In before lock.

Oh, and can I have the stuff of that third account if ends up dropping? I promise I will use it for nefarious purposes.

Stripped it down.... but we can talk about buying (isk) the alts if so interested....

Nah, I have between three and seven active accounts at any one time. On second thought, what is it skilled in? I've been considering buying a character, but for a more specialized purpose than I imagine your alt has been trained for, but no harm in asking.

2 because I am not peasant and pay with real monies

If you honestly cannot make 2.5b a month extra with THREE accounts you're doing it wrong.

Planned to drop 2 100mil chars aka accounts but suitable games didn't emerge for me as of yet,as soon as that happens il drop em largely by my realization that i am not getting enough bang for a back from them.

EvE dropped in value for me to single acc not even payed one plexed one but due to my laziness and lack of suitable replacement i keep em running on CC just renew 1y sub on one of em few days ago.

Can we share our very limited personal experiences with each other, and then pretend that this accurately translates into a big picture that reads "EVE is dying"?

That sounds like fun.

For every account you unsub, I'll sub three.

Greetings,

Keep on topic and stay away from personal attacks. This is about the most general topic I have seen in a while, curious to see it run its course.

On On

I've never had more than two active accounts at any given time.

I'm dropping four accts in the next week as they expire.

My GTX590 crapped out and now the backup card failed. I can't be bothered to install a client on this laptop (plus it's my kids and he would be most unhappy with me if I did) so all I have for the next few weeks is forum access with two accts active.

Mr Epeen

Starting to wonder if thats not the best way to go but I've really gotten accustomed to a third for offgrid boosting. I went as high as 5 at one point. Wasted some time there.....

If PLEX wasnt so dang high this wouldnt even be an issue..... PI used to almost cover the accounts.... not so much anymore.

I've never had more than two active accounts at any given time.

Seems like we only ever have threads of players mentioning that they are reducing their character count.
Where are the threads mentioning how many new ones they are creating and adding to their accounts?

Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices I'm down to 3 accounts. Might drop to 2.

How many accounts are you down to now?

Discuss

Same here.

Seems like we only ever have threads of players mentioning that they are reducing their character count.
Where are the threads mentioning how many new ones they are creating and adding to their accounts?

Translated :'' OMG MY PASSIVE INCOME doesn't fully support plex anymore , outrageous '''

I had 2 now I have 3, there goes your theory about CCP losing money due to :reasons:

So afk income no longer lets you enjoy certain parts of the game? Looks like that free market democracy is finally dping its job huh. Damn shame it is to work for a living.

For a week, I'd like to see CCP only allow subscribers to use one character. The breakdown would be epic.

I've actually increased my number of accounts by 6 in recent times, possibly because I'm not a poor, lazy pleb.

I've actually increased my number of accounts by 6 in recent times, possibly because I'm not a poor, lazy pleb.

You increasing 1 account makes all the difference in the world.... you need to go back and read the entire thread instead of responding to what you WANT to respond to.... many folks responding are cutting back as I am for :reasons:

My +1 account makes same difference as your -1 account.

For some reason you think that few people who are forum regulars and just happen to agree with you are viable sample of whole silent majority who at this very moment probably subbed god knows how many alts. In same way you could say that everybody is ganking freighters (almost everybody in relevant threads is doing it) or everybody is flying rattlesnake (which happens to be quite popular suggestion in L4s related threads).

OMG, PLEX is expensive I unsubbed, Eve is dead!!!oneone11!

Yes, servers will go dark because few people can't PLEX themselves with AFK ishtars so easily so they cancel 1 sub.

Seems to me there are three types of accounts (with some minor exceptions):

. 'Mains' --> the one(s) you play and have fun with, the reason you play EVE
. 'Support' --> the one(s) that directly support your mains' gameplay, such as cyno alts, links or haulers
. 'Wage workers' --> the one(s) you use exclusively to make ISK

Wage worker accounts need to make a total of more than 1 PLEX/month (or 1/3 PLEX/month per character) to be worthwhile. When PLEX prices rise, several wage workers get fired. No big deal, nobody was actually having fun with them in the first place.

OP you're describing your accounts as wage workers, so no big deal in your case.


OTOH, mains and support accounts should ideally be worth paying 15$/month for because the enjoyment you get out of them is well worth it. Compared to, say, eating lunch at an affordable restaurant.

If that isn't the case, CCP has a problem in the first place (either unsatisfied customers or customers with too low disposable income); people unsubbing mains due to rising PLEX prices just brings the problem to the surface.

I am a poor, because I'm lazy. So...

Can we share our very limited personal experiences with each other, and then pretend that this accurately translates into a big picture that reads "EVE is dying"?

That sounds like fun.

You need to make less than 30M isk per day per account to keep them PLEXED.

Evidently you don't do PI on over 50 Planets.... Anything but passive....pretty much a clickfest. According to you, anything outside ratting must be passive isk. Incorrect.

Try doing PI on a massive scale then come back and tell me how "afk" it is. Your argument is invalid and not even close to being on topic.

You do know what AFK stands for ?AWAY FROM KEYBOARD , or are you telling me that your planets somehow only produce when you are actively online unlike all the other PI that is done?

Passive isk to me is when you gain isk/assets while not actually playing the game.A miner usually is mentioned for this as they can be semi or fully afk .But it also involves other means of income , like PI .The old way of letting your drones handle a mission whilest watching a movie for example could also be seen as passive income.We're not talking FREE isk we are talking passive isk so yes you stiill need to invest some time to do so and if you choose the one wich needed a 50 planet clickfest then i'd say you choose the wrong passive income.

I gathered my income over the last years mostly from investments/trade/research , all of wich are completely passive to semi passive if you do it in the way i did.I don't have anything against people gaining passive income , i do have something against people complaining about their passive income not being sufficient enough.

For every account you unsub, I'll sub three.

Your opinion... I do not share it. Wall of text not on topic either...

2 because I am not peasant and pay with real monies

2 because I am not peasant and pay with real monies

Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices I'm down to 3 accounts. Might drop to 2.

How many accounts are you down to now?

Discuss

This just made me giggle.

I'll stick with two accounts as well, cuz i can't be bothered to multitask beyond that number

I 'play' EVE for fun, not 'WORK' EVE to pay for the extra accounts.

Having said this... i wonder if CCP has any numbers on how many people actually never pay for their account.

Funny that the people in the highest echelons of the mega alliances/corps prolly pay CCP the least (if not nothing at all) in RL Iskies

Don't get me wrong though, i think it's admirable if u manage to make it so u never have to pay a dime to play EVE by leeching your corp/alliance

Seems as the real responses are actually drowning out the "he is just whining" crowd and real info is actually being put up here for CCP consumption.

for once.....

Seems as the real responses are actually drowning out the "he is just whining" crowd and real info is actually being put up here for CCP consumption.

for once.....

You think this information on the forums is somehow more comprehensive than the server and subscription data CCP has direct access to? They won't even give this thread a second glance. They don't need to.

I keep repeating myself, but.. the plural of "anecdote" is not "fact".

Seems as the real responses are actually drowning out the "he is just whining" crowd and real info is actually being put up here for CCP consumption.

for once.....

But a whole general discussion thread of anecdotes... is something altogether different

I got some "real info" for ya:

800 / 30 = 26.66666

If you can't generate 27M isk per day on each of your accounts, you are seriously "doing it wrong."

I got some "real info" for ya:

800 / 30 = 26.66666

If you can't generate 27M isk per day on each of your accounts, you are seriously "doing it wrong."

I have some "real info" for you:

Me sitting at work, eating my cup of oodles and noodles and lunch meat sandwich while reading the Eve forums would pay for one month of game time without having to "grind" in game.

If you can't generate that kind of money in real life, then get a better job...?

/sarcasm.

Went from 2 to 1 and now to 0 beginning next month

I've never had more than two active accounts at any given time.

I got some "real info" for ya:

800 / 30 = 26.66666

If you can't generate 27M isk per day on each of your accounts, you are seriously "doing it wrong."

Can I haz your name?

Wondered when your ass would show up..... you definitely did not disappoint....

If you are spending most of your day trolling these forums because you are emotionally attached to a video game.... you are doing it wrong :)

I'm +2 accounts, now with 3 total, all payed subs. I might get the two new ones to make enough to plex all three. But this has nothing to do with game mechanics or changes. It is mostly because I have more time to play when I'm single. When I find a new woman to hang out with, I'm quite certain I'll drop back down to 1 account.

I find the "waaaaa Im quiting!" posts to be more indicative of emotioh\nal attachment than the reasoned responses that put it in perspective.

Look, I think there is some value in lodging complaints.. and sometimes it even makes sense to use GD as a platform for doing so. For an example of a spectacular failure, see the guys in the Kronos drone skill change threads (they didn't even get points refunded that CCP dev admitted they were due). For an example of a success, look at the Ero1 threadnaught.

Nonetheless, if there's something about EVE that you think is going in a negative direction, I think it makes sense to have a constructive discussion around it. Do you think there are realistic solutions that CCP could look at? Could it be possible that what you perceive as a problem actually isn't? There are lots of questions one could ask..

CCP can look at this thread and find 30 people who have dropped two accounts a piece. Great. Good vent. But what do you really want to accomplish? Is there some intelligent correlation you can draw from the information people have given you so far?

Or maybe none of this matters.

Price of PLEX isn't a problem - problem is lack of new content and gameplay styles combined with somewhat strong competition from 2 other Internet spaceship games.

p.s. 3 days left for this account. I feel like I'll let it expire and there is high chance I won't reactivate it until territory / WiS expansion (so never).

Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices I'm down to 3 accounts. Might drop to 2.

How many accounts are you down to now?

Discuss

Seems as the real responses are actually drowning out the "he is just whining" crowd and real info is actually being put up here for CCP consumption.

for once.....

Every MMO I've played people complain all over the forums after every patch how fail it is and threaten to quit, and a month later, they're still playing. I doubt CCP will give two ***** over bluster on the forums. What will get their attention is if a month from now they have a net loss of a couple thousand subscribers...I mean actual subscribers, not people PLEXing accounts.

Don't get me wrong...I hate this update. I know there was quite a bit of feedback *before* the update in S&I that the costs under the new system were ridiculous. My industrial alt just spent close to 100M to start research jobs on his own stinkin POS. He then went to start a manufacturing job that in the past would have cost about 11,000 ISK in a NPC station and it would now have cost over 2,000,000 if I had accepted it. I'm not sure why anyone would have a high sec POS anymore. I don't think the fuel costs and risking your stuff will be worth it.

I think I'll drop my industrial alt account when the sub is up....so... -1 accounts here.

Evidently you don't do PI on over 50 Planets.... Anything but passive....pretty much a clickfest. According to you, anything outside ratting must be passive isk. Incorrect.

Done with it. If they ever fix exploration to be about actual exploration of systems or unique hidden objects I may come back, but until then I'll wait for the Elite: Dangerous beta and spend even more time in the pub.

Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices I'm down to 3 accounts. Might drop to 2.

How many accounts are you down to now?

Discuss

Try doing PI on a massive scale then come back and tell me how "afk" it is. Your argument is invalid and not even close to being on topic.

It sounds like you (and too many others) are plexing for plexings sake, and that will inevitably raise prices. Ccp needs to care about how many plexes are sold and consumed, more than just accounts plexed. If plex prices go down, I will consume them for dual training, if they stay high, I won't.

Pi from what I can see is partially intended as an analogue to daily quests, for people that like that something needs attention when they log on, and partially designed to remove npc item sourcing, it was however not specifically designed for free extra accounts.

I considered pi to support four accounts. Then I realized that I didn't want to manage 72 planets. Sounds miserable.




Not miserable (daily trips into low break the monotony) but tedious and alot more work than you think. With PLEX prices as high as they are now....not worth it IMO. I found it easier to drop extra PI accounts and just sub my 2 mains and PLEX my one off grid booster account for now.


Skill que online..... who ever posted that (too lazy to look) is awesome. Seems accurate enough.

Hmm, may have to start up another account to do this manufacturing thing...

Skill que online..... who ever posted that (too lazy to look) is awesome. Seems accurate enough.

For the past year or so I've mainly been playing Skill Queue Online.

The real concern here is that the OP believes it would take 72 planet PI to earn enough to pay for 4 accounts.

The real concern here is that the OP believes it would take 72 planet PI to earn enough to pay for 4 accounts.

Why brining old , endless ice fields will be bad to the game?

Nah, there's a decent chance of being able to manufacture stuff in my home.

I never started in highsec because... well who can compete with the ME1337 BPOs and people who are able to mine minerals for free...

Darn, that's funny, your industry Goonies in the feedback thread have been harping on what a waste of time it was to over-research BPO's and calling everybody who did it stupid and scamming on poor noob's.

Darn, that's funny, your industry Goonies in the feedback thread have been harping on what a waste of time it was to over-research BPO's and calling everybody who did it stupid and scamming on poor noob's.

I think that this topic is very good way to point CCP issues other than SOV and capitals.
Account reduction means that something is wrong in this place, and i find many similarities here.

1.Ice Changes , where bad to the game - accounts where lost, did something was gained?
2. Plex prices , hard to say if CCP sell more plexes , but it looks like the higher plex price the less accounts are running on them , so in theory less plex needed.
3. Bad expansions , not the stuff players expected.

I think CCP should gather information why people unsubed some of their accounts.

Why brining old , endless ice fields will be bad to the game?

Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices I'm down to 3 accounts. Might drop to 2.

How many accounts are you down to now?

Discuss

First, your base assumption that I have reduced my accounts is flawed, I have the same amount.

Secondly, I have actually increased my ISK spending by starting 2 new alt training queues.

Aren't you adorable thinking that I was speaking directly to you.

At 3 accounts now as of today (from 5) but pretty much made up my mind to keep three. Off grid booster is too luxurious even if 2 accounts seems to be optimal.

Increased from 3 to 5 in the last 6 months

Several of those I encouraged to play in the first place have gone from 1 to 2 or 3.

Seeing no reason to unsub

And ain't you just the cutest thang, thinking anyone cares

I've always wondered if people read our posts & take it verbatim. I guess I have my answer.

the 1337 reference passed them by

or the mining minerals for free

9 (correction 10) page thread says they do. Climb back under your bridge. Love you too.

All I see is 10 pages of folks pulling the "waaa, Im quitting" gig you started.

OK enough sweety... stay on topic please or go away.

Do you know that doing isn't spelled dping?

..uh-huh, says the Grammar Police...

Nah, there's a decent chance of being able to manufacture stuff in my home.

I never started in highsec because... well who can compete with the ME1337 BPOs and people who are able to mine minerals for free...

Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices I'm down to 3 accounts. Might drop to 2.
How many accounts are you down to now?
Discuss

It's good to learn it all meant so much to you. It's good to know you put so much time, attention and consideration in your "accounts" that you counted them as keepsakes. That being said:
It's tragic to learn you just HAD to part with them to prove some point.

It makes me want to...

QQ!

As previously pointed out it really doesn't matter if people who pay for accounts with PLEX close the accounts, the lights and salaries are paid by the people who have paid subs and the people who buy PLEX with RL money.

Accounts paid for by PLEX are basically Free to Play accounts.

I should cross post this in the unpopular opinions thread

I'd like to clear a few things up regarding industry for you :)

The bpo's with high ME were there as a "selling point" for copies, anything beyond me10 was just for show (me100 for ammo).

Minerals are never free, but i know you're just trolling with that one. ;)

The ones you will be competing with on the market, in the hubs are the "wall-street"'ers, buy low, sell high, sometimes below mineral cost of items.

Asfaik, you don't need need another account now, since the only skills you need to compete are pretty much industry lvl1. And that is my point - I know several other professions have been screwed skill-wise, but industry is prettyy much just gone as a specialization.

What i *think* this is gonna do is screw up the market badly. A horde of "omg minerals are free, since i mined them and refined them myself" will rush in, and enjoy not having to know what profit is or spreadsheets and tools for making sure you're actually getting a little profit.

If you think prices in ships are high because of greed, think again, most ships are 5% profit. Ammo and drones are 25% mostly, but for that extra profit I have to fly around and they lock up production slots for ages.

Yes, "the tears are delicious" and things "are going according to plan" - Time will tell, I have already seen stuff on market that reeks of "my minerals are free, and i will undercut errbody and be rich!" - Good for the consumer in the short run.

As previously pointed out it really doesn't matter if people who pay for accounts with PLEX close the accounts, the lights and salaries are paid by the people who have paid subs and the people who buy PLEX with RL money.

Accounts paid for by PLEX are basically Free to Play accounts.

I should cross post this in the unpopular opinions thread

Yeah, i play for free but thanks to a random player that buys plex with real money, and then i give him fake money because for whatever reason i don't know he likes fake money more than real money.
In the end, the result is the same and my account is paid with real money, but not with my real money.

I feel like Grover trying to explain this to a kid but it was obviously necessary.

Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices I'm down to 3 accounts. Might drop to 2.

How many accounts are you down to now?

Discuss

if you're a miner, you won't drop from 3 accounts to 2.

No, you should post this in the "Dumb as a stump" thread.

Mr Epeen

Yeah, i play for free but thanks to a random player that buys plex with real money, and then i give him fake money because for whatever reason i don't know he likes fake money more than real money.
In the end, the result is the same and my account is paid with real money, but not with my real money.

I feel like Grover trying to explain this to a kid but it was obviously necessary.

To compound this the move to hisec POCOs seems to have set off a substantial plummet in PI prices particularly at the P3/p4 level, possibly due to a lot of new producers. The PI market has always been shallow with any single big producer capable of crashing the market in an item if they are not careful. Unless something substantial happens to increase the demand for PI goods its likely to become less and less viable.

I'm not sure the hisec POCOs have caused any price drop with PI prices. That change was a while back after all. At the time I wouldn't be surprised if there was a price increase in PI goods. We stopped doing PI at that point after the null sec entities took over large proportions of the POCOs. It became too much of a pain in the ****.

I expect the industry changes with infinite slots and cancelling bonuses for multiple arrays will have affected the P3 & P4 prices though.

Still will never understand how people can't make 26 million isk per day per account , to the point where it's time to get rid of accounts lol.

This one easy as hell lvl 4 mission provides enough isk (if you loot/salvage) to provide a plex if you do one per day, and it's not even the best mission, it takes now time at all to complete in a tech 1 BS.

Still cant understand why I would keep an account I am not using so I let 2 go. Easier to sub 2 and Plex just one instead of 3. Come to think of it there is really not that much to understand.

Still cant understand why I would keep an account I am not using so I let 2 go. Easier to sub 2 and Plex just one instead of 3. Come to think of it there is really not that much to understand.

Since the ICE nerf and PLEX 800mil prices

Still will never understand how people can't make 26 million isk per day per account , to the point where it's time to get rid of accounts lol.

This one easy as hell lvl 4 mission provides enough isk (if you loot/salvage) to provide a plex if you do one per day, and it's not even the best mission, it takes now time at all to complete in a tech 1 BS.

I think you don't get one thing.
Not all players play every day.
Some people login once per 2 weeks, or just for weekend.

I think you don't get one thing.
Not all players play every day.
Some people login once per 2 weeks, or just for weekend.

I assume that you play every day.
So for you match looks like : 800/31= 26mil per account
For people that login 5 times during a month : 800/5 per account = 160mil per account

Lets assume that you have only 4 characters in training , 1 is by subscription so you are left with 3 requiring plex, to keep them running.
So you have to earn (26 *3 ) 78 mil per the day you login.
People who play less often, for example just during the weekends (160*3) 480 per the time they login.

Like you see, the more you make this game fun , rather than work , this numbers grow very fast.
It is easy to earn 78 mil a day, but 480mil is a bit different story , especially when you want to do something more than PVE.
PVP also cost ISK , and in PVP it is quite easy to loose few bil in one day.

Now recalculate yourself those numbers when people are down to 3 from 11, and they want to have fun rather than grind Rats/missions/belts.

If you're not using it, why did you get it?

No one said anything about keeping accounts you aren't using. This is what you said in the 1st post: you didn't say anything about 'not needing' any account, you specifically mention cost.

Don't try to pretend you aren't whining about plex prices.