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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1563
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Posted - 2014.08.18 00:15:00 -
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Odin Skydiver wrote:Soo eve is converting to pay to win game if you happen to like pve? Need 2 accounts watching holes now. How about if scout could see activations in system map while active scanning then I would need just one again. And all pvpers would dislike this cause they would need to learn to be faster in dscaning.
There have been three times in the past 5 years people have jumped in to a wormhole while I was doing sleeper sites. I mean, honestly doing sleeper sites and not actually trying to bait while pretending to do sleeper sites. Three times where there was a brown pants event, and one of those times resulted in me losing a Drake, and 5 of my buds also losing their Drakes and pods For the return price of blapping two Arazus, a fair trade.
The other two times both resulted in me blazing down the foe and Zoidberging out of there. The last one I was in a C3 WR in a shield-tanked Nightmare and we clobbered a Legion, Eos and Keres, and drove off their mates in a VNI and Ishtar. having an alt on the hole didn't prevent the gank, it gave me 5 seconds to shart my lacy panties and reload to Scorch.
I don't think that this is pay-to-win. it's win by method and experience, and having a wee bit of luck.
Your whole Q.Q is based on some idea that you, personally, need 3 accounts to safely churn C4 sites. maybe you do, if you are neckbearding solo Marauders and haven't read the OTHER dev blog.
Secondly, the whole spiel of wormholes is that it is a team-based activity. PVE requires teamwork. So make a ffriend, instead of Q.Qing on the forums about how the game is apparently now "pay to win"because it gets restructured to make it difficult (not impossible) and risky (if you suck at EVE) to solo C4s.
Cry me a river. People like you are what this patch is about.
Just to put this sort of pants-wetting idiocy to bed, I shall use bold font.
If you do not jump through your statics, the other side doesn't spawn. So just roll your damn statics you numpty and don't jump through. Now you don't even NEED one alt to watch the static. You need zero!
Yeah, the inbound won't spawn till the involuntary sexual attack squad is properly formed up and ready to jump through. So that's more risky for you neckbearding carebears. But the inbound sigs never reliably spawned instantly anyway, so you aren't at any greater risk, really.
So. To the guy who got offended I called you all neckbeards, there you go. Yet another crybaby whiner identified on the forums complaining his bear den will have ants in it. You are all the same. Get out of the way, the real men want to move in to C4s to make happy times with the boat violencing. J's before K's. Sudden Buggery is recruiting w-nerds and w-noobs. Mail your resume in today! http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Pavel Sohaj
Anoikis Exploration
40
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Posted - 2014.08.18 08:08:00 -
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Fish McCragg wrote:Still looking for as much help as I can get putting together the c4 second statics list. Anyone who can provide me with info on even one system in SISI will get access to my list as I put it together. I'm hoping to find a pattern to fill in the blanks with, but worst case scenario, we just build the full list manually over time. Definitely better than just not knowing.
Why not. Mail sent. |
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
33
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:14:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote: Get out of the way, the real men want to move in to C4s to make happy times with the boat violencing.
How do real men fund their pvp stuff? |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
174
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:56:00 -
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umnikar wrote:Trinkets friend wrote: Get out of the way, the real men want to move in to C4s to make happy times with the boat violencing.
How do real men fund their pvp stuff? I'm also wondering why real men didn't go into c4 before - if they wanted to...
By farming your hulls |
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
33
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Posted - 2014.08.18 12:15:00 -
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Ya Huei wrote:umnikar wrote:Trinkets friend wrote: Get out of the way, the real men want to move in to C4s to make happy times with the boat violencing.
How do real men fund their pvp stuff? I'm also wondering why real men didn't go into c4 before - if they wanted to... By farming your hulls
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Odin Skydiver
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
0
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Posted - 2014.08.18 14:07:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Odin Skydiver wrote:Soo eve is converting to pay to win game if you happen to like pve? Need 2 accounts watching holes now. How about if scout could see activations in system map while active scanning then I would need just one again. And all pvpers would dislike this cause they would need to learn to be faster in dscaning. There have been three times in the past 5 years people have jumped in to a wormhole while I was doing sleeper sites. I mean, honestly doing sleeper sites and not actually trying to bait while pretending to do sleeper sites. Three times where there was a brown pants event, and one of those times resulted in me losing a Drake, and 5 of my buds also losing their Drakes and pods For the return price of blapping two Arazus, a fair trade. The other two times both resulted in me blazing down the foe and Zoidberging out of there. The last one I was in a C3 WR in a shield-tanked Nightmare and we clobbered a Legion, Eos and Keres, and drove off their mates in a VNI and Ishtar. having an alt on the hole didn't prevent the gank, it gave me 5 seconds to shart my lacy panties and reload to Scorch. I don't think that this is pay-to-win. it's win by method and experience, and having a wee bit of luck. Your whole Q.Q is based on some idea that you, personally, need 3 accounts to safely churn C4 sites. maybe you do, if you are neckbearding solo Marauders and haven't read the OTHER dev blog. Secondly, the whole spiel of wormholes is that it is a team-based activity. PVE requires teamwork. So make a ffriend, instead of Q.Qing on the forums about how the game is apparently now "pay to win"because it gets restructured to make it difficult (not impossible) and risky (if you suck at EVE) to solo C4s. Cry me a river. People like you are what this patch is about. Just to put this sort of pants-wetting idiocy to bed, I shall use bold font. If you do not jump through your statics, the other side doesn't spawn. So just roll your damn statics you numpty and don't jump through. Now you don't even NEED one alt to watch the static. You need zero! Yeah, the inbound won't spawn till the involuntary sexual attack squad is properly formed up and ready to jump through. So that's more risky for you neckbearding carebears. But the inbound sigs never reliably spawned instantly anyway, so you aren't at any greater risk, really. So. To the guy who got offended I called you all neckbeards, there you go. Yet another crybaby whiner identified on the forums complaining his bear den will have ants in it. You are all the same. Get out of the way, the real men want to move in to C4s to make happy times with the boat violencing.
Thanks for the reply btw your funny. I just had bad day and I need to go find that other dev blog. |
Pashko Morgan
Roid Gnash Pills
3
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Posted - 2014.08.19 09:41:00 -
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"There have been three times in the past 5 years people have jumped in to a wormhole while I was doing sleeper sites" My numbers are about 5 attempts to catch a care bearing pilot, 10 attempts to catch an orca/pi indie/static rolling bs per month. Being dropped about 3 times per month. And that's a silent c4 with c3 static. |
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
33
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Posted - 2014.08.19 10:00:00 -
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I hope the current activity in the c4 chains is only about corporations checking out new home systems... For me it was 10 k-162 yesterday and lotsa small gangs roaming. Other "bears" are reporting the same... If we add a 2nd static into that behavior it will be nothing but scanning ;D The wh kb is also showing a big spike in kills all over the place. Why didnt you guys roam your chains before? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2301
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:59:00 -
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So there are far more posts than I can go through so I apologize if this has already been answered.
Aside from the other unique things about C4's having only one static and no random spawns, their connections were only 16 hours vs 24.
With all of these changes, are they also getting changed to 24 hour WH's or are they staying at 16 hours? |
Aichem
MacArthur Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:04:00 -
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This change will be Negative for me.
I live in a C4 > C3 and specifically chose this system for isolation.
What's wrong with some variety? Having a more isolated WH type means people with different play-styles will have more opportunities. By removing the isolation, you remove a culture from the game. I think it's FUN to find a long route out and to face the logistical and danger challenges of bringing in supplies.
The goal should be to increase fun gameplay, not remove choices and variety.
Aichem |
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Fish McCragg
Adventure Bros.
15
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:23:00 -
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umnikar wrote:Fish McCragg wrote:Still looking for as much help as I can get putting together the c4 second statics list. Anyone who can provide me with info on even one system in SISI will get access to my list as I put it together. I'm hoping to find a pattern to fill in the blanks with, but worst case scenario, we just build the full list manually over time. Definitely better than just not knowing. I don't get it. Why? This is exactly what ccp is trying to avoid - the control over wh space. Maybe the next step really is loosing the system number.
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Fish McCragg
Adventure Bros.
15
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:23:00 -
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umnikar wrote:Fish McCragg wrote:Still looking for as much help as I can get putting together the c4 second statics list. Anyone who can provide me with info on even one system in SISI will get access to my list as I put it together. I'm hoping to find a pattern to fill in the blanks with, but worst case scenario, we just build the full list manually over time. Definitely better than just not knowing. I don't get it. Why? This is exactly what ccp is trying to avoid - the control over wh space. Maybe the next step really is loosing the system number.
Wait what? I'm charting it because it's important to know. I really doubt CCP will be the least bit surprised when all the new statics are well documented and available to everyone. I mean, that's kind of what we eve players do. |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
149
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Posted - 2014.08.21 07:18:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:So there are far more posts than I can go through so I apologize if this has already been answered.
Aside from the other unique things about C4's having only one static and no random spawns, their connections were only 16 hours vs 24.
With all of these changes, are they also getting changed to 24 hour WH's or are they staying at 16 hours?
The second static have the same id and attributes as the already existing statics. P060, N477, H900 etc ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2301
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Posted - 2014.08.21 14:23:00 -
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calaretu wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:So there are far more posts than I can go through so I apologize if this has already been answered.
Aside from the other unique things about C4's having only one static and no random spawns, their connections were only 16 hours vs 24.
With all of these changes, are they also getting changed to 24 hour WH's or are they staying at 16 hours? The second static have the same id and attributes as the already existing statics. P060, N477, H900 etc
I am aware of that. What I was curious about is if I had missed any discussion of those WH's getting changed in the future to be 24 hour instead of 16 hour.
I'm guessing no, but there were a lot of posts so it could have easily been missed |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
149
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Posted - 2014.08.21 15:19:00 -
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Not seen any mention of that no ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Zad Murrard
Pulssi Inc.
12
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Posted - 2014.08.22 12:09:00 -
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This change alone would not have been that bad for those who live in C4.
However combined with the rest of the changes this will change C4 life quite drastically.
Where as previously C4s were decent places to live in, after the changes they will be places to go through.
Hubs where not too many will live but many will go through.
I can see some corps moving to other locations with slight/medium decrease in total WH population and slight/medium increase in null / low population.
If this is what CCP wants, then job well done. |
Rahelis
Tris Legomenon
99
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Posted - 2014.08.25 08:07:00 -
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CCP does not want ppl to live in WHs. That is and was the original idea - easy to investigate.
The changes are aimed exactly about that. |
Winthorp
2614
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Posted - 2014.08.25 08:25:00 -
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Rahelis wrote:CCP does not want ppl to live in WHs. That is and was the original idea - easy to investigate. .
/Sigh, its people like you that fail to ever read devblogs or listen to any outside of game related info that continues to spread the stupid. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
641
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Posted - 2014.08.25 11:27:00 -
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Zad Murrard wrote:Where as previously C4s were decent places to live in, after the changes they will be places to go through. Rather places to be based out of. A base with two guaranteed w-space connections at any time sounds like heaven to me. . |
Zad Murrard
Pulssi Inc.
13
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:30:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Zad Murrard wrote:Where as previously C4s were decent places to live in, after the changes they will be places to go through. Rather places to be based out of. A base with two guaranteed w-space connections at any time sounds like heaven to me.
The thing is that if you wanted to make money in w-space for medium corps -> c5 or c6 would be the places. C4 was ok for smallish corps. Now with a smallish corp you cannot anymore make sure your C4 is safe enough to do anything. Thus your options are either join some medium corp, accept huge increase in losses when doing pve or moving out.
Note that growing is not an option, C4 does not provide the same easy ISK that c5 and c6 do. Yes, it would be possible to earn if one would really go to holes etc. Reality is though that people are lazy and don't do it. Is it a problem of CCP - absolutely not. It just means that lazy people do one of the options mentioned - move, change corp or accept loss increase. |
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Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.08.26 17:10:00 -
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Zad Murrard wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:Zad Murrard wrote:Where as previously C4s were decent places to live in, after the changes they will be places to go through. Rather places to be based out of. A base with two guaranteed w-space connections at any time sounds like heaven to me. The thing is that if you wanted to make money in w-space for medium corps -> c5 or c6 would be the places. C4 was ok for smallish corps. Now with a smallish corp you cannot anymore make sure your C4 is safe enough to do anything. Thus your options are either join some medium corp, accept huge increase in losses when doing pve or moving out. Note that growing is not an option, C4 does not provide the same easy ISK that c5 and c6 do. Yes, it would be possible to earn if one would really go to holes etc. Reality is though that people are lazy and don't do it. Is it a problem of CCP - absolutely not. It just means that lazy people do one of the options mentioned - move, change corp or accept loss increase. Honestly, no wormhole can really be made "safe" anymore due to other changes than these. The change of spawn distance after jumping is basically a gate mechanic with polarization as an added penalty. The distances now are large enough that any enemy force on the other side of a wormhole has a huge advantage in tackling and killing WH rollers.
This one change just adds more variety to the kinds of nails C4 residents can have in their coffins, not really changing that they will have coffins to reside in. |
Pook600
Defiance LLC
0
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:15:00 -
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+1 to new statics and changes. Hopefully this livens up WH space some. |
Katerin Archer
Total. Fractal Multiversity
4
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:53:00 -
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Pook600 wrote:+1 to new statics and changes. Hopefully this livens up WH space some.
After they remove the mass-based s*** and gay friggy holes - my hope will revive too. |
calexxa
Anoikis Exploration
10
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Posted - 2014.08.29 06:20:00 -
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Ok, so patch is so cool. C4 with C5/C6 - you really think someone will live there? Every C4 with those statics are dead - no active POS at all. And the rest? We live in C4, after patch there are 2 statics - ok .. but also at least 1-3 more wh!! And you know what is funny? That if you jump to any wormhole, it will be full (2-6x) of other wormholes. This is not case of C5,C6 but lower classes? You killed them .. why should someone want to live there? Several times higher risk with not increased income. This is what you wanted? Kill every single small corporation in wormhole? What you think? That they will move to low/null to join some huge aliance? Why? We loved our small part of space and independance.
You should maybe think again what you done here. If you want WHs to be ONLY connections between parts of space then you can shake your hands. And that mass jump lol change .. better not to talk anything about this. |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
172
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Posted - 2014.08.29 07:09:00 -
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calexxa wrote:Ok, so patch is so cool. C4 with C5/C6 - you really think someone will live there? Every C4 with those statics are dead - no active POS at all. And the rest? We live in C4, after patch there are 2 statics - ok .. but also at least 1-3 more wh!! And you know what is funny? That if you jump to any wormhole, it will be full (2-6x) of other wormholes. This is not case of C5,C6 but lower classes? You killed them .. why should someone want to live there? Several times higher risk with not increased income. This is what you wanted? Kill every single small corporation in wormhole? What you think? That they will move to low/null to join some huge aliance? Why? We loved our small part of space and independance.
You should maybe think again what you done here. If you want WHs to be ONLY connections between parts of space then you can shake your hands. And that mass jump lol change .. better not to talk anything about this.
I love it. Absolutely LOVE it. But then again i dont live in wormholes because of the isk/h. Maybe thats the issue you have ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Jez Amatin
Enso Corp
9
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:14:00 -
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calaretu wrote: I love it. Absolutely LOVE it. But then again i don't live in a C4 wormhole with C5 and C6 statics. Maybe thats the issue you have
Hi, just fixed that typo for you. |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
175
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:59:00 -
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calaretu wrote:calexxa wrote:Ok, so patch is so cool. C4 with C5/C6 - you really think someone will live there? Every C4 with those statics are dead - no active POS at all. And the rest? We live in C4, after patch there are 2 statics - ok .. but also at least 1-3 more wh!! And you know what is funny? That if you jump to any wormhole, it will be full (2-6x) of other wormholes. This is not case of C5,C6 but lower classes? You killed them .. why should someone want to live there? Several times higher risk with not increased income. This is what you wanted? Kill every single small corporation in wormhole? What you think? That they will move to low/null to join some huge aliance? Why? We loved our small part of space and independance.
You should maybe think again what you done here. If you want WHs to be ONLY connections between parts of space then you can shake your hands. And that mass jump lol change .. better not to talk anything about this. I love it. Absolutely LOVE it. But then again i dont live in wormholes because of the isk/h. Maybe thats the issue you have You are forgetting that not every wormhole exists to be lived in, some can create valuable chains that link to other areas of WH space. These areas would be otherwise very difficult to get to, so the addition of a C4 with a C5 and C6 static helps with the connectivity of W-space as a whole. Of course, someone does need to scan down, warp to, and jump through to really make these matter. |
Moloney
Mass Effect Enterprises
103
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:31:00 -
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Since I have been quite negative about the changes that were unwanted.
I would like to add that this change, on its own, is very good.
Thanks. |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1178
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Posted - 2014.08.31 15:27:00 -
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Katerin Archer wrote:Pook600 wrote:+1 to new statics and changes. Hopefully this livens up WH space some. After they remove the mass-based s*** and gay friggy holes - my hope will revive too.
The frigate holes would be great if some actually led to a new frigate limited wormhole space. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
648
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Posted - 2014.09.01 09:10:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:I have completely given up using one to scan and scout until that is resolved. While it is annoying that the k162 doesn't give a clue, it is extremely easy to align to somewhere before decloaking, then decloak and try to jump, and if jumping doesn't work, just warp off instantly.
Nicely demonstrates the willingness and/or capability to adapt of some people... . |
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