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Bilboz
Y N HUH
WUT ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:14:00 -
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I vote fail looks to nothing but window dressing and major issues like truesec and fixing hybrids were ignored/pushed off yet again. So in 2 weeks we get more crap and empty space. |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:16:00 -
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Absolute ****. Too many promises unfulfilled.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:19:00 -
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Is this a troll post or a whine post? I mean, they are getting back on track and starting to fix as many problems as possible. Stop whining. |
Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit
KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:24:00 -
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What about waiting until it's published?
And are there really persons, who expect * A L L * done promisses being packed into one release? 
Again the rule got it's confirmation: "You cannot satisfy everyone."
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:24:00 -
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Sure, I'll be the Devil's Advocate here.
This expansion has a lot of neat stuff. The new ships, lots of neat little fixes, a change of direction, plenty of balance changes, not to mention the extra glitter in the form of nebulae, stars, trails..
.. But all of it is indeed small stuff.
The big problems Eve has right now are with its core. Nullsec needs a revamp. Lowsec needs a revamp. Faction Warfare, Sov, Bounty Hunting, Smuggling, Mining and Industry.
These are the big things, and this expansion won't address any of them.
Crucible is buying time and goodwill. And it'll buy a lot of it.
But the fight isn't even close to over. |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:27:00 -
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Black Dranzer wrote:Sure, I'll be the Devil's Advocate here.
This expansion has a lot of neat stuff. The new ships, lots of neat little fixes, a change of direction, plenty of balance changes, not to mention the extra glitter in the form of nebulae, stars, trails..
.. But all of it is indeed small stuff.
The big problems Eve has right now are with its core. Nullsec needs a revamp. Lowsec needs a revamp. Faction Warfare, Sov, Bounty Hunting, Smuggling, Mining and Industry.
These are the big things, and this expansion won't address any of them.
Crucible is buying time and goodwill. And it'll buy a lot of it.
But the fight isn't even close to over.
Of course not, but its a step in the right direction. It'll take a while for them to revamp all the core ideas of EVE, but some of this small stuff was rather necessary. I mean, really, they got rid of engine trails forever ago to be dickbags. They NEEDED to put those back in. |
Rixiu
North Star Networks
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:27:00 -
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Guys, this is only the first part and it's only natural that there's loads of low-handing fruit in this one. As far as I know ther'll still be two more early next year with what I assume will be FW fixes, another revisit to blasters (if necissary), Assault Frigs etc.
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Fix Hybrids
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:37:00 -
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This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.
The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about. |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:41:00 -
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Fix Hybrids wrote:This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.
The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about.
Whats "FW"?
Is that some sorta new module or something? Certainly you aren't talking about Faction Warfare. That boat sailed like two years ago. |
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:45:00 -
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Bilboz wrote:I vote fail looks to nothing but window dressing and major issues like truesec and fixing hybrids were ignored/pushed off yet again. So in 2 weeks we get more crap and empty space.
Geez, can't even wait til after the launch to call fail.
You know, criticism is good and all. But without context it doesn't do anything.
And they have done some fixes to true-sec, and they have introduced some balances to hybrids.
But as always that is not what you truly meant, and that I should read between the lines because explaining it is too mutch of a bother.
I guess this is also the fault of the SCM and their lack of communication to the devs. And that this somehow is Mittanis true goal in ruining EVE. And that the goons ultimately are to blame.
Have I covered all the tinfoils now aswell? |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:47:00 -
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Fix Hybrids wrote:This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.
The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about.
I have a feeling that this isn't the expansion they had initially planned. It's likely that they were going to go one direction up until late September, and now have done this in 2 months based on what happened over Monaclegate. |
Dunmur
Next Stage Initiative
Trans-Stellar Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:50:00 -
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Well this expansion does almost nothing for me as a player. My patients are gone after 3 years the hybrid changes are detestable. Nullsec changes are nonexistent. So im just going to unsub for the next year or more while they finnish "tweaking" hybrids and nullsec. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:14:00 -
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Dunmur wrote: My patients are gone after 3 years .
So you work in a hospital and after 3 years your patients ran away? |
Soon Shin
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
9
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:17:00 -
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Its better than the previous crap expansions, but not good enough. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:17:00 -
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Winter expansion: when is the final part released?
The first part (Nov 29th) is not the complete expansion.
Absolute **** is this Tempest Fit. |
Drifterin Thedark
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:19:00 -
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Wail. |
DeLaBu
FireStar Inc
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:21:00 -
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Win.
Seeing as they did a 180 on their direction, and they probably did not have a full dev cycle for the "new" direction, it makes sense they'll go for the 80% gain for 20% effort things first.
Hopefully they are now settled in their new better direction and will start to work on those things not so easy to fix quickly and that may need a full dev cycle to do properly.
Also, people aren't just CPUs you plug in - it's understandable that some things will just be bling, because some of the developers are bling developers and can't just be plugged in to do core stuff.
Of course, time will tell whether they will take this much needed revamp end-out and fix the biggies that are remaining.
For now, I am happy with many small annoyances fixed, stemming the supercap tide, some new toys, fair lag and some new bling.
Now you just keep on heading in that direction CCP  |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
137
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:23:00 -
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It depends on your perspective. From a content or balancing standpoint, this expansion is pretty thin imho, and I'm sure a lot of people would agree with that. However, if you were to ask me incidentally I say it's a win, because what it really represents is CCP sending a message to us that they are re-focused on making a great space game first and WiS as time allows. That fundamental shift in priorities and meaningful effort to 'turn the ship around' mid-establishments-stride is a pretty strong move, and I think it gives people a reason to get excited again for the future of eve. I'm willing to say that despite/given a 'thin' release and the time restraints of doing all this since the Fearless incident, CCPs done very well under the circumstances. I would expect something much more robust come summer, but for now I am happy with the direction of the game and look forward to many more years of good EvE gameplay.
...just my 2 isk.
TL;DR; Win.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:25:00 -
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Fix Hybrids wrote:This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.
The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about.
what about some research into those issues before you start barking...
I am sorry that hybrid changes didnt make hybrids the best weapon system all around.
Faction warfare : i am not the one interested in it/speaking of research, but if you read through some interesting posts there, especially one from Hans you would know that CSM will have discussion regarding FW and that Hans is in contact with CSM about it.
NullSec revamp : well SC nerf will actually make some changes to null, sure sovereignty mechanics etc. is hardly my field of expertise and i am quite confident that current CSM actually knows whats what and have had some discussion on it, or will have.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:29:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Winter expansion: when is the final part released? The first part (Nov 29th) is not the complete expansion. Absolute **** is this Tempest Fit.
well actually its not that bad of an setup concidering lvl III missions the dual 425s are good call..
trimarks well you never know if someone will try to suicide gank you xD hardly this ship tho
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ilmon
Unknown Soldiers
RED.Legion
1
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:34:00 -
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some nice things are coming but a few importent things they promised are missing like a decent hybrid rebalance and no change at all to faction warfare..........
also since when is a font change a FEATURE |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:37:00 -
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While a lot of the stuff that is coming at the end of the month is indeed just fluff it is pretty damned good fluff and should thrill a great many people. If there is anyone out there that hasn't seen the new nebulae or V3 ship skins on Sisi they are going to be blown away.
Some of the more substantial changes that ccp promised were probably a bit too in depth to make it into this expansion but hopefully they are working on them and they are just a few months away rather than put off until next spring or summer. |
Trotula
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:44:00 -
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Fail.
Lots of smoke and mirrors, PR hype speak and nothing of substance that proves Hilmar was even one bit sincere in his apology. I'll be only keeping accounts active just long enough to eat up spare time before SWTOR launches. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2011.11.15 23:15:00 -
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Parts are going to be a very nice patch. Some long overdue tweaks and some new shiny for the eyes.
At least two things are horrible.
- The shafting of small outfits that do PI in lowsec by introducing the new low sec pirate hobby target the player owned CO.
- The introduction of real space barbie with the new full avatar spinning interface. That being another desperate attempt to get us to spend $$ at the NeX store. CCP!! I will not be buying NeX clothing to wear to show off to random folk spinning my image in the worlds only on person per instance MMORPG UI.
All the major promises were dropped, FW, real SOV mechanics fixes, assualt frigate revamp, real hybrid fixing.
And other long overdue areas were ignored - MINING!!! PLEASE CCP!!! Its been the same since I started in 2004!
But based on the reaction so far - WINNING - for CCP PR
Fail - if really graded as an expansion.
Issler
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ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.11.15 23:31:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Winter expansion: when is the final part released? The first part (Nov 29th) is not the complete expansion. Absolute **** is this Tempest Fit.
Thats almost as bad as someone who thinks EHP doesnt take resists into account
Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.15 23:41:00 -
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nevermind... forum ate my post. |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.16 00:30:00 -
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All the whiners and unsubbers can contract their stuff and ISK to me, and then you can go biomass. |
Skaz
Skazmanian Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.16 00:35:00 -
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I think it's unrealistic to think that this is other than a peacemaking effort, whatever they could cobble together before x-mas. An enticement for people to re-sub and keeping subscribers. It's basically stuff that they had on their to-do list and was easy to do, can't really expect something major changes from that tbh. I do think they've overhyped this one to a degree and it'll **** of those who are coming back expecting something big.
Having said that though they did say something along the line that it was simply that. They would be starting with a small effort as a show of good faith. and continuing with a larger effort next year. Whether that will actually happen, well that remains to be seen.
I'm looking for their announcement of their next expansion. That's the one that will count. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.11.16 00:48:00 -
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I agree with the guy above me. The next expansion is the one that matters.
I've never done FW but since everyone says it's broken I can only assume it is. If they fix FW, fix COSMOS, bring us the modular POS, complete V3 and allow ship reskinning I'll be happy with the next expansion.
Low sec and null sec... I'm assuming they're waiting on DUST for that. Since sov will probably be tied in with conquering planets, I'm not sure how you remake 0.0 without rolling out DUST first. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 00:55:00 -
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EVE online , don't like sparkles in station? Have sparkles in space!!!! |
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