Originally by: Dark Shikari

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If I remember correctly, that's where the Goonfleet/D2 picnic is.

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 01/07/2006 13:09:54
Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 01/07/2006 13:08:41
Just having a little territorial dispute with D2, should be sorted out shortly.

I'm getting some really killer footage of our battles. Let me post a link to a recent one:

Link to Video

This is realtime video, just look at the super smooth frames rates.

After last night's battles I'm thinking that the CPU handling XZH is ready to kill itself.

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Originally by: Teddy Carebear

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 01/07/2006 13:09:54
Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 01/07/2006 13:08:41
Just having a little territorial dispute with D2, should be sorted out shortly.

I'm getting some really killer footage of our battles. Let me post a link to a recent one:

Link to Video

This is realtime video, just look at the super smooth frames rates.

After last night's battles I'm thinking that the CPU handling XZH is ready to kill itself.

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What the **** is that you have fitted ?

Goons ftw

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Nos/Neu + EW + Drone setup. Maybe you have heard of it under another name... sometimes its called the "I Win"-button.

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Originally by: Teddy Carebear

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What the **** is that you have fitted ?

Goons ftw

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Originally by: Teddy Carebear

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What the **** is that you have fitted ?

Goons ftw

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Would you have said that if a non-goon had posted that image? I'm betting you wouldn't have.

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Originally by: Bluestealth

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They call them nanofibers... and yes they make his Domi go "zoom, zoom"... other players might have fit a beefier tank, but thats them.

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 01/07/2006 15:15:58

Originally by: Bluestealth

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They call them nanofibers... and yes they make his Domi go "zoom, zoom"... other players might have fit a beefier tank, but thats them.

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MWD out to dread, activate NOS and Neuts. Then MWD back into the POS bubble when I get targetted. Worked very nicely on the first night of hosilities and the ogres will happily stay outside attacking the dread while I'm ducking out of fire.

A beefier tank is effectively useless in huge fleet battles. Once you get called primary its game over no matter how hefty your tank is. I'd rather be able to GTFO quickly.

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Worked very nicely on the first night of hosilities and the ogres will happily stay outside attacking the dread while I'm ducking out of fire.

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Originally by: Weirda

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Worked very nicely on the first night of hosilities and the ogres will happily stay outside attacking the dread while I'm ducking out of fire.

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h4xx0rz...

(and didn't say that because you are a Goon!)

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Originally by: Weirda

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(and didn't say that because you are a Goon!)

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Originally by: Weirda

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h4xx0rz...

(and didn't say that because you are a Goon!)

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Originally by: Jargoon

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Personally, if I believed GoonSwarm was using or encouraging exploits or intentionally causing lag I would quit in a heartbeat.

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 01/07/2006 13:10:13

Just having a little territorial dispute with D2, should be sorted out shortly.

I'm getting some really killer footage of our battles. Let me post a link to a recent one:

Link to Video

This is realtime video, just look at the super smooth frames rates.

After last night's battles I'm thinking that the CPU handling XZH is ready to kill itself.

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Originally by: Francesca Dell'Agio

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Originally by: Jargoon

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Personally, if I believed GoonSwarm was using or encouraging exploits or intentionally causing lag I would quit in a heartbeat.

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heh

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Originally by: babyblue

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 01/07/2006 13:10:13

Just having a little territorial dispute with D2, should be sorted out shortly.

I'm getting some really killer footage of our battles. Let me post a link to a recent one:

Link to Video

This is realtime video, just look at the super smooth frames rates.

After last night's battles I'm thinking that the CPU handling XZH is ready to kill itself.

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I see an awful lot more blue cans than red cans. Did you lose the fight?

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Originally by: Aeaus

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Originally by: babyblue

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 01/07/2006 13:10:13

Just having a little territorial dispute with D2, should be sorted out shortly.

I'm getting some really killer footage of our battles. Let me post a link to a recent one:

Link to Video

This is realtime video, just look at the super smooth frames rates.

After last night's battles I'm thinking that the CPU handling XZH is ready to kill itself.

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I see an awful lot more blue cans than red cans. Did you lose the fight?

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Considering goon fleet strategy is to zerg, I don't think losing lots of ships is necessarily a "bad" thing.

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Quote:

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Cube's Pack

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Originally by: C00ki3

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I personally don't care what will happen to XZH, not because I don't care, but because I want to have FUN. I don't want to see can and BM usage to an extend that it crashes the server, I don't want to benchmark how much punishment the server can take, I want to play a game.
Some people are so obsessed to get a tiny bit taste of something that they are ruining other people's time ...

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Originally by: C00ki3

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Quote:

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Cube's Pack

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GF know what I mean. It's on their wiki.

Apart from that, there are many GF that post without knowing what has been done (I'm speaking of the new rescuits).

People that post without knowing are everywhere. If you do a statistic, you can say e.g. that 1 in 100 players is posting like an idiot. 1 of those 100 people is going to post on the public forum. Statisticly speaking, GF has tons of new people that don't know the history.

I had some nice fights with GF, I personally hate it with every enemy when he's acting like something big they done is bigger than that and every big thing the enemy does is smaller than what actually happened. EVERYONE is doing it though.

I personally don't care what will happen to XZH, not because I don't care, but because I want to have FUN. I don't want to see can and BM usage to an extend that it crashes the server, I don't want to benchmark how much punishment the server can take, I want to play a game.
Some people are so obsessed to get a tiny bit taste of something that they are ruining other people's time ...

So, what happens tomorrow ? Is the A-B-C station conquered ? Gratz, I don't want to fight an enemy that uses detestable tactics in order to get a small part of something big.

Like I respect and hate some corps/alliances at the same time, so I do with this. Not everyone is the one to blaim, but the things that a few selected have done, beneficting the many, the many should not pop-up and claim that as their doing ...

PS. Yes, I know this is an alt

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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Originally by: Jargoon

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Originally by: Weirda

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h4xx0rz...

(and didn't say that because you are a Goon!)

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It's unfortunate that we are starting to get a bad reputation due to some of the trash talking going on. Personally, if I believed GoonSwarm was using or encouraging exploits or intentionally causing lag I would quit in a heartbeat.

However, all I have seen from my alliance since the fight for XZH started has been honorable and appropriate behavior (with the exception of a few rogue alts posting on the forums, and believe me we all hate them as much as you do). D2 obviously has the skillpoint and cap ship advantage, so we have had to brainstorm and come up with inspired and unconventional, but legitimate tactics in order to hold our ground. I can only imagine the look on their faces when they jumped in the other night to find themselves up against a fleet of Ospreys

With the exception of a few rogue D2 pilots and forum posters (who shall remain unnamed), D2 has been an admirable and gracious foe. While I feel confident we will prevail, if we lose to them I believe it will be fair and square.

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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The more ppl who quit the less lag for the rest. Hurrah Huraah \o/

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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The more ppl who quit the less lag for the rest. Hurrah Huraah \o/

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Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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The more ppl who quit the less lag for the rest. Hurrah Huraah \o/

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The more people quit the less money CCP has and then we have to go back to the old server when they can't afford to run the monster of a blade array they've got right now and we'll all be playing on a 800MhZ Celeron with a boosted hard drive

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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The more ppl who quit the less lag for the rest. Hurrah Huraah \o/

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The more people quit the less money CCP has and then we have to go back to the old server when they can't afford to run the monster of a blade array they've got right now and we'll all be playing on a 800MhZ Celeron with a boosted hard drive

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Lies I tell you!!

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Originally by: Weirda

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Worked very nicely on the first night of hosilities and the ogres will happily stay outside attacking the dread while I'm ducking out of fire.

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h4xx0rz...

(and didn't say that because you are a Goon!)

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Originally by: SengH

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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The more ppl who quit the less lag for the rest. Hurrah Huraah \o/

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The more people quit the less money CCP has and then we have to go back to the old server when they can't afford to run the monster of a blade array they've got right now and we'll all be playing on a 800MhZ Celeron with a boosted hard drive

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Lies I tell you!!

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Yep they have the china server. What do they need us for now?

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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia

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Originally by: SengH

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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The more ppl who quit the less lag for the rest. Hurrah Huraah \o/

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The more people quit the less money CCP has and then we have to go back to the old server when they can't afford to run the monster of a blade array they've got right now and we'll all be playing on a 800MhZ Celeron with a boosted hard drive

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Lies I tell you!!

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Yep they have the china server. What do they need us for now?

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Yes, the china server, because we all know how the chinese masses have 15USD a month to spend on an MMO.

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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia

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Originally by: SengH

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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The more ppl who quit the less lag for the rest. Hurrah Huraah \o/

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The more people quit the less money CCP has and then we have to go back to the old server when they can't afford to run the monster of a blade array they've got right now and we'll all be playing on a 800MhZ Celeron with a boosted hard drive

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Lies I tell you!!

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Yep they have the china server. What do they need us for now?

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Yes, the china server, because we all know how the chinese masses have 15USD a month to spend on an MMO.

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Originally by: Brain Day

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Man i would love to get in on some of that action, go goons. Where do i sign up?

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Originally by: Acario Vito

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Thread moved to proper forum, please follow the forum rules, and play nice ;o)

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Originally by: Viscount Prawn

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Much thanks to D2 and allies for the fights!

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Originally by: Rebellion

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Edited by: Rebellion on 02/07/2006 00:37:08
Sounds like everyone's enjoying the war. Losses don't matter in that light.

What are ships anyway, but tokens the we put into this arcade game in order to see the lights blink and hear the bells chime. :)

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Originally by: betazero

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"You What" alliance goto solitude its where nubfleets homesystem is

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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This is a nice thread lats keep it this way.. So all alts from noth sides plz dont thrash it..

Ok firstly ill allso like to say to the goons.. OMG you are frickign insane and I mean that in a good way

We have killed so many each day but that doesnt matter they just gets new ship in a few hours and then we back to more battles..

I have personally lost 4 fully tech 2 bs and a few other ships in like 3- 4 days.. That just show the scale of this major war...

I have had alot of fun and i simply wont say anything about lag every1 got it and well every1 has to deal with it...

So thx to all goons for all the fun guys and i have to admit Goons are making me scared..

Why simply becuase of there determination and there atitude they dont care if they lose a ship thye just get another one and then they back in the fight..

The goonfleet is one of the most deadly fleet to a fully tech 2 fleet simply becuase goons bring a hole new aspect to the game...They dont care on how many they lose thye just keep on comming and comming. And there logistic is excellent if they lose a fleet its a matter of 2 hours and the they got a new 200man fleet so respect for that..

Owerall respect and GF to all partys..

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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And there logistic is excellent if they lose a fleet its a matter of 2 hours and the they got a new 200man fleet so respect for that..

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Originally by: Bombcrater

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I have a feeling whoever is in charge of GoonFleet's logistics could write a book on the subject. They're losing hundreds and hundreds of ships (over 200 on Saturday alone) but somehow manage to replace them and keep coming back for more. The amount of minerals required to replace everything that's been lost in XZH in the last week (on both sides) must be staggering.

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Originally by: Ceilidh

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How does the saying go?

"Armies march on their stomachs. Forget this and you have no army."

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Originally by: Wattish

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My ship makes flashy straight lights and ffshhhhwwwwwwww noises! Oh god i love lasers.

And i agree with you, losses like that just show that seriously fun fights are being had =)

Edit: i want to give props to D2 and allies, they really put up a strong fight! puts the thrill back into pvp :D

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Originally by: Deja Thoris

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I find a BE rep criticizing fighting styles to be the crowning pinnacle of irony.

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Originally by: Trac3rt

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Edited by: Trac3rt on 01/07/2006 20:55:55
I will give you my personal writeup of the events so far.

It all started last sunday when we had a small gank gang in XZ (D2 and GS have been sending gank squads into each others space for a while), just tooling around. They descovered entirely by accident that they could shoot the station, and then noticed sov had dropped. This sent the alliance into a state of hyperactivity, as everyone and their mom rushed up to see if we could properly take it from D2, just to say we did.

Apparently D2 are abandoning the region, and have no interest in it whatsoever.

We were completely unprepared for taking conqueable space, it is a goal that I think the higher ups had considered impossiuble until at least Christmas, but we had the oppertunity, and by jove we were going to take it.

A couple of ex-D2 corps left behind formed the YouWhat (-Y-) alliance to try and retake the system. Since then, the fighting has mainly been over POS's. Since our prime-time is well after theirs, our dread fleet (provided by our allies SMASH) has walked all over their POS's. Their prime time however is an entirely differant story.

GS is global, and D2/-Y-/others are not. Their prime time, they have been outblobbing us 2:1, and field twice as many cap-ships as we can. We have been giving our all, and defending our POS's, basically holding the line until our enemies log off, and the Goonswarm primetime begins.

In total we have destroyed a total of nine dreadnaughts, and have only had our POS knocked into reinforced once over the last week. Our oppnents have destroyed an instane number of our ships, and are probably 3:1 ahead in pure numbers. As is already stated in this thread, we like to suicide our ships, and are not afraid of losing 90% of our fleet if it means that we hold out until our alliances primtime hits and we get heavily reinforced.

This is a battle of David and Goliath, we are the new guys flying 60-70% frigates and cruisers, against an established powerhouse who are 60-70% T2 fitted battleships and HACs, and we are trying our damndest. We are mainly one alliance, with SMASH supporting in their American primeimte, against D2's entire PvP force, RAZOR, YouWhat, NFC, and even NORAD have been seen helping them. Thats three alliances against our one (two in American primetime).

Lets see what the weekend brings shall we.

EDIT: Turend 'our dead fleet' into 'our dread fleet', what an embarrasing typo.

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Originally by: Jargoon

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I can only imagine the look on their faces when they jumped in the other night to find themselves up against a fleet of Ospreys

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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

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you killed nine dreads? O.o

quiete impressive.

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Originally by: Happydayz

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Edited by: Happydayz on 02/07/2006 08:43:59

Originally by: Jargoon

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I can only imagine the look on their faces when they jumped in the other night to find themselves up against a fleet of Ospreys

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w-hat?

Can ospreys recharge POS shields fast enough to counter the damage being dealt by dreads?

edit: well obviously if blob the POS with ospreys I'm sure that you can, just wondering how many ospreys you deployed to the fight

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Originally by: MacDuncan

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Could you imagine how depressing it is, seeing tons of Ospreys OUTSIDE the forcefield on the "back" of the POS boosting shields during a siege and not beeing able to kill them!! :/

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Originally by: Sensi Milla

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Yeah, the station has a screwed up grid as well... I wonder if CCP can change the grids or if they are set in stone.

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Originally by: Cefte

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Originally by: MacDuncan

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Could you imagine how depressing it is, seeing tons of Ospreys OUTSIDE the forcefield on the "back" of the POS boosting shields during a siege and not beeing able to kill them!! :/

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I feel like a Starcraft player with one Terran construction vehicle repairing my bunker while a hydralisk attacks the other side

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Originally by: Panzer Klien

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Originally by: betazero

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"You What" alliance goto solitude its where nubfleets homesystem is

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Add something worthwhile or don't post.

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Originally by: betazero

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Originally by: Panzer Klien

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Originally by: betazero

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"You What" alliance goto solitude its where nubfleets homesystem is

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Add something worthwhile or don't post.

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like you did with that post? OWNED!
atleast i told them where nubfleet live which they might not have known.
if they want revenge its where they should go. loads of nubs down there who are even worse pvpers than goon normally are

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Originally by: Ceilidh

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So does anyone have any Videos of the fights yet? Or has the lag simply made recording to difficult?

I'd love to see the cap ships fighting :)

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Originally by: Ceilidh

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So does anyone have any Videos of the fights yet? Or has the lag simply made recording to difficult?

I'd love to see the cap ships fighting :)

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Originally by: Ouroboron

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This entire campaign, since inception, has been magnificent, and more fun in a computer game, than I've had in a long, long time.

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Originally by: Ceilidh

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So does anyone have any Videos of the fights yet? Or has the lag simply made recording to difficult?

I'd love to see the cap ships fighting :)

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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr

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Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 01/07/2006 13:18:18

Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Nos/Neu + EW + Drone setup. Maybe you have heard of it under another name... sometimes its called the "I Win"-button.

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There are a small handful of ships in this game that I run screaming from. The Dominix, Vexor, Arbitrator and their T2 variants. I figure that if they scare the **** out of me I'd be better off flying them myself.

Unfortunately that Domi died with all of it modules turned off. Never could get them turned on. Thankfully the ogres did their thing own their own.

Edit: Except the hardeners, those were since the moment I logged in.

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Originally by: Jargoon

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Originally by: Weirda

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h4xx0rz...

(and didn't say that because you are a Goon!)

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It's unfortunate that we are starting to get a bad reputation due to some of the trash talking going on. Personally, if I believed GoonSwarm was using or encouraging exploits or intentionally causing lag I would quit in a heartbeat.

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Originally by: Achura Pride

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This thread seems to be going along the same route as the last

And i believe the use of one paticular exploit used by the vast majority of goonies (displays simplified images instead of portraits to make spotting enemies/allies much easier - much like the add buddy feature) has been made known to the GM's for a long time now. And if i remember correctly the answer they gave was - its not an exploit.

GM's may have the final say when it comes to game mechanics, but theres no escaping their bosses - the majority.

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Originally by: Leo McGarry

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As said this would be hard to enforce but fortunately this member has decided that if GoonFleet used an exploit he would leave - no GMs needed!

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Originally by: fmercury

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Originally by: Jargoon

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Originally by: Weirda

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h4xx0rz...

(and didn't say that because you are a Goon!)

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It's unfortunate that we are starting to get a bad reputation due to some of the trash talking going on. Personally, if I believed GoonSwarm was using or encouraging exploits or intentionally causing lag I would quit in a heartbeat.

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Better pack your bags, then. *snip*

Troll much? I don't know what this thread has to do with MC, but if you guys have a problem with GS take it up with the GM's. In the last thread a mod said this:

Originally by: Eshtir

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Regarding the exploit accusions. If you think someone using an exploit to gain advantage in gameplay over you, use the tools availiable to you, (ie. filliing out an ingame petition using the "exploit" section), but dont discuss it on the forums. It will do your posting privileges no good. If, how and why someone got banned is simply not your business.
As mentioned above, file a petition and the GM's on duty will investigate the case.

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Originally by: Drash Theardark

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Originally by: Leo McGarry

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As said this would be hard to enforce but fortunately this member has decided that if GoonFleet used an exploit he would leave - no GMs needed!

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And here I was thinking that GMs decided what was an exploit and what was not - silly me, I should have gone to you, Leo!

What's your stance on login traps? Do you believe in prosecuting IPO scams? How about partial birth abortion?

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Originally by: Leo McGarry

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I am against all abortion.

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Originally by: Drash Theardark

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Originally by: Leo McGarry

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I am against all abortion.

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Even in case of rape?

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Originally by: Leo McGarry

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Next question!

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Originally by: Ur Dirac

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It's really impressive that a bunch of newbies who were supposed to never be able to take conquerable space have done so... and sort of sad that one of the 'Big 3' alliances turned out to not be so big after all. The Emperor has no clothes! Or at least, the Emperor loses dreadnaughts hand over fist...

I guess we all overestimated how powerful D2 was merely because they beat ERA. Or underestimated GOON. Or both.

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Originally by: Shiraz Merlot

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If there's one big thing we learn strategically from this conflict, it's that you can no longer get away with just being a Euro-prime-time alliance. The standard just got upgraded to 24/7, global coverage.

/sm

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Originally by: Johnny Washboard

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Edited by: Johnny Washboard on 02/07/2006 21:09:56

Originally by: Leo McGarry

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Next question!

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How do you feel about premarital relations?

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Originally by: Crellion

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Goons pls dont be racist give other peeps fights not just D2

Isnt pf- part of your space?

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Originally by: heilio

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I'm assuming D2 now want XZH back, even though they said they don't want it and left. Now they want it back just because they don't want goons to have it?

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Originally by: Gariuys

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Chest beating is bad okay... you guys suprised a couple of people. But don't think you're there yet.

Important thing is that you're having fun, and provide inspiration to others to realise what a dedicated team can do, even if they average 3mil SP.

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Originally by: heilio

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I'm assuming D2 now want XZH back, even though they said they don't want it and left. Now they want it back just because they don't want goons to have it?

I'm lost, is this accurate, anyone care to explain?

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Originally by: heilio

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I'm assuming D2 now want XZH back, even though they said they don't want it and left. Now they want it back just because they don't want goons to have it?

I'm lost, is this accurate, anyone care to explain?

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Originally by: Leo McGarry

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And here I was thinking that GMs decided what was an exploit and what was not - silly me, I should have gone to you, Leo!

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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OMG 4 D2 Dreads lost ? Good work Goons , i guess that just proves to everyone that underestimating ur enemy just makes u lose , but props to both sides and i envy the fun u guys are having there

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Originally by: Kyria Timeyu

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Originally by: Crellion

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Goons pls dont be racist give other peeps fights not just D2

Isnt pf- part of your space?

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If you enjoy going 15 jumps with a fleet only to see the gate campers escape into Empire.

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Originally by: Nicocat

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While I'm on D2's side here, steel yourself for tomorrow. It's a holiday for Americans. ;)

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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Originally by: Nicocat

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While I'm on D2's side here, steel yourself for tomorrow. It's a holiday for Americans. ;)

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A holiday where most of us will be busy getting drunk and setting things on fire

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Originally by: Crellion

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Goons pls dont be racist give other peeps fights not just D2

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Originally by: Amano Uzume

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it is quite sure that they dont give you a fight because you are blue to goons as goons are for you.

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Originally by: Amano Uzume

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Originally by: Crellion

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Goons pls dont be racist give other peeps fights not just D2

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lol, crellion today you fought in one fleet with the goons as i shot you out of your megathron.
it is quite sure that they dont give you a fight because you are blue to goons as goons are for you.

so stop telling such nonsense, sry

Crellion; Monday, 03 July 2006 22:51, Battleship, Art of War, Megathron, Solar system :XZH-4X

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Originally by: Pepperami

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Originally by: Amano Uzume

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it is quite sure that they dont give you a fight because you are blue to goons as goons are for you.

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We currently do not have standings towards goonfleet. We currently have no intentions to have standings to goonfleet. You can take that as official.

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Quote:

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And gratz on killing someone whos screen didn't load and posting about it on the forums btw.

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Originally by: Andraxx

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And gratz on killing someone whos screen didn't load and posting about it on the forums btw.

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Evyerone knows that there are massive lag problems at XZH.
We also dont invited -V- to enter the XZH party so you what?

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Originally by: Jurushy

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according to GM
THER IS NO LAG IN XZH

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Originally by: Jurushy

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Edited by: Jurushy on 04/07/2006 09:35:36

Originally by: Andraxx

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Quote:

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And gratz on killing someone whos screen didn't load and posting about it on the forums btw.

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Evyerone knows that there are massive lag problems at XZH.
We also dont invited -V- to enter the XZH party so you what?

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according to GM
THER IS NO LAG IN XZH

the one who have lodingproblems whit the screens simply have a slow PC

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Originally by: fuze

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Originally by: Jurushy

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according to GM
THER IS NO LAG IN XZH

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Somehow that former iraqi minister of information popped up in my head just now.

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Originally by: Amano Uzume

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Originally by: Crellion

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Goons pls dont be racist give other peeps fights not just D2

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lol, crellion today you fought in one fleet with the goons as i shot you out of your megathron.
it is quite sure that they dont give you a fight because you are blue to goons as goons are for you.

so stop telling such nonsense, sry

Crellion; Monday, 03 July 2006 22:51, Battleship, Art of War, Megathron, Solar system :XZH-4X

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Originally by: Darling Hassasin

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Edited by: Darling Hassasin on 04/07/2006 10:13:37

Originally by: Amano Uzume

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Originally by: Crellion

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Goons pls dont be racist give other peeps fights not just D2

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lol, crellion today you fought in one fleet with the goons as i shot you out of your megathron.
it is quite sure that they dont give you a fight because you are blue to goons as goons are for you.

so stop telling such nonsense, sry

Crellion; Monday, 03 July 2006 22:51, Battleship, Art of War, Megathron, Solar system :XZH-4X

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(1) They were blue to me for 2 hours total and they werent when I posted.

(2) You blew me out of my megathron (go you!) because I wasnt in my Megathron. Check your mail you will see 40 spike in each turret and all drones in bay what does that tell you? I was saving it for later? noob

(3) I am a bit upset that from 220 peeps in this system no group jumped our mere 50 peeps and so we had to jump in you and lag out... bad form gents... but then you are in a territorial war so meh... I forgive you.

Edit: sorry for alty preset this is Crellion.

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I am a bit upset that from 220 peeps in this system no group jumped our mere 50 peeps and so we had to jump in you and lag out... bad form gents... but then you are in a territorial war so meh... I forgive you.

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Originally by: Darling Hassasin

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(3) I am a bit upset that from 220 peeps in this system no group jumped our mere 50 peeps and so we had to jump in you and lag out... bad form gents... but then you are in a territorial war so meh... I forgive you.

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Originally by: Dinique

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Originally by: Darling Hassasin

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(3) I am a bit upset that from 220 peeps in this system no group jumped our mere 50 peeps and so we had to jump in you and lag out... bad form gents... but then you are in a territorial war so meh... I forgive you.

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I played the part of cheeky Caracal who warped through your camp on the XZH gate along with two Blackbirds to jump in shortly before you did. Well shortly being up to an hour :P

Waited for that dictor bubble to drop and we got into warp just in time

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Originally by: Andraxx

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Quote:

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I am a bit upset that from 220 peeps in this system no group jumped our mere 50 peeps and so we had to jump in you and lag out... bad form gents... but then you are in a territorial war so meh... I forgive you.

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Why we should jump out from XZH? After that we have to return. And then for shure the XXXXX goons will leave their POS, and we have problems to move back. So if you move up to XZH you have to enter. Also we removed bubbels from the gate so that itwas a bit more eazy 4u.

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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We shouldn't complain about anything imho.

We knew that Goonfleet and D2 were having a party in XZH

We knew that they are fighting over the control of that system, so why should they disband their gatecamp and jump into our system ?

We knew the numbers aka the size of the gate camp and how many people there were in total in XZH

We knew it could become really laggy, when we jump in.

But we made the decision to try to get a fight and jump into XZH. We got our fight and that's it.

( If we complained now it would like jumping in front of a train and complaining that it hurts imho )

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Originally by: Crellion

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Originally by: Andraxx

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Quote:

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I am a bit upset that from 220 peeps in this system no group jumped our mere 50 peeps and so we had to jump in you and lag out... bad form gents... but then you are in a territorial war so meh... I forgive you.

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Why we should jump out from XZH? After that we have to return. And then for shure the XXXXX goons will leave their POS, and we have problems to move back. So if you move up to XZH you have to enter. Also we removed bubbels from the gate so that itwas a bit more eazy 4u.

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Well I said I forgive you since you have other business there too but you can rest assured that no -v- 120 man fleet would refuse the opprtunity to jump in on a 50 man hostile fleet (with only 1 dictor bubble) but rather wait on the 50 hostiles to jump into our 120. So yes I understand why you did it but no its not really up to what I consider proper pvp alliance standards.... then again I dont know if yoou are a pvp alliance so meh...

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Originally by: grizouh

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Originally by: Crellion

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Originally by: Andraxx

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Quote:

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I am a bit upset that from 220 peeps in this system no group jumped our mere 50 peeps and so we had to jump in you and lag out... bad form gents... but then you are in a territorial war so meh... I forgive you.

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Why we should jump out from XZH? After that we have to return. And then for shure the XXXXX goons will leave their POS, and we have problems to move back. So if you move up to XZH you have to enter. Also we removed bubbels from the gate so that itwas a bit more eazy 4u.

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Well I said I forgive you since you have other business there too but you can rest assured that no -v- 120 man fleet would refuse the opprtunity to jump in on a 50 man hostile fleet (with only 1 dictor bubble) but rather wait on the 50 hostiles to jump into our 120. So yes I understand why you did it but no its not really up to what I consider proper pvp alliance standards.... then again I dont know if yoou are a pvp alliance so meh...

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<giggle>
proper pvp alliance standards...

and of course after we would have jumped into your gatecamp to your conditions (opt range etc) goons would have let us back in without any interference because everybody plays really fair.
hope you never have to decide bout tactical movements...

we took away the bubbles etc, thats fair enough imho.


thx for your statement plutoinum, really appreciated

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Originally by: Crellion

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@ Plutonium: I didnt complain. I didnt say anything. Then some 8 year old comment "111 I killed my first Megathron " type of thing was posted about me personally so I replied. rly

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Originally by: Crellion

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Well I said I forgive you since you have other business there too but you can rest assured that no -v- 120 man fleet would refuse the opprtunity to jump in on a 50 man hostile fleet (with only 1 dictor bubble) but rather wait on the 50 hostiles to jump into our 120. So yes I understand why you did it but no its not really up to what I consider proper pvp alliance standards.... then again I dont know if yoou are a pvp alliance so meh...

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Originally by: Dirty Knave

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120 man -V- fleet? I dont remember having that many :)... I love how you double what #'s we had when you smack... we had more like 65 ppl

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Originally by: Heptameron

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ROFL @ Crellion... man oh man don't go thinking you're that important. We had the bubbles up for Goonfleet, they were our main concern but as they were having a quiet night when we heard about you coming down the pipe we were happy as pigs in pooh...

12 bubbles were up on that gate, removing them a pita and jumping out would have conceded ground to our main concern, GF. But then that's a standard PvP call and i'm not sure if you're into PvP so meh.

Oh and one other small point to note... at the time of your jump in our gang stood at 86, your gang at last count in your approach to 9-4 was 85 (not taking into account logoffs during your 1 hour stint checking out the sites in that system :p). We were also very aware that you would obviously have the backing of the 120 man goon fleet sitting in their PoS.

So please don't massage the figures for public consumption.

GF to all once again and let the good times continue to R&R!

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Originally by: Crellion

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Anyway, I wont waste more time on this... Have fun see you in space (perhaps).

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Originally by: SaorAlba

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To bad that the only way to beat a good group of players is by generating massive amounts of lag and to bring in everybody you now up to grandma and pa. Zum kotzen.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Originally by: SaorAlba

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To bad that the only way to beat a good group of players is by generating massive amounts of lag and to bring in everybody you now up to grandma and pa. Zum kotzen.

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Yup, that's the only way you got any kills in JU- at all.

dbp

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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia

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Originally by: SengH

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN

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Originally by: Nira Li

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Originally by: Hackbard Celine

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the only thing to say about these fights is:
It makes a lot of ppl want to quit eve, because the lag is so horrible. Every action takes more than one minute to confirm,even aligning, firing and warping out. If there is a fight, this also happens when you¦re at a safespot. so this is not playable and no fun...sry

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The more ppl who quit the less lag for the rest. Hurrah Huraah \o/

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The more people quit the less money CCP has and then we have to go back to the old server when they can't afford to run the monster of a blade array they've got right now and we'll all be playing on a 800MhZ Celeron with a boosted hard drive

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Lies I tell you!!

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Yep they have the china server. What do they need us for now?

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Yes, the china server, because we all know how the chinese masses have 15USD a month to spend on an MMO.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Originally by: SaorAlba

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To bad that the only way to beat a good group of players is by generating massive amounts of lag and to bring in everybody you now up to grandma and pa. Zum kotzen.

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Yup, that's the only way you got any kills in JU- at all.

dbp

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Well after checking the D2 KB , 9 Dreads lost and 1 carrier so far from D2 side and **** load of ships for Goons the remarks i heard in previous posts like "Noob fleet" or "Just jump into a BS with smarties and u will blow half of GF away " jsut sounds like BS since goons have gunned down loads of their enemies with lesser skills and deffo equipment , they are how ever losign bigger numbers but still the dmg they inflicted on their enemy D2 is way more . 9 dreads + carrier prob are worth more than what all Goons have lost in ships but that just could be a roughly made calculation , but this just shows its determination and will that shows the mettle of an alliance , neither its propagnda nor its shiny toys . GL to Both sides and goons u guys have achieved a land mark here

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Well after checking the D2 KB , 9 Dreads lost and 1 carrier so far from D2 side and **** load of ships for Goons the remarks i heard in previous posts like "Noob fleet" or "Just jump into a BS with smarties and u will blow half of GF away " jsut sounds like BS since goons have gunned down loads of their enemies with lesser skills and deffo equipment , they are how ever losign bigger numbers but still the dmg they inflicted on their enemy D2 is way more . 9 dreads + carrier prob are worth more than what all Goons have lost in ships but that just could be a roughly made calculation , but this just shows its determination and will that shows the mettle of an alliance , neither its propagnda nor its shiny toys . GL to Both sides and goons u guys have achieved a land mark here

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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[...]
and goons u guys have achieved a land mark here

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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That's why you fail boy.

dbp

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Originally by: Jin'Roh

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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[...]
and goons u guys have achieved a land mark here

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true, in creating lag
i know i know all you cool ppl from not involved and never been in xzh corps/allys will start giving me names and things but still
its true
and goons will say "we have to suffer the same lag, woohoo"
the standard bees job is lock 1 target, the dread
and even with fubar lag like xzh had the last week, after a while he has the dread locked.
he doesnt need to switch targets or anything else for a long time now.
the dread support has to lock and shoot fast, impossible
lag is there friend, and much wanted by them.

jin

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Originally by: Jin'Roh

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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[...]
and goons u guys have achieved a land mark here

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true, in creating lag
i know i know all you cool ppl from not involved and never been in xzh corps/allys will start giving me names and things but still
its true
and goons will say "we have to suffer the same lag, woohoo"
the standard bees job is lock 1 target, the dread
and even with fubar lag like xzh had the last week, after a while he has the dread locked.
he doesnt need to switch targets or anything else for a long time now.
the dread support has to lock and shoot fast, impossible
lag is there friend, and much wanted by them.

jin

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Originally by: Jurushy

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no that is not correct
atm the loses of Goon are a little more in worth than D2 whit the capital ships
atm we are in the scale of 25-30 mil on every side

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Originally by: Jurushy

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no that is not correct
atm the loses of Goon are a little more in worth than D2 whit the capital ships
atm we are in the scale of 25-30 mil on every side

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Originally by: Cartiff

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Why are ERA/BOB/Anyone even posting here?

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Originally by: Cartiff

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D2 Respects Goons

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Originally by: Tuijabird

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Edited by: Tuijabird on 05/07/2006 05:26:12
Why does ERA even talk? You got owned out of how much space in a matter of a day? Why don't you got fan-boy some other war you pathetic excuse for an alliance. I love the fact you come on here trying to big up goons. Doesn't it **** you off a tech I(not even) alliance is doing more than you could do in months? Your sad so stfu.

Take away the lagged out dread losses. Take those dread kills away and what you have is a massacre. Dreads lost at pos? like hey are supposed to be used. d2 using them while looking at 120 man + spam party. Takes balls. But let us not get it twisted here. Without those lagged out cap ship losses. Some have been reimburesed btw. it has been a pumbling of the goon fleet time and time again.

I also find it intresting when lookin at some goosn info they either have other eve pilot joining them alot lately. Or they are buying accounts. Looking at alot of the info shows you different historys. Barely anyone is just in tyhe game for 4 months and just in goonfleet etc. Found it intresting fact.

Time will tell so keep it up and goons will be reduced to their former tech I crusier frig fleets.

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Originally by: Crellion

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Originally by: grizouh

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Originally by: Crellion

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Originally by: Andraxx

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Quote:

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I am a bit upset that from 220 peeps in this system no group jumped our mere 50 peeps and so we had to jump in you and lag out... bad form gents... but then you are in a territorial war so meh... I forgive you.

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Why we should jump out from XZH? After that we have to return. And then for shure the XXXXX goons will leave their POS, and we have problems to move back. So if you move up to XZH you have to enter. Also we removed bubbels from the gate so that itwas a bit more eazy 4u.

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Well I said I forgive you since you have other business there too but you can rest assured that no -v- 120 man fleet would refuse the opprtunity to jump in on a 50 man hostile fleet (with only 1 dictor bubble) but rather wait on the 50 hostiles to jump into our 120. So yes I understand why you did it but no its not really up to what I consider proper pvp alliance standards.... then again I dont know if yoou are a pvp alliance so meh...

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<giggle>
proper pvp alliance standards...

and of course after we would have jumped into your gatecamp to your conditions (opt range etc) goons would have let us back in without any interference because everybody plays really fair.
hope you never have to decide bout tactical movements...

we took away the bubbles etc, thats fair enough imho.


thx for your statement plutoinum, really appreciated

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As always on these forums every Joe with a keyboard says whatever quoting stuff out of context...

@ Plutonium: I didnt complain. I didnt say anything. Then some 8 year old comment "111 I killed my first Megathron " type of thing was posted about me personally so I replied. rly

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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But joining a bandwaggon means facing numbers and lag.

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Originally by: Cartiff

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Why are ERA/BOB/Anyone even posting here?

Your arguing in a thread, which has nothing to do with you.

D2 Respects Goons
Goons Respect D2
Lots of shooty, all having fun.

Lets just leave it at that eh boys, and wait for the next "big thing" to hit the forums

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Originally by: LUKEC

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From my experience while in ATUK (yes, short one), D2 and their merry bandwaggon never fought unless they had like 2x more people(tribute cough cough). Apparently goons are providing with what you were doing before.

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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PS: I think that Youwhat alliance still post their kills in D2 KB if not , number will change for sure. In that case can someone post me a link to their KB ?

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Originally by: Ur Dirac

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So who's winning? Looks like GOON has sov over XZH still...

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Originally by: Ur Dirac

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So who's winning? Looks like GOON has sov over XZH still...

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Originally by: Rimini Toranos

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Originally by: LUKEC

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From my experience while in ATUK (yes, short one), D2 and their merry bandwaggon never fought unless they had like 2x more people(tribute cough cough). Apparently goons are providing with what you were doing before.

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Well, you know that is rubbish. Are you forgeting the F-E meatshield?

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Originally by: Quarantine

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Edited by: Quarantine on 05/07/2006 15:23:20
The only thing it really tells you at the moment is that we lost a lot of ships to enemy POS during the first few days, and that we've won every (edit: ok, most) non-pos battle so far.

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Originally by: 13th

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Here are some numbers I've taken from the goon killboards.

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Originally by: Tuijabird

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Edited by: Tuijabird on 05/07/2006 05:26:12
Bitter Alt Rubbish

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Originally by: Tuijabird

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Edited by: Tuijabird on 05/07/2006 05:26:12
Take away the lagged out dread losses. Take those dread kills away and what you have is a massacre. Dreads lost at pos? like hey are supposed to be used. d2 using them while looking at 120 man + spam party. Takes balls. But let us not get it twisted here. Without those lagged out cap ship losses. Some have been reimburesed btw. it has been a pumbling of the goon fleet time and time again.

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Originally by: deadEd

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Edited by: deadEd on 05/07/2006 19:03:28

Originally by: Tuijabird

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Edited by: Tuijabird on 05/07/2006 05:26:12
Take away the lagged out dread losses. Take those dread kills away and what you have is a massacre. Dreads lost at pos? like hey are supposed to be used. d2 using them while looking at 120 man + spam party. Takes balls. But let us not get it twisted here. Without those lagged out cap ship losses. Some have been reimburesed btw. it has been a pumbling of the goon fleet time and time again.

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The terms of victory are pretty clear in an engagement like this. GS wants Soverignty, and they have it. Until D2 can take it away from them, or make them not want it anymore, then GS is winning, plain and simple. Adding up kills and trying to posit victory from that is pretty pointless, doubly so against an alliance that pretty much expects to lose large numbers of ships and compensates accordingly.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Unfortunately for your logic on that one, that applies to all alliances (expects to lose) so by the same token, D2 expect to lose dreadnoughts, thus the loss of them has no bearing on the cost of war.

Doesn't quite work like that though, does it?

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Originally by: LUKEC

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Originally by: Crellion

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Originally by: grizouh

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Originally by: Crellion

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Originally by: Andraxx

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Quote:

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I am a bit upset that from 220 peeps in this system no group jumped our mere 50 peeps and so we had to jump in you and lag out... bad form gents... but then you are in a territorial war so meh... I forgive you.

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Why we should jump out from XZH? After that we have to return. And then for shure the XXXXX goons will leave their POS, and we have problems to move back. So if you move up to XZH you have to enter. Also we removed bubbels from the gate so that itwas a bit more eazy 4u.

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Well I said I forgive you since you have other business there too but you can rest assured that no -v- 120 man fleet would refuse the opprtunity to jump in on a 50 man hostile fleet (with only 1 dictor bubble) but rather wait on the 50 hostiles to jump into our 120. So yes I understand why you did it but no its not really up to what I consider proper pvp alliance standards.... then again I dont know if yoou are a pvp alliance so meh...

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<giggle>
proper pvp alliance standards...

and of course after we would have jumped into your gatecamp to your conditions (opt range etc) goons would have let us back in without any interference because everybody plays really fair.
hope you never have to decide bout tactical movements...

we took away the bubbles etc, thats fair enough imho.


thx for your statement plutoinum, really appreciated

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As always on these forums every Joe with a keyboard says whatever quoting stuff out of context...

@ Plutonium: I didnt complain. I didnt say anything. Then some 8 year old comment "111 I killed my first Megathron " type of thing was posted about me personally so I replied. rly

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From my experience while in ATUK (yes, short one), D2 and their merry bandwaggon never fought unless they had like 2x more people(tribute cough cough). Apparently goons are providing with what you were doing before.

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Rimini Toranos

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Originally by: LUKEC

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From my experience while in ATUK (yes, short one), D2 and their merry bandwaggon never fought unless they had like 2x more people(tribute cough cough). Apparently goons are providing with what you were doing before.

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Well, you know that is rubbish. Are you forgeting the F-E meatshield?

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err.. you think the G/Iron/razor/other randoms suddenly changed tactic when ATUK agreed to end hostilities with F-E.. my first northern campaign started just over a year ago.. and they played exactly the same then..

I'm not saying it's good or bad, but if you proclaim D2 as the next superpower.. it is important for them to deal with situations where they arent automatically going to outblob their enemies..

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Rimini Toranos

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Originally by: LUKEC

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From my experience while in ATUK (yes, short one), D2 and their merry bandwaggon never fought unless they had like 2x more people(tribute cough cough). Apparently goons are providing with what you were doing before.

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Well, you know that is rubbish. Are you forgeting the F-E meatshield?

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err.. you think the G/Iron/razor/other randoms suddenly changed tactic when ATUK agreed to end hostilities with F-E.. my first northern campaign started just over a year ago.. and they played exactly the same then..

I'm not saying it's good or bad, but if you proclaim D2 as the next superpower.. it is important for them to deal with situations where they arent automatically going to outblob their enemies..

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Get over yourself thoth.

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Edited by: welsh wizard on 06/07/2006 02:13:55

Originally by: LUKEC

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Originally by: Crellion

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Originally by: grizouh

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Originally by: Crellion

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Originally by: Andraxx

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Quote:

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I am a bit upset that from 220 peeps in this system no group jumped our mere 50 peeps and so we had to jump in you and lag out... bad form gents... but then you are in a territorial war so meh... I forgive you.

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Why we should jump out from XZH? After that we have to return. And then for shure the XXXXX goons will leave their POS, and we have problems to move back. So if you move up to XZH you have to enter. Also we removed bubbels from the gate so that itwas a bit more eazy 4u.

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Well I said I forgive you since you have other business there too but you can rest assured that no -v- 120 man fleet would refuse the opprtunity to jump in on a 50 man hostile fleet (with only 1 dictor bubble) but rather wait on the 50 hostiles to jump into our 120. So yes I understand why you did it but no its not really up to what I consider proper pvp alliance standards.... then again I dont know if yoou are a pvp alliance so meh...

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<giggle>
proper pvp alliance standards...

and of course after we would have jumped into your gatecamp to your conditions (opt range etc) goons would have let us back in without any interference because everybody plays really fair.
hope you never have to decide bout tactical movements...

we took away the bubbles etc, thats fair enough imho.


thx for your statement plutoinum, really appreciated

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As always on these forums every Joe with a keyboard says whatever quoting stuff out of context...

@ Plutonium: I didnt complain. I didnt say anything. Then some 8 year old comment "111 I killed my first Megathron " type of thing was posted about me personally so I replied. rly

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From my experience while in ATUK (yes, short one), D2 and their merry bandwaggon never fought unless they had like 2x more people(tribute cough cough). Apparently goons are providing with what you were doing before.

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Weren't you in H-W last March?

Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Rimini Toranos

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Originally by: LUKEC

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From my experience while in ATUK (yes, short one), D2 and their merry bandwaggon never fought unless they had like 2x more people(tribute cough cough). Apparently goons are providing with what you were doing before.

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Well, you know that is rubbish. Are you forgeting the F-E meatshield?

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err.. you think the G/Iron/razor/other randoms suddenly changed tactic when ATUK agreed to end hostilities with F-E.. my first northern campaign started just over a year ago.. and they played exactly the same then..

I'm not saying it's good or bad, but if you proclaim D2 as the next superpower.. it is important for them to deal with situations where they arent automatically going to outblob their enemies..

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Get over yourself thoth.

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