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Anastasia Romanov	Posted - 2006.07.28 09:57:00 - [1] Can someone tell me a good machariel setup for level 4 missions please Regards Anastasia
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 09:59:00 - [2] Originally by: Anastasia Romanov Can someone tell me a good machariel setup for level 4 missions please Regards Anastasia It's not easy to do Level 4 missions in a machariel without investing billions, and it's not healthy for you because you might die from just me sending you hatemails during your missions for using it like that. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Anastasia Romanov	Posted - 2006.07.28 10:14:00 - [3] I have already lost 1 mach to a level 4 mission.. I belive my setup was something like this.. High 4x 1400mm t2 / 2x smartbombs medium 1x ab t2 / 4x cap recharger t2 Low 1x armor repair t2 / 4x n-type hardners /2x gyro Please let me know if someone has a better setup. Thanks regards Anastasia
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.07.28 10:25:00 - [4] Disregarding the troll stench, clueless people who buy Machs with ebay cash and can't find a proper setup on their own are worse than escrow scammers and suicide gankers put together :/ --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Anastasia Romanov	Posted - 2006.07.28 10:32:00 - [5] Thanks for the nice words mate never used Ebay, i can make my own money np
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 10:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Disregarding the troll stench, clueless people who buy Machs with ebay cash and can't find a proper setup on their own are worse than escrow scammers and suicide gankers put together :/ Escrow scammer and suicide gankers aren't bad. Takes skills to find your idiot to scam and claim a stupidly named module that doesn't match the desired one. Selecting and 'taking down' a hauler out of thousands roaming around and taking your chances at getting nothing is hard too. Machariel doing missions is bad, tho. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Reinala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 10:33:00 - [7] Guristas Special: 8x1400, 2xCruise/Siege LSB, 3xHardeners, Tracking Computer 4xPDS, 3xGyro... Yeah, many iskies in that...
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 10:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Reinala Guristas Special: 8x1400, 2xCruise/Siege LSB, 3xHardeners, Tracking Computer 4xPDS, 3xGyro... Yeah, many iskies in that... Yes, You solo every level 4 missions with that. I eat shoes and i love to put dressing on them like i do with pizza. Infact, I like to run around in my imaginary car that gets me around town without being seen. Psst, it has a cloak on! Really, you don't. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Mike Yagon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 10:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Reinala Guristas Special: 8x1400, 2xCruise/Siege LSB, 3xHardeners, Tracking Computer 4xPDS, 3xGyro... Yeah, many iskies in that... WTB Mach with 10 high slots. XL Gist X-Type Shield Booster and Shield Amp are great on a Machariel too. Can't wait to see those on that Maelstrom though!
Reinala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 10:58:00 - [10] Edited by: Reinala on 28/07/2006 10:58:44 Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Yes, You solo every level 4 missions with that. I eat shoes and i love to put dressing on them like i do with pizza. Infact, I like to run around in my imaginary car that gets me around town without being seen. Psst, it has a cloak on! Really, you don't. And? Originally by: Mike Yagon WTB Mach with 10 high slots. XL Gist X-Type Shield Booster and Shield Amp are great on a Machariel too. Can't wait to see those on that Maelstrom though! Blah... it's just Maelstorm drama already got that far on me... Dosn't it trouble to fit XL+Amp with full rack of weapons and 3+Gyro?
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Originally by: Anastasia Romanov Can someone tell me a good machariel setup for level 4 missions please Regards Anastasia It's not easy to do Level 4 missions in a machariel without investing billions, and it's not healthy for you because you might die from just me sending you hatemails during your missions for using it like that. Christ you got in quick! TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Reinala Edited by: Reinala on 28/07/2006 10:58:44 Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Yes, You solo every level 4 missions with that. I eat shoes and i love to put dressing on them like i do with pizza. Infact, I like to run around in my imaginary car that gets me around town without being seen. Psst, it has a cloak on! Really, you don't. And? Originally by: Mike Yagon WTB Mach with 10 high slots. XL Gist X-Type Shield Booster and Shield Amp are great on a Machariel too. Can't wait to see those on that Maelstrom though! Blah... it's just Maelstorm drama already got that far on me... Dosn't it trouble to fit XL+Amp with full rack of weapons and 3+Gyro? And? Sorry but this whole post, you bassicly shown you have no clue what you're talking about.. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:05:00 - [13] 4x 1200, 4x cruise 5x cap2 1x large rep 2, 2x2 active hardener 2 (base on mission which type), 2x energized nano 2 (or 1x nano 1x dmg control) 5 med and 5 small drones in bay
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Reiisha 4x 1200, 4x cruise 5x cap2 1x large rep 2, 2x2 active hardener 2 (base on mission which type), 2x energized nano 2 (or 1x nano 1x dmg control) 5 med and 5 small drones in bay Are you posting this just to get some punishment? You're not exactly getting better... KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Brisi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Originally by: Anastasia Romanov Can someone tell me a good machariel setup for level 4 missions please Regards Anastasia It's not easy to do Level 4 missions in a machariel without investing billions, and it's not healthy for you because you might die from just me sending you hatemails during your missions for using it like that. Christ you got in quick! I do believe that KR has a macro-search running 24/7, searching the 'Ships & Modules' forums for threads with a title that contians 'Machariel' and 'Setup'. I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Brisi Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Originally by: Anastasia Romanov Can someone tell me a good machariel setup for level 4 missions please Regards Anastasia It's not easy to do Level 4 missions in a machariel without investing billions, and it's not healthy for you because you might die from just me sending you hatemails during your missions for using it like that. Christ you got in quick! I do believe that KR has a macro-search running 24/7, searching the 'Ships & Modules' forums for threads with a title that contians 'Machariel' and 'Setup'. If that was the case, i bet i'd need to get a life right? KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Brisi Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Originally by: Anastasia Romanov Can someone tell me a good machariel setup for level 4 missions please Regards Anastasia It's not easy to do Level 4 missions in a machariel without investing billions, and it's not healthy for you because you might die from just me sending you hatemails during your missions for using it like that. Christ you got in quick! I do believe that KR has a macro-search running 24/7, searching the 'Ships & Modules' forums for threads with a title that contians 'Machariel' and 'Setup'. he also has a bot to auto-troll it, without providing a setup of his own
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:19:00 - [18] Pff nothing wrong with running missions in a Mach. Everything wrong with buying one without a fkn clue how to set it up though. And now we got two clueless setups in one thread... --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Samirol Originally by: Brisi Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Originally by: Anastasia Romanov Can someone tell me a good machariel setup for level 4 missions please Regards Anastasia It's not easy to do Level 4 missions in a machariel without investing billions, and it's not healthy for you because you might die from just me sending you hatemails during your missions for using it like that. Christ you got in quick! I do believe that KR has a macro-search running 24/7, searching the 'Ships & Modules' forums for threads with a title that contians 'Machariel' and 'Setup'. he also has a bot to auto-troll it, without providing a setup of his own Of my own? Do i run missions with a Machariel? Would i even think about doing that? No. Shesh, Why would i come up with a setup if i think it's such a stupid thing to use it for that purpose. Hey, 10 points for being original and not using a Raven, but you're better off with one. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
La Pounania Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:22:00 - [20] 6x dual 650mm autocannon II, 1x faction smartbom, 1x Large nos 1x faction AB, 3x Cap recharger II, 1x Heavy cap booster 2x large armor rep II, 3x active hardner(npc you are fighting)1x Energized adaptive II you can keep the reps + smartbom + ab running for ever :) did about every mission in this and it worked like a charm
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:25:00 - [21] Originally by: La Pounania you can keep the reps + smartbom + ab running for ever :) did about every mission in this and it worked like a charm 2 Reps, Smartbomb, AB. False statement, you can't. Infact, you can't even run one reps forever. Now, Autocannons, cap booster in cargo. There's no way you'll even get thru half the missions with the **** poor damage + low ammo capacity. Oh, don't worry. I don't question that you can do missions with it, it's a lovely ship. Running it all forever? Ha ha ha. yes. Sure. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Anastasia Romanov	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:26:00 - [22] I am glad i decided to try use the forum, that really helped alot hehehe I guess some of u are a bit borred, sins u continuosly reply on nothing.. But dont worry the server will be up shortly again Regards Anastasia
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski It's not easy to do Level 4 missions in a machariel without investing billions, and it's not healthy for you because you might die from just me sending you hatemails during your missions for using it like that. Damn. Does that mean I'm doing something wrong by running level 4 missions in a Mach fitted only with T2 gear? Should I buy some faction mods to up my expenditure and comply with the "must invest billions" rule? I would post a setup, but it seems like this thread is a magnet for negativity and I'd hate to spoil that.
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Emily Spankratchet Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski It's not easy to do Level 4 missions in a machariel without investing billions, and it's not healthy for you because you might die from just me sending you hatemails during your missions for using it like that. Damn. Does that mean I'm doing something wrong by running level 4 missions in a Mach fitted only with T2 gear? Should I buy some faction mods to up my expenditure and comply with the "must invest billions" rule? I would post a setup, but it seems like this thread is a magnet for negativity and I'd hate to spoil that. You don't run level 4 missions to make the most isk per hour then, if you think you can effectivly do them with a machariel with only T2 modules. Notice the Word "Easy", make sure you also look it up the dictionary if you're unaware of the meaning of it. About posting your setup? Hey, You must be kidding me if you think i can't come up with your exact setup in under 1 minute without even thinking it all out. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Soyemia Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:32:00 - [25] Its funny when u say she buys isk. How do you know that? NO you dont, for PvP mach is very bad, to expensive, its best for missions and stuff like that, s you dont lose em to much. GL finding setup . I cant help, never owned one. Proud member of fix. Hated on finnish channel.
Myal Terego PAX Interstellar Services Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:34:00 - [26] unfortunately, its just kinda pointless unless you want to struggle and fly a mach for fun, get yourself a well setup raven or better since you spending isk a caldari navy raven, jam it with 4 torps 3 cruise, and faction tank, with bcu and pduII in lows, and voila until its nerfed the solo mission pwnmobile.
Thalera Saldana Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:34:00 - [27] I fail to see why Kilrock/Andrea feels the need to troll every thread about Machariel setups while providing nothing useful at all I bought a Mach before I knew how to fly one (still don't really tbh) as it was one of my goals when I started the game, just liked the look of the ship when I first saw it and was something to work towards. I normally mission in a phoon, but like to take the Mach out occasionally as I try to work out how best to fit/use it. Did Vengence last night in the phoon, but couldn't break the last rats tank so had to dock to re-fit, swapped into the Mach instead and killed his tank in under 2 mins. Not viable for all missions, sure but fun and useful in some. Anyway I am currently using: High 6 x AC 800, 2 x hvy nos Mid 1 x AB, 1 x web, 3 x Cap recharger Low 2 x rep, 3 x active hardener, 1 x dmg control, 1 x gyro Flame away, I'm sure I'll improve/change it as I get more practive with the ship. Thal
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Soyemia for PvP mach is very bad, to expensive, its best for missions and stuff like that, s you dont lose em to much. You sir, Have won the Friday Clueless poster award. The machariel is the Cheapest Faction battleship in-game, It has several advantage over the tempest that makes it well worth the money for some, and alot of people don't EVEN have to buy it and just go around with normal T2 tempest cookie cutter fittings. It's worth the investment and don't you ever say it's better for missions than PVP. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Kilael Jaase Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Kilael Jaase on 28/07/2006 11:41:38 Edited by: Kilael Jaase on 28/07/2006 11:41:18 Do you troll every thread, Andrea, or just the ones that show people with better ships than you? Get a grip, this is a game, this isn't life, or, then again in your case it might well be.
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:40:00 - [30] Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 28/07/2006 11:42:55 Originally by: Kilael Jaase Do you troll every thread, Andrea, or just the ones that show people with better ships than you? Get a grip, this is a gamethis is a game, this isn't life, or, then again in your case it might well be. What? - And, Shove that "It's a game statement" where it makes you happy because i am 100% aware of it. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Reinala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:47:00 - [31] Edited by: Reinala on 28/07/2006 11:52:42 double post
Reinala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski And? Sorry but this whole post, you bassicly shown you have no clue what you're talking about.. Well, now that you talked about it... I finally understood how . It's so easy... No "thanks" though, it seems to me you don't need that .
LeviUK Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:53:00 - [33] Edited by: LeviUK on 28/07/2006 11:52:56 This thread made me laugh lots, thanks Andrea. I've always flown caldari and amarr ships but having read this thread, I'm sorely tempted to go train minnie/proj buy a Mach just so I can post in this form and get some Andrea-loving. hirr today, gone tomorrow
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:55:00 - [34] Originally by: LeviUK Edited by: LeviUK on 28/07/2006 11:52:56 This thread made me laugh lots, thanks Andrea. I've always flown caldari and amarr ships but having read this thread, I'm sorely tempted to go train minnie/proj buy a Mach just so I can post in this form and get some Andrea-loving. No problem and please do, Nothing more pleasing than the moaning of someone going all crazy about how they lost their machariel while using 4 guns and 4 missiles. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
chris lares	Posted - 2006.07.28 12:03:00 - [35] OMG andrea i thought someone just said they got better ships then u plz say im dreaming >.< andrea has the best ships in game the best setups u should listen to him/her cos he knows the game through and through!
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 12:05:00 - [36] Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 28/07/2006 12:04:51 Originally by: chris lares OMG andrea i thought someone just said they got better ships then u plz say im dreaming >.< andrea has the best ships in game the best setups u should listen to him/her cos he knows the game through and through! Believe it or not, I got Chris on msn, i have a key binded to open my MSN, open a conversation with him and automaticly post the links of the topic which i need him to kiss my ass extremely well in it. I didn't mean to press it this time tho. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
chris lares	Posted - 2006.07.28 12:17:00 - [37] Andrea loves me really and i know these setups i have been hearing are ermm rubbish and il help by posting my own lil setup :) just for u if anyone asks :)
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 12:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Notice the Word "Easy", make sure you also look it up the dictionary if you're unaware of the meaning of it. I noticed it. "Easy" missions, for me, are those where you warp in, shoot the little red things until they pop, and then go home. I must admit, however, that I don't just go for easy. I quite like fun too. Otherwise I'd probably be in a raven. Quote: About posting your setup? Hey, You must be kidding me if you think i can't come up with your exact setup in under 1 minute without even thinking it all out. I'm sure you can, for at least one of my setups. Quite often, though, people post in threads for the benefit of the OP. Rather than for the benefit of the trolls. Although by posting this I'm proving myself wrong...
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 12:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Emily Spankratchet Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Notice the Word "Easy", make sure you also look it up the dictionary if you're unaware of the meaning of it. I noticed it. "Easy" missions, for me, are those where you warp in, shoot the little red things until they pop, and then go home. I must admit, however, that I don't just go for easy. I quite like fun too. Otherwise I'd probably be in a raven. Quote: About posting your setup? Hey, You must be kidding me if you think i can't come up with your exact setup in under 1 minute without even thinking it all out. I'm sure you can, for at least one of my setups. Quite often, though, people post in threads for the benefit of the OP. Rather than for the benefit of the trolls. Although by posting this I'm proving myself wrong... Oh geez, I've seen it all. A seasoned mission runner who actually enjoy doing them for the fun and not the ISK. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 12:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Oh geez, I've seen it all. A seasoned mission runner who actually enjoy doing them for the fun and not the ISK. Maybe. Or maybe someone who, when forced to run missions to make ISK, would rather it was slightly fun than as boring as mining.
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 12:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Emily Spankratchet Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 28/07/2006 12:46:45 Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Oh geez, I've seen it all. A seasoned mission runner who actually enjoy doing them for the fun and not the ISK. Maybe. Or maybe someone who, when forced to run missions to make ISK, would rather it was slightly fun than as boring as mining. Edit: Still, at least we've managed to avoid giving any helpful hints on Machariel setups. Which is the main point. Well, There's a difference between me and you. You're actually able to give out help since you use it for missions. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Zetaa Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 13:57:00 - [42] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski There will always be people like me going in and say "you shouldn't fly them if you don't know how to fit it out", I do it especially for this ship, since it's an horror to see it used like crap and blown up because you're too idiotic to give it what it deserves. But isn't this the point of this thread? To post and discuss various layouts for this ship? Give us a layout, Andrea, since you seem to be decent at it. Wish folks would just offer what the OP asked for, or not reply at all, instead of saying, "Fly this ship instead", "noob!" and "you suck". ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Anastasia Romanov	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:56:00 - [43] Thanks Zetaa
Deviana Sevidon Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:25:00 - [44] Despite having a good chance to be flamed to Death for just posting, I will do it anyways. High: 6xDual 650mm, 2x Heavy NOS Med: 100MN MWD, 1 Tracking Computer 2xWebbifier, Heavy Cap Booster Low: Large Armor Repairer, Medium Armor Repairer, 2x Hardener, Damage Control, 2x Gyrostabs.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Despite having a good chance to be flamed to Death for just posting, I will do it anyways. High: 6xDual 650mm, 2x Heavy NOS Med: 100MN MWD, 1 Tracking Computer 2xWebbifier, Heavy Cap Booster Low: Large Armor Repairer, Medium Armor Repairer, 2x Hardener, Damage Control, 2x Gyrostabs. Well if you ask for it... Can't use MWD in deadspace, so put in 100mn AB-II instead. One Fleeting webber is enough for all Inties xcept Spider Drones, so maybe replace one webber with a painter to help both your guns and your drones. The rest actually looks not so bad. Still people buying a Mach should have enough brain matter to come up with that themselves. A shame they don't. Makes you wonder where that money comes from... --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Zetaa Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Leandro Salazar A shame they don't. Makes you wonder where that money comes from... Corp friends? Weeks of mining? Asking nicely? (you can get far with just a smile and a wink... well, if you're female anways) ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Anastasia Romanov	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:24:00 - [47] Well well well Mr Leandro u can be nice on your ovn a bit wired way... but its a start thanks for the input m8 And yes i am just a stupid girl, but with good guys like u, i am sure i will learn it some day. Regards Anastasia
Serenity Frye Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:15:00 - [48] o dear Andrea 4TW your too funny xD
Raider Zero Minmatar Federation	Posted - 2006.08.14 18:08:00 - [49] Edited by: Raider Zero on 14/08/2006 18:13:21 Since I've never tasted the flames of KR yet, I'll contribute and take some heat. My setup is pretty easy on the fitting skills, which is part of the reason that I'll post it-it will change as I fill in some gaps in my training. Highs- 6x1200mm Scouts, 2xBest Heavies you can get Mids-CR II's Lows-Armor tank of choice, 2-3 Gyros mixed in Drones-5x mission-specific With this setup you can pretty easily walk through L4's. It's not like the Raven where you just park and shoot, but why would you want to do that with a ship that has good speed and agility anyway? If you need to have dual LAR II's running full-time, you have a strategy issue that a setup won't fix. The reason for no AC setup: ammo cost and need to have a much better tank to fight in close. The time spent flying all over the place to get into AC range with good damage < being able to easily switch targets without wasting time imo. Arty cost significantly less to fire over time as well. But, if you're going for ISK/hr., the Raven is probably the best-that's why every noob and their brother has them and why you'll find 10 parked outside of nearly every mission hub.
xeom Obsidian Sins	Posted - 2006.08.14 18:16:00 - [50] wouldnt it be better to get a fleet tempest? sence its better at shield tanking(6 slots i think). and just fill the lows with PDS and gyros. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? \| Join[..SIN]
KilROCK Minmatar Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.14 18:22:00 - [51] Edited by: KilROCK on 14/08/2006 18:21:50 Quote: Since I've never tasted the flames of KR yet, I'll contribute and take some heat. I don't care how you use it. 1200mm, are overall better for missions. Almost the same DPS, but a larger clip, better tracking etc.. Just get T2 guns for the love of $#24@$21!! SMACKING IN A TOPIC NEAR YOU / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Raider Zero Minmatar Federation	Posted - 2006.08.14 19:23:00 - [52] Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 14/08/2006 18:21:50 Quote: Since I've never tasted the flames of KR yet, I'll contribute and take some heat. I don't care how you use it. 1200mm, are overall better for missions. Almost the same DPS, but a larger clip, better tracking etc.. Just get T2 guns for the love of $#24@$21!! Holy moly- my setup didn't get ripped up and KR contributed a positive note! KilROCK-T2 guns are certainly in my future, sir. Fly safe! (or fly dangerously if that suits your fancy)
Gort Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.14 19:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 28/07/2006 11:42:55 Originally by: Kilael Jaase Do you troll every thread, Andrea, or just the ones that show people with better ships than you? Get a grip, this is a gamethis is a game, this isn't life, or, then again in your case it might well be. What? - And, Shove that "It's a game statement" where it makes you happy because i am 100% aware of it. I think not. It more likely appears to all the world you are still trying to figure out how to get out of Junior High School, among other things. Low-tech sig: "When in doubt, empty the magazine."
KilROCK Minmatar Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.14 20:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Gort Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 28/07/2006 11:42:55 Originally by: Kilael Jaase Do you troll every thread, Andrea, or just the ones that show people with better ships than you? Get a grip, this is a gamethis is a game, this isn't life, or, then again in your case it might well be. What? - And, Shove that "It's a game statement" where it makes you happy because i am 100% aware of it. I think not. It more likely appears to all the world you are still trying to figure out how to get out of Junior High School, among other things. Been there, done that. Next SMACKING IN A TOPIC NEAR YOU / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Croak Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.18 07:24:00 - [55] It's amazing what an AC/armor tanked Mach can do in L4's with a good faction AB, velocity and Zor hardwires, and a Snake set. 900+ m/s in deadspace sure do make your AC's and tank mo' effective, and is a lot of fun too. ;)
Bluestealth Minmatar Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.18 08:59:00 - [56] Ewww using it for missions.... My old setup... 6 x 650mm Repeating Artillery II 2 x True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner(Microwarpdrive) 2 x Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Warp Disruptor True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Internal Force Field Array 2 x Domination Gyrostabilizer 5 x Valkarie II 5 x Warrior II if I was going to use it for missions... wait I wouldnt thats what a tempest is for.
SonShadowCat PINK TACO TORPERS	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:36:00 - [57] If I can do lvl 4 in my tempest with only T1/T2 items then you can SURELY do lvl 4 in a machariel. Actually, in 2 days I can fly my machariel so i'll have first hand experience. Regardless, this is my tempest setup( only difference from mach will be an extra T2 gyro): 6 dual 650mm 2 heavy nos 1 T2 AB 4 T2 cap rechargers 2 large armor rep 3 hardners 2 T2 gyros It works fine in most mish( never tried vengeance or extra, still don't trust myself).
Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2006.08.18 10:05:00 - [58] tempted to buy that mach now so i can tell you to stfu oh i cant use t2 and 4/4 oh i forgot, you can, been there, seen it done, makes lots of money and does very well. takes a deep breath soon as my corpie wakes up i will post the set up for you Ana :) What makes a man? Is it the woman in his arms? Just 'cause she has big ***** Or is the way He fights everyday? No, it's probably the *****
Bluestealth Minmatar Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.18 10:27:00 - [59] Edited by: Bluestealth on 18/08/2006 10:28:52 Originally by: SonShadowCat If I can do lvl 4 in my tempest with only T1/T2 items then you can SURELY do lvl 4 in a machariel. Actually, in 2 days I can fly my machariel so i'll have first hand experience. Regardless, this is my tempest setup( only difference from mach will be an extra T2 gyro): 6 dual 650mm 2 heavy nos 1 T2 AB 4 T2 cap rechargers 2 large armor rep 3 hardners 2 T2 gyros It works fine in most mish( never tried vengeance or extra, still don't trust myself). My Tempest setup for lvl 4s was 6x 800mm Autocannon II 2x 'arbalest' cruise launchers 100mn AB II Fleeting Webber 3x Cap Recharger IIs Large Armor Rep II 3-4 tech 2 hardeners 1-2 gyro IIs 5 Medium, 5 light drones There is no mission this setup cant complete, you do have to use some brain for some missions though.
Mo Moneh	Posted - 2006.11.14 02:01:00 - [60] Critique me on the following setup: Highs: -2 large 'diminishing' nosferatus -6 T2 800mm Repeating Artillery Meds: 1 T2 100mn AB 1 90% Webber 1 Optical Tracking Computer OR Target Painter OR 2nd 90% Webber 2 T2 Cap Recharger Lows: -1 LAR II -1 MAR II -3 Rat Specific T2 Hardeners -2 Cap Power Relay Drones: -1 Heavy Armor Repair Drone -4 Medium Armor Repair Drones Repair Drones + MAR II > LAR II (by about 10 dps) With nos going, this setup will run all day for me (assuming I turn the AB off once I'm in range). My Primary concern obviously being that I am able to hit orbiting frigates w/ help from the tracking enhancer(s) and webber(s). Im not too familiar with projectile turrets (I'm gallente and been using blasters for up close and personal till now). Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Particularly as to what that second med slot support item should be.. Im not sure which of those 3 options would help more (2nd webber, tracking computer, or target painter).. The tracking computer is certainly tempting because it helps my max range a bit too.
Sable Moran Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:31:00 - [61] Edited by: Sable Moran on 14/11/2006 14:33:12 Originally by: Mo Moneh Critique me on the following setup: Highs: -2 large 'diminishing' nosferatus -6 T2 800mm Repeating Artillery Meds: 1 T2 100mn AB 1 90% Webber 1 Optical Tracking Computer OR Target Painter OR 2nd 90% Webber 2 T2 Cap Recharger Lows: -1 LAR II -1 MAR II -3 Rat Specific T2 Hardeners -2 Cap Power Relay Drones: -1 Heavy Armor Repair Drone -4 Medium Armor Repair Drones Repair Drones + MAR II > LAR II (by about 10 dps) Is this for PvE or PvP? Either way you have issues with that setup. For PvE. Ditch the armor repper drones, you can't target yourself so you can't repair yourself with drones. Replace them with a set of light and medium scout drones. Now you're able to kill those NPC interceptors. The mid slot item you want to use with the 800mm AC's is the tracking computer. An alternative for that is to down grade to dula 650mm AC's and put in something else on midslots, cap recharger maybe. Drop the MAR, replace it with a DC. Replace one CPR with a gyro. Especially so if you use the 'downgrade to 650mm' option. EDIT: Forgot PvP. Use it like a beefed up Tempest. ----- Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene 5, Moon 4, Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Ammo at affordable prices.
DarkElf Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:50:00 - [62] Originally by: Soyemia Its funny when u say she buys isk. How do you know that? NO you dont, for PvP mach is very bad, to expensive, its best for missions and stuff like that, s you dont lose em to much. GL finding setup . I cant help, never owned one. Clueless. for pvp the mach is very bad? sooo wrong. it's a very cheap faction ship and for many ppl losing that is an acceptable risk for the fun u can have. considering with a gist x mwd u get about 2300m/s i think it was with no implants or other speed mod it's a great ship for pvp. think - post DE
Mo Moneh	Posted - 2006.11.14 15:43:00 - [63] Edited by: Mo Moneh on 14/11/2006 16:07:01 Edited by: Mo Moneh on 14/11/2006 15:51:34 Originally by: Sable Moran Edited by: Sable Moran on 14/11/2006 14:33:12 Originally by: Mo Moneh Critique me on the following setup: Highs: -2 large 'diminishing' nosferatus -6 T2 800mm Repeating Artillery Meds: 1 T2 100mn AB 1 90% Webber 1 Optical Tracking Computer OR Target Painter OR 2nd 90% Webber 2 T2 Cap Recharger Lows: -1 LAR II -1 MAR II -3 Rat Specific T2 Hardeners -2 Cap Power Relay Drones: -1 Heavy Armor Repair Drone -4 Medium Armor Repair Drones Repair Drones + MAR II > LAR II (by about 10 dps) Is this for PvE or PvP? Either way you have issues with that setup. For PvE. Ditch the armor repper drones, you can't target yourself so you can't repair yourself with drones. Replace them with a set of light and medium scout drones. Now you're able to kill those NPC interceptors. The mid slot item you want to use with the 800mm AC's is the tracking computer. An alternative for that is to down grade to dula 650mm AC's and put in something else on midslots, cap recharger maybe. Drop the MAR, replace it with a DC. Replace one CPR with a gyro. Especially so if you use the 'downgrade to 650mm' option. EDIT: Forgot PvP. Use it like a beefed up Tempest. PVE, of course.. Bahh.. Not being able to target self with drones completely ruins it... I still need to be able to kill frigates on those missions where drones agro the whole room on you.. ... And one LAR isn't nearly enough to tank a lot of the low sec lvl 4 missions.. I'll have to rethink this... Edit: And as far as damage controls go, I don't understand why one would want to use these.. Seems to me that another mission specific active hardener would bring much more benefit than 2-5% more to all armor resistances. Edit 2: Ok, guess my setup is turning more cookie cutter now (sigh) Highs: 2 diminishing nos 6 dual 650's T2 Meds: 100mn AB 4 Cap Recharger T2s Lows: LAR II MAR II 3 mission specific hardeners CPR Gyro 7 tech 2 medium drones
Nervar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.11.14 16:02:00 - [64] ah come on, everyone knows that the machariel is a mining ship. no other bs can compare to the mach when it comes to mining Recruitment post
Lexor SLice Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 16:08:00 - [65] well, Kil seems to have this one pretty much covered....but as someone else who's been flying the ship since it was pretty much released, maybe i can help as well. pve 6x 1200 II 2x DG cruise 1x pith B-type large booster or estamels 1x DG boost amp 3x shield hardeners of choice (always gist for me, and DG invuls) 4x pdu II 3x domi gyro pvp is where this ship REALLY shines imo... 6x dual 650 II 2x dark blood heavy nos 1x gist X type 100mn MWD 1x Taire's injector 1x Domi web 1x domi disruptor 1x Shadow serp sensor booster or DG multispec. 1x Core X large rep 3x Core x Hardeners ( kin, therm, exp) 1x Corpum A-type Adaptive 2x Mizuro's Gyro's. 5x medium ECM drones and 5x warrior II's in bay. ____________________________________________
Mo Moneh	Posted - 2006.11.14 16:26:00 - [66] Originally by: Lexor SLice well, Kil seems to have this one pretty much covered....but as someone else who's been flying the ship since it was pretty much released, maybe i can help as well. pve 6x 1200 II 2x DG cruise 1x pith B-type large booster or estamels 1x DG boost amp 3x shield hardeners of choice (always gist for me, and DG invuls) 4x pdu II 3x domi gyro pvp is where this ship REALLY shines imo... 6x dual 650 II 2x dark blood heavy nos 1x gist X type 100mn MWD 1x Taire's injector 1x Domi web 1x domi disruptor 1x Shadow serp sensor booster or DG multispec. 1x Core X large rep 3x Core x Hardeners ( kin, therm, exp) 1x Corpum A-type Adaptive 2x Mizuro's Gyro's. 5x medium ECM drones and 5x warrior II's in bay. That's awful expensive for a PVP setup... But if you can afford it... As for the PVE one... Are you sure 1200's are wise? Considering that most lvl 4s these days drop you right on top of the enemy in deadspace... I find that 75% of the time I am dropped under 40km from my targets.. And if I'd be arsed if I have to fly 50-100km out just to be able to start hitting them.. Just assume fly a raven...
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2006.11.14 17:34:00 - [67] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Originally by: Anastasia Romanov Can someone tell me a good machariel setup for level 4 missions please Regards Anastasia It's not easy to do Level 4 missions in a machariel without investing billions, and it's not healthy for you because you might die from just me sending you hatemails during your missions for using it like that. That's simply not true. Here is a cheap setup that has never failed me, I hardly ever need to touch the shield booster: 6 x 1200mm prototypes 2 x XR-3200 100MN AB II Large Shield Booster II 3 T1 hardeners (mission-dependent) 3 x Gyrostabilizer II 1 named Damage Control 2 x PDU T1 1 x WCS (yep! it's a bloody expensive Machariel after all) 5 x medium, 5 x light mission-dependent combat drones How to use: - kite enemies with/without AB and keep them near optimal - put your drones on the webbing rats/drones first - shoot battlecruisers, then cruisers, then battleships. Let drones eat frigs in the mean time. Most Angel missions (including Venegance, Extravaganza) and all drone missions work basically without active shield boosting. Zazmatazz and Silence the Informant are still tricky though and need some attention.
FraXy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.14 17:47:00 - [68] I used to rat in my Machariel in Angel space (yes i was a carebear). 6x 800 II 2x Whatever u fancy (think i used 2 heavy nos in-case getting jumped which won`t happen, but never know) Gist B-Type 100mn AB Gist C-Type XLarge Shield Booster Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amp 2x Invulnerability Field II Internal Force Field Array I 3x Domination Gyrostabilizers 3x Warp Core Stabs (yeah yeah) Dronebay: 3x Berserker SW-900 (Webber Drones) Those webber drones slowed down the battleships, cruisers and frigs so good that i could hit them with ease and very, very hard. Webber drones would be a good tactic for missions with -30%^3 webbing or use this multiplier (velocity * 0.343 = end velocity on target).
Mr fRostiE Minmatar Love and Rockets	Posted - 2007.03.06 09:17:00 - [69] PVE - my mach setup is: High 6 x 1400mm scouts 2 x arb heavy launchers mid Gist X Type XL Shield Booster Gist X Type shield boost amplifier brynns modifies sensor booster Dread Guristas Invulnerability shield Shadow Serp Tracking computer thing low named damage control 1 tracker II's 2 gyro II's 1 CPU thing 2 Power diagnostic unit II's you can all shout at me now, because im using a ship with 7 lows for shield tanking, etc etc.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.06 10:43:00 - [70] What is a good pvp setup involving an armor tank..i was considering not using a MWD but a faction AB instead (to get rid of sig and cap penalties) and maybe fit a single nanofiber II to augment speed a tad...is it still possible to tank decently then? Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 11:42:00 - [71] lol@necro. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:47:00 - [72] Actually, this thread is linked from the stickied index. I'd open a new one, but then someone would have to edit the sticky. I'm currently pondering what Rigs I want to sink into my Chimera-sized Angel (harhar!). So here's my observations so far: In Revelations Machs now have a mosntrous tank with plenty of Cap. Tank is never really the question in my missions so far. If I put 3x Cap Recharger II in Med I can run 2x Large AR II + 3x active Hardener II for a very long time. With 2x Heavy NOS in High there's enough left for the occasional Afterburner burst. Since I'm still working on Large Gunnery, my damage output is a bit lacking. That's kinda suggestive to use projectile collision rigs (200), but what to do with the remaining 150? More agility? Even more tracking? Then I've still got a passive shield tank idea pending. Someone posted a 24k shield HP + 180s recharge time setup over in Pottsey's thread, which would sort of free up low slots for damage mods. Coming from a Typhoon with focus on drone and missile damage, my first setups completely ignored the boni: High: 2x Dual 650mm Repeating ACs, 2x Heavy NOS, 4x Cruise Missile Launchers Med: 3x Cap Recharger, 1x 100MN AB, 1x Target Painter Low: 2x Large AR, 1x Damage Control, 4x Hardeners (sometimes I used 2x EANM II, 2x Active, which is noobish I guess). Drones: 5x Small 5x Med (Use T2 or better where available) This setup tanks a lot better than the Typhoon and it's faster, but with my skills the phoon's 5x Heavy Drones pwn a lot harder most notably in Vengeance and Mordus Headhunter. Couldn't figure what Rigs to use at all - that still goes for Typhoon. Armor rigs reduce speed, speed rigs reduce armor ... nice .. NOT! So next idea is focused on Guns: 6x 1400mms, 2x Cruise Missiles 2x Cap Recharger, 1x Webifier, 1x 100MN AB + another Webifier or Target Painter 2x Large AR, 1x Damage Control, 3x Active Hardener, 1x Cap Power Relay Drones: 3x Heavy I figure since I want more damage, and I can assist with Webifiers and/or Target Painter, heavy drones are okay here since I've still got enough Anti-Interceptor-Defence left. This has been proven by the way, it's not just theory. Heavy Drones pwn even interceptors hard if they can't get away. This goes nicely with the ship bonuses, and therefore probably benefits from more damage rigs. Alternate idea, free up more low slots by adding a Cap rig and removing CPR and the third hardener (possibly also the Damage Control: 10k hull is plenty of buffer) and put Gyrostabs in low. And now for something that's not verified yet: High: 6x 1400mms, 2x Cruise Missile Launcher Med: 1x 100MN AB, 3x Large Shield Extender, 1x active Hardener Low: 4x Power Diagnostics, 1x Damage Control, 2x Gyrostabs or Tracking Enhancers Drones: 5x Medium 5x Small I'll need to use small drones again for lack of Webifier and Target Painter, and I could probably replace a few Power Diagnostics with Shield Power Relays, but due to the AB I can't kill my Cap entirely. If I wanted to go without AB at all, I'd go for one more Large Extender and all Shield Power Relays. Note, the shield tank Machs will have a major problem with drone aggro missions like World's Collide. Huh. So what Rigs do you folks use for your Machs? Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:44:00 - [73] Mach is a PvP ship tbh If you want to use it in missions learn how to fly a tempest first. Then learn how to fly a turbo tempest with a tracking bonus and an extra low. Raven will serve your purpose better, especially if you need to come onto the forums asknig how to setup a mach. ----- Originally by: wrong on so many levels you couldn't be more wrong if you were tuxford
Mr fRostiE Minmatar Love and Rockets	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:41:00 - [74] Originally by: Smagd So what Rigs do you folks use for your Machs? i use 3 capacitor control circuit 1's yes the mach is more a PVP ship but i like using it for missions, since im not willing to risk 2.5-3bill setup on PVP... since i do use it for missions im quite happy to share my setup with others who want to do the same
zoturi Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:06:00 - [75] What Id use: Machariel Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Stasis Webifier Dark Blood Warp Disruptor Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster Target Painter II Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Rigs : Ancillary Current Router I \ Semiconductor Memory Cell I \ Anti-Explosive Pump I \ 11682 shield, 14.6/s, E/T/K/Ex=12/29/47/64 14542 armor, E/T/K/Ex=88/74/70/75 5727.5390625 cap, +15.19/s, -130.399/s 2018.0 m/s
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 22:34:00 - [76] I'm not going to give a full setup, cause I don't give away setups I use. But the rigs on it are 2x Projectie Ambit Extension (falloff rigs) 1x Auxillary Nano Pump (armour rep rigs) ----- Originally by: wrong on so many levels you couldn't be more wrong if you were tuxford
Kai Jyokoroi The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.06 23:36:00 - [77] Originally by: Gort Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 28/07/2006 11:42:55 Originally by: Kilael Jaase Do you troll every thread, Andrea, or just the ones that show people with better ships than you? Get a grip, this is a gamethis is a game, this isn't life, or, then again in your case it might well be. What? - And, Shove that "It's a game statement" where it makes you happy because i am 100% aware of it. I think not. It more likely appears to all the world you are still trying to figure out how to get out of Junior High School, among other things. HI GORT! waves I'm in a Kilrock machariel thread! (They're like NOS threads except far, far lamer) _____________ WE ARE THE COLLECTIVE. RESISTANCE IS VOLTAGE OVER CURRENT.
Spenz Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:54:00 - [78] Uber mach setup 2 x civilian gatling pulse 2 x civilian electron blasters 2 x civilian autocannons 2 x standard launchers (for the intys) 5 x civilian shield boosters 7 x civilian armor reppers 15 civilian mining drones Its perfect because you have an uber shield AND armor tank, your weapons do all damage types at the same time (the standard launchers are for intys), and if you find asteroids in the mission you can pop out the mining drones and start mining. ITS UBER WIN!!!1 If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Enduros	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:25:00 - [79] I'm a casual mission runner and I though something like this would be cool to fly in: 6x 1200mm arty 1x nos 1x faction/officer smartbomb 1x AB 1x web 1x tracking comp 1x target painter 1x sensor booster 1x mar 4x hardeners 2x gyros 2x cap rigs 1x grid rig (yea I know, but only way to fit nos and repper) So probably gonna need to toss something from meds for a cap recharger or 2 cause with all that the repper gonna go for 4 minutes or less. Done all missions in my domi just sitting there afking with a med repper. Given mach's speed and agility and the sig radius it will probably not even get to armor. As I said I'm a casual mission runner not looking for isk/hour but rather the coolness/fun factor. Besides if things go wrong I can bring in my alt to remote rep me.
R3con Minmatar Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.27 17:38:00 - [80] Edited by: R3con on 27/05/2007 17:38:04 I find this set up handles lvl 4 missions no problem. Please do not flame I just use this and it suits me fine. high 5 x 1400 Tech 2 1 x 720 tech 2 1 x named H launcher or tech 2 1 x named assault launcher or tech 2 (last 3 weps are for cruisers + frigs) mid 4 x cap chargers tech 2 1 x tracking comp low 2 x gyro stab tech 2 1 x large armour rep tech 2 1 x power diag tech 2 3 x armour hardeners, Rigs trimark armour pump projectile burst aerator + one of your choice.
Talasan Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:08:00 - [81] Edited by: Talasan on 27/05/2007 19:06:45 Originally by: R3con Edited by: R3con on 27/05/2007 17:38:04 I find this set up handles lvl 4 missions no problem. Please do not flame I just use this and it suits me fine. high 5 x 1400 Tech 2 1 x 720 tech 2 1 x named H launcher or tech 2 1 x named assault launcher or tech 2 (last 3 weps are for cruisers + frigs) mid 4 x cap chargers tech 2 1 x tracking comp low 2 x gyro stab tech 2 1 x large armour rep tech 2 1 x power diag tech 2 3 x armour hardeners, Rigs trimark armour pump projectile burst aerator + one of your choice. to improve your setup, use 1200mm T2's, 6 1200's will do more dps than 5 x 1400 and a med arty. Use drones for frigs instead of the 720 and mix of missiles? "minmatar got the shaft again? sure ill bend over right away"
Ravensward Gallente N.A.S.A.	Posted - 2007.06.01 21:27:00 - [82] Here is the setup I use for Level 4 missions Highs: 2 x 1400mm Artillery 2 x 800mm Autocannon 2 x Cruise 2 x Seige Mediums: 100mn AB 3 x Cap Recharger Sensor Booster Lows: Large Armor Repper PDS EANM DC Kin Hardener Exp Hardener Therm Hardener Rigs: Capacitor Control Console Auxillary Nano Pump Anti-Explosive Pump Drones: 5 med 5 light I have never had a problem in a mission with this setup.
Shereza	Posted - 2007.07.28 19:25:00 - [83] I'm trying out a semi-active shield tank machariel setup at the moment. 7xSPR2, 2xlarge extender 2, 3x hardeners, 6x80mm repeating artillery, 2xcruise. With low skills (shield op 4, shield management 3), poor implants (3% shield HP, no shield regen implant), and 3 T1 core purge rigs I manage about 300 hp/sec peak regen. My drake's best is closer to 210 so I figure that nearly 50% more HP regen is worth the loss of a little resistance bonus especially in light of the higher DPS without combat drones compared to my drake with 7 heavy launchers and drones. Surprised that I've seen only one mention of passive tanking on the machariel in the threads I've managed to find and scan since it's at least as good for passive shield tanking as ships like the myrmidon and dominix if not outright better and there've been a few conversations on passive tanking both of those ships.
Odium47	Posted - 2007.08.14 14:59:00 - [84] Dear Anastasia, Disregard all recomandation on autocannons. Flying a 700 mils. isk ship into pvp is a gamble for mad men (only diagnosticated Down Syndrome people would do that). For a level 4 mission you wont be using autocannons more than 15% of the time. So the choice is definetly 1400mm artilery. I sugest t2 if u have the skills, if not t1 'scout' if u dont have the patience to wait for the skill completion. So 6 1400mm t2 should do a good job. For the rest of the 2 high slot i recommand 1 large smartbomb for small fast ships and another module at your choosing. Medium (5 slots): -shield booster extra large (the amount of money you wanna pay is again your choice:faction or t2) -Emp Amplifier (can be replaced with Invulnerability II, but i dont recommand it) -Kinetic Amplifier -Termal Amplifier -Shield Amplifier T2 or an After burner if u realy wanna be fast and run away (also dont be shy to use a cap if the ship is running low often on energuy) Low(7 slots) -dmg control is a must ('cause it will help tank on shields, on armor, and it will definetly prooves its worth on hull, beeing practically free) -3tracking enhancers t2 -3 gyro t2 Rigs:(3 with 350 calibration) -an emp shielding(Achilie's heel on every ship) -2 at your choosing (dont put armor, it will affect its velocity) Ammo: Tremor obviously for long range and Quake for close when webbed only. None of the previous set ups is a golden set up. Every set up should be according to the missions request. This one is apliable in 70% of the cases.
Joshua Lonestar	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:00:00 - [85] Originally by: Odium47 Dear Anastasia, Disregard all recomandation on autocannons. Flying a 700 mils. isk ship into pvp is a gamble for mad men (only diagnosticated Down Syndrome people would do that). Guy in my Alliance lost one just last week. Thats ok, theres a few more in the hanger. I'd say someone who would use this incredible instrument of death for something as silly as a Lvl 4 mission that can be done in a Drake is a Downs Syndrome candidate, but to each their own I suppose.
Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:52:00 - [86] Edited by: Jack Target on 14/08/2007 17:52:19 There are more sensible choices for doing level 4, such as Navy Ravens. But come on! Machariels are the Ferraris of Eve! They are so fast! It's tempting to think that if you can do a level 4 in a Machariel, you must have the SP and ISK to be a good PvPer. Seriously though, I wouldn't attempt to do it in a Machariel until I could do level 4 missions in a Tempest first - and that's probably the best part of 12-months away for me.
gobergin Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.16 03:14:00 - [87] Now, I have a left-field question here..... I actually only noticed Machariels a few days ago (I know. 3 year noob) Since they caught my fancy, I have been looking into getting one- and started seeing the price has skyrocketed to 1-1.5billion. When I compare this to the 450Million asked for a Tempest Fleet Issue, I am wondering.... is it really worth it? Bear in mind I am not a PvPer and am mostly looking at PvE. I see the rate of fire bonus, and if the prices were equivalent, I would go for the Machariel for the 'Cool Factor' for sure, but..... I see one variation in low vs med slots, and better speed. Is that really worth several hundred million to the average podjock?
Odium47	Posted - 2007.08.16 08:23:00 - [88] Edited by: Odium47 on 16/08/2007 08:24:36 Yes Gobergin, it is worth every f... last penny. Speed is crucial in Eve and this ship is a killer, and in my opinion is the best ship in the game. As for loosing a Mach in a level 4 mission, only a moron could do that. With a mininimum piloting skill it will be just a game of shooting ducks. Looses fun and it becomes just a way of adjusting different modules for pvp, nothing more. By the way, why the hell would anyone use a Mach in a fleet when everyone uses BC (cheaper, fast, powerful and replaceble). Thats why the Triumvirate is winning ! Level 4 missions in a Drake ? Manufacturing or distribution maybe ! In my opinion, Mach should be used as a sniper.
Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.16 14:53:00 - [89] Originally by: gobergin Now, I have a left-field question here..... I actually only noticed Machariels a few days ago (I know. 3 year noob) Since they caught my fancy, I have been looking into getting one- and started seeing the price has skyrocketed to 1-1.5billion. When I compare this to the 450Million asked for a Tempest Fleet Issue, I am wondering.... is it really worth it? Bear in mind I am not a PvPer and am mostly looking at PvE. I see the rate of fire bonus, and if the prices were equivalent, I would go for the Machariel for the 'Cool Factor' for sure, but..... I see one variation in low vs med slots, and better speed. Is that really worth several hundred million to the average podjock? Nope, its not. If your running missions for the price of a Mach alone you could utterly pimp a Raven. A standard T2 fitted Raven will already smoke a lvl 4. Anything beyond that is just to do it a bit faster or with a bit more style but at the end of the day the payout is going to be the same whether you finish the mission in a Drake or a Mach. Do YOU want to drop 1+ billion for a ship that, for all PVE purposes, will do the same damn thing a 90 mil Raven will??
gobergin Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.16 17:10:00 - [90] Originally by: Judas Lonestar Originally by: gobergin Now, I have a left-field question here..... I actually only noticed Machariels a few days ago (I know. 3 year noob) Since they caught my fancy, I have been looking into getting one- and started seeing the price has skyrocketed to 1-1.5billion. When I compare this to the 450Million asked for a Tempest Fleet Issue, I am wondering.... is it really worth it? Bear in mind I am not a PvPer and am mostly looking at PvE. I see the rate of fire bonus, and if the prices were equivalent, I would go for the Machariel for the 'Cool Factor' for sure, but..... I see one variation in low vs med slots, and better speed. Is that really worth several hundred million to the average podjock? Nope, its not. If your running missions for the price of a Mach alone you could utterly pimp a Raven. A standard T2 fitted Raven will already smoke a lvl 4. Anything beyond that is just to do it a bit faster or with a bit more style but at the end of the day the payout is going to be the same whether you finish the mission in a Drake or a Mach. Do YOU want to drop 1+ billion for a ship that, for all PVE purposes, will do the same damn thing a 90 mil Raven will?? Good point indeed, BUT. I should have stated up front that I am a heavy heavy Minmatar Gunnery spec and don't really plan to change that. Sooooo since Raven is a Caldari Missile Muscle Machine, I would have to completely change my development path and build a whole new set of trained skillz. Ain't a Caldari Missile boy. I'm just a big guns and ammo sort. With that stated, is the answer (skipping all the Missiles vs Gunz discussions cause its not gonna happen this year) still the same, or does the Mach (assuming gunz, gunz and more gunz) still justify the +X hundred more ISK over a Tempest Fleet? And, yes, if I could find a Tempest TRIBAL issue there is no more discussion (drool)
Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.16 23:32:00 - [91] Originally by: gobergin Originally by: Judas Lonestar Originally by: gobergin Now, I have a left-field question here..... I actually only noticed Machariels a few days ago (I know. 3 year noob) Since they caught my fancy, I have been looking into getting one- and started seeing the price has skyrocketed to 1-1.5billion. When I compare this to the 450Million asked for a Tempest Fleet Issue, I am wondering.... is it really worth it? Bear in mind I am not a PvPer and am mostly looking at PvE. I see the rate of fire bonus, and if the prices were equivalent, I would go for the Machariel for the 'Cool Factor' for sure, but..... I see one variation in low vs med slots, and better speed. Is that really worth several hundred million to the average podjock? Nope, its not. If your running missions for the price of a Mach alone you could utterly pimp a Raven. A standard T2 fitted Raven will already smoke a lvl 4. Anything beyond that is just to do it a bit faster or with a bit more style but at the end of the day the payout is going to be the same whether you finish the mission in a Drake or a Mach. Do YOU want to drop 1+ billion for a ship that, for all PVE purposes, will do the same damn thing a 90 mil Raven will?? Good point indeed, BUT. I should have stated up front that I am a heavy heavy Minmatar Gunnery spec and don't really plan to change that. Sooooo since Raven is a Caldari Missile Muscle Machine, I would have to completely change my development path and build a whole new set of trained skillz. Ain't a Caldari Missile boy. I'm just a big guns and ammo sort. With that stated, is the answer (skipping all the Missiles vs Gunz discussions cause its not gonna happen this year) still the same, or does the Mach (assuming gunz, gunz and more gunz) still justify the +X hundred more ISK over a Tempest Fleet? And, yes, if I could find a Tempest TRIBAL issue there is no more discussion (drool) Well theres 2 ways to go with that. First, it really doesnt take a whole lot of SP in missiles to use the good majority of them. 750k to 1 mil and you can mount any T1 launcher you want (Barring caps obviously) The other option that I would do if I were you with all those SP in guns is go Tempest Fleet issue. More shield, more armor and more structure then the Mach and its cheaper to boot!
Odium47	Posted - 2007.08.17 09:09:00 - [92] Unfortunatly Judas, there are missions that you cant even finish in a Vindicator together with a Raven with torps. But if u thing a reven is enough for a L4 mission, just go ahead and learn it the hard way !
Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.17 12:47:00 - [93] Edited by: Judas Lonestar on 17/08/2007 12:47:52 Originally by: Odium47 Unfortunatly Judas, there are missions that you cant even finish in a Vindicator together with a Raven with torps. But if u thing a reven is enough for a L4 mission, just go ahead and learn it the hard way ! Which one? I can only thing of one and thats the one with that 2.5 mil guy at the end. But I gave up missions long time ago. And for the record I have something like 400k LP and a 9+ standing, so yes I've ran a truckload of lvl 4's. Heck, I've done a good portion of them in a Drake. I mean if you want to drop a bil on a ship thats arguably no better then a Raven (Of some flavor or another) to do a lvl 4 certainly dont let me stop you. By all means have at it. I'm just trying to save you a metric crapton of cash. I'm highly skeptical that a Machariel is going to run a lvl 4 900 million ISK better then a Raven. Marginally better sure, but at that point I'd drop the cash for officer gear for the Raven. Hell, you could buy a Fleet Tempest with more survivability then a Mach and STILL have cash left over for some pimp gear. But u;timately, the game is about having fun. If flying a Mach in lvl 4's is how you enjoy the game by all means, buy two! EDIT I should add I'm something of a tightass with ISK, hence me recommending other solutions which would probably be roughly comparable to the Mach at a far reduced price. If you have the free cash and have the desire to do so.....Well, give us a screenie of that sweet lookin ship in action!
Odium47	Posted - 2007.08.17 14:49:00 - [94] If only it would one mission to have problems with...but there are way more than 1. Anyway, i had a mission in which only with a dreadnaught set in siege you could have finished it alone.
Odium47	Posted - 2007.08.24 15:07:00 - [95] Ah, almost forgot. As far as I played the only cause that can make you lose a bs in a mission is LAG ! Use alignment for easy warp out and set also an autopilot when the game is blocked more than 15 seconds. Also, i must agree with Mr. Freeze on the another rigs setup: 3 capacitor control circuit 1. Who has flown the ship, knows !
Shereza	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:04:00 - [96] Machariel in level 4s is easy enough. I run 4 1200 artillery, 2 1400, and 2 cruise launchers with a tank style almost identical to my drake's (2 amps and 1 hardener to my drake's 2 hardeners and 1 amp with 1 fewer LSE IIs and 3 more SPR IIs) and it's pretty easy. Heck, I was pelting dire (T2 guristas) moas at 20km with artillery. DPS is a hair under a raven's would be with my skills and the tank is way better than anything I could get out of a raven short of spending at least 50% more on mods than I spent (500m) on the machariel and the mods (80m?). Of course the raven never has felt right to me. I own one and I've played around with it but I've never really considered it seriously for mission running.
Stravadi Minmatar IDEON ANDRON Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2007.10.08 13:20:00 - [97] Edited by: Stravadi on 08/10/2007 13:21:55 Edited by: Stravadi on 08/10/2007 13:21:35 Edited by: Stravadi on 08/10/2007 13:20:34 I'm running level 4 missions in Caladari Space in my Machariel. I recommend shield tanking so you can have spare low slots for damage modules. I use pretty much the same setup for over 1 year but its efficiency in mission running requires a lot of training: t2 arties/autos, decent engineering skills -shield and cap skills- and of course spaceship command skills - you better have minmarar BS maxed and the gallente one as high as possible. I also use faction modules either for tanking purposes (t2 or named items are not enough for some difficult lvl 4 missions) or for fitting purposes. High Slots: 6x 1400mm Artillery II 2x Arbalest Cruise Missile Launcher Medium Slot: Pith X-type Large Shield Booster F-90 Positional Subroutine Sensor Booster 3 tech 2 hardeners depending the NPC type Low Lot: 3x domination gyrostab's 2x tech 2 Powe Diagnostic Unit 2x True Sansha Power Diagnostic Unit Rigs: Projectile Burst Aerator Anti Thermal Screen Re-inforcer Core Defence Opearational Solidifier Notes 1. I switch to Dual 650mm AC's if I am against mercs and the sensor booster with a 90% webifier (dont even have to use drones for wingmen). In a few missions with cruiser orbiting in 23-27km (e.x Angel NPC)I switch to 1200mm and use a named 90% webifier for <10km orbiting NPC's. 2. The two True Sansha PDU are used for PG purposes (due to the rig). You can use RCU and 3 t2 pdu or 5 t2 pdu's and 2 gyro's, but you'll compromise tank or DPS. 3. Untill recently I was using a Gist B-type Shiled booster. This is an also good booster to use, but using Pith X-type makes your tank more solid. I'm running missions in Caldari Space, and this is my
Odium47	Posted - 2007.10.08 15:18:00 - [98] yeah, for missions, shields is the main recommandation. Also, 1200 mm goes better for missions. I can shoot with 1200 from 12 km if aligned. I also use 3 trackin' enhancers on lows together with 3 gyros. Making the ship shoot damn fast and deadly. As I said before i wouldn't fly one in pvp, because its too expensive and the job could be done by a tempest with ac650 or 800, so dont have to risk a mach for that. But if i were to fly one i would set it up for extreme sniping, any of the tempest set ups work fine for such jobs. Also, who thinks that 1400 mm work fine with tremor and just 1 sensor booster is very wrong.
nails Caldari Ota Corps Akihabara Denki Gai	Posted - 2008.01.01 01:19:00 - [99] I've been flying Machs for a loooong time.. It's my favorite ship in the game :) I have 4 I keep nice and shiny at all times. I tweak the setup on a constant basis, however if I was to average all the setups it would be something like this: Also note this setup might require some of your upgrade skills to be at V. Post Trinity: High Slots ---------- 6x 1400 Republic Fleet Howitzer Artillery 1x Heavy Missile Launcher II Mid Slots --------- Core X-type 100MN Afterburner Gist X-type XL Shield Booster Gist X-type Shield Boost Amp Dread Guristas Invul Draclira's modified Cap Recharger Low Slots --------- 3x Dark Blood Power Diag 2x Domination Tracking Enhancer 2x Domination Gyro stab I also keep my drone bay full of vespa IIs to help clean house. If you pull all of this down to T2 it works pretty well, but you will probably have to drop the missile launcher. -------------- http://nails.otaku.jp/ota-corps/--Adv Anime Rank
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.01 01:55:00 - [100] This is a setup I used on several occasions. It should be nerfed because it is extreme omni-potence. Highs: 2 x Civilian Gatling rail 2 x Civilian Gatling Pulse 2 x Civilian Electron Blaster 2 x Civilian Autocannon Mids: 5 x Civilian Shield Boosters Lows: 7 x Civilian Armor Repairers No joke I actually used this setup. It can shield AND armor tank and does ALL damage types with NO ammo cost. The modules are very cap efficient as well. Im telling you this is the greatest setup ever. PS: Though the setup is a joke, the fact that I actually did it is not. I always loved watching the flamers contribute nothing to the threads, so I decided to deface the machariel just to get even with them. I love the ship. I hate the flamers. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
BLOOD THIRSTY	Posted - 2008.01.01 03:25:00 - [101] Highs - 6 800 Autocannons T2 1 Dark Blood Nuet 1 True Sansha Nos Mids - 1 Gist X MWD 1 Domi Disruptor 1 Domi Web 1 True Sansha Cap Injector 1 Sensor Booster Lows - 3 Domi Overdrives 1 I-Stab T2 1 DCU T2 2 Republic Fleet Gyro Rigs - 3 polycarbons Drones - 5 hammerhead T2 5 Warrior T2 Drugs / Implants (snakes) 1 Friend in a claymore My ship does 12km / sec. Scrambles at 42 km / webs at 20 km Does 858 dps. Smile 8)
The Bandid Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.01 22:33:00 - [102] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Originally by: Emily Spankratchet Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski It's not easy to do Level 4 missions in a machariel without investing billions, and it's not healthy for you because you might die from just me sending you hatemails during your missions for using it like that. Damn. Does that mean I'm doing something wrong by running level 4 missions in a Mach fitted only with T2 gear? Should I buy some faction mods to up my expenditure and comply with the "must invest billions" rule? I would post a setup, but it seems like this thread is a magnet for negativity and I'd hate to spoil that. You don't run level 4 missions to make the most isk per hour then, if you think you can effectivly do them with a machariel with only T2 modules. Notice the Word "Easy", make sure you also look it up the dictionary if you're unaware of the meaning of it. About posting your setup? Hey, You must be kidding me if you think i can't come up with your exact setup in under 1 minute without even thinking it all out. Damn u, so u think everyone in eve is the same heh, he asks for a setup for a mach for an lvl 4 mission so pls stfu and give the dude a setup, and no he isnt a Caldari wannabee noob flying a no skill raven, however it depends how much isk u have to spend but i have flown mach myself many times and a t2 fitting with rigs is really good for lvl 4 missions. dual rep capinjected and a med cargocontainer for the boosters in hold works like a charm. 6x 650 t2 smarty and a launcher ab caprech web capinj change it i had a t2 ccc so i could fit a web instead of one extra recharger dual reppers and hardners mission specific, (i invested indeed for dual faction reppers Core types pref and x type hardners and eanm play around with it a bit and ull be fine, ive allso heared u can make it work for missions with a good shield booster and long range guns. Go to handlebar HEDALEOLFARBER there were plenty of nmtz mission runners in machs they could deffo help u out. i am more of an pvp type
Ryan Scouse'UK omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:28:00 - [103] I own Two machariel 1 x nano mach 10k + ms 1 x Mach fully tanked for pvp fit - did use to run level 4s in it back in 2006 when was bored in empire. 6 x 1400 2 x cruise 2 x TP / 1 x Gist X 100 AB / 2 x tracking 3 x faction /dmg mods 1 x dcu / 1 x nano / forget rest but was sumthing like that for snipen level 4s instant pop. was before Rigs came out.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2008.01.02 05:56:00 - [104] Good job looking at the timestamps folks. ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
xenobite 666 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.07 13:42:00 - [105] Machariel for LVL4 missions !?!?! YOU SHOULD BE SHOT !!! :D:D:D:D:D:D =====Only Death Is Eternal===== Trade feedback Linkage
Slide	Posted - 2008.01.07 14:40:00 - [106] Originally by: xenobite 666 Machariel for LVL4 missions !?!?! YOU SHOULD BE SHOT !!! :D:D:D:D:D:D And why excactly?
Odium47	Posted - 2008.01.07 15:13:00 - [107] Actualy, the person who uses it for pvp should be shot !
Skeiron	Posted - 2008.01.08 04:31:00 - [108] Originally by: Odium47 Edited by: Odium47 on 07/01/2008 17:39:21 Actualy, the person who uses it for pvp should be shot ! If you wanna see if your set up is good for pvp, just fit autocannons and whatever you think is good, and then try to do all the L4 mission types and see whre it has problems. If it runs without any issues (for which i seriously doubt) you can try pvp, but prepare a lot of hankies to wipe your noses and tears after loosing it. PvP =/= PvE. What is good in pvp is not necessarily good in pve and vice versa. eg: speed, ecm, (untill recently) nos (neut still somewhat useful), scram :O, burst dps, enough tank to outlast the other guy, emphasis on lock speeds over lockrange (if at all). vs Sustainable dps over (preferrably) long range, enough tank to last through a mission (preferably) without using cap injector, just enough speed not to bore yourself to death, emphasis on range over speed. Tbfh I don't really give a **** what use you have for the ship, but saying that you can see how good a ship is in pvp by testing it out on missions is just wrong. ------------------------- When EvE Online meets Real Life
Odium47	Posted - 2008.01.08 20:30:00 - [109] The first impulse would be to agree with you, but i get a cold shower when i think at some nerfs... ...torps ...speed ...drones etc.
Nice Devil Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.22 13:01:00 - [110] Hello Fellas, i own a Mach now, but i didn't finish my skilling for this nice ship... so i'm playing with EFT at this moment to get a good fitting for doing lvl 4 i read through some thread in this forum here but can't find the real answer for the best fitting for lvl 4s... why do some guys use Dual 650mm and not 800mm? is there something i should know? are you able to tank the Mach with a MAR? yeah i saw some fittings where this was used for lvl 4?!?!? mhhh... i would like to try to show u how i would fit the mach... i have to say that i'm new to projectile weapons (i'm an Amarr - never flew any other kind of ships) High: 6x 800mm AC II 2x Arbalest Siege Missile (both short range and max damage) Med: Gist X-Type AB 1x Webbi II 3x Cap Recharger II Low: Corpus X-Type LAR, 2 Racial Hardener, 1 Amarr Navy EANM, 3x Domination / Republic Fleet Gyro Stab Rigs: 1x Polycarbon II 1x Aux Nano Pump I 1x CCC I pls tell me if this is enough to tank any lvl 4 missions?!? i saw that the Signature Radius is realy small on the Mach... so maybe i can switch the EANM with a Tracking Enhancher (is there a need for this?) or an Overdrive II (maybe Domination one) i'm just some steps away to be able to afford this fitting written above... pls don't let me buy the wrong things
Iteken Hotori Minmatar Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.22 14:00:00 - [111] that should be enough, but i'd go 'extra safe' just in case. My mission-Mach has: 6x Domination 800mm AC, 2x republic fleet cruise RF 100mn AB, 3x Cap Recharger II, 1x Cap Injector II (800's) 2x True Sansha LAR II, 3x Harderner II, DC II, Rep Fleet Gyro 1x ACR, 1x CCC, 1x Nanopump Hammerhead II's Tanks anything. can happily sit in Recon 1/3 and laugh at the damage, untill you run out of 800's fo course, but it's massive cargo hold gives you 20 charges total which = alot of tank :) Some misions, you can drop gyro for extra hardeners (AE Bonus), some you can drop tank for gyros. ps. may eb interested in selling it as a package if the price is right. mail me.
Odium47	Posted - 2008.02.22 15:13:00 - [112] I saw hundreds of set ups with faction weapons and I have concluded that peaople who uses faction weapons instead of tech 2 are either using EFT to fit, either have a pile of money or thay don't have a clue about the game and the fact that tech 2 weapons get bonuses from the specializing skills and are way better and cheaper than faction weapons.
Iteken Hotori Minmatar Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.22 15:18:00 - [113] Originally by: Odium47 I saw hundreds of set ups with faction weapons and I have concluded that peaople who uses faction weapons instead of tech 2 are either using EFT to fit, either have a pile of money or thay don't have a clue about the game and the fact that tech 2 weapons get bonuses from the specializing skills and are way better and cheaper than faction weapons. Wow, you are stupid. How about: Can't use t2 weapons yet? 22mil sp, trained to Commandships not t2 large. Come find me if you want to know if i can fit a ship or not. Besides, Domination/Angel mods on a Domination/Angel ship is cool as ****. Fact.
Kolwrath Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.02.22 17:08:00 - [114] Originally by: Odium47 I saw hundreds of set ups with faction weapons and I have concluded that peaople who uses faction weapons instead of tech 2 are either using EFT to fit, either have a pile of money or thay don't have a clue about the game and the fact that tech 2 weapons get bonuses from the specializing skills and are way better and cheaper than faction weapons. As posted ... some people cannot use T2 Guns yet so they use faction. Don't be so quick to judge (that's how flame wars start). I would also point out that T2 is not neccessarily better than faction. For example the T2 Tachyon are not really better that the Amarr Navy Tachyon: Pro T2 Tachyon vs Amarr Navy Tachyon: -With Beam Specialisation IV would you get a better damage multiplier, but it is only minutely better. Con T2 Tachyon vs Amarr Navy Tachyon: -Higher grid requirements -Higher CPU requirements -Much higher capacitor requirement. -4+ weeks of training (ish) on top of what you would need for the Navy Tachyon. So yeah ... don't be so quick to make snap judgements. Originally by: Chaos Space Marines Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
Kay Rissa Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.02.22 19:09:00 - [115] it is a nice ship, a bit expensive, i would use this setup: 6 x 1400, 2 arby cruise launchers 1 gist c-type xl, gist b-type amp, 3 DG invuls (i would use those, simply because i have them, feel free to use gist x-type) 3 domi gyros, 4 true sansha pdu or 3 true sasha pdu + iffa damage control - to fit this u need to use faction 1400 arty's, if u use t2, then u need to fit co-proc. rigs: ccc t2 and 2 x ccc Tank runs 24/7 Proud member of RTSQ ps: i dont like to kill innocent ppl, so if i killed u, u rnt innocent
Torothal Dreams of Desolation	Posted - 2008.03.19 12:05:00 - [116] hi I came here to see what setups ppl use on macha and maybe find some nice ideas to compare my own I have But what I found is far beyond any expectations I would have... what a tragedy. I see that ppl posting here claim themselves (most( as experienced mission runners/players. 90% setups here would be named funny but on the other hand it is a shame that ppl cannot use such a ship like macha. Becasue most ppl talk about mission setup I will add few OBVIOUS questions: - if u tank shield - why XLarge booster should be best idea? - have u ever realized that 6x1200mm AND 3 gyro do way better than 1400's and 2 gyro? - do u REALLY REALLY think that power diagnostic is the module which should used so often? - who found this excellent idea that TWO hardeners it is enough to tank during missions? - how came you forgot that passive hardeners give way less resistance than active ones? - why I cannot find any clue what is energy balance for your.. abominations? How long you can run repairers/boosters/ab - or whatever do you use? - ever realized you cannot include energy bonus from NOS' to your energy balance calculations? And even more complicated question: why I say so?? and more.. it becomes boring tbh... I was ready to publish my own ideas (not very usual tho) and wait for some valuable comments but now I'm sure I have pretty low chance to get any... so I wont. Fly safe and have fun anyway. PS. Most funn y posts was those claiming there are level 4 mission(s) a battleship cannot finish alone. ANY bs can solo ANY lvl 4 mission. Without warping out. What is needed is good setup and a bit of thinking. Good luck with getting them.
Lunch Money Teylas Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:55:00 - [117] ship is sooo cool. too bad is soo expensive. but If I would fly it it would be like this: [Machariel, passive] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Shield Recharger II 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L Republic Fleet Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Republic Fleet Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II no need to change fittings^^
Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.05 12:07:00 - [118] Originally by: Lunch Money ship is sooo cool. too bad is soo expensive. but If I would fly it it would be like this: [Machariel, passive] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Shield Recharger II 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L Republic Fleet Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Republic Fleet Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II no need to change fittings^^ Dear god...... ___________ - Stork DK
Illu Sive	Posted - 2008.05.05 14:15:00 - [119] Edited by: Illu Sive on 05/05/2008 14:19:00 Edited by: Illu Sive on 05/05/2008 14:18:06 I use a machariel for caldari missions since my main is a strictly minmatarr specced character its the best option you can choose... But i think its quite silly using artys in a mach for lvl 4... that way you waste too much firepower I use 6x 800m and 2 Siege Launcher (although Cruise might be more practical i like the explosions ^^) In the mid slots I use a gist afterburner to get into range... And the lows... well for most missions i can use 3 gyrostabs... although you need expensive armor tanking gear to make that possible... and one of those projectile damage rigs is also nice to have. With the built in tracking bonus its a fine mission runner.. you can even hit frigs ok if you time it correctly.. and those who survive are easily knocked out by your drones. I don¦t know exactly how fast a CNR completes the same missions.. but i doubt that it is much faster. It is extremely expensive to fit one though... and you wouldnt want to risk one in low sec. Ahhh and the tank is able to run indefinatly ... so you are safe if you are distracted.... and thats possible to achieve without named cap rechargers.... thank god... that would be way too pricy
cApAc aMaRu Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.05 16:06:00 - [120] Originally by: Lunch Money ship is sooo cool. too bad is soo expensive. but If I would fly it it would be like this: [Machariel, passive] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Shield Recharger II 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L Republic Fleet Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Republic Fleet Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II no need to change fittings^^ That isn't passive. This is passive. [Machariel, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I -------------------------------------------------- If my pc was working I'd be in game right now... --------------------------------------------------

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