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Valerian
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:31:00 -
[121]
Does this also affect other drone boats (Curse-Pilgrim)?
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Max Hardcase
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.18 15:12:00 -
[122]
pffft come back when you have done a real statistical test.
your 2 tests show a laughable close to 10% difference between them.
Come back when you have compiled a Db of a few thousand hits.
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dralid
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.18 15:51:00 -
[123]
Devs please can you test this and let us know?
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:05:00 -
[124]
 Originally by: Max Hardcase
pffft come back when you have done a real statistical test.
your 2 tests show a laughable close to 10% difference between them.
Come back when you have compiled a Db of a few thousand hits.
It's all fun to look though on the forums and all. Unfortunately for you, you just looked like an *****.
You only need 2 hits, if you manage to get 2 wrecking hits.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:05:00 -
[125]
A better test would be 5 light drones to a plated BS with TPs on it moving at 0 ms.
Measure time from start armor damage to 0% armor.
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Commander Nikolas
Gallente
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.11.18 22:31:00 -
[126]
Alright here are a list of replies to the following questions:
"Do more tests... test this... test that"
All you need to do is compair 2 wrecking hits! End of story... Read farjungs earlier post in this thread....
"Why should a cruiser do BS damage??"
The Ishtar is NOT the Dominix... Stop posting about this... Even with 10% Drone damage it does not do BATTLESHIP DAMAGE... Stop posting this... The Ishtar with the drone bonus barely does HAC damage (400DPS... compaired to other HACs 500-700DPS)... When you cut the bonus in half that drops dwon from 400DPS to around 300DPS making in the weakest grid, hp, cpu, and dps HAC out there... so stop posting this...
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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:43:00 -
[127]
the next time i'm on TQ i'm gunna test, thn offcially bug report this...
I suggest you do the same.
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RoDs84
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Posted - 2006.11.19 19:27:00 -
[128]
Just checked and confirmed the bug of the Ishtar drone bonus myself, and then sent a bug report about it.
Acolyte got 69.9 wrecking damage to 0% resist shield of a battlecruiser of my friend, where my drone int. is 4 and combat drone int. is 4.
69.9 / 7.5 (acolyte EM base damage) / 1.15 (acolyte damage multiplier) / 1.2 (combat drone int) / 1.8 (drone int) / 3 (wrecking hit) = 1.25 ( 5 x 5% )
where it should obviously be 1.5 ( 5 x 10% ) since cruiser level is already 5.
I think they will correct this one with the next minor patch.
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Mr Bondy
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.19 22:44:00 -
[129]
After reading the majority, and browsing the rest of this thread, and seeing many arguments for/against the ishtar haveing the same drone DPS as a domi it seems one argument has not come up.
If i remember correctly the ishtar (pre patch) could use a maximum of 15 heavy drones = same as the dominix. Surely this is a significant indication that this amount of damage was both considered and factored into the ship by the Devs to maintain balance.
So if it was origially supposed to have the same drone dps as a domi, then one could conclude that the bonus post-patch should remain the same as the dominix
I for one feel that this is allmost certainly a bug and not just a re-balence
MrB - appologies if this point has been raised before
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Caerula Sanguis
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:31:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Caerula Sanguis on 21/11/2006 19:31:39
Bump, for the love of drones. Has any GM talk about this issue?
Ishtar only gets 5% drone dmg and hp ~!
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.22 01:02:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Commander Thrawn
just to make sure, are you fitting blaster on these ships or just nos?
Irrelevant for the point of the post.
To sum it up for those too dense to read the whole post:
Using nothing but drones, an Ishtar should do the same damage as a domi with BS level 5. But an NPC he has no problems killing with domi (using only drones) he cant kill in Ishtar. THAT would be a huge problem, if it wasnt just some fluke thing.
Now, one possible explanation for this, is that some NPCs go into a sort of "uber tank" mode in certain situations. For example, the Strain mother (final boss in lvl 5 drone complexes) goes into insane tanking mode if any hostile gets within 50k or so of it, including drones. Im not familiar with the NPC you said you were trying to down, but its possible it has a similar effect, but maybe only dependent on ship range (so maybe you got too close in ishtar and triggered uber tank, but in the domi you never did because of its slower speed ?) ??
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RoDs84
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Posted - 2006.11.22 01:04:00 -
[132]
bump,
I'm sure this is an in-game fault, the description is true this time (unlike Thanathos' situtation :) If admins see this, I'm sure it will get fixed asap with a minor patch.
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.22 20:51:00 -
[133]
would be really nice to get a dev response on this...
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Scarlett Yo'Mason
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Posted - 2006.11.23 01:30:00 -
[134]
Bump for GM response?
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Mara Fenris
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Posted - 2006.11.23 17:23:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Mara Fenris on 23/11/2006 17:23:24
if i remember correctly the ishtar got the 10% damage bonus to compensate for the halved drone bay. half drone bay but tougher and stronger drones.
If they stealth nerf it to only 5% then the current ishtar would be a lot weaker than the previous one.
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RoDs84
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Posted - 2006.11.24 12:14:00 -
[136]
I think its out of question they stealth nerf it, its a bug, since Vexor (tech1 version) also has the 10% bonus as well as an Amarr recon, on the drones. Ishtar is a drone oriented HAC, with avarage (not all skilss maxed out) DPS of 420, which is not to be considered high with long time skill training for T2 heavies.
Btw, has anyone tested Vexor if it got the same bug, or Curse and Pilgrim if they realy have the true 10% bonus?
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars Caelestis
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.24 13:40:00 -
[137]
I got an in game response to my petition, it was a canned message saying blah blah blah we have our hands full on Kali, is your petition really that important ?
Wow, things are looking pretty good for the Ishtar 
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Havegrillen
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Posted - 2006.11.24 13:50:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Rastigan
I got an in game response to my petition, it was a canned message saying blah blah blah we have our hands full on Kali, is your petition really that important ?
Wow, things are looking pretty good for the Ishtar
thats utterly bs if they give you such a response, it doesnt take 5-20 people to look into this issue, just 1 person to correct the database issue if this truely is a bug.
same person can test if this truely is the case and multiple people have bug reported it, so whats going on there, or is it just an auto response from the customer support? :P
/havegrillen
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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.24 13:57:00 -
[139]
Maybe after kali has been out for a couple weeks we'll have more luck with a responce. Seems to me all we need is a dev to look at the appropriate place in the code and change a 5 to a 10.
When I filed my bug report, I did not specify it as a Kali bug so I suspect that was a good way to fast track it into the recycle bin.
-Bart
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Matthew Trakand
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Posted - 2006.11.24 21:15:00 -
[140]
I thought my ishtar was a bit low on DPS. I switched to it from a domi expecting a 1.5/1.4 increase in damage, yet it felt like less. (I am using these ships for isk making atm)
Cant wait for my free 1.5/1.25 damage bonus 
For all those ******* trolls that say the isktar shouldnt do BS damage, it never will. It can hardly fit 3 medium e-blasters, whereas a domi can easily fit 6 heavy n-blasters, 6 d-250mm rails, or 6 mega e-blasters. BTW, the drone damage of the isktar is ~485 DPS with max skill. Other HACs do that with their primary weapon, so quit your ******* *****ing and gimme my %10 bonus per level!
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RoDs84
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Posted - 2006.11.25 13:57:00 -
[141]
I assumed it will be fixed with Kali 1, but seems to be later, hope it won't take long...
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Zubus
Amarr
CCCP INC
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Posted - 2006.11.26 06:45:00 -
[142]
Fear not ishtar lovers, just got back from sisi, and can confirm that the bonus is now 10%.
Ogre 2's against a tanked abaddon corpie, myrmidon and domi (BC and BS both @4) got 89.6 wrecking, ishtar got 95.8.
Now i know that's probably not the *best* way of testing, shoulda used EM drones against shields, but still, the ishtar seems to get it's 10%/lvl bonus as per description!
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Caerula Sanguis
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.11.27 20:08:00 -
[143]
Darn it, GMs. It's one thing to hide your mistake, but if you have fixed it, at least state in the patch notes~!
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Sir Howard
Gallente
Infinity Aeronautics
EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2006.11.27 21:20:00 -
[144]
I'm going to assume that since we are talking about the 10% bonus to drones dmg and hitpoints that this not only effects the Ishtar and Domi but also the Vexor....which i currently fly.
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Havegrillen
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Posted - 2006.11.29 05:48:00 -
[145]
nothing wrong with the vexor or dominix, the "correct" damage bonus is left out on the ishtar :)
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Havegrillen
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Posted - 2006.11.29 05:48:00 -
[146]
nothing wrong with the vexor or dominix, the "correct" damage bonus is left out on the ishtar :)
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 05:51:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Havegrillen
nothing wrong with the vexor or dominix, the "correct" damage bonus is left out on the ishtar :)
Actually as of 3 hours ago it there is nothing wrong with the Ishtar either. 
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 05:51:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Havegrillen
nothing wrong with the vexor or dominix, the "correct" damage bonus is left out on the ishtar :)
Actually as of 3 hours ago it there is nothing wrong with the Ishtar either.
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Havegrillen
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Posted - 2006.11.29 06:25:00 -
[149]
joy! , then i havent wasted weeks of training 
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Vestah
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2006.11.29 08:07:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Justice Bringer
The 3 other Vexor class ships all received the increase to drone damage and hitpoints, and you will take note that the Ishtar doesn't receive the mining drone yield. Now that would be a waste of a ship  .
My mining Ishtar dreams are crushed. 
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