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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
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Posted - 2014.07.08 17:47:00 -
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http://show.gamingradio.net/2014/06/22/csm-9-townhall-1/ At around 59 minutes,
According to the latest CSM townhall. CCP is thinking about REMOVING the IGB. Apparently "issues" about the work maintaining the IGB. Also an CSM member says there is little interest in keeping it.
Ignoring the fact that the IGB helps in times of mining or shooting the worlds most boring NPCs. (Don't lie, C5/C6 sleeper sites are on autopilot at this point). The IGB is the only way our wormhole mapping tools remain valid.
Let this be a call to arms. Don't let CCP remove the IGB. Otherwise you'll also be forced to run two monitors to use an browser while playing EVE. You'll be forced to manually map wormholes/
Don't let this be an end of an era because CCP is delusional about the quality of their own content.
Yes, users of Tripwire, vippy, evewholes, and whatever the heck else is out there, this affects all of you.
You must all be vocal about how much you love the IGB. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
502
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Posted - 2014.07.08 18:08:00 -
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I GÖÑ IGB
Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
373
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Posted - 2014.07.08 18:12:00 -
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Remove IGB and replace with updated IGB pls pls pls
Gib html 5 and websockets plox! Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Alundil
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
581
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Posted - 2014.07.08 18:17:00 -
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This would be very bad indeed. PvE content is pretty bad/boring?
A quick way of accessing other information while still within the Eve UI and maintaining some modicum of situational awareness has become a standard facet (I'd argue almost required) of playing Eve.
This, of course, says nothing about the very large number of 3rd Party tools developed by players for players to augment the terrible lack of information presented by various aspects of the EVE Client. Most of these leverage the IGB browser in order to facilitate context aware features (think CCOW in programming for patient context between applications). Mapping tools are just one of many. There are fleet management tools. Mining yield management tools to help track activities and contributions. A plethora of useful things that ease some of the nightmare that is EVE's UI and/or dearth of useful information streams.
CCP removing the IGB is, imo, a pretty big insult to the many 3rd Party Devs that have spent their own time, hard work and money on developing tools that make EVE, at a competitive level, playable.
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Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
135
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Posted - 2014.07.08 18:41:00 -
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Removing the IGB is a sure fire way to remove all the revenue you make from wormholes subbing your game CCP. Just saying., would cause more of a backlash then whatever that idijit on the CSM thinks it would. You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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Sparrow Creature
Ivy League Hall of Residence Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2014.07.08 19:26:00 -
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With the SSO they're proposing you could easily do away with the IGB and have 3rd party sites use SSO for authentication. The only people this would really affect are those that play in true full screen mode. But, I don't really care about those folks. I for one would be ecstatic if they did away with that antiquated terrible browser. |
Sparrow Creature
Ivy League Hall of Residence Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2014.07.08 19:28:00 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:Removing the IGB is a sure fire way to remove all the revenue you make from wormholes subbing your game CCP. Just saying., would cause more of a backlash then whatever that idijit on the CSM thinks it would.
Right, because everyone living in WHs would just up and cancel their subscriptions. No one at all would even try to adapt. I completely agree with your assessment of what would come to pass.
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KeeganWaffle
Lazerhawks
11
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Posted - 2014.07.08 19:36:00 -
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drama queens |
Proclus Diadochu
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1824
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Posted - 2014.07.08 19:42:00 -
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I GÖÑ IGB
I'll keep my "antiquated terrible browser." Thanks. **Irrelevant-á| Twitter: @autoritare | [email protected] My Blog: http://diogenes-club.blogspot.com/ | The Diogenes Club |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
28
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Posted - 2014.07.08 20:10:00 -
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they could just update it. I mean an update every decade or so wouldn't hurt it to much, they do it now then they can forget about it till 2025 or 2030. |
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
494
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Posted - 2014.07.08 20:19:00 -
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It depends. If they can get SSO working, great, but alot (and I mean ALOT) of people play in fullscreen.
I'd honestly would kinda hate having to have an ipad next to me to monitor what I'm doing.. I would also like it too.
There are alot of people that use it, and removing it completely would hurt more people than it helped.
Update it, do SSO also, never worry about updating browser again. Yaay!!!! |
Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
136
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Posted - 2014.07.08 20:58:00 -
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Sparrow Creature wrote:Right, because everyone living in WHs would just up and cancel their subscriptions. No one at all would even try to adapt. I completely agree with your assessment of what would come to pass.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually scan that much if you think removing our mapping tools is just a matter of 'adapting'. If someone takes away your eyesight you don't continue to drive by 'adapting'.
Sparrow Creature wrote:But, I don't really care about those folks.
Who are you again?
All garbage aside, I will not accept the possibility of them letting us use SSO to migrate our mapping tools over as a reason not to raise hell until they give us 100 percent concrete proof that they will do so.
Can/might/should is not will. There is lots of stuff they could do but won't our haven't.
Mapping tools are bread and butter to the entire way of life of wormhole corps who roll and scan out 10-20 chains a day. Doubly so if you have multiple corps in an alliance. They function to give a unified map to make your bookmarks match up.
It costs them nothing to leave the IGB in exactly as is now, it hurts noone by doing something.
It hurts an entire player base removing it for no other reason then certain people don't use/like it as much as some of us. You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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SwagYolo420
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
10
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:02:00 -
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Posting to provide my support for the IGB. It is the best way for non-intrusive mapping to work.
Also I see a few people posting in this thread about SSO for authentication - that is not what wormhole mapping, or this thread, is about. A wormhole mapper can real-time track your location, the ship you are in, and probably a few other things. It also allows you to copy-paste signatures, or check your chain, without having to alt-tab. |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3500
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:27:00 -
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To be fair, WH mapping is the ONLY use for the IGB. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
136
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:31:00 -
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SwagYolo420 wrote:Also I see a few people posting in this thread about SSO for authentication - that is not what wormhole mapping, or this thread, is about. A wormhole mapper can real-time track your location, the ship you are in, and probably a few other things. It also allows you to copy-paste signatures, or check your chain, without having to alt-tab.
Quoting you for maximum truth and/or justice. You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
239
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:55:00 -
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Will never happen. |
Bloemkoolsaus
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
162
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Posted - 2014.07.08 22:03:00 -
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The IGB is not only important for our mappers. Many people don't have the luxury of multiple screens and having a browser ingame adds real value to the game. Being able to call up or refernce information withouth having to alt-tab out of the game is essential. Especially now that almost all websites/services are responsive (meaning they adapt to the window size).
For exemple, next to my wh mapper, I use dotlan on the IGB daily. It will be a lot less usefull if I constantly have to alt-tab.
Even if the IGB is not up-to-date with all current standard, it still needs to stay!! |
Alundil
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
581
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Posted - 2014.07.08 22:25:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:To be fair, WH mapping is the ONLY use for the IGB. That isn't true.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
809
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Posted - 2014.07.08 22:26:00 -
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Should cross post this as this affects all players, not just wormholers. the in game browser is one of the nicest features in eve. I play in fixed windowed, and routinely alt-tab to out of game browsers, but being able to click links in chat is excellent. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Matt Ellis
Infinity Engine Sleeping Dragons
119
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Posted - 2014.07.08 22:31:00 -
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The very idea of removing it means that the ones who suggested it have NO idea how its used. Wormhole mapping tools are one big use in wormholes, but to be honest, it doesn't even need to be that complicated to warrant needing it. I don't have the luxury of a dual monitor setup. Space is a commodity. I don't game on the best equipment, and that equipment is starting to get slower. It takes a few seconds for my machine to cycle out of eve, and then back in again. In hostile space, thats too much. I can miss getting Intel for my fleet, or miss something on dscan. Having it in game means I can still play the game while browsing. It gets uses more than my main browsers while my eve clients are open!
Lets be shot of this idea right now!
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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
175
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Posted - 2014.07.08 22:34:00 -
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Sparrow Creature wrote:With the SSO they're proposing you could easily do away with the IGB and have 3rd party sites use SSO for authentication. The only people this would really affect are those that play in true full screen mode. But, I don't really care about those folks. I for one would be ecstatic if they did away with that antiquated terrible browser.
You are a idiot. SSO only provides authenication.
Guess what? All the tools that depend need IGB, DONT HAVE AUTHENICATION ISSUES NOR DEPEND on the IGB's trusted headers for auth.
The IGB provides real time data of the current user's location, ship, etc. This is something that SSO cannot provide unless CCP implements a radically different technology for providing this data which they won't....given how much trouble they have running simple cached API servers. |
Alundil
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
581
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Posted - 2014.07.08 22:39:00 -
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Jack Tronic wrote:Sparrow Creature wrote:With the SSO they're proposing you could easily do away with the IGB and have 3rd party sites use SSO for authentication. The only people this would really affect are those that play in true full screen mode. But, I don't really care about those folks. I for one would be ecstatic if they did away with that antiquated terrible browser. You are a idiot. SSO only provides authenication. Guess what? All the tools that depend need IGB, DONT HAVE AUTHENICATION ISSUES NOR DEPEND on the IGB's trusted headers for auth. This is is about ease of use and the additional data which SSO cannot provide.
This
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calaretu
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
126
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Posted - 2014.07.08 22:49:00 -
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Removing IGB would be very bad. Its a vital part of the daily life of everyone in wspace ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
734
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Posted - 2014.07.08 23:07:00 -
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I'm very intrigued to know which CSM's agree with this removal...
Onto the topic at hand. Personally, I play Eve on a desktop where room is limited and I cannot have a second monitor to view a browser on. I also play in full windowed mode so Alt-Tab is a pain in the arse.
I shouldn't have to play a game in windowed mode just so I can live in WH space and use the mappers via alt - tabbing or buying a second screen that I dont have the room or money for. The in-game browser is a vital tool for me and possibly everyone who ever leaves their own hole and maps their chain. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
scotayne hawkins
Merchants Trade Consortium Disavowed.
19
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Posted - 2014.07.08 23:07:00 -
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in game browser plays a vital part in w-space lifestyle for most of our mapping tools |
ChYph3r
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
136
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Posted - 2014.07.08 23:27:00 -
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The WH tears, they are so yummy! Sperg more. Want to find all the podcasts around EVE Online visit http://evepodcasts.com @chyph3r-á on Twitter
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
820
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Posted - 2014.07.08 23:36:00 -
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Removing the IGB would be suicidal behavior, CCP don't go in for that do they? There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Alundil
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
581
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Posted - 2014.07.08 23:42:00 -
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ChYph3r wrote:The WH tears, they are so yummy! Sperg more. Take the pants off of your head. GSF/CFC and other entities utilize igb functionality for your entire paplink system lottery scheme.
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Zanthrus Stetille
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
1
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Posted - 2014.07.08 23:49:00 -
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Unless there is a compelling reason why the IGB makes the game worse than it would be without it, I see no reason to remove it. I use a very large screen, so I can easily have EVE open and another browser in windowed mode. However, it is easier most of the time to just use the IGB unless I need to go to a website that doesn't work so well with it.
Keep the IGB, update it, just don't remove it. |
Paikis
Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking
1271
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Posted - 2014.07.08 23:57:00 -
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I don't see any reason to remove it. Seems like more effort to remove it than to just leave it be.
Having said that, your mapping tools are a crutch and you are bad for relying on them. Remember when siggy went down and more than half the corps just stopped working because you scrubs couldn't navigate based on bookmarks? Yeah, I remember that. |
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