Please dial back interceptors just a little bit. This ship is so strong in way too many ways. Fastest ships in game, fastest warping ships in the game, point/scram range bonus, sig radius reduction bonus, interdiction nullified and with the malediction and crow throw in never-missing DPS... all for under 20 mil for a hull.

I propose instead of having 2 classes of interceptors that one does DPS, and one does scram/point bonus, having the 2 different classes with one being nullified, and one with the scram/point bonus... AND dial back the warp speed for both just a bit. Don't really need a dps inty when you have assault frigs anyways.

If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.

Not sure if serious, but the fact that it has all those bonus's and can still apply dps is a bit ridiculous, i agree with you.

Wow. You would almost think that weren't some mid or high slot modules which completely ignore transversal that can totally shut down an inty. Or ships slightly larger than inties that could send super fast drones after them.

I dont know what the odds were of the two of us posting pretty much similar topics at the same time, but i gave it a like and a +1

If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.

What DPS are you talking about? The 50-60 DPS of a Crow or the 50 DPS of a Malediction?

Besides: Counter measures and another, older topic about your laments.

The theory behind this is that nullification on interceptors make sense, in some ways, but the fact they can do similar DPS to Assault frigs is overpowered.

You mean the 95dps of a malediction with selectable damage or 115dps kinetic a crow puts out....

Im a null sec player, who is inevitably forced into flying ceptors as they are the final word in catching and killing anything outside of blue balls and gate camps.

I dont like it, they are OP for what they are.

If your going to make other role ships use slots for thier unique abilities then why not the interceptors?

Cov Ops have cloaks, ECM have thier various modules, T3s have thier sub systems.

Why not introduce a similar module for interceptors, reasonably heavy on thier resources that they do not have effective tanks AND dps therefore making them a fleet component (like the ballance of logi in a fleet) and NOT a every man in a ceptor.

While i love getting carrier kills, ratter kills etc.. i still think a whole fleet getting through a bubble at these expensive ships INSTANTLY is unfair to those who have bought the ships.

Balance these ships similar to cov ops or T3 please so you have to fit to warp through bubbles p[lease

If you are com plaining about inties always being the ships that get the tackle on ratter/targets then well THAT IS WHAT ITS DESIGNED TO DO

There are lots of counters to interceptors:

Warrior II's (hell even Acolyte II's murder them)
RLML's
Combat Inties
A Scram
Webs
AF's
Dessies
Dictors (yes these murder Inties)
EAF's
t1 frigs
Pirate Frigs
Navy Frigs
Smartbombs
neuts
Recons
And the Big one

BETTER PILOTING!!!!!

If you are com plaining about inties always being the ships that get the tackle on ratter/targets then well THAT IS WHAT ITS DESIGNED TO DO

There are lots of counters to interceptors:

Warrior II's (hell even Acolyte II's murder them)
RLML's
Combat Inties
A Scram
Webs
AF's
Dessies
Dictors (yes these murder Inties)
EAF's
t1 frigs
Pirate Frigs
Navy Frigs
Smartbombs
neuts
Recons
And the Big one

BETTER PILOTING!!!!!

If you are com plaining about inties always being the ships that get the tackle on ratter/targets then well THAT IS WHAT ITS DESIGNED TO DO

There are lots of counters to interceptors:

Warrior II's (hell even Acolyte II's murder them)
RLML's
Combat Inties
A Scram
Webs
AF's
Dessies
Dictors (yes these murder Inties)
EAF's
t1 frigs
Pirate Frigs
Navy Frigs
Smartbombs
neuts
Recons
And the Big one

BETTER PILOTING!!!!!

You're assuming that the Inty is long enough on grid to get a lock on it .... your argument is just wrong. I'm not whining about any AFK Kills but you're whining about your cheap-as-shirt-ship which can get you shiny killmails without getting into the danger of loosing it. If you land in a gatecamp, all you have to do is to hit the warp-to button, wave to the gatecamp and spam the local with "Ceeya Nerds".
Oh and writing with capslock does not intensify your argument. It just makes reading your Post harder. JFYI

That's only if you surprise them or they aggro you and you are fitted for it. Catching them on a gate or an undock with a good insta, when in a bubble, even with 6250 scan res in another ceptor, is still impossible. Even having mods activated before the lock doesn't help since they deactivate even if you fail to completely lock a few times.
I'm going to start frapsing the attempts and putting them on youtube.

Before you start spouting about how you think I'm a low skill noob with no experience.
Current Skills: 361 (Skill Points: 139,265,270.00)
I've been playing eve non-stop since 2006
I've been in nullsec since 2008
Most of the time spent in frig and cruiser sized ships Tackling and Ganking anywhere there was PvP.
So, I've had a lot of practice.

You're assuming that the Inty is long enough on grid to get a lock on it .... your argument is just wrong. I'm not whining about any AFK Kills but you're whining about your cheap-as-shirt-ship which can get you shiny killmails without getting into the danger of loosing it. If you land in a gatecamp, all you have to do is to hit the warp-to button, wave to the gatecamp and spam the local with "Ceeya Nerds".
Oh and writing with capslock does not intensify your argument. It just makes reading your Post harder. JFYI

You're assuming that the Inty is long enough on grid to get a lock on it .... your argument is just wrong.

1. A Dictor is useless against an Interceptor while the Destroyerclass always was the hard counter to most Frig hulls.

2. An Interceptor is not pointable right now if fitted correctly. It's not possible, even with a 4500mm scan res Hyena.

Oh and writing with capslock does not intensify your argument. It just makes reading your Post harder. JFYI

You're assuming that the Inty is long enough on grid to get a lock on it .... your argument is just wrong. I'm not whining about any AFK Kills but you're whining about your cheap-as-shirt-ship which can get you shiny killmails without getting into the danger of loosing it. If you land in a gatecamp, all you have to do is to hit the warp-to button, wave to the gatecamp and spam the local with "Ceeya Nerds".
Oh and writing with capslock does not intensify your argument. It just makes reading your Post harder. JFYI

Here's an example of a "waving"fit for a crow :

[Crow, "Ceeya Nerds" Edition]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Inertia Stabilizers II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile

Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I



I've seen pilots multiboxing several Intys so you still have the problem that it can't be catched on a stargate so DPS ist just a matter of how many clients you can run. I am also assuming a scenario of a gatecamp. If the scenario moves from a gate to lets say a Planet and the Inty is out of Webrange, the Inty wins against sabre and an eris easily and might loose to a Heretic or Flycatcher and here comes the if, if he stays on grid without warping off as the Inty point outranges the dictor one's.

The "Shiny" kills you refer to are usually carriers as they dont have a disengage like BS's and smaller have (and even if its a BS thats killed sorry but thats just the BS pilot being Bad)

Carriers can kill interceptors with warriors and acolytes (hobs are too slow) ore even, in the case of a solo inty getting point, refit off a Depot for a warp stab (the inty cant kill the depot fast enough) But more importantly: Why are you in a Carrier Unsupported?

Again i do agree that the Inty warping from gates is a little too much however in an interceptor seconds count. the longer i am spending in warp or aligning is more time for the target (i still have to find) to get away.

Im sorry if this aint you view but there are too many nullbears who dont like the fact I can warp a frig to their site out of 20 others and tackle their carrier before they can align and warp off,

So recons are OP, T3's are OP, Bhargests/Orthrus/Garmur are OP, Cynabals, Vagabonds, Munnins, Condors, Cormorants, Slicers, Sentinels, Jag's, Wolf's, Coercers, Deimos's, Thorax's AND a whole other list of ships that can kite and disengage when needed to Because (this is the point) They are fitted to do so are now officially declared by you to be OP and therefore needing to be nerfed so they cant out pilot you

Wow. You would almost think that weren't some mid or high slot modules which completely ignore transversal that can totally shut down an inty. Or ships slightly larger than inties that could send super fast drones after them.

I like explosions myself, don't get me wrong! It's fine if you can get cheap kills like carriers or whatever capital is ratting/minging, but the way Null smallscale has changed is unacceptable. 90% of Smallscale pvp is done by under 1% of Ships avaiable in EVE. Just open your Intel and count how many maledictions and crows get reported during EU or US prime..... and you can't catch them. Smallscale isn't happening except for those real pvp'ers who are willing to loose stuff. Intys are just farming AFK-Ratters, nothing more while smallscale is not existing.

So your trying to say because you can kite me and stay out of my effective range (as I need to web you to shoot you) and disengage because you only pointed you are OP and therefore should not be able to do that........

So recons are OP, T3's are OP, Bhargests/Orthrus/Garmur are OP, Cynabals, Vagabonds, Munnins, Condors, Cormorants, Slicers, Sentinels, Jag's, Wolf's, Coercers, Deimos's, Thorax's AND a whole other list of ships that can kite and disengage when needed to Because (this is the point) They are fitted to do so are now officially declared by you to be OP and therefore needing to be nerfed so they cant out pilot you

EDIT: I will also add that the INTY is using a Long point not a scram, so therefore yopu can disengage as much as he can, its just a tad harder.

Interceptors are easily countered by anyone interested in countering them, they take advantage of complacency and laziness, but are vulnerable to awareness and defensiveness.

Interceptors are exactly where they need to be. If you split them into dps or nullified, then it's pointless to ever use the dps versions as opposed to an AF.

Interceptors are countered by literally any ship with a scram. Non-combat ceptors can barely kill anything without multiple ceptors, or as is intended, assistance. And combat interceptors are easily countered by assault frigates.

The only way an interceptor can stay on grid risk-free is to be combat ineffective and unable to point. If you are within crow LML range of a target you are susceptible to other frigates coming after you.

MJDs have further balanced interceptors in that if you decide to stay safe and longpoint a battleship/battlecruiser you risk them MJDing away, assuming they are fully aligned when they do this they can instantly warp as soon as the MJD ends.

Catching ratting carriers in interceptors is extremely difficult and generally only achieved by the carrier making a mistake. For example a ratting carrier not having light drones, not having a neut, or a falcon buddy. If the carrier pilot has any of these things an interceptor pilot is rendered completely ineffective.

A single flight of light drones with 1 drone navigation computer makes warriors go 8.1km/s, faster than most skirmish linked interceptors. Even if you are faster than warriors, unless it is by a great deal (10km/s or so, not realistic for ceptors) you will be caught unless you are going in a straight line and hence, unable to maintain point. Light drones are so much more agile than an interceptor that even if their total velocity is lower, their orbit velocity is higher, so if the inty is orbiting he will most likely be caught.

The popular trend of afktars is even harder on ceptors as generally an ishtar will have a drone nav comp and light drones of some sort.

Any sort of neut immediately hurts interceptors because it requires above average skills to maintain cap stability with your propmod and point(s) on (even with the point cap usage decrease). As soon as your propmod shuts off any drones after you catch up and your transversal drops.

Inties are even more vulnerable in massive nullsec fights. You basically have to stay off grid because someone will always come after you or cheeky members of the enemy fleet will shoot at you, or logi will send light drones after you, or you'll get target painted scrammed and 50 ishtars decide you are the next prime.

And none of this even mentions RLML cerbs or caracals.

Interceptors are easily countered by anyone interested in countering them, they take advantage of complacency and laziness, but are vulnerable to awareness and defensiveness.

The role of an Interceptor is to intercept and to tackle. What do you expect of a 20 mil hull?? It's not killing ratters, it's not killing ratting caps. But that is what they are used for 95% of the time. I don't rat afk, I prefer the active ratting aspect of eve. But what I would like to see is a ship that is not broken by exploiting latency physics and server ACK/ARP times.

I've seen pilots multiboxing several Intys so you still have the problem that it can't be catched on a stargate so DPS ist just a matter of how many clients you can run. I am also assuming a scenario of a gatecamp. If the scenario moves from a gate to lets say a Planet and the Inty is out of Webrange, the Inty wins against sabre and an eris easily and might loose to a Heretic or Flycatcher and here comes the if, if he stays on grid without warping off as the Inty point outranges the dictor one's.

The role of an Interceptor is to intercept and to tackle. What do you expect of a 20 mil hull?? It's not killing ratters, it's not killing ratting caps.

Only a battleship or curse can carry these "high slot modules which completely ignore transversal that can totally shut down an inty", aka heavy neuts. Any inty pilot with a few brain cells is going to stay way outside of the 12.6km range medium neuts have.

And if you're in a longpoint interceptor and die one on one to a drone boat... you should be laughed at and hit with an oar. No drone boats in the game can keep up with the Crow or Malediction, meaning if you for some reason CAN'T outrun or outright kill their drones, you can leave.

Some Intys are broken right now and that has come to CCP's attention. I didn't say "Ceptors are a bad thing", I said that the synergy of their fast align time and bubble immunity made them an uncatchable one-trick-pony.

I like explosions myself, don't get me wrong! It's fine if you can get cheap kills like carriers or whatever capital is ratting/minging, but the way Null smallscale has changed is unacceptable.

90% of Smallscale pvp is done by under 1% of Ships avaiable in EVE.

Just open your Intel and count how many maledictions and crows get reported during EU or US prime..... and you can't catch them.

Smallscale isn't happening except for those real pvp'ers who are willing to loose stuff. Intys are just farming AFK-Ratters, nothing more while smallscale is not existing.

That is what intercepting and tackling is bro, it's catching ratters, catching people who are sleeping/botting/afk. Interceptors are also hugely common in pvp fleets as scouts, in fact there is no other ship in the game as specialized for fleet scouting as an interceptor. I don't see your point, if your point is they are too cheap, well, I say they are cheap because they die so much, and the market responds to high demand with high supply.

They already nerfed ceptors agility. Many of them (including the crow/raptor) can be caught by a ship with 5k or greater scan res. I have been killed 3 times by a multiboxer in Kalevala who assists warriors off pure dps fit tristans to an insta slasher. Not to mention oodells smartbombing moas in deklein.

I wonder how much time you've spent scouting for fleets or tackling in interceptors...

Jump through gate, initiate warp, this happens

In your opinion. An opinion which others do not share.


I don't think you understand how PVP works. Some ships are just better at small scale than others by design.


I suppose the concept of "baiting" is unknown to you.


PVP in general is only done by people willing to loose stuff, this isn't new information. I see nothing wrong with farming AFK-Ratters. They should not have been AFK.

The role of an Interceptor is to intercept and to tackle. What do you expect of a 20 mil hull?? It's not killing ratters, it's not killing ratting caps. But that is what they are used for 95% of the time. I don't rat afk, I prefer the active ratting aspect of eve. But what I would like to see is a ship that is not broken by exploiting latency physics and server ACK/ARP times.

Go to page 1, look at my first post.



You really can't think out of the box, can't you? If Ama Atavuli is really your main i can tell you that mine is 6 years older and I've seen more Nullfights, done more Gatecamps, done more ETF'ing, done more Spreadsheeting and done more scouting than you. Want an evidence? There's no reasonable 5k scan res ship so pls stop trolling and proceed with your docking games. Want another evidence :
have a look http://i.imgur.com/uqBhb26.jpg

Maledictions are over-powered.

tackle range bonus
armor resist (tank)
missile RoF (DPS)
and missiles are a long range weapon that you don't have to care about transversal

along with all the standard tackle activation bonus, sig bonus, bubble immunity, and fast locking, speed, agility.


For Tech2 ships being "specialized", the Malediction gets a wide range of bonuses, a large effective range for its weapons, and damage selection.

Inties Kill ratting ships because the ratting ships are fitted to tank a specific damage type, Specific amounts of DPS and the rest is dedicated to damage.

Inties kill ratting ships because they can do what rats cant. Be unpredictable

I don't expect CCP to make any big changes to Intys, maybe a small increase of align time to some specific Intys (namely malediction and Crow) will do the trick.

niche fit

Same for you. Pls try to think out of your box and stop trolling.

Don't you think it's a "broken Gamemechanics" if you can jump with your Inty through 10 Gatecamps, kill a Ratter and go back through 10 Gatecamps unharmed?

I would really like to see an example of this. Either all 10 camps were total fail or the inty was travel fit and thus not able to kill any ratter with half a brain.

Did I mention a fleet fit is completely cap stable with mwd running?

Well good... as soon as that MWD turns off an Inty dies a quick and horrible death to the cloud of Warrior II's following it.

I would really like to see an example of this. Either all 10 camps were total fail or the inty was travel fit and thus not able to kill any ratter with half a brain.

I do agree on the fact you cant catch them on a gate, that's just dumb. but in all other occasions A inty is just as killable as a kiting garmur/dramiel you just need to know how

So in all of those other situations, according to you, you have to be in a ship that removes a ceptors capability of tackling you with impunity. Just how many ships are can do that?

What are you saying here? Everyone has no brain except you? If I gave you a Killmail you would just start trolling "this guy blabla no brain blabla **** fit bla hahaha" No Offense but its not worth arguing with you about that. Maybe I should emphasise it in another way : Don't you think it's a "broken Gamemechanics" if you can jump with your Malediction through 10 Gatecamps, drop a can and go back through 10 Gatecamps unharmed?

I'm saying that you have no idea what you are talking about and that your posts come across and tasty tears. To address your question, no I do not see anything wrong with running 10+ gate camps in a travel fit inty. Cloaky nullified T3's have been doing this for ages. Please, keep posting.

Oh. You must mean only when they attack you. What about when they warp out while you are landing on grid. Or maybe you are saying that every ship should fit a way to tackle them. The problem is that not every ship is capable of catching something like a kiting crow/malediction. Smart bombs don't help either. So in all of those other situations, according to you, you have to be in a ship that removes a ceptors capability of tackling you with impunity. Just how many ships are can do that? How many of those would a ceptor even get in to a situation where there's a ship capable of catching it. The ceptor pilot would have to really be dumb and fit wrong for that to happen. In that way it's possible but the odds would be, maybe, 1 in 4000. Just a guess mind you but I'd say it's pretty close.

The Mal gets the same number of bonus's as the rest of them however the Armour bonus is unique to it. ( the rest get damage or application bonus's)

The Crow and Malediction aren't so popular because they look pretty. It is because they will do the damage of the turret based Interceptors at a much greater range and without having to care about transversal.

And if you're in a longpoint interceptor and die one on one to a drone boat... you should be laughed at and hit with an oar. No drone boats in the game can keep up with the Crow or Malediction, meaning if you for some reason CAN'T outrun or outright kill their drones, you can leave.

Commence crazy idea. . . . . . . .

Raise the Align time by 300-400ms of an Interceptor or introduce T2 Warp disruption Probes which can prevent Intys from warping.

1. A Dictor is useless against an Interceptor while the Destroyerclass always was the hard counter to most Frig hulls.
2. An Interceptor is not pointable right now if fitted correctly. It's not possible, even with a 4500mm scan res Hyena.

Nowaday the pvp in Null comes down to that occasional 10man Fleet which gets stomped by like 50 other dudes and the 6 dozen uncatchable Interceptors which are roaming your Space because of the above stated missbehaviours. Bubble immunity paired with the fast aligntime is ruining smallscale pvp right now.

Best suggestion I have read for tweaking the interceptors, with the small caveat that inties should only be immune to tech 1 bubbles (I.e. Any kind of T2 warp disruption field should catch them)

No one would use T1 bubbles ever again. And if they stop Inties, they also stop T3, which means that we could remove bubble immunity completely, which is not a good thing. And don't forget cloak, they are also so hard to catch.
...

No one would use T1 bubbles ever again. And if they stop Inties, they also stop T3, which means that we could remove bubble immunity completely, which is not a good thing. And don't forget cloak, they are also so hard to catch.

it would only concern interceptors, so T3 with nullification sub system would still be immune to bubbles, T1 or T2

T2 fields are more expensive, requires higher set of skills, and in any case an inty in a T2 bubble can still get out of it really quickly or burn back to gate in no time either, unless there is an active fleet around it, which they can easily scout out.. It would merely slow them down and force them to think more rather than aligning to next gate and hitting jump without even needing to worry about anything as they are now.

Your argument about t2 being the only one used does not hold water . t1 stuff is still used even if they have a more powerful T2 counterpart... This would be no different with t2 WD fields....

It would not, because Nullification is Nullification. If 1 Nullified ship is not immune to bubbles, it makes no sense that other nullified ships keep that. They both employ the same principle. And while it's just a switch of an attribute, it still makes no sense why the same principle works on 1 ship, but not the other.

Ceptors are also easy to catch on gates when they burn with insta-locking ships that web them down to 0 m/s. And if they manage to jump, they will be bubbled on the other side of the gate again, and webbed again. And killed. That works already today.

Propulsion Jamming V (Warp Disrupt Field Gen II) takes 29 days to train, considering 6 weeks of advance notice for such a change, I don't see how people would not train for that or could train that to T2 level within days. Not to mention that most Dictor/Hictor pilots already have that trained. Moreover, money is not a problem in this game. At all.

T1 items are only used in very narrow circumstance, which are either fitting limitations (Meta 4 DCU, anyone?) or skill limitations (Meta 4 guns, anyone?) or because T2 items are worse or don't offer enough to no benefits. These bubbles, however, offer an enormous benefit over T1 as they can catch/stop/drag everything in the game and there is no point in using T1 warp probes anymore, because nothing would change in a world where you want to stop ceptors and other nullified ships.

So, while I don't need to hold water, I hold my ground with logic.

The theory behind this is that nullification on interceptors make sense, in some ways, but the fact they can do similar DPS to Assault frigs is overpowered.

How is it's current DPS overpowered? Why would you fly an assault frig when you can speed tank or run away with a interceptor? interceptors should exist to catch up and slow down or interdict hostiles, not necessarily kill them single handed.

I'm saying that you have no idea what you are talking about and that your posts come across as tasty tears. To address your question, no I do not see anything wrong with running 10+ gate camps in a travel fit inty. Cloaky nullified T3's have been doing this for ages. Please, keep posting.

Well, my opinion is that you are the one who has no clue what he is talking about. Also I see a problem wih running through 10+ gate camps the "High-sec Style" without getting in any danger. Please, keep on calling me incompetent

That is simply not true. If you do that, your ceptor is specifically fitted for that (Nanos, Stabs, Istabs, MWD/AB, cloak) and you cannot do anything else with it than travel. And even then you can be caught, although the chances are very slim.
If you are fitted for combat, your aligntime is so much longer, that re/sebo'd ceptors or resebo'd destroyers/interdictors/cruisers can easily catch and destroy you in an instant. Players even made it a sport to place Ishtar sentries right at the gate box on regional or border gates and assign them to an insta locking, webbing Loki to catch frigates and ceptors and kill them with the sentries when the ceptor tries to reapproach, or try to fly away, and thus as 0% transversal towards the sentries.

There are so many things in the game already, which make it hard for a ceptor to travel "in High-sec style", that there's no more need for change.

It would not, because Nullification is Nullification. If 1 Nullified ship is not immune to bubbles, it makes no sense that other nullified ships keep that. They both employ the same principle. And while it's just a switch of an attribute, it still makes no sense why the same principle works on 1 ship, but not the other.

Ceptors are also easy to catch on gates when they burn with insta-locking ships that web them down to 0 m/s. And if they manage to jump, they will be bubbled on the other side of the gate again, and webbed again. And killed. That works already today.

Propulsion Jamming V (Warp Disrupt Field Gen II) takes 29 days to train, considering 6 weeks of advance notice for such a change, I don't see how people would not train for that or could train that to T2 level within days. Not to mention that most Dictor/Hictor pilots already have that trained. Moreover, money is not a problem in this game. At all.

T1 items are only used in very narrow circumstance, which are either fitting limitations (Meta 4 DCU, anyone?) or skill limitations (Meta 4 guns, anyone?) or because T2 items are worse or don't offer enough to no benefits. These bubbles, however, offer an enormous benefit over T1 as they can catch/stop/drag everything in the game and there is no point in using T1 warp probes anymore, because nothing would change in a world where you want to stop ceptors and other nullified ships.

So, while I don't need to hold water, I hold my ground with logic.

Except my Mal does the same damage out to 27km that my Stiletto does 1km. Yah, same sort of bonuses, on weapons with entirely different base stats.


The Crow and Malediction aren't so popular because they look pretty. It is because they will do the damage of the turret based Interceptors at a much greater range and without having to care about transversal.

I've read through this whole thread and find it a very interesting topic.

I see 3 main arguments that Interceptors need nerfed:

1) Too hard to counter speed and dps
2) They shouldn't be able to counter 10+ gate camp bubbles and still do their job
3) They have become the primary small gang ship in null.

Firstly I read your whole post and agree with your final point.

The above 3 main arguments are misleading and inaccurate.

1. Yes they have good speed and I question the dps argument. They have low HP and are killed quickly, so the idea that they are over powered is not correct.

2. The idea that nothing should get through a 10+ gate camp is ridiculous. The interceptor is a scout and must be able to scout ahead of a fleet. The idea that nothing can get through would make the gate camp overpowered.

3. The argument that they are the primary small gang ship in null sec is false. Our alliance run multiple small gang roams each week and we aren't filling the gang with just interceptors. Regularly we will have 1 maybe 2 interceptors to be scouts to the fleet composition which could be frigate, destroyers or cruisers.

There are times when a small gang may come through with a couple of interceptors on a roam but they run very quickly when a proper fleet composition is put against them.


Finally your idea is to get rid of the bubble and destroy gate camps because you believe they are overpowered has no basis. The interceptor is the scout ship to avoid the fleet landing in a gate camp or if the fleet believes the gate camp is vulnerable to blast into the gate camp and wreck carnage.

Bubbles are fine as they are, interceptors are fine as they are. CCP maybe you should focus on the other ships that are desperately in need of a rebalance and don't fix ships that are performing fine.

Well, my opinion is that you are the one who has no clue what he is talking about. Also I see a problem wih running through 10+ gate camps the "High-sec Style" without getting in any danger. Please, keep on calling me incompetent

If you feel that you are incompetent then maybe you should spend a few months flying mostly interceptors and get some experience with them. They really aren't that hard of a class to learn to fly and they aren't too expensive to loose. Also, they are quite fun.

Nullsec claims to be the elite part of EVE, the endgame PvP.

Yet here we are, six pages of people complaining that they're still too lazy to change the way they do anything or try to actively counter something.

Please, CCP, hold Nullsec's hand and do everything for them. It's too hard for them to do anything about it themselves.

Please, CCP. Please.

I've read through this whole thread and find it a very interesting topic.

I see 3 main arguments being made that Interceptors need nerfed:

1) Too hard to counter speed and dps
2) They shouldn't be able to counter 10+ gate camp bubbles and still do their job
3) They have become the primary small gang ship in null

Arguments being made against the nerf:

1) Several posters have pointed out there are plenty of counters and ways to kill, chase off, or escape from Interceptors.
2) They are interceptors, they are designed to counter stationary interdiction, so they can intercept their prey.
3) They make an easy gang that is fast and effective that is why you see them used so much in null. There is power in multiples, you don't send 1 drone after a target if you can send 5. Drones are fast and deadly in numbers, so are inties.

My thoughts:

1) Every ship type has pros and cons. The interceptor fills its role of fast pursuit and fast tackle well. It has sufficient DPS and speed tank to be useful on its own. But it is vulnerable enough that it need to pick its targets carefully or get killed. If anything only minor tweaks need to be looked at here, and balance between interceptors. Many of the complaints seem to come from ships that were not fitted for PvP since they were ratting. You have to weigh your choices of defenses vs. the threats you may encounter. If you feel interceptor gangs are likely to attack you then fit accordingly. If not then you risk being vulnerable to their particular bonuses. Being well tanked does not mean you should be able to survive every small ship attack.
2) Nullified hulls are good for the game. Bubbles shouldn't be a catch all ships design. Everything should have a counter or weakness. If anything the argument that they are too good against gate camps should bring up gate camps being nerfed because they too good against all but 2 types of ship.
3) I think this actually relates in part to #2; since all other frigates are vulnerable to gate camps, Interceptors have become the easiest means of getting around and hunting instead of being ambushed at every gate. If you took away gate camps do you think more variety of frigates would be used? I do.

I am not saying take away gate camps. I am saying that bubbles are a huge factor in how things in null sec have shaped up. It's like if you had a good cat that could catch any mouse except a white mouse. Then you saw your house was full of white mice and complain that the white mouse is too OP. The real problem was that the cat was OP and chased off everything else.
I don't blame the prevalence of inties on their own power (nullified hull) but on the fact that gate camps have caused balance issues with other ships.

I like balance passes that help bring ships in line when they are too good or not good enough. I think some small adjustments will help balance interceptors but I would be shocked if they lost any of the primary attributes that they have today.

Edit: added bold and underline, clarified I was restating others ideas about nerf and not nerf.

I see. Do you have any evidence to back your claim other than ranting about how the evil interceptor got past your gate bubbles and pointed you? Also you clearly seem to be overlooking smart bombs and the effect they have on interceptors landing on a gate. As well as the effect sensor damps and recon cruisers have on interceptors.

Are you aware that cloaky nullified T3 cruisers are even better at running gate camps than interceptors and far more dangerous to boot? The Proteus can even get a larger point range bonus at the same time. After all a travel fit interceptor is not a threat to anyone that isn't AFK. And a combat fit interceptor can be caught by a fast locking ship.

If you can't see past your very limited experience with interceptors and recognize the gaping holes in your statements then you are clearly not qualified to weigh in on issues of interceptor balancing. Just because you think that a ship being able to run gate camps effectively if fit specifically for that purpose is a problem does not actually make it a problem. The burden of proof is on you to actually show that it is a problem, something which you have failed to do.

If you feel that you are incompetent then maybe you should spend a few months flying mostly interceptors and get some experience with them. They really aren't that hard of a class to learn to fly and they aren't too expensive to loose. Also, they are quite fun.

I have had spoken about the way interceptors have changed 0.0 before and will not repeat what I had said. Lets get to smartbombing : it sucks against T2. Period. It's not like you need 3 BS and a scout on the other side. Its not like once missed, your BS are sitting targets for a gang of inties. Its not like i can think of a couple of activities in eve at a glance that are funnier. Its also the fact that you do it on a gate. With blue in system. Its also the fact that most intie pilots arent like you wanted them to be so ******** and warp directly to a gate. And 0.0 isnt any lowsec with lots ot ship travelling. Smartbombs may be fun in low or occasional in 0.0 but they arenz an argument for inties. Maybe in your space.maybe...
I dont consider flying Inties is fun because I really cant get ans satisfaction out of escaping a gatecamp at all.
Maybe you can get still something out of hat 20 mil hull...shaking hands, beating heart, adrenaline...i really cant get this anymore.
I had flown Frigs a couple oft years ago and except for those occasional happenings I really donz bother flying Them.
Maybe its time for you To enlighten us all in how To fix inties because you showed us all how competent and eloquent you are.