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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.10.08 07:10:00 -
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check the entire corps access profiles again
in addition, check who can grant which roles, possible althought someone does have access they couldgrant it, nick stuff, remove it, to cover their tracks
if it the unrent and rerent thing, it is a game bug, u should get the stuff back, it would howevere be possible that when someone rented a lab they may not have realised the gift they got, maybe the have lower fodler access for their and not max.sec.folder and havent seen the 'gift'
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.10.08 09:24:00 -
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Heff did anyone else have access to that hangar than yourself and that other person? Then im not talking about take access but view access. If so did that same person have access to cancel/start research jobs?
If this is the case there is a way to effectively steal blueprints. Im not going to say how but Heff, if this is the case message me in-game.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.10.08 10:59:00 -
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Heff - terribly sorry for you to happen! I really hope CCP will help you asap! This kind of bugs should be dealt with instantly!!
Moreover, a bit more help by GM¦s would be appreciated. I mean, a big load of ship bp origs including BS ... damn, thats a big load of TIME spent.
GL guys!
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.10.08 13:24:00 -
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
PsychoBitch
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Posted - 2003.10.08 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Psycho***** on 08/10/2003 13:39:53
This is just the sort of incompetence that CCP is famous for. This is destroying our corp.
This certainly isn't good for anyone else either. Prove to me it is not a bug. The least they could have done is followup and tell us IF someone unrented the hangerand it is not a bug, who? If someone traded the BP's, who? Is CCP THAT stupid? I'll answer that one.
Offices for sale: http://www.grafweb.com/playboy/pb_offices.htm
Psycho*****
Chnnl: PLAYBOY
E-ml: [email protected]
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.10.08 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Psycho***** on 08/10/2003 13:39:53
This is just the sort of incompetence that CCP is famous for. This is destroying our corp.
This certainly isn't good for anyone else either. Prove to me it is not a bug. The least they could have done is followup and tell us IF someone unrented the hangerand it is not a bug, who? If someone traded the BP's, who? Is CCP THAT stupid? I'll answer that one.
I have to say that I was caught in a situation similar to this, but not anywhere near as serious, where money appeared in the wrong person's account. The person at the other end claimed to have never received any money and to not be able to open their wallet and not to be getting responses to petitions. I asked for CCP (polaris/gm) to just tell the other person whether or not they had received the money and if it had been transferred into someone elses account to tell them that. None of that would have been information they couldn't gained if they'd been able to open their wallet and I wasn't asking anything from the GMs other than to confirm to me that they'd passed on this information. At least then I would have been satisified that the money had been grabbed rather than having someone frustratingly deny that they knew nothing about it. In the end we just declared war on them, in that respect it was at least fortunate we had a target to attack.
I hope that the same thing doesn't end up happening to you - I think the GM's role shouldn't just be to say 'sorry there's no bug' they should also be able to explain what has happened to players. If you have been robbed 'fair and square' then they could at least tell you that even if they don't tell you the name. As it is it just leaves players up in the air and annoyed for reasons that have nothing to do with being robbed (which obviously is really annoying in itself).
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Panacea Dollar
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Posted - 2003.10.08 14:16:00 -
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there has to be a bug involved
Come on this is CCP we're talking about. They test their code to death before release... |
Datsevlu
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Posted - 2003.10.08 14:50:00 -
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Heff I may have something that can help you out. We have taken away factory operation from many because of this bug but I am not going to post the bug that I found here because it could be used as an exploit to rip off a corp. And this can be done if the member has read access to the hanger where the bp is and lab access. So convo me in game I am putting in a bug report after I post this.
-- Datsevlu
Blow'em up we'll build more.
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PsychoBitch
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Posted - 2003.10.08 15:08:00 -
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CCP=incompetence
that can't be right, can it?
Offices for sale: http://www.grafweb.com/playboy/pb_offices.htm
Psycho*****
Chnnl: PLAYBOY
E-ml: [email protected]
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.10.08 15:08:00 -
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there has to be a bug involved
Come on this is CCP we're talking about. They test their code to death before release...
And their bug testers are a team of highly skilled professionals...
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.10.08 15:28:00 -
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HEY CCP!!!!
Please wake up and help Heff find his blueprints so that I, Victoria Madison, can finally be proclaimed Miss September!!
psst...hey Heff, I'm helping all I can. 
Hey, i think we arnt seeing the real tradgedy here, WOOOOOOO, your hot, fancy a date vicky ?
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Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.08 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 08/10/2003 15:55:21
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Heff did anyone else have access to that hangar than yourself and that other person? Then im not talking about take access but view access. If so did that same person have access to cancel/start research jobs?
If this is the case there is a way to effectively steal blueprints. Im not going to say how but Heff, if this is the case message me in-game.
Vegeta, yes, many people had 'view' access to the secure hangar and many people had access to start and stop production/lab jobs. We always wanted to allow people to build from our secure blueprints without being able to take them. It was just my understanding that BPs would ALWAYS eject to the hangar they were installed from (in this case, the very secure one). If some other combo of access rights creates the ability to swipe BPs, then that is just simply ridiculous. Based on what I'm hearing, it sounds like someone with only view access can do this:
1) Start a production job since only 'view' access is required.
2) Cancel that production job
3) Blueprints go somewhere other than the secure hangar.
So effectively, someone without take access can still take the blueprints. I invite everyone to go try it then maybe CCP will figure it out.
Whatever the case, it's over now. Heff and his very successful combat alt are calling it quits.
I may poke around here in the next few days to see what happens, but I've already divested myself from the game. It causes way to much grief for what it's worth.
Heff
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.10.08 15:54:00 -
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Only other thing I can think of (besides the highly possible bug in the game) is, someone gained access to you or your friend's account information somehow. Or someone was over at his/your place while he/you were online and in a differnt room and took control of the PC.
Don't rule out a problem outside of the game that is a bit more criminal in RL.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2003.10.08 16:08:00 -
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CCP never gave us anything, lost to the bugs, back... and that's including a Rupture BP.
I pettitioned, like 3-4 months ago, and they said they would investigate it, never heard anything back from them.
Now back than that was 25 mill... 25 mill is not much today, but it sure would have helped to have it back than.
So everytime I see people leaving this game I don't blame them.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.08 16:13:00 -
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I remember a while ago (I thought that crap was fixed...) there was a bug in which in certain auto-unrenting cases, a BP would pop into the 7th division hangar (what used to be the factory hangar before they completely got rid of any distinction between hangars.)
In Xanadu, our most valued BPs are only kept in personal hangars and used in personal slots of the execs. (Examples: My Thorax original, the corp's Scorp original.) It can sometimes be difficult, but when members want to produce one of the restricted items themselves they ask those with access for a copy. It's safest that way, as inconvenient as it can sometimes be.
Good Luck Heff.
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Ezra Cornell
pe0n, Xanadu Corporation |
Teen
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Posted - 2003.10.08 17:03:00 -
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Miss August hereby officially announces her support for Playboy and Heff in this matter. CCP, please fix this as soon as possible, the mansion has been no fun since this happened :P.
And Heff, don't quit! I want more playmates! ;)
Miss August 2003 - http://eve.unnerf.com/ |
GM sw00sh
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Posted - 2003.10.08 17:24:00 -
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Just to set the record straight, this is not a bug.
We can't name any names, but the corp in question should really look within their own ranks for the culprit. We know exactly where the blueprints are at this moment, and they did not just *vanish*
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.08 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 08/10/2003 17:33:19
"Just to set the record straight, this is not a bug.
We can't name any names, but the corp in question should really look within their own ranks for the culprit. We know exactly where the blueprints are at this moment, and they did not just *vanish*"
... I think the question is then, did the unnamed person get in possession of the blueprints because they were granted the rights necessary for that and abused that trust... or because they took advantage of some mentioned here earlier and undocumented quirk of the BP-handling and hangar access mechanics?
If the latter, then it'd seem CCP still bears at least some responsibility for the situation and should perhaps cooperate more openly in rectifying it.... o.O
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Dau Imperius
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Posted - 2003.10.08 17:33:00 -
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Alright let me be the first one to say this to the GM since they keep saying they know:
THEN TELL HEFF AND THEM FOR CHRIST SAKES!
Jeez, I know you all have rough jobs with this game and us pushy players but this is a whole corp and perhaps players you'll be losing if you don't help them out.
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Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.08 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 08/10/2003 17:37:34
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Just to set the record straight, this is not a bug.
We can't name any names, but the corp in question should really look within their own ranks for the culprit. We know exactly where the blueprints are at this moment, and they did not just *vanish*
That is fine. But through a combination of activites listed above, someone without secure hangar access was able to get secure materials. Starting/stopping, renting/unrenting, etc. can all be used creatively to get something out of a 'view only' hangar.
It really does not matter anymore. If we were ripped off fair and square, my hat's off to the thief. You win, I lose, and Eve loses another group of players. No big deal.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.08 17:34:00 -
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Just to set the record straight, this is not a bug.
We can't name any names, but the corp in question should really look within their own ranks for the culprit. We know exactly where the blueprints are at this moment, and they did not just *vanish*
Sw00sh, I hate to be a pain in the ass (actually I quite enjoy it) but given the fact that the security logging features that would tell CEOs, Directors and those with auditing access just what Heff needs to know aren't working properly, have you considered that it's wholly appropriate to give him that information?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Datsevlu
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Posted - 2003.10.08 17:36:00 -
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GM - I would believe them on this they did prove to me that my problem with our bp was not a bug, but I have log in access to all the core members that have access to that hanger and was able to go through the journal to find where the problem was. But even knowing that there is a valid bug that I have tested that you can remove a bp from a secure hanger and no one would ever know. We are changing our security measures to compensate for this exploitable bug, until I get a response on my bug report that I placed today. I will not list the details because of the possible expliot. But if your bp's are in your personal hanger this cannot happen.
-- Datsevlu
Blow'em up we'll build more.
Techell's ingame site |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.08 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 08/10/2003 17:37:34
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Just to set the record straight, this is not a bug.
We can't name any names, but the corp in question should really look within their own ranks for the culprit. We know exactly where the blueprints are at this moment, and they did not just *vanish*
That is fine. But through a combination of activites listed above, someone without secure hangar access was able to get secure materials. Starting/stopping, renting/unrenting, etc. can all be used creatively to get something out of a 'view only' hangar.
It really does not matter anymore. If we were ripped off fair and square, my hat's off to the thief. You win, I lose, and Eve loses another group of players. No big deal.
Well...Heff, I hate to say this but short of knowing who has the blueprints it's not certain that the 2nd person with access doesn't have them. Unless that 2nd person is your alt.
That's the information that is needed to claim a bug:
Proof Positive that the 2 people that had the access aren't the ones who did it. Or didn't accidently give access to the theif in the first place (another feature of the auditing log that's impossible to use)
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Xelios
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Posted - 2003.10.08 17:53:00 -
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I've never really researched anything before, but I know with manufacturing you have to specify the hanger the blueprints will return to when you're done don't you? Is it the same for research?
If I don't know what I'm talking about feel free to say so, I haven't played EVE in a month due to RL issues and I've never been much of a blueprint handler in the first place, I just shoot things =P
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Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.08 17:54:00 -
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Well...Heff, I hate to say this but short of knowing who has the blueprints it's not certain that the 2nd person with access doesn't have them. Unless that 2nd person is your alt.
That 2nd person is Dora (our CEO) who has been my longtime friend of 10+ years. We are both leaving the game so I doubt it was him.
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nails
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Posted - 2003.10.08 18:11:00 -
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Sad to see this happen :(
with the hangers our ships are in, everyone either as query access, or factory access, not both. If they can use the factory slots, I have to make those hangers unviewable to them. Of course this is only for ships. copys of all the ammo/gun/drone prints are kept in another station in a hanger everyone can access.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.10.08 18:19:00 -
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Sorry Heff but the bug Datsevlu speaks off, you can get any blueprint out of any hangar if you have access to install it to a production/research run and if you have view access to the hangar.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.08 18:21:00 -
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Well...Heff, I hate to say this but short of knowing who has the blueprints it's not certain that the 2nd person with access doesn't have them. Unless that 2nd person is your alt.
That 2nd person is Dora (our CEO) who has been my longtime friend of 10+ years. We are both leaving the game so I doubt it was him.
Hmm..then I'd say press the GMs for details of how it happened since Sw00sh insists there's no bug involved. If there's no bug involved and the auditing tools were working properly, you'd have that information and be able to decipher what happened yourself.
Or if you want to wait, there's a CSM meeting tonight. If nobody asks, I will. Or any question you'd want asked instead.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Xelios
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Posted - 2003.10.08 18:40:00 -
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CCP should give the blueprints back. Even if they were stolen by someone in your corp they should not have had the ability to steal them. The bug Datsevlu described should be reason enough for a refund, it's clear if someone has only view access to a hanger and the ability only to create reasearch jobs using prints from that hanger they shouldn't be able to just take them. If they don't have take access there should be no way for them to take the prints, regardless of whether or not they can start research.
In fact, I remember a dev talking about this a while ago, and he said people would be able to start research or manufacturing from a hanger they only have view access to, thereby letting people use blueprints without putting them in jeopardy of being stolen. Seems that's exactly what Heff tried to set up, but due to a bug in the code the blueprints were no longer secure as they should have been.
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Heff
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Posted - 2003.10.08 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Heff on 08/10/2003 18:49:01
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Hmm..then I'd say press the GMs for details of how it happened since Sw00sh insists there's no bug involved. If there's no bug involved and the auditing tools were working properly, you'd have that information and be able to decipher what happened yourself.
Or if you want to wait, there's a CSM meeting tonight. If nobody asks, I will. Or any question you'd want asked instead.
The fact that anybody can get any BP out of a secure hangar even if they only have 'view' access is a problem. It may not ba a bug in the coding, but is in an oversite. 'View' access was intended to allow players to use BPs without running off with them. As the code works now, they can. In the spirit of the game and how it is intended to work, this is very very wrong. The program is doing what it is programmed to do, it just likely wasn't intended to work that way.
Yes please, bring this up in the chat tonight. Now that this is in the open, you can bet it is going to occur more often and more people will be burned. Talk about a mass exodus -- our corp is already falling apart and more will follow.
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