Sure, that'd be great. Won't fix the problem of new players finding a home though.

You are reading the wrong stuffs.

"There seems to be a strong suggestion that you will soon no longer be able to "legally" shoot corpmates, and the implication seems to be that shooting corpmates will be a criminal act in highsec that will be met with CONCORD retribution."


The only ones saying awoxing is going to disappear are the ones who don't like the fact that the only baseless thing that was mentioned was that now Concord would step in.



Which translates into someone not wanting to awox anymore because they will lose their ship as well.

Then it's a sad change. Eve is at it's most beautiful and enticing when she is at her most brutal... If we keep going like this then soon there wont be any risk at all left in highsec and that is not what eve is about.

A concord response is not warranted here. Does this mean that training ops for corps now have to take place in low sec or null and that if I engage my corp-mates whilst training I will lose security status as well as my ship?

If so it's going to break a huge chunk of the game.

Then it's a sad change. Eve is at it's most beautiful and enticing when she is at her most brutal... If we keep going like this then soon there wont be any risk at all left in highsec and that is not what eve is about.

A concord response is not warranted here. Does this mean that training ops for corps now have to take place in low sec or null and that if I engage my corp-mates whilst training I will lose security status as well as my ship?

If so it's going to break a huge chunk of the game.

i think fozzie wants you to use the dueling mechanic instead.

Hey look, it's a slippery slope fallacy.

This change would literally only effect hisec. Seriously. That's it. Want to shoot your mates in low/null/wh? Go nuts. There is otherwise no impact anywhere else with this.

how many high sec nerfs do there have to be for it to stop being a fallacy?

cos like, i'm not sure there's much left to nerf.

edit: or at least, there won't be if ccp get their way.

how many high sec nerfs do there have to be for it to stop being a fallacy?

cos like, i'm not sure there's much left to nerf.

edit: or at least, there won't be if ccp get their way.

You can still awox.

There's like 16 pages about how this is a hisec buff. Are you sure it's a nerf? Or are we at the point of the discussion where we're just throwing things out and hoping something resonates?

I'm very late to this thread. Obviously I have not been lurking enough on this forum. I have skim read much of the thread and I am a little perturbed by the removal of legitimately shooting corpmates in high sec.

When I first started playing Eve I came into the game with a small group of gamers from another game - A RTCW clan from memory. We set up a little corp in high sec to run missions together to make isk and fund our ventures into low sec.

We tested a range game play styles on each other:

Could a blackbird with multi specs and raven pin down a solo Vagabond.
Could 3 insta locking hurricanes take down inties and coverts ops on gates.
How long can a domi with sentries and a scimitar keep a caracal alive in a level 3 mission when a gank fit thrasher shows up?

Can any of these situations be simulated via the current dueling system?

You can still awox.

The only change is now you will have to decide are the tears worth the value of my ship.

For you...looks like the answer is you aren't ready to lose your ship.

No tears for you.

I keep seeing people thinking that Logi creates aggression which will get you Concorded.

The only time you'll be concorded for Logi, is if you rep someone with a criminal flag, in high sec.

There's like 16 pages about how this is a hisec buff. Are you sure it's a nerf? Or are we at the point of the discussion where we're just throwing things out and hoping something resonates?

Can one of the opposition explain to me WHY it makes sense that I can shoot a guy in my corp but not a stranger? Why concord will react to one incident and not the other?

Can be done in null or low sec.

But that would involve you leaving the safety of hi-sec.

Safety of hi-sec...........really.


You want to be able to practice to shoot someone in safety.

Really.


And the one being called carebear is the one being shot........really people.

Because, in the case of corp mates, you made a decision to associate with them, where as you don't necessarily have
that discretion when coming across strangers. If you make a decision to associate with someone in a formal manner (joining / forming a corp), CONCORD won't interfere when and if corp mates start blasting each other.

Mind you, I have not taken position on this matter; I'm merely suggesting a rationale (flimsy as it may be).

That being said, I find there have been good ideas and suggestions in this thread. Two of them I particularly enjoyed:

1) a prohibitive tax in NPC corps

2) removing the ability to dodge wardecs (having a wardec follow an individual for an amount of time - a week, perhaps -
seems to have some traction)

Something I'd like to see, if this comes to be, is an option for a corporation to set an "unsafe" mode: corp mates can
shoot at each other without outside parties (CONCORD) interfering. Rationale: "fleet training exercices with live ammunition".

Could this be used for vile purposes ?? Obviously. EVE is cold and unforgiving (so says PR). It does give a means for
HIGH-SEC corps' to gain some added security (without being 100% safe, as that must never happen), while allowing
those who choose so to forego this added security.

Just musing out loud here.

Wow thanks for reply. I am however surprised by the aggression you are venting on me.

The above occurrences are some of the fun moments I had as a new Eve player 8 years ago. My post was querying whether new players who come into the game now will have the option of learning the principles of PVP in a safe environment before venturing out into uncontrolled space.

New pilots who wish to learn are gold in this game. If removing the ability to practise shooting your friends makes learning pvp harder for new players it will make it harder for players to gain the basic skills needed in low or 0.0.

If the dueling system allows a range of possible options 6 vs 2, late arrivals after duel has started etc by all means remove the ability of players to ruin a corp for mere giggles with no consequence.

If the dueling system can not allow a full range of PVP options that a new player will face in low then it needs to be modified hand in hand with awox removing.

Is that ok with you Syn Shi?

You can still awox.

repping awoxers incurs nothing, and that's what's so broken about the whole thing.

You can still awox. You will just lose a ship if they made the change.

There is nothing more to this topic.

Why are you against losing your ship if you awox?

You can still awox. You will just lose a ship if they made the change.

There is nothing more to this topic.

Why are you against losing your ship if you awox?

You know what... nerf all of hi-sec. Make it as safe as the carebear wants. Issue pillows... but reduce the amount of ISK that can be made there. Simple.

This is basically the solution to all of EVE's problems.

Presuming that people who rat or mine in the ultra safe blue donut, Deklein for example, or in renterland, somehow "deserve" higher rewards than people in highsec because they are "exposed" to more risk.

The continued misuse of the word 'awox' in this thread has me in quite a state. Check your history, almost all of you are wrong.

This change would literally only effect hisec. Seriously. That's it. Want to shoot your mates in low/null/wh? Go nuts. There is otherwise no impact anywhere else with this.

I don't see why you think this word games are in any way a good argument or comment. If you have a problem understanding what some people mean with "awoxing" of "safari" in the context of this thread or the CSM minutes then you have a serious issue and should stop posting.