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Josef Djugashvilis 2638	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:17:52 - [241] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Also, Syn Shi made a very good point. They aren't removing awoxing. You can still find and gank high value targets via infiltration. No, that's just suicide ganking. That existed before, and I can do 100% it without being in their corp beforehand. Also, as a largely solo player, my choice of targets is sharply limited by the unreasonable restrictions on this playstyle. While on the other hand, wardecs are toothless. Stop with the disingenuous nonsense already. [edit: I am a solo player largely due to time constraints from my irl job. That's why this pisses me off so much, because as such a player, awoxing is the ONE way that I can inflict meaningful loss on people who would otherwise suffer exactly zero losses. Why should they get to be immune? Why is their sub worth more than mine? Why should their petty peace of mind merit the removal of my playstyle? If I may take the liberty of of paraphrasing the delightfully always angry Kaarous: - It's all about me and what I want. This is not a signature.
John Ratcliffe Sarumans Hand 281	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:19:51 - [242] - Quote Marsha Mallow wrote: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: "Ali adds that some people stay because they were ganked." Amen Ali. Amen. +1. Missions were boring, mining was boring, but being ganked made me upgrade from a trial. Veers Belvar wrote: There were 3 main reasons that have deterred me from joining Highsec corps - 1. Awoxxing 2. Wardeccs 3. Theft Even if CCP knocks off reason 1, I still think 2 and 3 are a pretty big deterrent to joining corps, and a good reason for many to stay in NPC/1 man corps. None of those put me off, if anything they added new tiers of gameplay. But I'm in a corp with the folk who wardecced my old one nearly 6 years ago, one of whom still gleefully likes to remind me how I tried to fight him once in a ship with no mods fitted >.> Looking at that list, even if all of those things were addressed you'll probably be able to think of some more. There is a clear need to improve the NPE and retention rates, but wrapping rookies in additional layers does nothing but delay the inevitable tantrum when they realise they can't control every aspect of their interraction with others. Honestly, dumbing down the non-consensual elements of gameplay won't make the risk-averse babbies suddenly turn into sociable players. They just want to farm in instance syle themepark areas, and I don't see why the rest of us should tolerate it. It's disgusting. If CCP want to address the core issue that the majority of highsec residents are gibbering lunatics Remove NPC corps Remove Concord Remove Highsec Stick rookies in a starter system and don't let them out until they've killed 10 other rookies Remove all forms of PVE and make all materials come from combat drops from other players. Get rid of passive skilltraining. I want lootable SP too. What a load of stupid ideas. You are clearly trolling. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Dave stark 7084	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:20:14 - [243] - Quote i assume the tl;dr is that it's easier to add concord to corp on corp violence, rather than fix the issue that repping corp on corp violence doesn't trigger suspect flags?
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2925	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:21:21 - [244] - Quote Xuixien wrote: Persifonne wrote: When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point. No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs. In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held. Dark souls the mmo. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 21312	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:21:48 - [245] - Quote Dersen Lowery wrote: Thanks for the toothsome reply. You're welcome. "Quick question: how do you know what an API is, and how do you provide a full one? Where did you learn that? [Not anywhere in game! " Back when I was a wee nubbin I applied to join a corp, I didn't know what an API was so I asked about the what, how and why. The recruiter explained it in great detail. "How do you balance that with the opposite concern, that the joining player doesn't entirely trust the corp he's joining and, for whatever reason, wants to maintain a certain degree of privacy at least initially? I can see where you're coming from but trust works both ways, and in a game like Eve trust is a valuable commodity. I think of an API as a R+¬sum+¬ or CV. Would you refuse to give a potential employer a copy of those because you're worried about privacy? "I mean, if you reduce corporate recruiting to a choice between making every potential recruit strip for a full colonoscopy and losing everything to some alt with a glint in his eye, isn't that a little broken by itself?" In a world where shooting your competitors in the face is an acceptable business practice I would say no, and Eve is one of those worlds. "Is it any wonder that most of the people who stay in this game are people more like me, who knew exactly which people from which out-of-game community they were going to play with when they came in?"That's a hard one to answer. Certainly there are a lot of players who come from outside communities, but there's just as many that don't and still stay, I'm one of them. "If you're someone like me who prefers to learn by doing how and where do you learn to run a corp? " I feel that anybody who is running a corp that is looking to recruit others should at least have an understanding of game mechanics before they consider recruiting those who do not. In short learn the game first, then progress to running a corp. "How tolerant should the game be of mistakes, given that most players learn from mistakes?" I could argue the toss on the latter part of that statement , there's many that refuse to learn by their mistakes and expect CCP to wrap them in cotton wool instead. "I'm asking questions because I'm not going to pretend that they all have clear-cut answers, or certainly that I know the answers there are. But they're real questions that CCP has to find answers to." Agreed, on all points. "I'll just say that I have great confidence in the ability of EVE players--certainly including new players!--to be diabolical little bastards, and I mean that in the best way possible." So do I "OK, you're a total newbie. You just joined cold because you liked the tagline in the EVE web ad. You don't know anyone. What do you do?" Ask, while there are many asshats in the NPC corps who will tell newbies that "gankers are evil", "lowsec is evil" "you should mine or mission" etc; there are just as many who will encourage newbies to explore ALL of the possibilities open to them and to find something they enjoy. CCP could certainly do a better job of pointing newbies to decent information sources, both in and out of game. It comes to something when CCP staff use the Eve Uni Wiki over their own (which is hilariously outdated) "The part I've highlighted is a very serious issue with the NPE" Indeed it is, I think the NPE should make it very very clear that Eve is an extremely competitive and cut throat game, where losing your ship and stuff at the hands of others is a very common occurrence. They should also make it just as clear that highsec is not a safe zone, that Concord do not protect you, and that you are responsible for your own safety. "But here's the rub: you learn what EVE is from other players. So the sooner you put new players in touch with existing players, the sooner they learn what EVE is, one way or another." Agreed, the "corporation lite" idea that's been floating around wouldn't be a bad way to instigate this. One thing that needs to be done though is to discourage older players from discouraging newbies from exploring ALL of the possibilities, that in itself is griefing IMHO. "The current mechanics place obstacles between new players and existing players." They do, and they don't. It's hard to explain why though. "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2444	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:25:12 - [246] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Convince your target to take their raven or w/e into a wormhole with you. You're ****ing kidding me. You're in their corp, yes? You've gained their trust, yes? Start running wh ops and spread a little loot around. And then, kill a target when the opportune moment arises. Wouldn't be the first time this happened. Use some social engineering, or accept the consequence of shooting something in hisec. Dealer's choice. Bottom line is you can adapt or quit. If you choose the latter, dibs on your stuff. So... you actually think that PvP should require jumping through that many hoops, just to get the slightest chance to kill somebody? I just want to make sure you actually believe what you're telling me here, because I can barely believe it myself. You actually think pvp should require nothing more than joining some daft fool's corp? I just want to make sure you actually believe what you're telling me here, because I can barely believe it myself.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3164	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:25:40 - [247] - Quote As a "Raven leveler" I would just love that CCP gave me tools to play EVE my way. FAI, I would gladly sell and buy NPC services to and from players via LP and status. Those NPC services could affect other players (so "Raven levelers" could become "enablers") and would allow witty people to twist the game in different unforeseen directions (becoming "instigators"), without adding to the already endless list of "blow player stuff" activities. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1513	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:26:55 - [248] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: Yeah, It doesn't all make sense but that does not preclude me from liking it when it does. It does preclude you from pointing that finger at others. So let's knock off the "makes sense" bullshit, and talk about it on it's own merits, or lack thereof. I wish there was an EvE 'constitution' that was immutable from change by the CSM carebears of the day, and also guided CCP devs... Line 1 (IMHO) would read: "CCP shall implement no changes that reduce player conflict or content generation. If a proposed change decreases player conflict, it will be rejected. If it increases player conflict, it will be embraced" (Followed by the religious variant...Commandment #1...) "THOU SHALT PROTECT THE SANDBOX FROM THE CAREBEAR INFIDELS, LEST YE BE CAST INTO LAKES OF FIRE AND GNAWED ON BY KILLER RABBITS WITH BIG SHARP POINTY TEETH". tldr; I don't want WoW in space, implemented in slow continual paper-cuts here and there. CSM, CCP, protect the damned sandbox. Thank you for your attention. F Would you like to know more?
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space 10408	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:28:27 - [249] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: If I may take the liberty of of paraphrasing the delightfully always angry Kaarous: - It's all about me and what I want. Call me when they suggest the complete deletion of how you play the game.; "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space 10408	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:29:37 - [250] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: You actually think pvp should require nothing more than joining some daft fool's corp? I just want to make sure you actually believe what you're telling me here, because I can barely believe it myself. If you think that's all that awoxing entails, then you're a fool. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.

PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2445	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:30:54 - [251] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: You actually think pvp should require nothing more than joining some daft fool's corp? I just want to make sure you actually believe what you're telling me here, because I can barely believe it myself. If you think that's all that awoxing entails, then you're a fool. No, but it is the only aspect of awoxing that is modified by the proposed change.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space 10408	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:32:59 - [252] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: You actually think pvp should require nothing more than joining some daft fool's corp? I just want to make sure you actually believe what you're telling me here, because I can barely believe it myself. If you think that's all that awoxing entails, then you're a fool. No, but it is the only aspect of awoxing that is modified by the proposed change. No, I can still get into the their corps. Being able to do anything in any way after that is what is proposed to be removed. Hell, even with your asinine "lure them into a wormhole" suggestion, I can do that without being in their corp. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Marsha Mallow 1639	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:33:28 - [253] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Furthermore, CCP should not be concerned with the kind of people who "level their Raven and then quit", because they'd be quitting anyway. This game will never attract AND keep such people, they treat it like it's a Facebook game. Yes, but what if they didn't? Retaining even a small portion of the "upgrade your raven types" (~40% of new players as per CCP Rise at FF) could, over a modest time frame,significantly increase the quantity of targets in our sand box. Providing for these worthless souls, whether it be in the form of dojos/arenas, improved missions, reducing awoxing, etc. has the opportunity to vastly enrich the sandbox and is therefore a worthwhile pursuit. First the Mittens quote, now you're paraphrasing Gevlon. These people don't want a vastly enriched sandbox. They want highsec NPC corp titans and supercarriers to ponce about in. And end boss content. And gear. Seriously, these creatures deserve to be ganked, awoxed and slapped about until they either flounce off or see sense. Can I just point out that the King of the Nerds wrote that piece you keep linking critiquing CCP's NPE (which is indeed crap) but offered solutions which are really not that significant. The amusing bits were the jabs at CCP (Iceland is cold and dark), management make 'boneheaded' decisions (I thought that was the purpose of management, everywhere?) oh and 'gamers tend to make for awful businessmen'. That's a real shocker. I'll take the slightly inept but nerdtastic CCP over EA any day of the week, tyvm. Some of us play Eve because it's run by gamers for gamers, rather than a mainstream commercial FTP (take my wallet). If we're seeing the edges of a desperate trend here to retain subs at the expense of the spirit and integrity of the IP, it'll backfire badly. DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6567	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:34:56 - [254] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: "THOU SHALT PROTECT THE SANDBOX FROM THE CAREBEAR INFIDELS, LEST YE BE CAST INTO LAKES OF FIRE AND GNAWED ON BY KILLER RABBITS WITH BIG SHARP POINTY TEETH". Phoebe. 'nuff said. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:38:14 - [255] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes -walt witman personally I had issue when Concord popped me when I was running an incursion and ignored the Sansha. Yeah, It doesn't all make sense but that does not preclude me from liking it when it does. m The issue with concord is that it exists in the first place. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Syn Shi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 25	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:40:21 - [256] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes -walt witman personally I had issue when Concord popped me when I was running an incursion and ignored the Sansha. Yeah, It doesn't all make sense but that does not preclude me from liking it when it does. m The issue with concord is that it exists in the first place. I don't know about you but I think Goons have done a better job at removing pvp from the game than ccp or carebears have. Just look at Null. Translated for Goons: F1
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space 10409	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:41:42 - [257] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: I don't know about you but I think Goons have done a better job at removing pvp from the game than ccp or carebears have. You not so good at the thinks. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2445	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:42:45 - [258] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: You actually think pvp should require nothing more than joining some daft fool's corp? I just want to make sure you actually believe what you're telling me here, because I can barely believe it myself. Kaarous Aldurald wrote: No, I can still get into the their corps. Being able to do anything in any way after that is what is proposed to be removed. So, to be clear, what you're saying is you think that getting into somebody's corp is all you should have to do to be able to pvp some dudes.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6567	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:42:46 - [259] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: La Nariz wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes -walt witman personally I had issue when Concord popped me when I was running an incursion and ignored the Sansha. Yeah, It doesn't all make sense but that does not preclude me from liking it when it does. m The issue with concord is that it exists in the first place. I don't know about you but I think Goons have done a better job at removing pvp from the game than ccp or carebears have. Just look at Null. Most Goons are carebears. Just like the rest of null. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 8833	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:42:57 - [260] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Furthermore, CCP should not be concerned with the kind of people who "level their Raven and then quit", because they'd be quitting anyway. This game will never attract AND keep such people, they treat it like it's a Facebook game. Yes, but what if they didn't? Retaining even a small portion of the "upgrade your raven types" (~40% of new players as per CCP Rise at FF) could, over a modest time frame,significantly increase the quantity of targets in our sand box. Providing for these worthless souls, whether it be in the form of dojos/arenas, improved missions, reducing awoxing, etc. has the opportunity to vastly enrich the sandbox and is therefore a worthwhile pursuit. That's naive pie in the sky thinking. What they would contribute is -nothing- while taking up cpu cycles that could have been devoted to peolle who actually do contriubte. EVERY game that has done as you suggested suffered, every developer who thought like you paid for it. it's why their are so few games like EVe and even fewer that survive longer than 4 years. Worthless people are worthless no matter how much you cater to them. And non-worthless people don't NEED a game developer to help them along as they will find a way to do that for themelves so long as the games fundemental aspects are sound. What will happen is what is already happening with these last 5 years off development: CCP will make the game safer, the flood of people who they want to 'retain' won't stay (because no amount of appeasement or safety of NPE improvements will make EVE a game they want to play). Meanwhile the peole who actually like EVE and contribute to it's virtual society (both evil guys and the 'good guys' who revel in eluding them) will tire of seeing CCP screw up key aspects of this niche genre game in an effort to lure in more mainstream people who don't belong here in the 1st place.

La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:43:38 - [261] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: La Nariz wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes -walt witman personally I had issue when Concord popped me when I was running an incursion and ignored the Sansha. Yeah, It doesn't all make sense but that does not preclude me from liking it when it does. m The issue with concord is that it exists in the first place. I don't know about you but I think Goons have done a better job at removing pvp from the game than ccp or carebears have. Just look at Null. Translated for Goons: F1 :ccp: neglected it and we found the best ways to take advantage of mechanics. It took two parties to embrace the buttlord accord to so make sure you include pl/nc. In your terrible uninformed opinions. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 17440	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:45:30 - [262] - Quote La Nariz wrote: The issue with concord is that it exists in the first place. This. You can also take the word "concord" and replace it with "Highsec", "Insurance" , "Titans" or "Safety" and it still makes perfect sense. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:45:45 - [263] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: You actually think pvp should require nothing more than joining some daft fool's corp? I just want to make sure you actually believe what you're telling me here, because I can barely believe it myself. Kaarous Aldurald wrote: No, I can still get into the their corps. Being able to do anything in any way after that is what is proposed to be removed. So, to be clear, what you're saying is you think that getting into somebody's corp is all you should have to do to be able to pvp some dudes? Api exists and they could take 2 minutes to check to see if "ikillblues420" has killed corpmates instead of having :ccp: do it for them. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Krusty the Klown University of Caille Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:46:23 - [264] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I am a solo player largely due to time constraints from my irl job. That's why this pisses me off so much, because as such a player, awoxing is the ONE way that I can inflict meaningful loss on people who would otherwise suffer exactly zero losses. Why should they get to be immune? Why is their sub worth more than mine? Why should their petty peace of mind merit the removal of my playstyle? I'm genuinely curious but how would someone inflict meaningful losses to you? If I understand correctly that should be able to happen to anyone and everyone. The problem is, that the people are well aware what an awoxer can do and might have even experienced one themselves but cannot understand any of the risks involved. An awoxer is just seen as a guy who joins a corp until everyone is off the guard and shoots anyone with a valuable ship. Usually this is even done with an alt so it can be seen as there is no risk involved. Maybe you could explain the process a little?
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2445	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:48:13 - [265] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Api exists and they could take 2 minutes to check to see if "ikillblues420" has killed corpmates instead of having :ccp: do it for them. So what you're saying is a new player with a blank history, like that of an alt, should be deemed an unacceptable risk to many hisec social groups?
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:48:27 - [266] - Quote Krusty the Klown wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I am a solo player largely due to time constraints from my irl job. That's why this pisses me off so much, because as such a player, awoxing is the ONE way that I can inflict meaningful loss on people who would otherwise suffer exactly zero losses. Why should they get to be immune? Why is their sub worth more than mine? Why should their petty peace of mind merit the removal of my playstyle? I'm genuinely curious but how would someone inflict meaningful losses to you? If I understand correctly that should be able to happen to anyone and everyone. The problem is, that the people are well aware what an awoxer can do and might have even experienced one themselves but cannot understand any of the risks involved. An awoxer is just seen as a guy who joins a corp until everyone is off the guard and shoots anyone with a valuable ship. Usually this is even done with an alt so it can be seen as there is no risk involved. Maybe you could explain the process a little? By killing me while I am awoxing them, they aren't helpless and can fit guns to any ship with hard points. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:51:33 - [267] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: La Nariz wrote: Api exists and they could take 2 minutes to check to see if "ikillblues420" has killed corpmates instead of having :ccp: do it for them. So what you're saying is a new player with a blank history, like that of an alt, should be deemed an unacceptable risk to many hisec social groups? A new player wouldn't be able to fit anything to hurt you, zero risk. Their xenophobia is their own problem and yes it hurts newbies so maybe ccp aught to fix that instead of destroying potential for content. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2445	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:52:05 - [268] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Krusty the Klown wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I am a solo player largely due to time constraints from my irl job. That's why this pisses me off so much, because as such a player, awoxing is the ONE way that I can inflict meaningful loss on people who would otherwise suffer exactly zero losses. Why should they get to be immune? Why is their sub worth more than mine? Why should their petty peace of mind merit the removal of my playstyle? I'm genuinely curious but how would someone inflict meaningful losses to you? If I understand correctly that should be able to happen to anyone and everyone. The problem is, that the people are well aware what an awoxer can do and might have even experienced one themselves but cannot understand any of the risks involved. An awoxer is just seen as a guy who joins a corp until everyone is off the guard and shoots anyone with a valuable ship. Usually this is even done with an alt so it can be seen as there is no risk involved. Maybe you could explain the process a little? By killing me while I am awoxing them, they aren't helpless and can fit guns to any ship with hard points. Remind me, what do you tell new bros about ratting with neuts in local, something about pve fits not doing doing something or other too well in pvp....?
Krusty the Klown University of Caille Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:55:01 - [269] - Quote La Nariz wrote: By killing me while I am awoxing them, they aren't helpless and can fit guns to any ship with hard points. What if we assume you aren't completely incompetent and attack your target while he's in a mission ship / in the middle of mining where you are likely to have enough time to kill your target before reinforcements appear?
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:55:35 - [270] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: La Nariz wrote: Krusty the Klown wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I am a solo player largely due to time constraints from my irl job. That's why this pisses me off so much, because as such a player, awoxing is the ONE way that I can inflict meaningful loss on people who would otherwise suffer exactly zero losses. Why should they get to be immune? Why is their sub worth more than mine? Why should their petty peace of mind merit the removal of my playstyle? I'm genuinely curious but how would someone inflict meaningful losses to you? If I understand correctly that should be able to happen to anyone and everyone. The problem is, that the people are well aware what an awoxer can do and might have even experienced one themselves but cannot understand any of the risks involved. An awoxer is just seen as a guy who joins a corp until everyone is off the guard and shoots anyone with a valuable ship. Usually this is even done with an alt so it can be seen as there is no risk involved. Maybe you could explain the process a little? By killing me while I am awoxing them, they aren't helpless and can fit guns to any ship with hard points. Remind me, what do you tell new bros about ratting with neuts in local, something about pve fits not doing doing something or other too well in pvp....? They are newbees not newbros, reddit scum, I tell them to fleet up. In case you still can't tell or don't understand, numbers matter. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133



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