Currently if residents of a certain WH collapse their static connection and do not warp to the new one the effect is the same. It is not opened.

- A static to a C1 is just going to suck, due to mass limitations on C1 connections. Ever spent 3 hours rolling a hole in battlecruisers? Yeah, that's a C1 :(

- C3 sites vs. C4 sites is a big area of concern. For PvE purposes, if you can live in a C4 effectively enough to warrant choosing them over a C3, then you can do a C5. Otherwise you're better off living in a C3.

I might have my numbers off (it's early), but if I remember right you can't jump a capital through a C4 connection (you can with a C5/C6). That being the case, does it make sense to allow the second C4 static to be a k-space static to low/null (but not to hi-sec?)

The new static is indeed guaranteed to be for a different class than your current static.

There is a pretty large group of people that come to wormhole space specifically to not deal with capitals. There are others who don't want to bother with capital evictions and seeding. With the dual static, the C4 groups now have two Wormholes to farm (aka Both their statics which goes to other wormholes).

First off, while I am glade wormholes and C4s in specific are getting some work done, I have extremely mixed feelings about the changes coming to C4s. This is as person who currently co-runs a C4 hole.

Current the two biggest problems bar far with C4s is the difficult logistics trying to move stuff in and out. But by far and away the biggest problem is the Isk making capability of them. C3s are much easier to run, while C5s have a MUCH higher payouts.

The new changes will improve logistics without a doubt, but the other much bigger problem still remains. Now if you are lucky you will get a new C3 static, but the is very luck based and also in no way improves the C4 its self. PVE is going to become a lot more dangerous with the increased traffic, but the reward will not be increased anywhere near as much.

eve is a game of risk worth reward, so I honestly can't get behind these C4 changes until we see an increased pay out from C4s along side the incoming increased risk.

IGÇÖm not sure what youGÇÖre making in c3's but I know how much you can make solo in a c4...... The only thing I could see being done is lower the stupid spawn ranges and make more than 2 sites viable to run to make isk (do npcs really need to spawn 200+km from warp in?).

C4 income doesnGÇÖt require a buff other than making it more scalable for small-mid size groups it shouldnGÇÖt discourage you to run sites with your corp mates over solo. The duel static does push towards making c4 site running with a couple scout alts less risk free and encourage you to do it as a group but could use some more incentive.

People complaining about money from c4s being too low is a joke. Not high compared to many k-space activities, but for wormholes it is top, bar escalations.
Traffic will also not really change by how many statics you have since you just close them anyways if you don-¦t need them right now. It is already way down since many of the big/good c2-c4/high corps have closed their doors in the past 2 years. Very few people actually like having a c4static for anything other but farming. The number of pvp corps with a c5/6 static c4 is probably in the single digits. Also the c4 guys will always have the capitaladvantage, there are some in almost every c4.
The only thing this changes that people will see static c4s as a useful thing again and so c4s will stop being the australian outback where you log in once every few days, farm your sites and never meet a living soul in weeks.
Also it will already change with the addition of more random holes.

A C3 site, average out at about 60-80 million isk

Really nice seing all the non-C4 residents going "+1, great change", and those that actual living in C4 saying they fear its a bad thing, forcing people to move away from C4 instead of drawing more people into it.. Congrats non-C4 people, you might just get your own personal highway-class of WHs, with no targets in them..

[I dont want to sound rude or personal. But you simply dont know what you're talking about.

iskwise, the numbers are out there. undisbutable numbers.

The thing about having caps, in c4's. Not so sure, i mean, there isn't really a benefit for having one in a c4, other than easy farming is there?

If you need more C4 residents to confirm/deny this being a good thing, why not ask former pilots of SUSU (many now having moved on to NoHo, Hard Knocks etc) and why they left C4 for higher classes. Im sure none of them will say its because it only had 1 static.[/u]

C3s payout an average of 70mill per site while C4s payout an average 90mill, but are much harder, and will now become much less safe. This patch will push more people out of C4s then it will attract them in.

The idea of "adding a new entry point will make them more used" is very short sighted especially due to the fact that their biggest problem was inefficient isk making in the first place. That's why I stated if they want their reward needs to be increased, not only to fix their previous weakness, but to now make them even worth living in with the increased risk.

C4 income doesnGÇÖt require a buff other than making it more scalable for small-mid size groups it shouldnGÇÖt discourage you to run sites with your corp mates over solo. The duel static does push towards making c4 site running with a couple scout alts less risk free and encourage you to do it as a group but could use some more incentive.