Veers youl ove to focus on the rarest and most expensive ships in the game, while completely ignoring how many T1 ships like the Procurer or the Drake are nearly impossible to gank with positive efficiency when tanked correctly. In your world, a pirate cruiser has like 10x the EHP of a T1 cruiser, because :isk: . Somehow, this is balanced.

Let us truly digest your suggestions for a moment. An Astero would be as difficult to kill as some T1 battleships.

I was going to respond....but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Next time before you post something like this try to think about why a Mach or Vindi costs more than a Catalyst, and figure out if that is "player driven" or not. As the answer to that demolishes the rest of your arguments, no further comment by me is merited.

Doesn't know how the economy works, tells us anyway.

Such logic. Much wow. Clearly the fact that faction battleships require more player effort to make than destroyers is proof that all my other arguments are invalid. I can see now that there is no player-driven element at all here. CCP merely plops the hulls out of their backsides into the lap of whichever player is most deserving. The actual prices involved are forcibly imposed upon us all by the random whims of server hamsters. If they get enough treats then it brings the prices down. I get it!

You are so logical oh mighty master of New Eden. What more wisdom do you have to share with us? Perhaps some pro pvp tips?

Oh come on....stop playing it intentionally obtuse. CCP arbitrarily decides how many minerals it will take to build each ship. CCP arbitrarily decides how common BPO drops/purchases will be. There is no player driven element here, it is absolutely under the complete control of CCP. Those factors compel certain ships to be more expensive than other ships. If you would think things through instead of making smarmy remarks this would all be obvious to you.

Oh come on....stop playing it intentionally obtuse. CCP arbitrarily decides how many minerals it will take to build each ship. CCP arbitrarily decides how common BPO drops/purchases will be. There is no player driven element here, it is absolutely under the complete control of CCP. Those factors compel certain ships to be more expensive than other ships. If you would think things through instead of making smarmy remarks this would all be obvious to you.

Oh come on....stop playing it intentionally obtuse. CCP arbitrarily decides how many minerals it will take to build each ship. CCP arbitrarily decides how common BPO drops/purchases will be. There is no player driven element here, it is absolutely under the complete control of CCP. Those factors compel certain ships to be more expensive than other ships. If you would think things through instead of making smarmy remarks this would all be obvious to you.

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Oh my god Veers, That almost gave me cancer. The Material does not determine cost. Only the amount needed to make it. But that doesn't factor the actually cost. The Market will decide the cost.

They give 3rd graders economic lessons? Where do you live? China?


And please. Inform me. Because all I've seen was EVE Tin-Foil so far.

I'm not sure what you point is. Yes, Drakes and Procurers can be tanked to make ganking unprofitable and Kb negative. Machariels, Nightmares, and Rattlesnakes, the main L4 runners cannot be tanked in such a fashion (more officer tank mods would be nice, maybe deadspace LSE's, etc...).

An Astereo is a unique ship with special bonuses, we would not expect it to be 10 times as tanked as a T1. A Mach is essentially a better Maelstron, ditto for Vindi v. Hyperion, etc... The fact is that while you have lots of faction/deadspace/officer mods to get better gank, your tank options are still limited, and you remain vulnerable to gangs of cheap gank ships.

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Enough said.

I know that we've already established that the player-driven market is an illusion and it's all down to the hamsters. But I am really struggling with how the hamsters set the price of Plex. Can you please elaborate on this?

Making a fool of yourself is certainly your right. You would be better served conducting some basic coursework in macroeconomics though. Learn about about market equilibrium and the forces that erase arbitrage opportunities.

Making a fool of yourself is certainly your right. You would be better served conducting some basic coursework in macroeconomics though. Learn about about market equilibrium and the forces that erase arbitrage opportunities.

Making a fool of yourself is certainly your right. You would be better served conducting some basic coursework in macroeconomics though. Learn about about market equilibrium and the forces that erase arbitrage opportunities.

Why have they changed their mind about the plex price?

I am being serious

You have shown us all how the economy is quite difficult for some to comprehend. I believe that truly, the only person in the thread who can answer my question is you, given your advanced knowledge of the subject.

What determines the price of plex?

too much mining.

Well, CCP arbitrarily determines how much a Plex costs in $$$. Then you look at the supply/demand for plex (which is derived from, among other things, the supply/demand for ISK). Currently we have Plex inflation coupled with generalized Eve deflation, which suggests that Eve stuff is getting devalued due to too much mining.

Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info

Also please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically.

Right so ganking is good then, since it forces miners to stop mining, and causes the loss of assets, forcing the price to go UP!


YEAH! GO GANKING!

Psssshhhhh Froggy! we know about that, we were playing Logical Fallacies Bingo, here is your card, shout bingo when you see veers fill that sheet in a single thread

Well, I'm on record as suggesting that gankers focus on miners, and not drift towards haulers,

Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info

Also please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically.

ohhhh, you should stretch before doing mental gymnastics dude, you have said otherwise in this very thread.

Actually the point was that 3rd graders learn Economics among many other subjects, and that the other posters here had not even internalized that level of knowledge. But do enjoy trying to fill up your bingo card *eyeroll* - it should be amusing considering that I never make any fallacious arguments.