth (not CCP's), meaning that 56k eve players can forget about it. 256k players will find their computer performance a little degraded. Anything above this, should have no problem running integrated VoIP and Eve.
Just to reiterate. Everyone saying this will lag out the servers. Wake up, it will be running on it's own bandwidth tunnel, separate from Eve. The client will not lag any further.
Cant believe how many people are willing to shoot down the company without even seeing the service in action. Anyone would think you are all Jesus and have prophesised the future already.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.05.19 03:56:00 -
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I have no problem with VOIP. I think it could add a lot to the game, granting people the ability to communicate across corporate and alliance lines without having to go through the hassle of giving out secure TS info.
Moreover, it will solve the age-old question of: "Is that really a chick, or just a dude roleplaying a chick"?
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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crazyiven
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: crazyiven on 19/05/2006 04:05:19
Signed!
I agree, no need for it... unless it would be free. 
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:08:00 -
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You guys *do* realize that CCP won't have to do much work to implement the VOIP system, right? That it's being coded by a third party?
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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MurderCityDevil
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:16:00 -
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 Originally by: sidthesexist
VOIP
Integrated VOIP systems in games have been known to cause major problems, i rememmber Planetside being down for almost a full week because of their integrated voice system, BF2 has had no end of bugs due to its VOIP system.
When did Planetside have VOIP? musta been waaaay back. UT2004's voip seems to work pretty good, though a little garbled you still get the idea.
I think having a negative view of something new is like being afraid of a camera stealing your soul...or looking at that awful new invention called the Telephone that will make men lazy.
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Rauk Bascha
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:34:00 -
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AGAINST IT.
Do it and lose more players and more money than it is worth.
Concentrate on the game: gameplay, bugs, design and all the stuff that makes EVE fun.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:40:00 -
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To be honost they don't have to do much to make this essential.
Just entwine it in the interface, voicemail is handy... but beaing able to ensure that only people in your corp are in your channel, thats damn handy as well. Add in bits like a heirarchal structure based on corp position that will mute nublars speaking out of turn while the FC is trying to call primaries, or on screen graphical indication via the HUD who is speaking...
Yeah, it would become a tool that you would need to pay for to be competitive.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rauk Bascha
AGAINST IT.
Do it and lose more players and more money than it is worth.
Concentrate on the game: gameplay, bugs, design and all the stuff that makes EVE fun.
Why would CCP lose members, cause they spend a couple of hours helping a third party develop something that's completely up to you to use or not, and doesn't affect the game server much if at all? Ah no reason... so you're just throwing around the "OMG do this and EVE will die" argument...
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Cptn Z
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Posted - 2006.05.19 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cptn Z on 19/05/2006 05:31:07
Edited by: Cptn Z on 19/05/2006 05:30:21
Edited by: Cptn Z on 19/05/2006 05:28:01
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Cptn Z
Also, there were people asking for VOIP on forums; I personally seen such requests in "Features and Ideas", afair. Yes, a lot of people will stick to TS (like, most probably, myself).
You are quite correct, a lot of dumb and un thoughtout ideas are posted on the forums.
And I ask you this...
If a lot (and in my opinion the large majority) of people wont use this feature...
Why not invest the research/developement/roll out time into features people will use?
Sure. Forums are non-constructive due their nature. Dumb ideas, dumb discussions, flame and other crap. That's why they're loved by so many people!
Are you sure that CCP have only one development team working on everything? I'm not missing some developer posts saying "Holy Crap! We were almost fixing that drone bugs, but our managers told us to forget about that junk and integrate VOIP immediately", am I?
All we know now is that maybe VOIP will be integrated in the next patch and it probably will be "premium". We don't know if CCP does this work, or provides some kind on interface for VOIP-owners to integrate this; we don't know what features will VOIP offer; we don't know if it will be integrated into client or run as a third-party program. So, what is the reason of whining about something we know nothing about? Let's whine about damn drones!
Edit: and NO, putting more developers working on the same problem will NOT help. If you think it helps - read "The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering" by Brooks.
Edit2: also, as it was mentioned previously
Originally by: Steppa
If you read the current dev blog, it clearly states that the third-party company is developing and deploying (and hosting) this new voice client. While integration is going to require some man-hours at CCP, for the most part the developers of the VOIP are going to be responsible for it.
So, don't worry, drones are being fixed. Hopefully.
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2006.05.19 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: Brastagi on 19/05/2006 05:52:35
As far as I'm concerned, I'm not goign to pay extra for VOIP.
/wuv his TS
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.05.19 06:20:00 -
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*signed*
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spiderbaby
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Posted - 2006.05.19 06:49:00 -
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Signed.
Waste of development time, stupid idea to make it a "premium service". Vent/TS are fine.
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.19 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 19/05/2006 07:01:00
Vent/TS may be fine but this will be an integrated client with functionality integrated with Eve. You will also be able to enable it for your CORP.
Devblog with comments on VOIP
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. |
Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2006.05.19 07:03:00 -
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Announcement from Vivox in PDF Format regarding the new project
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2006.05.19 07:04:00 -
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Announcement from Vivox in PDF Format regarding the new project
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Adam Weishaupt
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Posted - 2006.05.19 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Adam Weishaupt on 19/05/2006 07:34:28
No. Go for it, CCP. If it fails in testing, it fails, but if not, there's a lot to gain.
Edit: Read the press release, and read the dev blog - this isn't a waste of time at all. How efficient are the third party programs, even for those who know how to use all the features? A specific solution is always better. And it's not mandatory...not like you don't have to pay for the TS/Vent servers, anyway.
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Rangar
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Posted - 2006.05.19 07:45:00 -
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No VOIP please. That will cause problems!
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fuze
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Posted - 2006.05.19 08:01:00 -
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Another reason would be that spread TS/Vent srv are way harder to hit with DDOS attacks than a single service from a payed serverpark.
There are enough RL pirates that ransom servers with their botnets. Yarrr? |
Joe
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Posted - 2006.05.19 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Think they are going to stop development of it because we have a vote? They didnt ask if we wanted it before they started with it, and they wont care if we say we dont want it now either.
Correct, the Devs AND gm's have commented previously in 'petition' threads.
They do_not_care what you think. If they want player feedback, they will ask for it. Petitions are basicly whine threads and the mods should be quicker to act imho.
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