Sure, I'll be the Devil's Advocate here.

This expansion has a lot of neat stuff. The new ships, lots of neat little fixes, a change of direction, plenty of balance changes, not to mention the extra glitter in the form of nebulae, stars, trails..

.. But all of it is indeed small stuff.

The big problems Eve has right now are with its core. Nullsec needs a revamp. Lowsec needs a revamp. Faction Warfare, Sov, Bounty Hunting, Smuggling, Mining and Industry.

These are the big things, and this expansion won't address any of them.

Crucible is buying time and goodwill. And it'll buy a lot of it.

But the fight isn't even close to over.

This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.

The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about.

I vote fail looks to nothing but window dressing and major issues like truesec and fixing hybrids were ignored/pushed off yet again. So in 2 weeks we get more crap and empty space.

This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.

The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about.

My patients are gone after 3 years .

This is an art expansion. It's all very pretty and shiny and sparkly, but it's only skin deep.

The changes to hybrids are just insulting.
The devs seem to have forgotten FW exists.
Nullsec revamp hasn't been mentioned in months, which is odd, since this is what this expansion was initially supposed to be all about.

Winter expansion: when is the final part released?

The first part (Nov 29th) is not the complete expansion.

Absolute **** is this Tempest Fit.

Winter expansion: when is the final part released?

The first part (Nov 29th) is not the complete expansion.

Absolute **** is this Tempest Fit.

I think it's unrealistic to think that this is other than a peacemaking effort, whatever they could cobble together before x-mas. An enticement for people to re-sub and keeping subscribers. It's basically stuff that they had on their to-do list and was easy to do, can't really expect something major changes from that tbh. I do think they've overhyped this one to a degree and it'll **** of those who are coming back expecting something big.

Having said that though they did say something along the line that it was simply that. They would be starting with a small effort as a show of good faith. and continuing with a larger effort next year. Whether that will actually happen, well that remains to be seen.

I'm looking for their announcement of their next expansion. That's the one that will count.

Emphasis added... yah I agree with this. The pressure should be on. This expansion is a peacemaker. The next one is either going to be the dealmaker or dealbreaker I bet. I'll still play (probably) to some small capacity either way, but I won't need multiple accounts to do that if the next one isn't really good...

Sure, I'll be the Devil's Advocate here.

This expansion has a lot of neat stuff. The new ships, lots of neat little fixes, a change of direction, plenty of balance changes, not to mention the extra glitter in the form of nebulae, stars, trails..

.. But all of it is indeed small stuff.

The big problems Eve has right now are with its core. Nullsec needs a revamp. Lowsec needs a revamp. Faction Warfare, Sov, Bounty Hunting, Smuggling, Mining and Industry.

These are the big things, and this expansion won't address any of them.

Crucible is buying time and goodwill. And it'll buy a lot of it.

But the fight isn't even close to over.

well actually its not that bad of an setup concidering lvl III missions the dual 425s are good call..

trimarks well you never know if someone will try to suicide gank you xD hardly this ship tho

Win mostly, with a smidge of fail.

And are there really persons, who expect * A L L * done promisses being packed into one release?

I don't get why people keep whining about the Hybrid changes.

The chances of CCP getting the hybrid rebalance perfect in one shot is practically nill, so I'd much rather they gradually improve it till they are good, instead of going back and forth between overpowered and wimpy till they get it right.

what the hell are you talking about? you dont get why people keep whining about hybrids? try: 25% of the ships in the game are entirely useless in serious pvp scenarios, and now theyre just gonna look at fleet metrics for who knows how long. the changes, while 'beneficial', are entirely insignificant. we wont be seeing any changes in Gallente ship use. this is what everyone has been saying since the changes were announced: i.e. increasing blaster damage is unproductive if my ship keeps getting kited to death.

hybrids need huge, sweeping changes. like the once missiles, projectiles and lasers got. these changes are needed NOW, not in 6 months.

and it's beyond me why theyre calling a bunch of graphical updates an "expansion". try actually sticking to that original list and you may get a product than can be called an expansion. what we're getting on the 29th is fluff.

Hurf Blurf

Ofcourse blasters suck against nano kiting setups, thats the way it should be you pubbie.

I vote fail looks to nothing but window dressing and major issues like truesec and fixing hybrids were ignored/pushed off yet again. So in 2 weeks we get more crap and empty space.

Win, because it's a step towards refocusing on the core game. I expect we'll get a very nice expansion for summer 2012 since the development goal is to make something on the level of Apocrypha or better.

Eurogamer: Can we expect to see another expansion of the scope and popularity of Apocrypha?

Hilmar P+¬tursson: That is very much what we're aiming for: a really focused awesome expansion like that, but right now we're doing the winter expansion, along the lines of our focus on flying-in-space. It's very much my hope that we achieve a fantastic expansion like Apocrypha, which was a great example of what we as a company can achieve if we really focus on a singular mission like that.

Did you really think I would say something like that without being able to back it up?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-eurogamer-interviews-ccps-hilmar-petursson-interview



Did you really think I would say something like that without being able to back it up?

And personally, if I were CCP, I'd do away with SOV completely. If you want to 'own' a nullsec system, do so with numbers, and defending what you can hold onto, not with the ability to vomit up and defend a module. Buff the anoms etc, but remove the anchor bubbles, we have ships that do that instead of lazy people who prop a bunch on every gate every day.

definit WIN... dont realy get what some of the haters in here are hurfblurfing about....

Besides the amazing graphics updates, we get a buckload of features/fixes, some of them demanded for a long time...

• Hybrid Rebalance - it happend so stop whining, no broken promises there... they promised to reiterate after seeing it on the live server, small steps are good mkay :P
• Supercap Rebalance - might very well shake up the way huge wars are fought in 0.0
• Time dilation - possibly a big step in the fight against lag, could turn out to be huge win or total fail...but a bold step nevertheless
• POS Fuel changes
• 4 New Ships with unique abilities
• Anomaly Rebalance
• New T2 Modules
• New Captains Quarters - ok well not realy looking forward to this...but a feature nevertheless...
• Player owned customs offices

The hybrid changes tell me one thing ccp is not willing to do anything that might change the status quo. These changes are like slapping a band aid on a broken arm (useless).