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Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.07 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 07/10/2003 20:49:17
OK, who is the lucky person who got all of our blueprints?
A week or so ago, all of our lab slots in Stegette System (Duvolle Labs Station) unrented themselves. There were messages in the mailbox saying that the leases were terminated due to lack of use (which we know is not true since all of teh BPs were in the labs for research or copying). When the labs unrented themselves, all of our original blueprints vanished.
In following up with the GMs, they said another person had our blueprints. I have read about a recurring bug that leaves BPs in the labs when labs unrent themselves and the next lucky person who rents the labs gets to eject the blueprints and keep them for themselves.
I have asked the GM to contact the person who has the BPs in an attempt to ascertain how they got them. Before CCP responds, I am asking the person/corporation who has them to step forward and admit how they obtained them. Please, if you purchased them from a member of Playboy Enterprises, please tell me who sold them to you and this issue will be resolved -- the BPs will be yours fair and square. If you got them through a bug, it is in your best interest to step forward as this may be seen as an exploit (having gained material possessions through a bug without reporting it). Please, pretty please, in the spirit of fairness, contact me or post here so we can handle this ASAP before trouble ensues. That's all I ask
Thank you all,
Heff
President, Playboy Enterprises
[email protected]
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.10.07 19:50:00 -
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This will end badly.
Im Yo Huckleberreh |
Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.07 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 07/10/2003 20:24:02
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This will end badly.
Unless the people who got them still don't know they have them. The BPs could have ejected to another player's hangar and they haven't seen them yet, but I highly doubt it. Consider that we are missing the following BPs:
1 Apocalypse original
1 Megathron Original
1 Moa Original
1 Maller Original
1 Thorax Original
1 Rupture Original
1 Iteron V Original
People WOULD tend to notice if they "stumbled" onto these little babies. We will see. If CCP can't resolve this one, Heff is retiring (and you cannot have my stuff).
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.07 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 07/10/2003 20:00:04
So THAT's what happened to our &*^% BP.. 
FWIW I bloody hope CCP actually return the BPs.. no way on earth this cna ever be the fault of the player, considered part of the game or any other paltry excuse.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.07 20:21:00 -
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/emotequickly checks his hangars
8796 civilian railguns.
Phew!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Archain
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Posted - 2003.10.07 20:31:00 -
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I don't like how this is sounding =/
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Dandrik
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Posted - 2003.10.07 20:50:00 -
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We will see. If CCP can't resolve this one, Heff is retiring (and you cannot have my stuff).
Woohoo!!!! Maybe they will stop hijacking threads!
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.10.07 21:07:00 -
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it twas the one armed man 
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Jebba IV
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Posted - 2003.10.07 21:12:00 -
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damn man that sucks!
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.07 21:15:00 -
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 That's it, I'm renting my ass off right now! 
Convert Stations
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Victoria Madison
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Posted - 2003.10.07 21:20:00 -
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HEY CCP!!!!
Please wake up and help Heff find his blueprints so that I, Victoria Madison, can finally be proclaimed Miss September!!
psst...hey Heff, I'm helping all I can. 
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Jessica Logan
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Posted - 2003.10.07 21:28:00 -
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Can't see CCP offering much, if any, of a refund.
Doubt they have logs to disprove the old "I'll shout about losing BPs in an attempt to gain more". oO
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xpero
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Posted - 2003.10.07 21:35:00 -
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that sucks, man. i feel your pain. i know what it is like to loose something you so hard worked to achieve.
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <)
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Killuha
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Posted - 2003.10.07 21:42:00 -
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You will get those BP¦s back, it¦s just a matter of time, my old corp lost its arma original and it took ccp about 1 week to sort things out, but in the end they will give them back.
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Crimsonjade
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:09:00 -
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It took us 1 hour to get it back after our megathron bp disappeared in a factory slot when we hit "ok" to build. Not sure if your situation falls under the same category, but they were very quick to fix things.
No pain, no palm; no thorns, no throne; no gall, no glory; no cross, no crown.
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Shock on 07/10/2003 22:18:50
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1 Apocalypse original
1 Megathron Original
1 Moa Original
1 Maller Original
1 Thorax Original
1 Rupture Original
1 Iteron V Original
Whoah that more then hurts, this is the kind of stuff that kills...
The kind of stuff that can tear whole corps in pieces and ends in RL issues...
Shame on CCP on letting you letting in the dark this long. It sure is busy at Algogille though
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:19:00 -
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However i dont like playboy, i must say that losing those bp's is very painfull.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:27:00 -
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:-(
I hope you get them back, and soon too. Things like this should be easily confirmable using logs and so just as easy to put right.
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Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 07/10/2003 22:45:59
Thanks everyone for your support.
The thing that bothers me the most is the fact that I get nothing but short, basically useless answers from CCP before my petition goes back to the end of the line again. IÆve already waited a week since this happened and only now did they tell me that the BPs are actually in someone elseÆs hands. Whose hands those are is coming next.
I am just surprised this issue isnÆt getting more attention from CCP than it seemingly is. My point from the beginning is that there has to be a bug involved. The ONLY ways our BPs could have gotten into someone elseÆs hands are as follows:
1)Labs unrent themselves (bug) and the BPs donÆt come out correctly (bug), and the next person who rents the labs gets to have them (bug).
-or-
2)Let us assume that the labs didnÆt unrent themselves (assume a spy unrented the labs). The blueprints were installed from a secure hangar that only 2 players had access to. If the labs were sabotaged, then the blueprints should have popped back into the secure hangar. The fact that they didnÆt is a bug.
CCP: I am not trying to cheat, grief , or get anything that isnÆt mine. If I am, feel free to ban me. Help me help you; letÆs make this a better game and find the bugs that are killing it. I am not asking for anything special.
Whatever the case, this is easily a corp-killing event. Even if we get everything back, it is hard to stay motivated knowing the next blowup could be right around the corner. Faith is dwindling.
Heff
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.10.08 02:01:00 -
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Heff, that other person with access to the BP hanger, is that an alt or yours or another account of yours? If it's neither of those and it's someone other than you, I personally would start all investigations on them or anybody who can give access to that hanger (assuming the latter is only you).
Greed is the striving force in Eve of late, lets look at the recent robbery of a certain pirate corp. Yes it was in the company he kept, but at any time your closest freinds can turn on you if there is some isk in it for them.
On the common note, I hope you get your BP's back as that truely is a tragidy.
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MS BLAST
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Posted - 2003.10.08 02:44:00 -
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Ahhh now I'll never get to ride Heff's Megathron....
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.10.08 03:01:00 -
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Heff, best of luck with this issue man. I hope CCP help you to get your BP's back. Specially if you lost them to a bug.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.08 03:03:00 -
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Heff,
If the GM's know another player has them they have to know how they received them (even ingame "trades" appear in the transaction log).
I hope you get them back. Keep us posted please.
Calladen
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.08 03:58:00 -
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I'm just confused here.
Why didn't the GM finish the job? If he saw that someone else had the blueprints, why not at least put you out of your misery if they had been thugged legit? Or say that something wasn't right and he had to investigate further?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2003.10.08 04:04:00 -
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Heff,
My understanding is (from our research team) that BP should return to the SAME corporation hanger as they came from when installed. Since not just one BP disappeared but many, my view is either:
1) They dropped out to some other stranger as you suggested (I really doubt that happened but it would clearly be a bug, warranting a return of the BPs for the Devs). I'm sure CCP would be able to see this (and from posts in here, it seems clear they do).
2) Someone in your corp, cancelled the research jobs (seems like it, since its unlikely that all of the BPs would drop out at the same time in the wrong hanger to be stolen) and made a runner. This would be an internal corp issue which CCP could not act against (and could not give you a name either).
I hope CCP clarifies if it was a bug or not for you. I do wish you luck in getting them back. Its kills the game losing so much work.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.08 05:01:00 -
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Quote:
2) Someone in your corp, cancelled the research jobs (seems like it, since its unlikely that all of the BPs would drop out at the same time in the wrong hanger to be stolen) and made a runner. This would be an internal corp issue which CCP could not act against (and could not give you a name either).
Let us assume this is the case. If someone DID cancel the research jobs, or unrented the labs purposely, wouldn't those BPs return to the secure hangar they were installed from? If that is what is supposed to happen, then they should still be sitting there and they are not. If someone can cancel the job and/or unrent the labs and have the BPs go somewhere other than where they were installed from, then that is a problem. Why would you have an "install from" hangar that does not get the BPs back when they are free?
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.10.08 05:08:00 -
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Starting to look like a Corporate Theft to me. Thats what happens when too many people have access to High Security Hangars.
Maybe CCP should have a Blueprint Hangar that can only be opened by the CEO and Security Officer(s) together thru some sort of Corporate management tool. That way ejected BPs would output. I would rather loose a week or 2 of research ( if someone needed for access wasn't online for that long ) than to get them stolen forever and ever.
My +0.02 ISK
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.10.08 05:10:00 -
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We've had some wierdness with Factory unrenting. We built a thorax and it unrented at the end, but returned the BP but no Thorax or minerals. Day 5 of my petition, hope they find it!
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Exel Aurora
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Posted - 2003.10.08 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 07/10/2003 22:45:59
2)Let us assume that the labs didnÆt unrent themselves (assume a spy unrented the labs). The blueprints were installed from a secure hangar that only 2 players had access to. If the labs were sabotaged, then the blueprints should have popped back into the secure hangar. The fact that they didnÆt is a bug.
Sorry to hear about your loss, but I have a couple questions for you if you don't mind. Who is other person that has access to that hangar? Is it an alt or second account of yours? If not, is it someone you know in real life? If not, could that person have stolen your blueprints? Thank you for answering.
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Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.08 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 08/10/2003 05:16:41
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Starting to look like a Corporate Theft to me. Thats what happens when too many people have access to High Security Hangars.
That's just it though. Only 2 people had access to the secure hangar that housed our original BPs. Neither one of us gave them away. Knowing that, for them to go missing sounds like a bug.
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Sorry to hear about your loss, but I have a couple questions for you if you don't mind. Who is other person that has access to that hangar? Is it an alt or second account of yours? If not, is it someone you know in real life? If not, could that person have stolen your blueprints? Thank you for answering.
Yeah, the other person is a close friend of mine whom I've known for over 10 years. He did not swipe them.
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