I have been complaining about local for over a decade now. Good luck there.

To wit: A lot of the original devs stated that local should have never been used as an intel tool...most notably TomB was very infamous for hating it (being a dirty griefer that he is). We got wormhole space, so at least be thankful of that.

Yeah let's sit on a gate for several hours just so people can rat. What a fun and engaging gameplay mechanic.

I see a constant complaint that local is effort free.

Then the ludicrous claim that well maintained Intel channels are too easy, or provide too much for the effort.

Local should be and always should have been treated the same as Alliance and W-Space Local. This notion that you must be able to immediately know everyone in the system is ludicrous in a game as hardcore as EvE. It would be like playing an FPS and hacking the radar.

So you suggest we take the least popular area of space, and make all of eve like it. All of these threads that cry about local have wormhole space. Why not go there? Maybe because most people think the game play there sucks.

I would be, if wormhole space was not effectively such a fringe aspect of the game as a whole.

Unfortunately, WH living is an extreme play style, which also excludes all of this:

Live and stable gate connections to other sections of space, and between internal systems.
Outposts, NPC and player built both. This includes the sub category of med clones and jump clones as an additional difference.
The Market. Present in all it's glory, even if only stocked by player activity and some minor NPC items.
Cyno capability, both covert and regular.

Local not being present is simply not the defining element of a WH. It is simply one among many differences.

And for your next trick, you imply that the reason for this lack of popularity is because of local being absent.

And the other differences, well, they are just details that everyone simply loves and adores...

Pointing out WHs as an option, especially on equal terms to null except for local, is ridiculous.

No local and the bait and blob pvp no local encourages is the main reason wormholes suck. The rest of this is no big deal at all.

I hate to break it to you, but the blob PvP style is distinctly favored by places that have local.

To suggest that a guerrilla style tactic would be more successful is disingenuous, since such tactics rely on an element of surprise not available with Local operating.
Pilots thusly prepared either reship into combat ready craft, or avoid contact altogether.

Your not breaking anything to me other than how your perceptions miss the mark. Local is how you avoid blobs. It is in local that you can see there are 30 other people from the same corp as that bait harpy or prophecy. Without local everyone else in their corp can be sitting cloaked right next to it waiting for you to try to attack. The lack of sufficient intel tools to make intelligent pvp choices is why wormholes are bad and good pvpers tend not to go there.


This may come as a surprise but not everyone in eve is looking to avoid pvp. You only think of pvp in terms of killing industrials or situations where one person clearly doesn't want to pvp and you just have a gank. I agree limiting local will increase ganks. But it will decrease good fights far more than its worth.

Nikk Narrel

The most active space for pvp is low sec and null sec - not wormholes. This is because low sec has a local that gives you some intel to help you intelligently choose a fight. Wormholes do not so you are just begging to get ganked.

I can see from your combat record that you probably don't understand how that works. Over an over again we get these "nerf local" threads from people with pvp experience similar to yours. Like was said above you might try pvping in some places with local and you will learn why it is a very important tool to finding fights and good ones at that.

This is exactly what we do in wormholes. Local is a cancer and it needs to go.

Everyone who said this is so stupid I don't even have words for it.

For one, you can't cyno into wormholes, so there's no chance of you getting hot dropped ever.

With the ratio of players present in these areas, you would pretend that this speaks more about something besides the sheer population being present?


Ad hominem for the win, eh?

You are poorly prepared if you think to discredit me from a search on this alt's PvP credentials. I use Nikk in a supporting role, which makes kills in either direction unlikely, IF I do it right.

More than this, you will simply have to wonder about.
All I will say here, is what I have said elsewhere... I have been on both sides of the fence regarding cloaking vs PvE play, and that fence is named local.

It keeps these two sides neatly separated, and keeps PvP either consensual or based off of mistakes by one side.

There are lots of consensual fights.
There probably always will be.
This detail is not significant to this discussion, though you keep bringing it up.

Its not an attack on you to say you really don't understand why local helps pvpers find quality pvp. You can post with an alt if you want but your alts combat record is in line with the comments you make. You seem to think that mechanics are balanced for pve or pvp. You fail to understand that local is one of those mechanics that helps both pvers and pvpers.

If you want me to believe you really do understand how local helps people find quality pvp why don't you demonstrate it by stating all the reasons you know that and why people argue that nerfing local will just help people who want ganks and blobs. Since your posting on an alt you can't assume people will see you know what you are talking about so perhaps you can actually demonstrate that by giving the arguments from the other side.

That also has potential - Let's take that a step further. If it can be built by Empire Factions it should be able to be built by player owned alliances in 0.0. Therefore lets introduce a multi levelled anchor-able & online-able system upgrade that allows the bears to keep broadcasting who is in local for longer, say a 5 level upgrade where each level adds an extra 20 minutes of broadcast time on gate activation. The upgrade may need to be fuelled to keep working, could be with topes, pi components or with goo - topes makes more sense to me.

EDIT: The more I think about it the more I like the idea of a system information upgrade. Creates a reason to have small gang warfare. A roam could turn into an intelligence gimping op that allows the sneaking in of other forces.

IF you remove pilots showing up in local, you will see the game numbers drop to 1/10 they are now.