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Cao Cao	Posted - 2003.10.11 02:08:00 - [211] Quote: Pann> Here's what I found out from Ender: It was the other guy who stole them and transferred them to his alt. There were only two of them with access to the slot and the logs are very clear about it. There is an open petition/ongoing investigation and the involved parties should be hearing from Support soon about the matter. If you have any other questions, you can e-mail support directly. So this means that Dora stole them? At least, that's what Pann is saying GM Ender told her.
Dora	Posted - 2003.10.11 02:31:00 - [212] Edited by: Dora on 11/10/2003 02:39:48 We have even offered TomB to allow us to call him and then ban us for life just to have a decent conversation about this. No reply to this proposal. Great work, another customer service triumph! Offices for sale: http://www.grafweb.com/playboy/pb_offices.htm Dora CEO Playboy Enterprises Chnnl: PLAYBOY E-ml: playboy_
Heff	Posted - 2003.10.11 07:00:00 - [213] TomB told us where to contact him. I hope to have explicit detailed answers this weekend. Anything less cannot be trusted or believed.
Red Six	Posted - 2003.10.11 07:48:00 - [214] Good luck, hopefully this gets straightened out for you.
Shaelin Corpius	Posted - 2003.10.11 10:24:00 - [215] Wow....what is left to say, but wow. I cannot believe it. That has to be THE most messed up thing I have ever heard of. I don't read all the forums that much....But this one I sat and read every thread from page 1-12 and Im up at 0230 in the morning here where I am at. To let something go this far. If they do not end up telling you....its because they don't know, they just don't know (CCP). I have been playing this game since it came out. I have spent so much time and effort aquiring the things I have and what our corp has. For a corp to lose so much in one day. I would exit the game, and remove my account, and say goodbye. I do not know how you have dealt with this. To even think that a 10-year friend could even do this to you...(counting out the fact of anything gone awry in the friendship) I am Appauled. Disgusted. Mortified. Completely ready to hit the Uninstall. Though yes this is only a game........if someone stole the blueprint to some crazy atomic weapon and someone who was in charge knew, yet could not tell, putting the entire world up in arms over it, all ready to give up and just end it all. And any of the possible suspects are willing to have the news spread if it was them...THEN WHAT IS THE PROBLEM. IT MUST BE A LEGAL ISSUE ON CONTRACTS TO KEEP THEM FROM GETTING SUED. That is the only reason something like this cannot be let out of the box. This situation can and will make CCP Bankrupt. This is how serious this is. My Corp is ready to go if this is not settled. I love this game. and that means at least 30-40 more members gone CCP. I am not threating, but I can't play something like this, if these situations are dealt like this. One simple message from a Dev could have avoided this entire thing. Something along the lines of. If in fact there was a bug involved. "Heff, dear player, we are working hard at investigating this situation. But due to <some malfunction> we cannot find the answer you are looking for. Please be patient as we sort this out at our level. We are extremely sorry for this and we ourselves do not know when it will be resolved" THATs BASIC PR. THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. That is all I would need to read, and understand, and be able to cope with it. ****ed, yes I would be. But nonetheless... were talking about coping with a situation. Please do not let this tear apart a 10 year friendship..because someone who you have never met and never will, told you that your friend(s) did something that they didn't do, and did not back it up with hard evidence. That would be more a waste than anything that could ever happen in this game or any game. But alot ppl don't realize that this is more than just a game by some means. You develop real friendship be as it may with pixels and text. But I mean Ultimate trust of time that you have spent learning and going through struggles and such. Laboring hours and hours, days and days, months and months to seee it shot down in One day. To some this means nothing. But to others This means everything. I am not trying to portray that the little guy in the game is any less important than the big guys, but certain situations need so much more attention than others, and I am so hoping that they understand this, but to the looks of this they seem to leave you haning indefinitly. Indefinite is not an option. Is the CCP sick of EVE themselves? Did they bite off more than they could chew. This is such a killer game, and so much potential. And I know your understaffed. The least you could do, if you can afford it is hire some more ppl, anyone. Just to do some of the busy bee stuff that takes your time away from your valued clients. We don't expect to be pampered as some do abuse the petitions so. And I for one cannot complain about the petitions, I have been taken care of very well. But for you Heff, Dora and Playboy Enterprize. I am so sorry, more than you can imagine, and If there is anything I can do to help you out if you do decide to stay as much as you shouldn't. You just evemail me and I'm there. My corp(s) will all help you get back up and running. I hate seeing honest ppl get jacked, like when I lost 280mil out my own personal wallet from a wallet hacker. (oops) did I say that. And this morning when a graphical error showed that every asset of mine and my corp(s) was non-existent for a period of time. In which I almost just quit. You have my utmost support I say again. You guys got more patience than I do. Good luck to you. And I can't even will it up for my tag. Man this sux.
EvilEric	Posted - 2003.10.11 11:40:00 - [216] I ain't letting this one drop from the boards... Till we all know the resolution.
Kane Jacobs	Posted - 2003.10.11 12:06:00 - [217] I wanna see this one resolved aswell... I almost fell off the chair when I saw the list of the bp's that are involved. There are quite a few hours invested in getting em all.. Good luck Playboy _______________________________________________
anora	Posted - 2003.10.11 12:51:00 - [218] HAHAHAHAHA TIME TO START OVER HEFF LMAO
Dora	Posted - 2003.10.11 13:25:00 - [219] Just to see how far off the rocker these guys are, check out this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=38008 Offices for sale: http://www.grafweb.com/playboy/pb_offices.htm Dora CEO Playboy Enterprises Chnnl: PLAYBOY E-ml: playboy_
Blacklight	Posted - 2003.10.11 15:09:00 - [220] Quote: HAHAHAHAHA TIME TO START OVER HEFF LMAO Fate's got a nasty way of returning that kind of sentiment. I hope the fickle lady fate finds you in good spirits when she knocks on your door, imbecile. Eve Blacklight Style
Night	Posted - 2003.10.11 15:18:00 - [221] So who stole the BPS?
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.10.11 16:18:00 - [222] Again I ask, why should Playboy Enterprises receive any information about who stole their BP's? No other corp. has. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kozak	Posted - 2003.10.11 16:26:00 - [223] Um, maybe because they were stolen wit the help of an exploit. If someone stole it who had access to the hangars, then too bad, but if someone without access took em, then how is that ok?
Der Mutter	Posted - 2003.10.11 17:25:00 - [224] Also, don't rule out the possibility of Heff and/or Dora just lies. Why you say. I have seen stranger ways for people to get kicks... In cases like this you always have to have an open mind. But personally I think it was someone that used an exploit that is not classified as an exploit. Then CCP can't tell them who did it, because that would ruin everything for him (or her) and PE can't figure it out by themselves. Deadlock. Death is just the beginning
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.10.11 17:50:00 - [225] "Again I ask, why should Playboy Enterprises receive any information about who stole their BP's?" ... The explanation given by CCP was, according to their logs the blueprints were stolen by "the other person" (not Heff) with legitimate access to them and then transferred to the alt of that person. The other person in question happens to be Heff's long-time friend. Both him and Heff urged CCP to come out and specifically point out which one of them is the 'legitimate thief', being that at the moment only CCP has both the information and authority to clear their name, after they essentially branded Heff's friend as corporate thief. Currently, CCP can either say that yes, it was Heff's friend who stole the blueprints... or to admit this was actually some third party which got access to the BPs through the quirk of game security system. It's not complicated, and simply a matter of putting money where one's mouth is. (CCP claimed it's not a game bug, but specific person; that person gave them green light to back up that claim with proof) The fact they're delaying to address the issue which has been blown up to this proportion is quite disturbing.. :/
Heff	Posted - 2003.10.11 18:03:00 - [226] Quote: Also, don't rule out the possibility of Heff and/or Dora just lies. We have both given CCP permission to reveal if it was us who had anything to do with this. We have nothing to hide. The fact that our BPs are missing is not in dispute. The question is: how did they disappear. Options: 1) Our labs were unrented, the BPs didn't get ejected, and the next person who rented the labs got some free BPs. Comments: Possible. One of my corpmates has replicated this and was able to get a BP out of a vacated lab that did not belong to him. Others on the forums have seen this as well. We have had prior instances of labs unrenting themselves in the middle of a long research or copy job. For some reason, the labs did not realize that they were actively being used. Our CEO did get mail that the leases were canceled due ot lack of use so I don't doubt this happened. 2) A thief had legit access to our secure hangar and took the BPs fair and square. Comment: Highly doubtful. We monitor access rights constantly. If someone had access to our secure hangar, they would have taken everything in it (not just those BPs that were in the labs). Also, you cannot turn off your own access rights to anything. If a thief did have those rights, he would still have them now and nobody does. 3) A thief unrented our labs and used an "exploit" to manipulate how the BPs got installed/ejected to a non-secure hangar so he could get access to them. Comments: Likely. A number of people in the game know how to do this. It only requires 'view' access to a given hangar (which is what we grant our members). 4) Someone hacked our accounts and took the BPs using our characters. Comment: Doubtful. Our accounts hold significant cash (ISK) and none of it is missing. As far as I can tell, that's it. Of course there can be variations to each of the above themes, extra wrinkles, etc. But those are the most likely scenarios. After talking to many players, replicating certain results, looking at member access rights, looking at emails, etc; I am convinced scenario #3 holds the answer. Would that mean we had a thief in our ranks? Yes. Should he have been able to get our BPs? No. That is what we are expecting CCP to tell us. Heff
autoexec	Posted - 2003.10.11 18:18:00 - [227] Heff get your ass on Irc -- autoexec.eve "If your enemy defeats you by deceiving you, you were conquered by your own ignorance"
slothe	Posted - 2003.10.11 18:50:00 - [228] Please return them whoever has them. Dont want to lose another decent corp. Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
Velsharoon	Posted - 2003.10.11 19:34:00 - [229] While ive never even seen a member of PE i have to add my support for Heff and Co, i have been following this since the thread was first started and i am very disapointed to see that there has been no conclusion to the problem. Hope this all gets sorted out soon the suspense is killing me
Deloup Drakar	Posted - 2003.10.11 20:13:00 - [230] And here is our admittance to the exploit: --------------- Warning for corporations and their blueprints There is currently an exploit where corporation members with factory access can steal blueprints from their corporation hangar floors. We warn all corporations out there to take factory management access from everyone who you do not trust for valuable blueprints belonging to corporations. The people that have used this exploit to steal blueprints from corporations can be traced down and will be dealt with. --------------- Hopefully now CCP/the GMs will return your BPs to you Heff. Unfortunatly something like this had to happen to get this fixed, but it was definatly the best thing to do (reveal your plight to the public and put pressure to CCP). I think I might speak for alot of CEO's and hard-working corp-members out there in saying "Thank you for bringing this up and giving the rest of us a warning 4 days ahead of CCP"
Victoria Madison	Posted - 2003.10.11 20:25:00 - [231] I really hope that this means that Playboy's blueprints will finally be returned. Hang in there Heff and Dora...hopefully the end is near.
Samsson	Posted - 2003.10.11 20:43:00 - [232] I think Heff has gone way above what he should have to do to get renumeration. The ball is in CCPs court I hope they dont drop it.
Durus	Posted - 2003.10.11 22:23:00 - [233] Edited by: Durus on 11/10/2003 22:24:00 A game is just a game, no matter how you want to make it 'real' it's becoming more and more like a game! After seeing pages and pages of replies for this thread I just can't help myself laughing. Yes, it is painful to lose all those BPs after weeks and months of dedication and hard work. Every corp member would be disheartened (not just the CEOs or directors). But letÆs face it; itÆs an exploit not a bug. You should take your hat off and bow to the exploiter who had the brain to do what he had done. There is always an exploit some where and this is the beauty about EVE. As in æreal lifeÆ, there are loop-holes in every system. You just have to keep patching those holes with new laws and legislations. Unfortunately in æreal lifeÆ God (or the GMs) did not seem to appear from the sky and said æthis is an exploit and therefore anyone doing this will be dealt with. By the way, these were yours. You can have them backÆ. What has been done cannot be undone. If you are the type of man the majority of people who replied to your post think you are, you should not quit. You have the talents and the ability to build your corp to where it is now. The strength of a corp is not based on how many BPs or ISK you have but on the dedication, cooperation and strength of all your corp members. They are your true assets. Together you can all rebuild and be stronger after this ælittleÆ set-back. Finally stop bashing CCP on every bug or exploit that you see. There is no such thing as a æperfectÆ world out there. How many times does CCP have to tell people not to trust anyone? Test everything out and donÆt take things for granted. Better be safe than sorry! You can pray but God can get very busy too.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.11 22:31:00 - [234] Edited by: Jash Illian on 11/10/2003 22:39:36 Quote: Edited by: Durus on 11/10/2003 22:24:00 A game is just a game, no matter how you want to make it 'real' it's becoming more and more like a game! After seeing pages and pages of replies for this thread I just can't help myself laughing. Yes, it is painful to lose all those BPs after weeks and months of dedication and hard work. Every corp member would be disheartened (not just the CEOs or directors). But letÆs face it; itÆs an exploit not a bug. You should take your hat off and bow to the exploiter who had the brain to do what he had done. There is always an exploit some where and this is the beauty about EVE. As in æreal lifeÆ, there are loop-holes in every system. You just have to keep patching those holes with new laws and legislations. Unfortunately in æreal lifeÆ God (or the GMs) did not seem to appear from the sky and said æthis is an exploit and therefore anyone doing this will be dealt with. By the way, these were yours. You can have them backÆ. What has been done cannot be undone. If you are the type of man the majority of people who replied to your post think you are, you should not quit. You have the talents and the ability to build your corp to where it is now. The strength of a corp is not based on how many BPs or ISK you have but on the dedication, cooperation and strength of all your corp members. They are your true assets. Together you can all rebuild and be stronger after this ælittleÆ set-back. Finally stop bashing CCP on every bug or exploit that you see. There is no such thing as a æperfectÆ world out there. How many times does CCP have to tell people not to trust anyone? Test everything out and donÆt take things for granted. Better be safe than sorry! You can pray but God can get very busy too. ^- Polaris Alt It's not just about it being a game. It's about in that game suddenly having 85% of what a good sized group of people worked for disappear overnight. It's about seeking assistance in finding out what happened and having it go on for 2 weeks with little action. It's about when finally getting a response it's a nameless, faceless mail saying that someone you've known for years backstabbed you. Without providing any supporting evidence to counter the plentiful supporting evidence that this world is far from perfect. It's about having one of those involved with telling you your real life friend backstabbed you without offering any supporting evidence come into a thread with an arrogant declaration of how your real life friend was the culprit and not the software he's supposed to support. Although he softened it with an apology first (sorta like wrapping a feather around a brick before clubbing someone in the back of the head with it). I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Mojo JoJo	Posted - 2003.10.11 22:46:00 - [235] Quote: Finally stop bashing CCP on every bug or exploit that you see. There is no such thing as a æperfectÆ world out there. How many times does CCP have to tell people not to trust anyone? i think this just shows that the first person not to trust is ccp/ but this is nothing new
Xelios	Posted - 2003.10.11 23:55:00 - [236] And 2 weeks later, Playboy is still without blueprints. Amazing.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.10.12 01:06:00 - [237] Jash pretty much sums it up for me Mai's Idealog
Shaelin Corpius	Posted - 2003.10.12 01:09:00 - [238] Durus....You must be a NOOB, you don't even have a clue what it takes to get all that stuff do you. Yes there are loop holes in everything in life. But, when one is found, an explanation is needed. One has been given. So now what? No one knows? Were not trying to bash CCP, most of us love this game, and deal with those exploits and loopholes on a constant basis. How bout this, go make 100bil with your corp mates and make some major plans and goals. Then just give it to me. And tell your buddies that you don't have it anymore and that they are just screwed. You think ppl will want answers? Yes. You think everyone who is in that corp might up and quit? Maybe. You probably read about 2 threads in this whole situation didn't you. Its not just about the items, even though they are the most expensive items in the game right now. Its about the PR that needs to happen when things go awry. Quick and Simple. Thats all we wanted to know. These guys have been put in limbo for a while now. And Cheers to them for being so diligent. Does that not show you anything, that they do care about what happens. Only a true Noob who has no clues to anything would put up a reply like that. I bet some of these threads are from some noobs, and they understand whats going on. And if you are not a noob, shame on you for not being in support of something this tragic, cause if it happened to you, i bet you'd be sitting right here in there shoes, wondering whats going on. You Eve lifes work gone. Man you just don't get it.
Miru	Posted - 2003.10.12 03:16:00 - [239] This will not get me any Brownie points, I am sure but to SOME of the following persons: Pann, Tomb, Customer service, GM's of various levels, Which of you is wearing that "MAGIC HAT" this week ?? If you can read anything beyond cursing ( which always seems to bring some responce quickly - check the posts here for proof ) WHY have you not replied to the two people that you are slurring. I am a nobody, but a paying customer and your treatment of this is (was going to list all the words for it but dont have days lets say pityful) Here is a hint this is not gettting swept under the rug, you will get more and more flames unless of course you really pull a bonehead move and kill the thread. (then the flaming will likely become a raging fire) This is one time that even foes are together You are wrong in the way this has been handled, time to surrender, do the right thing. I love this game but this affair Stinks (aside to josh this is not about replacement anymore it is more about assasination by innuendo and THAT is wrong). Miru just a poor miner that is ****ed off. Heff and Dora you have my best wishes and hopes that CCP will wake up.
Muad' Dib	Posted - 2003.10.12 05:52:00 - [240] CCP?

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