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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:05:00 -
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There's no need to further test, his test shows that the ishtar is getting only a 5% per level boost to drone damage, now who is going to do the bug report?
-Bart
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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:32:00 -
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Okay you lazy lumps, I did the bug report.
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Sabine Borgia
Amarr
Antares Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.12 09:19:00 -
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mh bad about math but i feel same the drones from the ishtar do lesser dmg i use also drones in absolution and they deal way faster with ceptors and frigs then same drones in ishtar
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:56:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: Chronus26
Thats because Hobgoblins = Thermal, Vespas = Kinetic and Serpentis are weakest to Thermic.
Incorrect. An 1.25 mil serp BS has 45% kin and 55% thermal resistance, for example. Check here for example:
http://eveinfo.com/missions/301/eve-online-ambush-the-convoy
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Tar Miniatur
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Posted - 2006.11.12 12:01:00 -
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How do you fill a bug report ? I couldn't find it in the petition list :-/
I suggest everyone fill a bug report for that !
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commander tycho
Minmatar
Blood Inquisition
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.11.12 12:34:00 -
[36]
People, look at the date of the first post!
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.11.12 13:11:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Farjung
Edited by: Farjung on 11/11/2006 16:22:09
"Easy" way to test definitively would be to wait until you get a wrecking hit in the logs from both ships, as wrecking hit is always 3 x damage mod x damage, so you'll be able to derive what the damage mod is.
Indeed, that's how I verified that my DI5 wasn't bugged. I used sentry drones at optimal btw., to avoid tracking / range issues.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.12 13:36:00 -
[38]
From the Database (courtesy of HippoKing, I claim no credit)
Vexor
Ishtar
Let's play spot the difference kids! 
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.12 13:45:00 -
[39]
Originally by: keepiru
From the Database (courtesy of HippoKing, I claim no credit)
Vexor
Ishtar
Let's play spot the difference kids!
Oh oh oh, I know! I know! It's the sig radius!
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EVE is sick. |
keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.12 13:54:00 -
[40]
You win: a cookie
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Please fix BC Sig/Agility! |
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Taipan Gedscho
Taipan Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.12 14:51:00 -
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and the tech level, the warpspeed multiplier, the cap size,
the sig res... oh... and i was to say the second bonus... but...
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.11.12 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Pan Crastus on 12/11/2006 16:41:49
Originally by: keepiru
From the Database (courtesy of HippoKing, I claim no credit)
Vexor
Ishtar
Let's play spot the difference kids!
How old is this database? The latest QuickFit version shows shipBonusGC2 = 10 for the Ishtar, although the last DB I downloaded has:
# grep shipBonusGC2 *
dbo_dgmAttributeTypes.csv:"658";"shipBonusGC2";"5";...
# grep Ishtar *.csv
dbo_invTypes.csv:"12.005";"358";"Ishtar";...
# grep 12.005 *|grep 658
dbo_dgmTypeAttributes.csv:"12.005";"658";"";"5,00"
So this bonus is 5.0 in the latest DB ... (therefore the description of the Ishtar seems to be wrong)
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.12 16:45:00 -
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Ahahaha stealth nerfs 4tw
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.11.12 18:14:00 -
[44]
So they DID indeed nerf Ishtar? Nice! 
"It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö"
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White Ronin
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Posted - 2006.11.12 18:32:00 -
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So should the raise the bonus to 10%?
Should they touch it at all given the success of the Ishtar?
An additional 5%+ per level would seem to make the Ishtar a beast given that it is currently a very tough HAC to start with.
So what to do....
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.12 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: KillmAll187
I have noticed the same thing TBH.
Same, when i switched to an ishtar missions seemed to take longer and ceptors NPC's seemed to take a lot longer to kill.
I always figured it was me and that everything was just fine.
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Vestah
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:23:00 -
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Does this problem affect the other drone ships too?
arbitrator
curse
pilgrim
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Yarek Balear
The Initiative
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Yarek Balear on 13/11/2006 12:19:35
Originally by: White Ronin
So should the raise the bonus to 10%?
Should they touch it at all given the success of the Ishtar?
An additional 5%+ per level would seem to make the Ishtar a beast given that it is currently a very tough HAC to start with.
So what to do....
Good question... when I first read this I was in uproar, but in the cold light of day I'm not so sure. My argument used to be that it meant that a Domi out-damaged an Ishtar - but then a Geddon out-damages a Zealot...
Then thought there was no real reason to fly one other than having a penchant for green, but the same goes for the Zealot/Geddon argument again... [EDIT: I know a zealot isn't green, but it's the pimp-factor I'm referring to really]
Although I hate to admit it, it might just be more balanced the way it is 
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
Edited by: Yarek Balear on 13/11/2006 12:19:35
Originally by: White Ronin
So should the raise the bonus to 10%?
Should they touch it at all given the success of the Ishtar?
An additional 5%+ per level would seem to make the Ishtar a beast given that it is currently a very tough HAC to start with.
So what to do....
Good question... when I first read this I was in uproar, but in the cold light of day I'm not so sure. My argument used to be that it meant that a Domi out-damaged an Ishtar - but then a Geddon out-damages a Zealot...
Then thought there was no real reason to fly one other than having a penchant for green, but the same goes for the Zealot/Geddon argument again... [EDIT: I know a zealot isn't green, but it's the pimp-factor I'm referring to really]
Although I hate to admit it, it might just be more balanced the way it is
Ishtar does not have the same damage as a dominix with a 10% bonus as you neglect the 6 high slots. Just like a zealot, Ishtar doesnt do nearly as much damage as its big brother expecially if the dominix is set up for pure damage in which case its one of the 2 most powerfull BS in the game. If you use nos on your dominix this still applies ans a few heavy nos wipe away anything an Ishtar can do.
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The Knight
Gallente
The Crucible
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Father Weebles
Originally by: Moostang
Edited by: Moostang on 04/06/2006 22:11:33Heavy Drone Ops - lvl 3
theres your problem
Yup..noticed that also.
Fix that and Hoborak Moon (the angel big bounty NPC version for Vengeance) will be calling you daddy.
Also, the Ishtar is a much better mission ship than the Domi, hands down. Tech II resists coupled with the same drone DPS as the Domi makes the Ishtar and extremely efficient mission ship. In fact, because it takes less damage than the Domi you don't need to rep as much, which means you've got some spare mid-slots that would have been used for cap recharging...I fit drone damage mods and boost the drone DPS even more.
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:30:00 -
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WTF!!!WTF!!! they nerfed her?!?!?!? AAAARRRGGHHH!!!! what is thiss?!? im speechless...
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Alpha Prime
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:32:00 -
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This is just my opinion. But no matter what tech, NO cruiser
should EVER be able to outDPS a frikkin Battleship.
And dont gimme that "Hacs are more expensive", cuz we all know
why they have reached a skyhigh price. I belive you¦re just
whining because you just bought a ship for almost 3x the cost
of Domi, and now you find out that the juice was not worth the squeeze.
Having Tux fixing the blasterships is like having
a blind man teaching you how to drive. Just wont work.
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha Prime
This is just my opinion. But no matter what tech, NO cruiser
should EVER be able to outDPS a frikkin Battleship.
And dont gimme that "Hacs are more expensive", cuz we all know
why they have reached a skyhigh price. I belive you¦re just
whining because you just bought a ship for almost 3x the cost
of Domi, and now you find out that the juice was not worth the squeeze.
out damage a battle ship? where? ishtar vs dominix? u gotta be joking me. large nos? large blasters? 7 lows with massive hp?
ccp its not fair... NOT FAİR AT ALL!!!
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente
The Underground
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:02:00 -
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the issue is drone damage as this topic is talking about, if you make it 10% boost to med and light and 5% boost for heavy that will be a perfect fix for 7.5% boost all around, there problem solved
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Almasy
the issue is drone damage as this topic is talking about, if you make it 10% boost to med and light and 5% boost for heavy that will be a perfect fix for 7.5% boost all around, there problem solved
gallente bs lvl 5 = %50 drone damage
gallente Cruiser lvl 5 = %50 drone damage
ishtar never outdamaged dominix...
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente
The Underground
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Almasy on 13/11/2006 15:16:57
Originally by: Akiman
Originally by: Vincent Almasy
the issue is drone damage as this topic is talking about, if you make it 10% boost to med and light and 5% boost for heavy that will be a perfect fix for 7.5% boost all around, there problem solved
gallente bs lvl 5 = %50 drone damage
gallente Cruiser lvl 5 = %50 drone damage
ishtar never outdamaged dominix...
they are having an issue because the drone damage would match, mostly talking about the heavies being a BS kind of drone, so i offered to make a shift.
Now that I look at a vexor it also has the 10% boost so making the HAC form weaker does not make any sence, I withdraw I idea formally stated. Next opion... Use rails on a domi, there damage settled.
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:15:00 -
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Is it a nerf or a bug? any info about this? and thanks to devs for not explaining anything!!!
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Almasy
Originally by: Akiman
Originally by: Vincent Almasy
the issue is drone damage as this topic is talking about, if you make it 10% boost to med and light and 5% boost for heavy that will be a perfect fix for 7.5% boost all around, there problem solved
gallente bs lvl 5 = %50 drone damage
gallente Cruiser lvl 5 = %50 drone damage
ishtar never outdamaged dominix...
they are having an issue because the drone damage would match, mostly talking about the heavies being a BS kind of drone, so i offered to make a shift.
its normal.There are many frigates using med shield extenders...thoraxes using small blasters...cruisers using 1600 plates...thats the flexibility of the game...if u can fit it there ya go.
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The Knight
Gallente
The Crucible
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha Prime
This is just my opinion. But no matter what tech, NO cruiser
should EVER be able to outDPS a frikkin Battleship.
And dont gimme that "Hacs are more expensive", cuz we all know
why they have reached a skyhigh price. I belive you¦re just
whining because you just bought a ship for almost 3x the cost
of Domi, and now you find out that the juice was not worth the squeeze.
The Ishtar can't out damage a Domi, but its twice as good in missions as a Domi.
In PvP, the Ishtar is amongst the best of HAC's...just a matter of personal choice on whether or not you want to use it.
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Mo Minor
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:25:00 -
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err sorry guys. this thread is neither about balance issues nor about what deals more OOMPH.
its simply and strictly about the fact, that either the ishtars drone bonus OR its description is broken.
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