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Jack Sparroxx
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Posted - 2011.11.19 20:38:00 -
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Hi
Been wondering if you guys at CCP is gonna buff the Black ops as there where talks about in this winter expantion, or is that on hold yet again?
Reason why I'm asking is that Black ops, as I think many will agree on, nice alternative to the usual blob tactics of the big alliances in eve, and will allow for smaller group to actually be a massive pain in the butt. So role wise the black ops is pretty much spot on. The stats however needs a wee little buff to actually shine in that role. And to be honest Black ops is such a niche area in pvp that pretty much any buff will not be game breaking in any way shape or form.
What I'd like to see is the following:
Range buff. 2,5AU baseis simple not enough even with JC 5 you can often get in to a situation where you cant even jump from one constalltion in to the constallation ext door. this is in particualr a problem if those two constalltions are in two different regions. Pretty hard raiding null space bording low sec/npc null sec if you have to pass camped regional gate to get access to a specific area. maybe 3,5 or 4AU base would be good enough, 5AU is probably to OP.
Then they need T2 resist and standard T1 slot layout. Dont like the fact that 700mill T2 ships folds like wet nappys if anything sheenze at them.
Would be nice to get the JP fuel consumption lowered or removed. Having blockade runners on tow is anoying.
T3 able to light covert cyno's, though that might be a bit OP.
And no, as much fun it would be, covert ops cloaking Black ops BS's would be seriously overpowered.
So CCP, pretty please with sugar on top, give us a wee little black ops buff[ |
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
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Posted - 2011.11.19 20:51:00 -
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I don't think I've seen anything from CCP about Black Ops this expansion. Players yes, devs no. Unless I missed something; you got a link?
It looks like this expansion is going to have multiple releases like the last few, so it's possible something will turn up later. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.19 21:26:00 -
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Black Ops are OP as hell. If you dont know this, then plz contact/ask for herassment/wardec >> Burn Eden. Then watch how red your killboard will get. They will give you a lesson you will never forget ;). |
Lola Humpsalot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.19 21:46:00 -
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Autonomous Monster wrote:I don't think I've seen anything from CCP about Black Ops this expansion. Players yes, devs no. Unless I missed something; you got a link? It looks like this expansion is going to have multiple releases like the last few, so it's possible something will turn up later.
I do remember something being said by a dev I think, where the BlackOps role would be tweaked as a counter to supers. After that it went silent and now we have the SC drone nerfs, so I don't think BlackOps will get love any time soon...
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Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.11.19 21:54:00 -
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Jack Sparroxx wrote:Hi Been wondering if you guys at CCP is gonna buff the Black ops as there where talks about in this winter expantion, or is that on hold yet again? Reason why I'm asking is that Black ops, as I think many will agree on, nice alternative to the usual blob tactics of the big alliances in eve, and will allow for smaller group to actually be a massive pain in the butt. So role wise the black ops is pretty much spot on. The stats however needs a wee little buff to actually shine in that role. And to be honest Black ops is such a niche area in pvp that pretty much any buff will not be game breaking in any way shape or form. What I'd like to see is the following: Range buff. 2,5LY baseis simple not enough even with JC 5 you can often get in to a situation where you cant even jump from one constalltion in to the constallation ext door. this is in particualr a problem if those two constalltions are in two different regions. Pretty hard raiding null space bording low sec/npc null sec if you have to pass camped regional gate to get access to a specific area. maybe 3,5 or 4LY base would be good enough, 5LY is probably to OP. Then they need T2 resist and standard T1 slot layout. Dont like the fact that 700mill T2 ships folds like wet nappys if anything sheenze at them. Would be nice to get the JP fuel consumption lowered or removed. Having blockade runners on tow is anoying. T3 able to light covert cyno's, though that might be a bit OP. And no, as much fun it would be, covert ops cloaking Black ops BS's would be seriously overpowered. So CCP, pretty please with sugar on top, give us a wee little black ops buff[
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quoting because AU =/= LY
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.11.19 21:55:00 -
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while I can agree on the range and fuel issues, the rest isn't needed and blops works pretty good right now for the small gang
and blops can become very op with too much fiddling. you are black ops, in and out, no pissing around...
If you run into a situation where you have a substantial fear of being "folded", it probably was not the best blops target and your cyno scout should feel bad The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Miss President
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
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Posted - 2011.11.20 07:21:00 -
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CCP has been promising to fix black ops, let's see if they are good at keeping their promises and don't take over 2 years to do it.
I'm for boost, TII resist, MoAR damage, MoAR range, less fuel No covops cloak though |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.11.20 07:44:00 -
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They are fine.
Cloaking/cynoing crap is already way too attractive, no need to make this gamestyle even more potent. 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships
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Posted - 2011.11.20 07:49:00 -
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I swear to god if I see this ******* thread again I will kersplode. God wears-áRay Ban Aviators. |
Vicker Lahn'se
Eternity Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.20 08:46:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:I swear to god if I see this ******* thread again I will kersplode.
You're probably going to kersplode, then. |
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Jack Sparroxx
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Posted - 2011.11.20 22:49:00 -
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Vicker Lahn'se wrote:T' Elk wrote:I swear to god if I see this ******* thread again I will kersplode. You're probably going to kersplode, then.
Really dont give a flying F*** if T'ELK kersplode or not. Dont even have a clue what that word means, not that it is a word to start with.
I just curious to know if CCP is going to buff black ops this time around or not, or even if the devs have any thoughts on black ops at all. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.20 22:52:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:They are fine.
You never flew a Black ops, right ?
Appart from bridging fleets, it's useless. AND, it's not even good at bridging fleets. AND, it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.20 23:07:00 -
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Jack Sparroxx wrote:Then they need T2 resist and standard T1 slot layout. Dont like the fact that 700mill T2 ships folds like wet nappys if anything sheenze at them.
God no, triple plated and trimarked Redeemers with T2 resists would easily get close to 300k EHP. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2011.11.20 23:40:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jack Sparroxx wrote:Then they need T2 resist and standard T1 slot layout. Dont like the fact that 700mill T2 ships folds like wet nappys if anything sheenze at them. God no, triple plated and trimarked Redeemers with T2 resists would easily get close to 300k EHP.
So ...? morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.11.21 12:16:00 -
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Miss President wrote:CCP has been promising to fix black ops, let's see if they are good at keeping their promises and don't take over 2 years to do it.
I'm for boost, TII resist, MoAR damage, MoAR range, less fuel No covops cloak though
They allready let it wait 785 days as in here. I kinda gave up hope they fix it anytime soon. Ever since i gave up hope i stared burning plexes, 49 so far CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.21 13:45:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:You never flew a Black ops, right ? .....it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills. .... the same was spoken many times about supercarriers.... they got nerfed.... would not hope this pray will help to blackops......
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.11.21 13:52:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:SMT008 wrote:You never flew a Black ops, right ? .....it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills. .... the same was spoken many times about supercarriers.... they got nerfed.... would not hope this pray will help to blackops......
black ops are not solo pwn ships, supers currently are... black ops are horrible broken. Unfortualy we always have forum trolls saying all black op are so awesome as the redeemer, witch might be the only correct functioning one (not including jump stuffs) CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Jack Sparroxx
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:19:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:March rabbit wrote:SMT008 wrote:You never flew a Black ops, right ? .....it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills. .... the same was spoken many times about supercarriers.... they got nerfed.... would not hope this pray will help to blackops...... black ops are not solo pwn ships, supers currently are... black ops are horrible broken. Unfortualy we always have forum trolls saying all black op are so awesome as the redeemer, witch might be the only correct functioning one (not including jump stuffs)
This man speaks the truth.
Though I did swap my redeemer out for a shield tanked panther. Can pretty much out run anything but the usual angel/minie nano stuff.
I think most of the people saying B-ops are OP, are those that gets greifed by them, aka people that want afk cloaking and the like nerfed so they can rat/mine in peace in null sec. With other words the usual turds that run away at the first sign of trouble. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:54:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:They are fine. Appart from bridging fleets, it's useless. AND, it's not even good at bridging fleets. AND, it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills.
Fon Revedhort wrote: Cloaking/cynoing crap is already way too attractive, no need to make this gamestyle even more potent.
Dunno whether I can be even more specific, but I'll try.
It might be said as not good at bridging fleets for a sole reason of Titan's birdge being absolutely imbalanced. Make the latter one more interesting (that is: less OP) and all of a sudden your bridging ability will look even better than it is now. 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:11:00 -
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Post an actual evidence why they need to be buffed! Untill you actually post evidence that confirms this, then shut the hell up. If you know how to use Black Ops then you will kno thye dont need a buff, not even on jump range. They can use jump range very very ffectivelly. You just need a well organized working group. Thats where the Black Ops really really work well.
There is plenty of evidence that suggest that they dont need a buff at all, specially in range. A buff will srtainly make them OP.
Burn Eden is a great example on how black ops should be used. Search, find target, Jump, Snipe, Jump away.
POST PROOF or shut the hell up! |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:20:00 -
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While black ops don't actually need a buff, they do need more than one role for the amount of training put into getting in one.
I have suggested before to make them able to fit a cov ops cloak. But when fitted with one, the jump drive is offlined. This way you can have an offensive small fleet role for it or a support for large fleet role depending on your play style.
Not a buff. Not a nerf. Just a broadening of the usefulness of an expensive, skill intensive ship and more in line with what the ship name suggests it's role should be.
Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:40:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:While black ops don't actually need a buff, they do need more than one role for the amount of training put into getting in one. I have suggested before to make them able to fit a cov ops cloak. But when fitted with one, the jump drive is offlined. This way you can have an offensive small fleet role for it or a support for large fleet role depending on your play style. Not a buff. Not a nerf. Just a broadening of the usefulness of an expensive, skill intensive ship and more in line with what the ship name suggests it's role should be. Mr Epeen
it is so intensive because you can bridge a fleet easelly. Its like a titan. Out poor the troyan army. Black ops does what is suppose to do > support a fleet. That is out maneuver your opponent, enter an area thats cyno jammed, and opportunity kill/herassment, ability for ninja pos. They are not meant for engaging a whole fleet straight on. This is wrong! BUT they can still take on a big enough fleet. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:42:00 -
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Andrea Roche wrote:Post an actual evidence why they need to be buffed! Untill you actually post evidence that confirms this, then shut the hell up. If you know how to use Black Ops then you will kno thye dont need a buff, not even on jump range. They can use jump range very very ffectivelly. You just need a well organized working group. Thats where the Black Ops really really work well.
There is plenty of evidence that suggest that they dont need a buff at all, specially in range. A buff will srtainly make them OP.
Burn Eden is a great example on how black ops should be used. Search, find target, Jump, Snipe, Jump away.
POST PROOF or shut the hell up!
ready back to my first post in this topic and click on the link saying 784 days. It redirects u back to the old assembly hall i was running for over 2 yrs. Take a look in there and u will see plenty of evedence of stuff that need changin...... CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:45:00 -
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Frankly, it shouldn't be a black ops buff. It should be a black ops redo. I mean yeah the jump bridge is useful. But that's all it does. The widow has the most useful of bonuses. But, it is the only one that does. Shouldn't have been the domi that became the black ops ship. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
28
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:45:00 -
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Andrea Roche wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:While black ops don't actually need a buff, they do need more than one role for the amount of training put into getting in one. I have suggested before to make them able to fit a cov ops cloak. But when fitted with one, the jump drive is offlined. This way you can have an offensive small fleet role for it or a support for large fleet role depending on your play style. Not a buff. Not a nerf. Just a broadening of the usefulness of an expensive, skill intensive ship and more in line with what the ship name suggests it's role should be. Mr Epeen it is so intensive because you can bridge a fleet easelly. Its like a titan. Out poor the troyan army. Black ops does what is suppose to do > support a fleet. That is out maneuver your opponent, enter an area thats cyno jammed, and opportunity kill/herassment, ability for ninja pos. They are not meant for engaging a whole fleet straight on. This is wrong! BUT they can still take on a big enough fleet. Stop trolling u noob. U dont know where u are talking about.... Talking about bo if they are all the same is noob. Ever flown the sin? Ever tried passing a chokepoint with 2 systems that are longer away than 4,5 ly form each other (basicly every interregional gate in 0.0). Ever tried bringing 3 cruiser recon clas ships? : woops: i just emptied my fuel by bridging 3 recons once, 4.5 ly (aprox 12-16 jumps max range on avarage weidth regions.
Stop talking about stuff u dont know CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:47:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Post an actual evidence why they need to be buffed! Untill you actually post evidence that confirms this, then shut the hell up. If you know how to use Black Ops then you will kno thye dont need a buff, not even on jump range. They can use jump range very very ffectivelly. You just need a well organized working group. Thats where the Black Ops really really work well.
There is plenty of evidence that suggest that they dont need a buff at all, specially in range. A buff will srtainly make them OP.
Burn Eden is a great example on how black ops should be used. Search, find target, Jump, Snipe, Jump away.
POST PROOF or shut the hell up! ready back to my first post in this topic and click on the link saying 784 days. It redirects u back to the old assembly hall i was running for over 2 yrs. Take a look in there and u will see plenty of evedence of stuff that need changin......
and back to you. You can bridge a whole army into a system that cyno jammed and even gate camped. infact, this is more than a titan can do. Its a support ship, if it didnt do the bridging then sure but its stupid then. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:50:00 -
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Andrea Roche wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Post an actual evidence why they need to be buffed! Untill you actually post evidence that confirms this, then shut the hell up. If you know how to use Black Ops then you will kno thye dont need a buff, not even on jump range. They can use jump range very very ffectivelly. You just need a well organized working group. Thats where the Black Ops really really work well.
There is plenty of evidence that suggest that they dont need a buff at all, specially in range. A buff will srtainly make them OP.
Burn Eden is a great example on how black ops should be used. Search, find target, Jump, Snipe, Jump away.
POST PROOF or shut the hell up! ready back to my first post in this topic and click on the link saying 784 days. It redirects u back to the old assembly hall i was running for over 2 yrs. Take a look in there and u will see plenty of evedence of stuff that need changin...... and back to you. You can bridge a whole army into a system that cyno jammed and even gate camped. infact, this is more than a titan can do. Its a support ship, if it didnt do the bridging then sure but its stupid then.
Tell me where i can find a place where i can insta jump my entire fleet from my main staging point into a cyno jammed system (=sov syetm) full of hostiles without bringing atleast 2 cov op haulers to carry fuel..... Tell me just 1 such a place...... CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:54:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Post an actual evidence why they need to be buffed! Untill you actually post evidence that confirms this, then shut the hell up. If you know how to use Black Ops then you will kno thye dont need a buff, not even on jump range. They can use jump range very very ffectivelly. You just need a well organized working group. Thats where the Black Ops really really work well.
There is plenty of evidence that suggest that they dont need a buff at all, specially in range. A buff will srtainly make them OP.
Burn Eden is a great example on how black ops should be used. Search, find target, Jump, Snipe, Jump away.
POST PROOF or shut the hell up! ready back to my first post in this topic and click on the link saying 784 days. It redirects u back to the old assembly hall i was running for over 2 yrs. Take a look in there and u will see plenty of evedence of stuff that need changin...... and back to you. You can bridge a whole army into a system that cyno jammed and even gate camped. infact, this is more than a titan can do. Its a support ship, if it didnt do the bridging then sure but its stupid then. Tell me where i can find a place where i can insta jump my entire fleet from my main staging point into a cyno jammed system (=sov syetm) full of hostiles without bringing atleast 2 cov op haulers to carry fuel..... Tell me just 1 such a place......
ROFL. AAA noob Burn Eden does it all the time. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
28
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:56:00 -
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I dont even think u have a qlue about how much fuel each ship uses, let me give u some number out my head (more numbers in link in my forst post). Your BO fuel bay can carry 6666 units of fuel. 1 recon uses 2300 - 2500 of fuel to bridge 4,5 ly. A bomber takes 350 units a BO to jump is 288 (not sure out my head). The bridging fuel part is fail. The systems that lay more than 4.5 ly out of eachother messes everything up. To make them currently usefull by just a slight mark is a rule that they can alwasy jump 1 system whatever the range beween those 2 points it, costing max 4,5ly jump fuel. Bottle next choke point are often camped, are u willing to travel trough there with a handfull of battleships that are sitting dicks jumping torugh normal gates? (1b isk ships) CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
28
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:00:00 -
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Andrea Roche wrote: ROFL. AAA noob Burn Eden does it all the time.
look mommy, daddy plays with his joystick can i play too??
Because some ppl find things so awesome that they are willing to waste alot of effort on good gank kills. Burn Eden has fixed supply lines with alts for fule, they use the same points over and over once they are settle in the area. On this way u reduce the effort and trouble. Thats why u almost only find them doing it. For the avarage people (BE is not avarage) its too much hassle.
edit: whos the alt nooby hiding behind alts trolling about stuff he has no clue about and too lazy to check facts yourselve to troll,.. even when u get told where it is. CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
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