Nothing is being removed. The only change discussed was having Concord show up.

Which part of I am primarily a highsec PvE player did you not understand, I've never awoxed anybody, and I'm unlikely to.

Correct, and that swings both ways.

What game experience did you have? Or are you talking crap again?

Pot meet kettle

Still waiting.

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That story would have never happened if CONCORD showed up, so it follows that something will be removed.

So where do all the people whose main argument against this change find the ground to stand on . . . that by shifting a rule that made little sense (It is OK to go Postal if you are in a post office and work there) we are somehow moving away from what the game IS. It is like they are the apostles of a religion within the game but I cannot seem to find their holy book or church.

The story can still be written...you just choose to not write it.

Please explain how the esteemed Ned Thomas' story would have been the same if CONCORD had shown up.

Link to the esteemed Ned Thomas story.

Where's the rest of it?

It's a shame people pick on new players, right?

For the record, I hate the idea of removing the ability to shoot corp mates specifically because that story would have never happened if awoxing didn't exist. That story is why I bought my second subscription.

Here's another one. Don't bother reading Lucas, it has paragraphs.

We arranged an inter-corp tourney (frigs) and I accidentally started shooting before the countdown had expired. Popped someone early, said sorry, he didn't respond and flounced off. He came back in a BC, and without saying anything killed everyone, then podded a couple of people and legged it. This was a 5 year old player who did a lot of solo (who nobody particularly liked) while the majority of us were genuine rookies.

A few of us followed him upto a local hub and tried to smack him out, so he demanded 1v1s. We all hopped in our missions ships (bahaha) and he killed us one at a time. He convoed me, told us where we'd gone wrong in the fights and by that point most of us were laughing over it. He tried to make out he had a highgrade set in and thought we were going after his pod, but tbh he was just a prat.

Anyway, those who had lost implants were quite riled over it, so they went to the CEO (who was useless) and asked for the guy to be removed from corp. He refused, because the guy was a friend. So we packed up and joined a better corp. Most of the people involved still play, and we still snigger about that incident, whereas the original corp folded and a lot of the players quit early on. The only person who mentioned quitting over it was someone who had lost +4s so we clubbed together and bought him a new set. Hello new spacefriend.

The point I'm trying to illustrate there is that whilst stuff can happen that puts new players off - if they have the right attitude, and the people around them support them, they'll get over it and learn from the experience. If they don't have the capacity to adapt they're effectively just a ragequitter waiting to happen. Also, terrible corps with bad CEOs always find a way to annoy their members; it takes time to find the right one, but once you do, you're set. The reason older players treat ragequitters and NPC corp residents with such disdain is over their attitude. We can't pick everyone up and dust them off when they're mancrying over pixels, they have to learn to do it themselves.

The story is they blew up a ship of a 5 year player...a 5 year player is a noob?

And the fact that he wasn't in the corp makes it more akin to suicide ganking.

The story is not even revenant to the topic.

Would you call them a noob?


So the 5 year Orca pilot that got awoxed wasn't in the corp? How'd he get awoxed then?


That, at least, is true.

Nothing is being removed. The only change discussed was having Concord show up. Someone else who didn't read the minutes spreading misinformation.

Being that the topic is about targeting new players I can only assume you view the 5yr player as the noob.

Still reading, still collecting but not a lot of new in the past few pages.

Marsha, I liked the story but aside from the original free for all most of that could be done without awox possible. Only the original shooting which was a mistake remains.

I have agreed that the loss of intracorp free for alls is something that needs addressing and hope we can in the near future

aside from that? Nope, still think the removal of awox or the arrival of concord or however you want to frame it, is a good thing.

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So why not remove War Dec's then?

Still reading, still collecting but not a lot of new in the past few pages.

Marsha, I liked the story but aside from the original free for all most of that could be done without awox possible. Only the original shooting which was a mistake remains.

I have agreed that the loss of intracorp free for alls is something that needs addressing and hope we can in the near future

aside from that? Nope, still think the removal of awox or the arrival of concord or however you want to frame it, is a good thing.

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So why not remove War Dec's then?

I am sure War Dec's cause a lot more people to stay in NPC Corps and lose more new players then axowing does.

I have never heard of a Corp to fold because of an axower where as according to many people War dec's have and continue to do so.

Don't worry, that's phase two. Phase three is the introduction of concord to low and null, whence war decs will be the only way of fighting a sov war thus reintorducing and fixing war decs simultaneously.

The empires have had enough of your capsuleer bullshit.

So why not remove War Dec's then?

I am sure War Dec's cause a lot more people to stay in NPC Corps and lose more new players then axowing does.

I have never heard of a Corp to fold because of an axower where as according to many people War dec's have and continue to do so.

You can not claim that removing the ability to shoot corp mates without concord intervention will help retain newer players and encourage more people to leave the safety of NPC Corps without admitting that removing war decs would have a much great impact on these two things.

The next generation of players will learn that in highsec, there is no non-consensual combat allowed anymore, unless you give consent by deliberately flagging yourself as a FreeForAll.

They will learn that every aggression needs CONCORD to have prior knowledge about it, else they will strike.

The green button being defaulted to green supports the idea of combat in highsec being a thing that is not liked to be seen. More people will come up with the stupidity of living in pvp zones, aka "If you wanna pvp go to low or null", showing ignorance of what pvp means and that there are no zones to being with. Yet, at least.

No new player will be able to just try and find out if it's fun or profitable to shoot the ass of his corpmate for money, unless he can lure him into a duel in something expensive, which adds a huge amount of complexity to it.

Now people will tell me that wardecs and suicide ganking are non-consensual combat and still there ... but I don't actually agree. If there is no consent with CONCORD, then the potential for aggression will always be crippled. It's crippled already even WITH consent.

Consent, not from the player... but from the system. It still looks like a game that has non-consensual combat everywhere... but if asking CONCORD for allowance isn't "asking for consent" then I hope I just have issues with the language barrier.......

I doubt that CCP doesn't realise the differences in perception.



Well played, CCP.........