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Vadeim Rizen
TYR. Exodus.
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:47:00 -
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Please dial back interceptors just a little bit. This ship is so strong in way too many ways. Fastest ships in game, fastest warping ships in the game, point/scram range bonus, sig radius reduction bonus, interdiction nullified and with the malediction and crow throw in never-missing DPS... all for under 20 mil for a hull.
I propose instead of having 2 classes of interceptors that one does DPS, and one does scram/point bonus, having the 2 different classes with one being nullified, and one with the scram/point bonus... AND dial back the warp speed for both just a bit. Don't really need a dps inty when you have assault frigs anyways. |
Vicar2008
Mindstar Technology Get Off My Lawn
97
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:54:00 -
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Vadeim Rizen wrote:Please dial back interceptors just a little bit. This ship is so strong in way too many ways. Fastest ships in game, fastest warping ships in the game, point/scram range bonus, sig radius reduction bonus, interdiction nullified and with the malediction and crow throw in never-missing DPS... all for under 20 mil for a hull.
I propose instead of having 2 classes of interceptors that one does DPS, and one does scram/point bonus, having the 2 different classes with one being nullified, and one with the scram/point bonus... AND dial back the warp speed for both just a bit. Don't really need a dps inty when you have assault frigs anyways.
I dont know what the odds were of the two of us posting pretty much similar topics at the same time, but i gave it a like and a +1 |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
79
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:23:00 -
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If anything, Inties are finally where they should be. And yes, you do already have your two classes of inties, one specializing in dps, the other in tackle range.
People that fly them, they love them. People that die to them, well, you need to stop being AFK. |
Vadeim Rizen
TYR. Exodus.
73
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:32:00 -
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Of course inties are fun to fly, i fly them myself every once in a while. It's fun to fly around in a ship where you can't die unless you dont know how to transversal. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
429
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:41:00 -
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Inties are the only ships in game that are "perfect" right now.
And even that might change since MMJDs were added which pretty much **** on longpoints.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Vadeim Rizen
TYR. Exodus.
74
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:00:00 -
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yeah, they're perfect because they do all things well. but that doesn't fall in line with everything else that rise is trying to do, making you decide which strength you want to take advantage of, not have something that has so many bonus's. It just doesn't make sense to me. Apparently I'm in the minority which is fine, just stating my opinion that the fact intie's are so strong has completely changed the meta of lowsec and especially null-sec roaming. With the warp speed changes and interceptors being as they are, taking a gang 20 jumps deep into null just isn't fun anymore primarily due to not being able to gtfo when the blob undocks. I just dont like the meta. Makes eve boring for small gang roaming. |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing
227
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:01:00 -
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If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS. |
Vadeim Rizen
TYR. Exodus.
74
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:04:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.
Not sure if serious, but the fact that it has all those bonus's and can still apply is a bit ridiculous, i agree with you. |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing
227
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:20:00 -
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Vadeim Rizen wrote:TheMercenaryKing wrote:If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS. Not sure if serious, but the fact that it has all those bonus's and can still apply dps is a bit ridiculous, i agree with you.
The theory behind this is that nullification on interceptors make sense, in some ways, but the fact they can do similar DPS to Assault frigs is overpowered.
How is it's current DPS overpowered? Why would you fly an assault frig when you can speed tank or run away with a interceptor? interceptors should exist to catch up and slow down or interdict hostiles, not necessarily kill them single handed. |
Omega Crendraven
Tackled In Belt xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
163
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:22:00 -
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+1 for recognizing intys are OP in Exodus))) [ xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx } ] HISEC / NULLSEC / LOWSEC Mercenary Alliance |
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
453
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Posted - 2014.06.13 17:56:00 -
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Wow. You would almost think that weren't some mid or high slot modules which completely ignore transversal that can totally shut down an inty. Or ships slightly larger than inties that could send super fast drones after them. |
Paranoid Loyd
665
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Posted - 2014.06.13 18:01:00 -
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*Stronk "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2978
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Posted - 2014.06.13 18:31:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Wow. You would almost think that weren't some mid or high slot modules which completely ignore transversal that can totally shut down an inty. Or ships slightly larger than inties that could send super fast drones after them.
What is this foolishness of which you speak?
Surely no such things exist. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
Sigras
Conglomo
803
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Posted - 2014.06.14 08:22:00 -
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I know the OP cannot possibly be complaining about the anemic DPS of the crow/malediction... Seriously, with a damage mod, they do like 115 DPS... less damage than the retribution and vengeance do without a damage mod.
In fact the only interceptor that can come close to an AF amount of damage is the taranis, but in order to do that, it has to close to point blank range where there are several counters including: 1. Neut 2. webifier 3. scrambler 4. smartbomb |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1457
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Posted - 2014.06.14 08:25:00 -
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Vicar2008 wrote:Vadeim Rizen wrote:Please dial back interceptors just a little bit. This ship is so strong in way too many ways. Fastest ships in game, fastest warping ships in the game, point/scram range bonus, sig radius reduction bonus, interdiction nullified and with the malediction and crow throw in never-missing DPS... all for under 20 mil for a hull.
I propose instead of having 2 classes of interceptors that one does DPS, and one does scram/point bonus, having the 2 different classes with one being nullified, and one with the scram/point bonus... AND dial back the warp speed for both just a bit. Don't really need a dps inty when you have assault frigs anyways. I dont know what the odds were of the two of us posting pretty much similar topics at the same time, but i gave it a like and a +1
It makes you look like a pair of alts.
Anyhow interceptors are fine. Exactly where they should be, fun to fly and paper thin, easy to kill and still dieing to gatecamps. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
566
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Posted - 2014.06.14 11:34:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.
What DPS are you talking about? The 50-60 DPS of a Crow or the 50 DPS of a Malediction? |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories Vertical.
627
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Posted - 2014.06.14 16:29:00 -
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You mean the 95dps of a malediction with selectable damage or 115dps kinetic a crow puts out.... "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5511
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Posted - 2014.06.14 17:10:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Vadeim Rizen wrote:TheMercenaryKing wrote:If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS. Not sure if serious, but the fact that it has all those bonus's and can still apply dps is a bit ridiculous, i agree with you. The theory behind this is that nullification on interceptors make sense, in some ways, but the fact they can do similar DPS to Assault frigs is overpowered. Comedy.
My rocket-Vengence does ~150 dps. A Malediction with the same fit does ~80 dps... less if Light Missile fit.
My blaster-speed Enyo does ~350 dps. Any Ares fit struggles to get even half of that. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2014.06.14 17:25:00 -
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You can get clean over 160-170 in a freakin merlin. Melodrama much? |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
566
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Posted - 2014.06.14 17:55:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:You mean the 95dps of a malediction with selectable damage or 115dps kinetic a crow puts out....
Which is no problem because you can web and scramble it and it dies very quickly (My rocket Malediction has 102 DPS at 7km with Rage). A Crow does meager 82 DPS at 12 km, which is again easily slingshotable into Web/Scram range. And with Light missiles (TE-2100 with CNSLMs) the Crow does 69 DPS at 62 km, which, if you use full range as most Crows do, leaves you always unpointed, and if you go into point range, you can still MWD around and try to sling shot the ship or make someone else come close and get a scram on the Crow, as well as that the applied damage of LMs on an MWDing ship is significantly reduced.
Is still don't see a problem.
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Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
767
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Posted - 2014.06.14 18:11:00 -
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All of this fuss about interceptors being OP got me curious. since if we follow internet logic any ship that solo kills an interceptor is even more OP than the interceptor.
Looking at the various killboard losses for interceptors it's easy to find ships ranging from T1 frigates, destroyers, cruisers and battlecruisers, to other interceptors, police and pirate frigates, assault frigs, T2 and T3 cruisers... The list goes on...
So clearly we need to either buff inty's or nerf everything below BS's, because that's how Eve works. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |
Dead New
Twenty Questions RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:58:00 -
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Im a null sec player, who is inevitably forced into flying ceptors as they are the final word in catching and killing anything outside of blue balls and gate camps.
I dont like it, they are OP for what they are.
If your going to make other role ships use slots for thier unique abilities then why not the interceptors?
Cov Ops have cloaks, ECM have thier various modules, T3s have thier sub systems.
Why not introduce a similar module for interceptors, reasonably heavy on thier resources that they do not have effective tanks AND dps therefore making them a fleet component (like the ballance of logi in a fleet) and NOT a every man in a ceptor.
While i love getting carrier kills, ratter kills etc.. i still think a whole fleet getting through a bubble at these expensive ships INSTANTLY is unfair to those who have bought the ships.
Balance these ships similar to cov ops or T3 please so you have to fit to warp through bubbles p[lease |
Cant tell Ifserious
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:08:00 -
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ceptors are fine as is. They are great for new players since it is low sp and low cost. Not to mention they are really strong. |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2014.09.12 18:05:00 -
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Theres only 3 ceptors i know of that can put out decent dps. Crusader, taranis and claw. Most AF get more dps than those, unless you count arty jag (which struggles to get decent dps). So i dont think ceptors need a dps nerf. In fact i really dont see any issues with em. If you have an inty gang incoming, sac up and fight against them with corpies. Or better yet, SB BS on their inbound/outbound gate.
Their dps is pathetic, and the ones that do ok, have to be ontop of you to apply it. Seems fair to me. |
Vertigo Sunji
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.12 18:10:00 -
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nerf them hard, the bubble immunity buff made this Interceptor Online. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
655
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Posted - 2014.09.12 18:15:00 -
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Raptor and Crusader need a buff. The others are fine as far as I can tell. |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
265
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Posted - 2014.09.12 18:26:00 -
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So, break a ship that is actually functioning in it's intended role of being able to go fast, catch something, and do a little DPS while trying it's hardest not to get webbed, nueted, smartbombed, hit by a wave of RLML's/LMs/Rockets/drones/small blasters/small ACs or popped by another ship that it doesn't have as much transversal on? Totally. While we're at it, I think freighters haul too much and move too fast. If <2k tank is too much for you... Maybe you need to go back to Eve University and retake some 101's.
As long as we're throwing out silly ideas, I think that gate campers should have a timer before Concord shows up and arrests them for loitering with malicious intent. |
Belen Shields
Iskender Kebap Corp
2
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Posted - 2014.09.12 18:28:00 -
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Raise the Align time by 300-400ms of an Interceptor or introduce T2 Warp disruption Probes which can prevent Intys from warping.
1. A Dictor is useless against an Interceptor while the Destroyerclass always was the hard counter to most Frig hulls. 2. An Interceptor is not pointable right now if fitted correctly. It's not possible, even with a 4500mm scan res Hyena.
Nowaday the pvp in Null comes down to that occasional 10man Fleet which gets stomped by like 50 other dudes and the 6 dozen uncatchable Interceptors which are roaming your Space because of the above stated missbehaviours. Bubble immunity paired with the fast aligntime is ruining smallscale pvp right now. |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
131
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Posted - 2014.09.12 18:30:00 -
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HTFU. Interceptors working as design. Intercepting.
Also, it was warp speed changes that made this game Interceptors Online, not bubble immunity. Lots of times I took frigates with warp speed rigs out on roams. Bubbles never stopped me. |
Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
54
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Posted - 2014.09.12 18:32:00 -
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If you are com plaining about inties always being the ships that get the tackle on ratter/targets then well THAT IS WHAT ITS DESIGNED TO DO
There are lots of counters to interceptors:
Warrior II's (hell even Acolyte II's murder them) RLML's Combat Inties A Scram Webs AF's Dessies Dictors (yes these murder Inties) EAF's t1 frigs Pirate Frigs Navy Frigs Smartbombs neuts Recons And the Big one
BETTER PILOTING!!!!! So Much Space |
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